KWrite/printer problem

Running Fedora 10, KDE 4.1.2
Printer EPSON C-62 ink-jet, LP0

Hope someone can help me with a problem I just noticed.

When I print a text file of more than one page ,
the last line of each page is missing, as well as the footer.

I have been using KWrite with this printer since RedHat 9 with
no problems.
KWrite and the printer have all default settings.

To test, I created a text file consistig of "This is line: 1","This is line: 2"
etc, for a total of 69 lines.

Fonts are default at Monospace/Regular/10

Initially it would print the default header, and 52 lines (no footer)
on page 1, Page two would start with the header and line 54.
(line 53 missing)

There is nothing in KWrite Settings->'Configure editor' dealing with
margins. If I do Ctrl/P->'Printer Properties', and set top and bottom margins,
the printing is fine but the settings are not retained between printings.

If I go to Administration->printing->printer->properties I can set margins
that are preserved, but the bottom margin is ignored. I set it to 100 points
and the last line (52) is still printed at the bottom of the page and line 53
and footers are missing.

Since Kedit seems to be missing in this release, I have no editor
(except vi and openoffice) to print text files, program listings, etc.
(not convenient).

Really getting bummed with this release of Fedora and KDE.

Thanks for any help,
Regards,
Jim Phelps


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[Bruce MacArthur-2]

On Monday 05 October 2009 03:34:07 pm jim wrote:

> Running Fedora 10, KDE 4.1.2
> Printer EPSON C-62 ink-jet, LP0
>
> Hope someone can help me with a problem I just noticed.
>
> When I print a text file of more than one page ,
> the last line of each page is missing, as well as the footer.
>
> I have been using KWrite with this printer since RedHat 9 with
> no problems.
> KWrite and the printer have all default settings.
>
> To test, I created a text file consistig of "This is line: 1","This is

line: 2"

> etc, for a total of 69 lines.
>
> Fonts are default at Monospace/Regular/10
>
> Initially it would print the default header, and 52 lines (no footer)
> on page 1, Page two would start with the header and line 54.
> (line 53 missing)
>
> There is nothing in KWrite Settings->'Configure editor' dealing with
> margins. If I do Ctrl/P->'Printer Properties', and set top and bottom

margins,
> the printing is fine but the settings are not retained between
printings.
>
> If I go to Administration->printing->printer->properties I can set
margins
> that are preserved, but the bottom margin is ignored. I set it to 100
points
> and the last line (52) is still printed at the bottom of the page and
line 53
> and footers are missing.
>
> Since Kedit seems to be missing in this release, I have no editor
> (except vi and openoffice) to print text files, program listings, etc.
> (not convenient).
Not so (I think!).  You ought to have Kate available -- give it a try!  
I sincerely wish that I could be MORE helpful, but this is my limit on
this particular problem.

>
> Really getting bummed with this release of Fedora and KDE.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Regards,
> Jim Phelps
>
>
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[James Tyrer]

jim wrote:

> Running Fedora 10, KDE 4.1.2
> Printer EPSON C-62 ink-jet, LP0
>
> Hope someone can help me with a problem I just noticed.
>
> When I print a text file of more than one page ,
> the last line of each page is missing, as well as the footer.
>
> I have been using KWrite with this printer since RedHat 9 with
> no problems.
> KWrite and the printer have all default settings.
>
> To test, I created a text file consistig of "This is line: 1","This is line: 2"
> etc, for a total of 69 lines.
>
> Fonts are default at Monospace/Regular/10
>
> Initially it would print the default header, and 52 lines (no footer)
> on page 1, Page two would start with the header and line 54.
> (line 53 missing)
>
> There is nothing in KWrite Settings->'Configure editor' dealing with
> margins. If I do Ctrl/P->'Printer Properties', and set top and bottom margins,
> the printing is fine but the settings are not retained between printings.
>
> If I go to Administration->printing->printer->properties I can set margins
> that are preserved, but the bottom margin is ignored. I set it to 100 points
> and the last line (52) is still printed at the bottom of the page and line 53
> and footers are missing.
>
> Since Kedit seems to be missing in this release, I have no editor
> (except vi and openoffice) to print text files, program listings, etc.
> (not convenient).
>
> Really getting bummed with this release of Fedora and KDE.
>

Do you have the paper size set correctly?

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[Bruce Miller-7]

I have had this problem with every version of KDE 4 since the 4.0 beta. A few months ago, I was able to work around it by setting specific page margins as well as header and footer sizes. However, I noticed the problem again with a kate document which I printed last week.

This glitch affects all applications using the KDE print engine.

Since I use kubuntu, I have filed a bug on the Ubuntu Launchpad. There is a bug on the KDE bugzilla which I have also commented on.

It would be useful if you could look these up and add an "Affects me too" comment.

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No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets.



----- Original Message ----

> From: James Tyrer <jrtyrer@...>
> To: For people using KDE on Linux with related questions/problems <kde-linux@...>
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:53:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [kde-linux] KWrite/printer problem
>
> jim wrote:
> > Running Fedora 10, KDE 4.1.2
> > Printer EPSON C-62 ink-jet, LP0
> >
> > Hope someone can help me with a problem I just noticed.
> >
> > When I print a text file of more than one page ,
> > the last line of each page is missing, as well as the footer.
> >
> > I have been using KWrite with this printer since RedHat 9 with
> > no problems.
> > KWrite and the printer have all default settings.
> >
> > To test, I created a text file consistig of "This is line: 1","This is line:
> 2"
> > etc, for a total of 69 lines.
> >
> > Fonts are default at Monospace/Regular/10
> >
> > Initially it would print the default header, and 52 lines (no footer)
> > on page 1, Page two would start with the header and line 54.
> > (line 53 missing)
> >
> > There is nothing in KWrite Settings->'Configure editor' dealing with
> > margins. If I do Ctrl/P->'Printer Properties', and set top and bottom margins,
>
> > the printing is fine but the settings are not retained between printings.
> >
> > If I go to Administration->printing->printer->properties I can set margins
> > that are preserved, but the bottom margin is ignored. I set it to 100 points
> > and the last line (52) is still printed at the bottom of the page and line 53
> > and footers are missing.
> >
> > Since Kedit seems to be missing in this release, I have no editor
> > (except vi and openoffice) to print text files, program listings, etc.
> > (not convenient).
> >
> > Really getting bummed with this release of Fedora and KDE.
> >
> Do you have the paper size set correctly?
>
> --
> James Tyrer
>
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On Monday 05 October 2009 22:35:42 Bruce MacArthur wrote:
> > Since Kedit seems to be missing in this release, I have no editor
> > (except vi and openoffice) to print text files, program listings, etc.
> > (not convenient).
>
> Not so (I think!).  You ought to have Kate available -- give it a try!  
> I sincerely wish that I could be MORE helpful, but this is my limit on
> this particular problem.
>
Kwrite is the sister application, nearer to kedit.  Kate is the fully-featured
big sister.

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On Tuesday 06 October 2009 03:17:25 Bruce Miller wrote:

> I have had this problem with every version of KDE 4 since the 4.0 beta. A
>  few months ago, I was able to work around it by setting specific page
>  margins as well as header and footer sizes. However, I noticed the problem
>  again with a kate document which I printed last week.
>
> This glitch affects all applications using the KDE print engine.
>
> Since I use kubuntu, I have filed a bug on the Ubuntu Launchpad. There is a
>  bug on the KDE bugzilla which I have also commented on.
>
> It would be useful if you could look these up and add an "Affects me too"
>  comment.
>
>  --
> Bruce Miller, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> bruce@...; [phone]
>
>
> No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of
>  policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
> > From: James Tyrer <jrtyrer@...>
> > To: For people using KDE on Linux with related questions/problems
> > <kde-linux@...> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:53:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kde-linux] KWrite/printer problem
> >
> > jim wrote:
> > > Running Fedora 10, KDE 4.1.2
> > > Printer EPSON C-62 ink-jet, LP0
> > >
> > > Hope someone can help me with a problem I just noticed.
> > >
> > > When I print a text file of more than one page ,
> > > the last line of each page is missing, as well as the footer.
> > >
> > > I have been using KWrite with this printer since RedHat 9 with
> > > no problems.
> > > KWrite and the printer have all default settings.
> > >
> > > To test, I created a text file consistig of "This is line: 1","This is
> > > line:
> >
> > 2"
> >
> > > etc, for a total of 69 lines.
> > >
> > > Fonts are default at Monospace/Regular/10
> > >
> > > Initially it would print the default header, and 52 lines (no footer)
> > > on page 1, Page two would start with the header and line 54.
> > > (line 53 missing)
> > >
> > > There is nothing in KWrite Settings->'Configure editor' dealing with
> > > margins. If I do Ctrl/P->'Printer Properties', and set top and bottom
> > > margins,
> > >
> > > the printing is fine but the settings are not retained between
> > > printings.
> > >
> > > If I go to Administration->printing->printer->properties I can set
> > > margins that are preserved, but the bottom margin is ignored. I set it
> > > to 100 points and the last line (52) is still printed at the bottom of
> > > the page and line 53 and footers are missing.
> > >
> > > Since Kedit seems to be missing in this release, I have no editor
> > > (except vi and openoffice) to print text files, program listings, etc.
> > > (not convenient).
> > >
> > > Really getting bummed with this release of Fedora and KDE.
> >
> > Do you have the paper size set correctly?
>

For instance, if a document thinks it's printing to A4, but the paper size is

set to Letter, you'd see this.  There seems to be several places where
something could interfere.  There are the settings in CUPS, the settings in
some specific vendor software (such as hplip), the settings in the printer
applet (which normally are single-document settings) and the settings in the
document itself.

Don't rely on the printer applet for defaults - it's not designed to do that.  
Check out the CUPS and any vendor-supplied software.  If you can find a mis-
match there that will solve the problem permanently.

Anne
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Reply at bottom of text

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----- Original Message ----

> From: Anne Wilson <cannewilson@...>
> To: For people using KDE on Linux with related questions/problems <kde-linux@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 4:13:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [kde-linux] KWrite/printer problem
>
> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 03:17:25 Bruce Miller wrote:
> > I have had this problem with every version of KDE 4 since the 4.0 beta. A
> >  few months ago, I was able to work around it by setting specific page
> >  margins as well as header and footer sizes. However, I noticed the problem
> >  again with a kate document which I printed last week.
> >
> > This glitch affects all applications using the KDE print engine.
> >
> > Since I use kubuntu, I have filed a bug on the Ubuntu Launchpad. There is a
> >  bug on the KDE bugzilla which I have also commented on.
> >
> > It would be useful if you could look these up and add an "Affects me too"
> >  comment.
> >
> >  --
> > Bruce Miller, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> > bruce@...; [phone]
> >
> >
> > No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of
> >  policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >
> > > From: James Tyrer
> > > To: For people using KDE on Linux with related questions/problems
> > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 7:53:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [kde-linux] KWrite/printer problem
> > >
> > > jim wrote:
> > > > Running Fedora 10, KDE 4.1.2
> > > > Printer EPSON C-62 ink-jet, LP0
> > > >
> > > > Hope someone can help me with a problem I just noticed.
> > > >
> > > > When I print a text file of more than one page ,
> > > > the last line of each page is missing, as well as the footer.
> > > >
> > > > I have been using KWrite with this printer since RedHat 9 with
> > > > no problems.
> > > > KWrite and the printer have all default settings.
> > > >
> > > > To test, I created a text file consistig of "This is line: 1","This is
> > > > line:
> > >
> > > 2"
> > >
> > > > etc, for a total of 69 lines.
> > > >
> > > > Fonts are default at Monospace/Regular/10
> > > >
> > > > Initially it would print the default header, and 52 lines (no footer)
> > > > on page 1, Page two would start with the header and line 54.
> > > > (line 53 missing)
> > > >
> > > > There is nothing in KWrite Settings->'Configure editor' dealing with
> > > > margins. If I do Ctrl/P->'Printer Properties', and set top and bottom
> > > > margins,
> > > >
> > > > the printing is fine but the settings are not retained between
> > > > printings.
> > > >
> > > > If I go to Administration->printing->printer->properties I can set
> > > > margins that are preserved, but the bottom margin is ignored. I set it
> > > > to 100 points and the last line (52) is still printed at the bottom of
> > > > the page and line 53 and footers are missing.
> > > >
> > > > Since Kedit seems to be missing in this release, I have no editor
> > > > (except vi and openoffice) to print text files, program listings, etc.
> > > > (not convenient).
> > > >
> > > > Really getting bummed with this release of Fedora and KDE.
> > >
> > > Do you have the paper size set correctly?
> >
> For instance, if a document thinks it's printing to A4, but the paper size is
> set to Letter, you'd see this.  There seems to be several places where
> something could interfere.  There are the settings in CUPS, the settings in
> some specific vendor software (such as hplip), the settings in the printer
> applet (which normally are single-document settings) and the settings in the
> document itself.
>
> Don't rely on the printer applet for defaults - it's not designed to do that.  
> Check out the CUPS and any vendor-supplied software.  If you can find a mis-
> match there that will solve the problem permanently.

This is a plain-vanilla install of a very plain-vanilla printer --- an old HP LaserJet, to be precise, the model 4L.

There is no vendor-installed software.

CUPS reports that the settings are for North American letter, 8.5 x 11, which is exactly what I am using.

I am *_not_* an IT professional and, above all, I do not *_do code_*. This said, I am analytical by nature and have been troubleshooting userspace computer problems since 1982. This is all to say that I have some experience.

It would not surprise me if a KDE developer in Europe has inadvertently hard-coded somewhere a reference to A4 rather than $user's-papersize$. This is only a hunch but it could readily cause the nature of problem we are facing. I have faced this problem for over two years, and I can remember working around it briefly some months ago, by playing with the KDE printer engine margins and header and footer sizes. The outcome was rather ugly output, but at least nothing was missing.

I will have some more time in a couple of days, and will see if I can recreate the workaround.

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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Bruce Miller wrote:
>I have had this problem with every version of KDE 4 since the 4.0 beta. A few
>months ago, I was able to work around it by setting specific page margins as
>well as header and footer sizes. However, I noticed the problem again with a
>kate document which I printed last week.

>This glitch affects all applications using the KDE print engine.

>Since I use kubuntu, I have filed a bug on the Ubuntu Launchpad. There is a
>bug on the KDE bugzilla which I have also commented on.

>It would be useful if you could look these up and add an "Affects me too"
>comment.

 --
>Bruce Miller, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>bruce@...; [phone]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bruce,
I added a comment to both LaunchPad and KDE Bugzilla.
I noticed several other comments from others who are experiencing
this problem.
Its a MAJOR problem with some basic KDE apps. Anne says try Kate but
apparently it suffers the same problem.
This is a MAJOR problem, I dont understand why more people arnt complaining.
Does nobody care that they are loosing the last 2 lines of every document they
print? Or haven't they noticed it?
Anne seems to imply its some kind of rare, special situation that could be
the cause, but I am using DEFAULT KWrite, US letter paper in a simple
ink-jet printer, and this combination has worked perfectly since RedHat 9.
(KDE 3.1-10), and is working correctly in my other system: Fedora 5,
KDE 3.5.5-0.2.
As Anne suggests, I have tried the CUPS options, but bottom margin is ignored.
Im not using any specific vendor software, just vanilla KWrite.
The printer applet like she says, works but is only single-document,
There are no settings in the test document, its plain ASCII typed into KWrite
and then saved as a plain text file. All KWrite 'Settings' are the defaults.
Cant get anymore simple than that.

What other editors are available if all KDE 4 editors are toast?
I guess a viable option, as others have done, is to go back to KDE 3.X until
KDE 4 gets the basic stuff fixed.

Regards,
Jim Phelps

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On Tuesday 06 October 2009 21:47:09 jim wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Bruce Miller wrote:
> >I have had this problem with every version of KDE 4 since the 4.0 beta. A
> > few months ago, I was able to work around it by setting specific page
> > margins as well as header and footer sizes. However, I noticed the
> > problem again with a kate document which I printed last week.
> >
> >This glitch affects all applications using the KDE print engine.
> >
> >Since I use kubuntu, I have filed a bug on the Ubuntu Launchpad. There is
> > a bug on the KDE bugzilla which I have also commented on.
> >
> >It would be useful if you could look these up and add an "Affects me too"
> >comment.
>
>  --
>
> >Bruce Miller, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> >bruce@...; [phone]
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------- Bruce,
> I added a comment to both LaunchPad and KDE Bugzilla.
> I noticed several other comments from others who are experiencing
> this problem.
> Its a MAJOR problem with some basic KDE apps. Anne says try Kate but
> apparently it suffers the same problem.
> This is a MAJOR problem, I dont understand why more people arnt
>  complaining. Does nobody care that they are loosing the last 2 lines of
>  every document they print? Or haven't they noticed it?
> Anne seems to imply its some kind of rare, special situation that could be
> the cause, but I am using DEFAULT KWrite, US letter paper in a simple
> ink-jet printer, and this combination has worked perfectly since RedHat 9.
> (KDE 3.1-10), and is working correctly in my other system: Fedora 5,
> KDE 3.5.5-0.2.
> As Anne suggests, I have tried the CUPS options, but bottom margin is
>  ignored. Im not using any specific vendor software, just vanilla KWrite.
> The printer applet like she says, works but is only single-document,
> There are no settings in the test document, its plain ASCII typed into
>  KWrite and then saved as a plain text file. All KWrite 'Settings' are the
>  defaults. Cant get anymore simple than that.
>
> What other editors are available if all KDE 4 editors are toast?
> I guess a viable option, as others have done, is to go back to KDE 3.X
>  until KDE 4 gets the basic stuff fixed.
>
> Regards,
> Jim Phelps
>

Excuse me, but I didn't say any of those things.  I pointed out to you several
places to check.  A4 is certainly not hard-coded - it took me quite some time
to find why mine always tried to print to Letter.

You have a margin problem - possibly compounded by non-print areas on your
printer.  Yes, I do remember hearing of the LaserJet 4L - back in the 90s, I
think.  It's very likely that its non-printing area is at least 1/2" on all
sides.

As for the comment about no-one caring about losing lines - that's about as
silly as it can get, and not worthy of a reply.

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jim posted on Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:47:09 -0700 as excerpted:

> This is a MAJOR problem, I dont understand why more people arnt
> complaining. Does nobody care that they are loosing the last 2 lines of
> every document they print? Or haven't they noticed it?

FWIW, it's likely that a lot of folks simply don't have printers, these
days.

I got rid of my ink jet because it wasn't cost effective buying a $30 ink
cartridge to print a few pages every six months or so... then the ink
dries out and either have to hassle trying to get it to work and getting
everything all inky cleaning it, with only perhaps a 50% success rate
anyway, or simply give up and put a new cartridge in before I even hassle
it.

I've been going to get a laser printer some day, but it just never seems
to happen.  I always have other stuff I need more.  And I don't print
that often anyway, and if I do need to print something, I can always
thumb-drive it and take it down to kinko's or something if I really need
it printed.  Yeah, they might charge a decent amount for it, but it's
certainly not more expensive than a new $30 cartridge every half-dozen
pages or whatever.

But mainly, once it's in electronic form, I just keep it in electronic
form until I'm done with it, then delete it.  So I don't have the printer
problems because I don't have a printer.

It's also likely that enough people that /do/ need it working simply try
it and it works well enough after they adjust margins or whatever.

*OR* it's simply one of the many ways KDE4 is still buggy (and I know
enough about that from experience, even without the printing issues), and
they go running back to kde3 or gnome or xfce or whatever, until such
time as kde gets enough bugs worked out to be reasonably usable for real
people that want to get real work done, and aren't interested in running
beta software or whatever, whether it's called that or not.

Think about it.  It'd only be the relatively few for which all the
following is true: (1) kde4 is working well enough for them to be worth
hassling with at all. (2) They're the type of people that even bother to
do bug reports.  (3)  They do some printing, but (4) not so MUCH printing
that the bug is so serious as to trigger a negative on #1.  (There's
probably more...).

So it's not going to hit everyone, and of the ones it does hit,
relatively few of them are going to bother finding a bug and commenting
on it.  Many simply aren't the type, and either it's not a big enough
issue for them to worry about, or it's one of several issues that
together are enough to cause them to dump kde4, hopefully to try it
sometime later after it's more stable, but possibly never to try it again.

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Duncan wrote:

> jim posted on Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:47:09 -0700 as excerpted:
>
>> This is a MAJOR problem, I dont understand why more people arnt
>> complaining. Does nobody care that they are loosing the last 2 lines of
>> every document they print? Or haven't they noticed it?
>
> FWIW, it's likely that a lot of folks simply don't have printers, these
> days.
>
> I got rid of my ink jet because it wasn't cost effective buying a $30 ink
> cartridge to print a few pages every six months or so... then the ink
> dries out and either have to hassle trying to get it to work and getting
> everything all inky cleaning it, with only perhaps a 50% success rate
> anyway, or simply give up and put a new cartridge in before I even hassle
> it.
>
> I've been going to get a laser printer some day, but it just never seems
> to happen.  I always have other stuff I need more.  And I don't print
> that often anyway, and if I do need to print something, I can always
> thumb-drive it and take it down to kinko's or something if I really need
> it printed.  Yeah, they might charge a decent amount for it, but it's
> certainly not more expensive than a new $30 cartridge every half-dozen
> pages or whatever.

I have a Canon inkjet photo printer and an HP LJ4012 laser. They're our
2nd inkjet and 3rd laser. Printing photos here at home is much more
convenient, faster and cheaper than printing via Kinkos or other such
places. And lasers are still champs when it comes to volume printing
(like book manuscripts).

The nice thing about even cheap lasers is cartridges can sit there for
years. You might not ever even need to buy another cartridge.

Perhaps we print more than you do. ;-)

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[John Layt-2]

I've checked the KatePrinter code, it's very complex but does appear to get
the page dimensions from the currently selected printer and nowhere else.  I'm
not willing to touch the code as I don't understand it.

FWIW I am not losing lines here with my printer and page size combination, and
while I haven't exactly been following Kate bugs I haven't heard anything
about lines going missing either.  I suspect none of the developers have a
combination that shows this problem, nor I suspect do most peoples printers.

John.
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:10:21 +0100 Anne Wilson wrote:

>As for the comment about no-one caring about losing lines - that's about as
>silly as it can get, and not worthy of a reply.

Maybe not, can you do me a favour? Compose a text file similar to
''Line 1"<CR>, "Line 2"<CR>, etc. for a total of approximately 70 lines. Save
it and then load it into KWrite and print it. The type of printer
should not matter. Let me know if all the lines and headers/footers
are printed correctly.

Thanks,
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On Wednesday 07 October 2009 11:59:51 jim wrote:
> Compose a text file similar to
> ''Line 1"<CR>, "Line 2"<CR>, etc. for a total of approximately 70 lines.

Script to generate test file:
i=1; while [ $i -le 70 ]; do printf 'Line %2d\n' $i; i=$((i + 1)); done

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[Steven Friedrich]

On Wednesday 07 October 2009 12:59:51 jim wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:10:21 +0100 Anne Wilson wrote:
> >As for the comment about no-one caring about losing lines - that's about
> > as silly as it can get, and not worthy of a reply.
>
> Maybe not, can you do me a favour? Compose a text file similar to
> ''Line 1"<CR>, "Line 2"<CR>, etc. for a total of approximately 70 lines.
>  Save it and then load it into KWrite and print it. The type of printer
> should not matter. Let me know if all the lines and headers/footers
> are printed correctly.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Phelps

I did exactly that.  I have a Brother HL-6050DN, which is a laser on my
network, i.e., I get to it via an IP adx, not USB or parallel port.  I believe
it also has a USB port, so I could try that config if desired.

I lost lines because KWrite and Kate don't currently get the margins from this
printer. It looked like .25 inch on each margin would fix it, and it did, but
it doesn't (Kate and KWrite) save the margins between print jobs.

So I believe the most important "bug" is that these apps need to save margins.
The next most important bug is that these apps should be able to query the
printer driver for these margins.

If other people are able to retrieve printer margins from the driver, then
perhaps I should test mine hooked up via USB. Using CUPS and IPP suits my
situation best, though.

BTW, I'm running KDE4.3.1 on FreeBSD 7.2p4.
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On Wednesday 07 October 2009 17:59:51 jim wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:10:21 +0100 Anne Wilson wrote:
> >As for the comment about no-one caring about losing lines - that's about
> > as silly as it can get, and not worthy of a reply.
>
> Maybe not, can you do me a favour? Compose a text file similar to
> ''Line 1"<CR>, "Line 2"<CR>, etc. for a total of approximately 70 lines.
>  Save it and then load it into KWrite and print it. The type of printer
> should not matter. Let me know if all the lines and headers/footers
> are printed correctly.
>

I ran the script supplied by Boyd Stephen Smith, then pasted it into

OpenOffice Writer.  Later I pasted it into KWrite.  On both occasions I
printed to an HP Deskjet 990CXi with duplexer.  On both of those printouts
there were no missing lines.

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[Steven Friedrich]

On Tuesday 06 October 2009 17:10:21 Anne Wilson wrote:
> A4 is certainly not hard-coded - it took me quite some time
> to find why mine always tried to print to Letter.

Where did you set paper size?
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On Wednesday 07 October 2009 20:02:39 Steven Friedrich wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 October 2009 17:10:21 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > A4 is certainly not hard-coded - it took me quite some time
> > to find why mine always tried to print to Letter.
>
> Where did you set paper size?

To be honest, it's some time since, so I couldn't say with accuracy.  In my
thrashing around I probably set it in cups, hp-setup and the kde printer
applet.  The one that matters would have been one of the first two (maybe even
both?).  The printer applet is for adjusting settings for a particular job.  
It doesn't affect any later jobs - it's not intended to set defaults.  HTH
 
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[Steven Friedrich]

On Wednesday 07 October 2009 12:59:51 jim wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:10:21 +0100 Anne Wilson wrote:
> >As for the comment about no-one caring about losing lines - that's about
> > as silly as it can get, and not worthy of a reply.
>
> Maybe not, can you do me a favour? Compose a text file similar to
> ''Line 1"<CR>, "Line 2"<CR>, etc. for a total of approximately 70 lines.
>  Save it and then load it into KWrite and print it. The type of printer
> should not matter. Let me know if all the lines and headers/footers
> are printed correctly.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Phelps

I had an issue with CUPS, but I resolved that.

So then I had time to check kde3 vs kde4.

Under KDE4, when I print the file without headers and footers, no lines are
missing, but when I print it with a header and no footer, the header causes
lines to extend into the bottom margin and there is no header on the second
page. Line 56 is missing and Line 57 is in the top margin of page 2.

KDE3 worked correctly, that is, it printed the header, recognizing the top
margin, then printed the body lines 1-54, a blank line(this might be a bug),
and then the footer, respecting the bottom margin.

In short, it appears than when headers or footers are used under kde4, their
size doesn't get subtracted from the page when it calculates the room for the
body.
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----- Original Message ----

> From: Steven Friedrich <freebsd@...>
> To: kde-linux@...
> Cc: jim <jimtrish@...>
> Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 10:40:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [kde-linux] KWrite/printer problem
>
> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 12:59:51 jim wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:10:21 +0100 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > >As for the comment about no-one caring about losing lines - that's about
> > > as silly as it can get, and not worthy of a reply.
> >
> > Maybe not, can you do me a favour? Compose a text file similar to
> > ''Line 1", "Line 2", etc. for a total of approximately 70 lines.
> >  Save it and then load it into KWrite and print it. The type of printer
> > should not matter. Let me know if all the lines and headers/footers
> > are printed correctly.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jim Phelps
>
> I had an issue with CUPS, but I resolved that.
>
> So then I had time to check kde3 vs kde4.
>
> Under KDE4, when I print the file without headers and footers, no lines are
> missing, but when I print it with a header and no footer, the header causes
> lines to extend into the bottom margin and there is no header on the second
> page. Line 56 is missing and Line 57 is in the top margin of page 2.
>
> KDE3 worked correctly, that is, it printed the header, recognizing the top
> margin, then printed the body lines 1-54, a blank line(this might be a bug),
> and then the footer, respecting the bottom margin.
>
> In short, it appears than when headers or footers are used under kde4, their
> size doesn't get subtracted from the page when it calculates the room for the
> body.

This note updates my earlier contribution to this thread.

Late this evening, I checked the default printer settings under Kubuntu's "System Settings." This is Kubuntu's substitute for the KDE Control Centre. The default printer margins were set to the traditional maximum imageable area for HP LaserJets (at least for the older ones; I am less familiar with the most modern ones). This is 0.5" (12.7mm) top and bottom and 0.25" (6.4mm) left and right. I altered these to slightly larger margins all round.

I then tried starting Konqueror and printing two text documents from Wikipedia; I used the "printer-friendly" versions of both articles.

Several observations:
1. the Printer Properties dialogue in the KDE print engine (at least when Konqueror called it) did not respect the default margins which I had just changed.
2. the units of measure for the margins default to metric, rather than to the user's system default. I was raised to be "bilingual" (bisystemic?) between Imperial and SI measure , but for some, that might be a bother. Were I outside North America, I would use SI, including SI paper sizes. But here in North America, we use distinctive paper sizes and Imperial measure (or at least that's what we call it north of the Canada / US border and we have bigger gallons than they do, which only goes to prove that not everything in the USA is the biggest in the world <grin>).
3. printing with the current KDE printer engine is still an all-or-nothing proposition. There is no way to define a print range. This would be a real bore if one wanted to print, say, only one page out of a 100-page document.
4. There is no way to customize a Konqueror print header. It is hard-coded.
5. Don't bother looking for footers in Konqueror. They don't exist.
6. My two texts, one quite long, printed without error. Konqueror always broke the page at the end of a paragraph. I checked all 15 pages of output carefully: there was no missing text.
7. However, a long table caused a train wreck. In the document http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RAID&printable=yes there is a long table which begins on page 3. This table did not print on page 3; it was superimposed (subimposed?) on page 4. This was not a paper jam, it was a rendering engine failure.

Conclusions:
1. The lateness of the hour here in eastern Canada (and the length of my day) did not allow me to test Konqueror in a plain vanilla form, that is, without changing any of its default margins. However, after a change to the margins, documents printed without text being lost at the page breaks. This was the problem that has driven me crazy for the last two years and which led another user to start this thread.
2. The problem rendering the table (point 7 above) suggests that the KDE print engine still needs considerable work.
3. The lack of a function for printing only a part of, rather than an entire, document is an important hole in KDE's overall functionality
4. It is my personal judgement --- others will obviously have different perspectives --- that the persistent problems with printing in KDE4 are the most important outstanding regression in end-user usefulness from KDE3.5 to KDE4. kprinter used to be a gem of KDE. I have read that it was becoming beastly to maintain, but it remains a shame to have lost it. I need to put on an asbestos suit to say this, but in my view, the best currently available printer control software that I know of is FinePrint and it is (gasp!) commercial software for Windows.
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