Kitty status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "April2012" by AlessandroNovarini)

[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

Thanks for the report, Kitty!

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Apache Wiki <wikidiffs@...> wrote:
> + In order to get graduated, Kitty needs the following features:
> + 1) The ability to save profiles of commonly connected to jmx servers including groups of tomcat servers
> + 2) The ability to collect metrics on an aggregate group of JMX servers

Note that neither of these is a graduation issue from the Incubator
perspective. What we're interested in is whether the community is
diverse and active, whether any IP issues have been cleared, and
whether the community follows the Apache way and our policies.

> + The community hasn't grown since the last report.

Do you have plans on how to grow the community, or are you happy with
the status quo? After 1.5 years in incubation I'd love to see Kitty
having a clear plan towards graduation. Could you come up with
something like that for your next report?

How active and diverse is the current community? From your report it
sounds like more project activity is needed.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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[Jukka Zitting]

Hi kitty-dev@,

[cc general@]

The IPMC is still waiting for the July report from Kitty.

Looking at the mailing list archive the only recent activity I see
discussion about possible retirement and a related vote that was just
started.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Apache Wiki <wikidiffs@...> wrote:
>> + The community hasn't grown since the last report.
>
> Do you have plans on how to grow the community, or are you happy with
> the status quo? After 1.5 years in incubation I'd love to see Kitty
> having a clear plan towards graduation. Could you come up with
> something like that for your next report?

Without such a plan in place, and until there's at least some concrete
progress towards one, I can unfortunately only recommend that you move
forward with retiring the project.

I notice some people opposed the idea of retirement. That seems
promising - people still care about the project. But please follow up
with some concrete activity to justify the continued existence of the
project. A good starting point would be the mentioned report for July
(I can still fit it into the main Incubator report if it's in by
tomorrow evening) together with some concrete ideas on how the project
could be revived.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@...> wrote:
> The IPMC is still waiting for the July report from Kitty.

FYI, I'm including the following note about Kitty in this month's report:

<report>
Kitty is a lightweight, production focused, Java-based application server
performance diagnostic and management utility. Kitty entered incubation on
October 3rd, 2010.

A vote to retire the Kitty podling due to inactivity is in progress.
</report>

If you decide *not* to retire, please report next month on the outcome
of the vote and your plans going forward. Otherwise see the retirement
guide in http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html.

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@...> wrote:

> FYI, I'm including the following note about Kitty in this month's report:
>
> <report>
> Kitty is a lightweight, production focused, Java-based application server
> performance diagnostic and management utility. Kitty entered incubation on
> October 3rd, 2010.
>
> A vote to retire the Kitty podling due to inactivity is in progress.
> </report>
>
> If you decide *not* to retire, please report next month on the outcome
> of the vote and your plans going forward. Otherwise see the retirement
> guide in http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html.

I notice that the vote on retirement failed to reach consensus [1].

Since it looks like there has been zero activity in Kitty since the
vote and the requested followup report was not made, I think the IPMC
should take over and decide to retire the project.

[1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-kitty-dev/201208.mbox/%3C9EBAC2D2-568F-4653-8D2B-5BE926A369B1%40gmail.com%3E

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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[Ted Dunning]

According to the mailing list, there hasn't been any coding activity for a
very long time.  Just about the only topic lately is about whether the
project is retirement fodder.  And even that can't get many people involved.

The only objection to retirement seems to be anxiety about whether a
retired project can be forked.  If the objector were to understand that any
Apache project can be forked at any time, it seems that there would be no
objection to retirement left.

Perhaps the kitty community can replay the vote with a definitive outcome.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@...>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@...>
> wrote:
> > FYI, I'm including the following note about Kitty in this month's report:
> >
> > <report>
> > Kitty is a lightweight, production focused, Java-based application server
> > performance diagnostic and management utility. Kitty entered incubation
> on
> > October 3rd, 2010.
> >
> > A vote to retire the Kitty podling due to inactivity is in progress.
> > </report>
> >
> > If you decide *not* to retire, please report next month on the outcome
> > of the vote and your plans going forward. Otherwise see the retirement
> > guide in http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html.
>
> I notice that the vote on retirement failed to reach consensus [1].
>
> Since it looks like there has been zero activity in Kitty since the
> vote and the requested followup report was not made, I think the IPMC
> should take over and decide to retire the project.
>
> [1]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-kitty-dev/201208.mbox/%3C9EBAC2D2-568F-4653-8D2B-5BE926A369B1%40gmail.com%3E
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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[Jukka Zitting]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@...> wrote:
> Perhaps the kitty community can replay the vote with a definitive outcome.

With no reaction within a week and no report since April, I think it's
safe to say that the community is no longer active and should be
retired. It doesn't look like the community has enough energy left to
do that by itself.

Kevan, since you ran the community vote on retirement, would you mind
repeating the vote on general@ for the IPMC?

BR,

Jukka Zitting

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[Dave Fisher-5]

It looks like the VOTE thread is +3 for retirement. And has digressed into what will happen with the code.

Would someone care to call the RESULT, or should the IPMC declare it done and proceed with retirement?

Regards,
Dave

On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@...> wrote:
>> Perhaps the kitty community can replay the vote with a definitive outcome.
>
> With no reaction within a week and no report since April, I think it's
> safe to say that the community is no longer active and should be
> retired. It doesn't look like the community has enough energy left to
> do that by itself.
>
> Kevan, since you ran the community vote on retirement, would you mind
> repeating the vote on general@ for the IPMC?
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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[Matthew Sacks-2]

IPMC since it was suggested by Jimjag.
 
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It looks like the VOTE thread is +3 for retirement. And has digressed into what will happen with the code.

Would someone care to call the RESULT, or should the IPMC declare it done and proceed with retirement?

Regards,
Dave

On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@...> wrote:
>> Perhaps the kitty community can replay the vote with a definitive outcome.
>
> With no reaction within a week and no report since April, I think it's
> safe to say that the community is no longer active and should be
> retired. It doesn't look like the community has enough energy left to
> do that by itself.
>
> Kevan, since you ran the community vote on retirement, would you mind
> repeating the vote on general@ for the IPMC?
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
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