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[Billie Erin Walsh]

I upgraded over night. This morning Quanta was gone. Installing removes
KDEwebdev. We will see what happens.

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[Billie Erin Walsh]

Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
> I upgraded over night. This morning Quanta was gone. Installing removes
> KDEwebdev. We will see what happens.
>
>  
Hit send a bit to soon. Sorry.

Well, I guess this upgrade broke it. Get these messages when starting up:

Some applications required for full functionality are missing:

- KXSLDbg [http://xsldbg.sourceforge.net/] - XSLT debugging will not be
available;
- KImageMapEditor [http://www.nongnu.org/kimagemap/] - editing HTML
image maps will not be available;
- Cervisia [http://www.kde.org/apps/cervisia] - CVS management plugin
will not be available.

All those are installed but obviously in the wrong places for Quanta to
find.  Up till now only Cervisia was missing. Everything else still
worked. I sure hope they get this mess straightened out soon. KompoZer
works but not as well as Quanta. The only other option as far as I'm
concerned is my old Windows 95 editor, HTMLed in Wine.

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[Werner Joss]

Am Friday 30 October 2009 14:39:58 schrieb Billie Erin Walsh:
> I upgraded over night. This morning Quanta was gone. Installing removes
> KDEwebdev. We will see what happens.

that is quite normal.
kubuntu did a very bad job w.r. to quanta:
the so called 'kdewebdev' package in kubuntu only consists of kde4 versions of
kfilereplace+klinkstatus.
they'd better dropped that altogether and provided a complete kde3 kdewebdev
package (including quanta, kommander, io-slaves...) instead.

which is one of the reasons for me (but 1st of all the fact that kde4 is a
ressource hog which turned all my computers to slugs) to switch over to
debian lenny, which (still) has decent kde3 support.

werner

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[Billie Erin Walsh]

Werner Joss wrote:

> Am Friday 30 October 2009 14:39:58 schrieb Billie Erin Walsh:
>  
>> I upgraded over night. This morning Quanta was gone. Installing removes
>> KDEwebdev. We will see what happens.
>>    
>
> that is quite normal.
> kubuntu did a very bad job w.r. to quanta:
> the so called 'kdewebdev' package in kubuntu only consists of kde4 versions of
> kfilereplace+klinkstatus.
> they'd better dropped that altogether and provided a complete kde3 kdewebdev
> package (including quanta, kommander, io-slaves...) instead.
>
> which is one of the reasons for me (but 1st of all the fact that kde4 is a
> ressource hog which turned all my computers to slugs) to switch over to
> debian lenny, which (still) has decent kde3 support.
>
> werner

I'm quite sure there are apps that are more important for some, like
networking and server type stuff, but you would think in this internet
oriented world that web development tools would be very close to the top
of the list. Treating web development as a red headed step child in this
day and age is in-excusable.

I don't have a problem with KDE 4.x being a resource hog or slowing down
my computer. My computer isn't all that "super machine". It "is" a dual
core 64 bit 3gig processor with 1.5 gigs memory about four years old. I
don't use all that "widget stuff" though. Just the bare minimum. When
you see a clear desktop there is nothing there but the wall paper. Quite
a bit of the time I have seven or eight apps open all the time,
scattered around different desktops, with no problem.

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[Marbux]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Billie Erin Walsh <bilwalsh@...> wrote:

> All those are installed but obviously in the wrong places for Quanta to
> find.

Have you tried creating symlinks from the locations that Quanta
expects them to be in to the installed binaries' actual locations?

Best regards,

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[Marc-26]

Hi,
i'm on jaunty, i'm going to change to karmic. And i keep kde3 for
quanta and other things. I' m very happy going on working on kde3 :

https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty

2009/10/30 marbux <marbux@...>:

> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Billie Erin Walsh <bilwalsh@...> wrote:
>
>> All those are installed but obviously in the wrong places for Quanta to
>> find.
>
> Have you tried creating symlinks from the locations that Quanta
> expects them to be in to the installed binaries' actual locations?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul
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[Marbux]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM, therebel <therebel22@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> i'm on jaunty, i'm going to change to karmic. And i keep kde3 for
> quanta and other things. I' m very happy going on working on kde3 :
>
> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty

That's interesting to me. But note the known issue on karmic for RC 1,
<https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic>:

"When using the RC1 disks on certain hardware (VirtualBox is one of
the problem platforms), X refuses to start, as it cannot find the
VirtualBox graphical driver. X should not even be attempting to load
that driver; this issue needs to be investigated."

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[Billie Erin Walsh]

marbux wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Billie Erin Walsh <bilwalsh@...> wrote:
>
>  
>> All those are installed but obviously in the wrong places for Quanta to
>> find.
>>    
>
> Have you tried creating symlinks from the locations that Quanta
> expects them to be in to the installed binaries' actual locations?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pau

I've heard of Symlinks but have no idea what one is or where they would
go. I'm not even sure Quanta 3.x would work with KDE 4.x apps.

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[Marbux]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Billie Erin Walsh <bilwalsh@...> wrote:

> I've heard of Symlinks but have no idea what one is or where they would
> go. I'm not even sure Quanta 3.x would work with KDE 4.x apps.

Wikipedia has a lucid explanation of what they are.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symlink>. From a console enter:

   man sl

for options, (where "sl" is lower case "SL" as in "symlink".

Quanta 3.x works kinda-sorta on KDE 4, although I haven't bothered
with trying to fix the issues you mention that I also experienced. For
me, the fact that the Quanta HTML Tidy results editing screen is too
tiny to read or edit anything was a showstopper on KDE 4 for me. .

There may be other issues as well.

Best r gards,

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[Alan Richmond]

On Friday 30 October 2009 13:26:57 marbux wrote:
> Quanta 3.x works kinda-sorta on KDE 4, although I haven't bothered
> with trying to fix the issues you mention that I also experienced. For
> me, the fact that the Quanta HTML Tidy results editing screen is too
> tiny to read or edit anything was a showstopper on KDE 4 for me. .
>
> There may be other issues as well.

I just upgraded from 3.5.10 to 4.3.1 last week on Gentoo and haven't had any
issues with Quanta at all.  (Well, it did take me WAY to long to find the "Q+"
icon to add it to the KDE4 menu.)  HTML Tidy results works like always, too.  
Maybe because it's a parallel install.


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[Marbux]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Alan Richmond <alan@...> wrote:

> On Friday 30 October 2009 13:26:57 marbux wrote:
>> Quanta 3.x works kinda-sorta on KDE 4, although I haven't bothered
>> with trying to fix the issues you mention that I also experienced. For
>> me, the fact that the Quanta HTML Tidy results editing screen is too
>> tiny to read or edit anything was a showstopper on KDE 4 for me. .
>>
>> There may be other issues as well.
>
> I just upgraded from 3.5.10 to 4.3.1 last week on Gentoo and haven't had any
> issues with Quanta at all.  (Well, it did take me WAY to long to find the "Q+"
> icon to add it to the KDE4 menu.)  HTML Tidy results works like always, too.
> Maybe because it's a parallel install.

Might be a screen resolution difference too.

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[Steve Szmidt]

On Friday 30 October 2009 17:08:13 Alan Richmond wrote:

> On Friday 30 October 2009 13:26:57 marbux wrote:
> > Quanta 3.x works kinda-sorta on KDE 4, although I haven't bothered
> > with trying to fix the issues you mention that I also experienced. For
> > me, the fact that the Quanta HTML Tidy results editing screen is too
> > tiny to read or edit anything was a showstopper on KDE 4 for me. .
> >
> > There may be other issues as well.
>
> I just upgraded from 3.5.10 to 4.3.1 last week on Gentoo and haven't had
>  any issues with Quanta at all.  (Well, it did take me WAY to long to find
>  the "Q+" icon to add it to the KDE4 menu.)  HTML Tidy results works like
>  always, too. Maybe because it's a parallel install.

It's working fine under Fedora 12 and KDE.


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[Keith Isdale]

Hi Billie,

On Friday 30 October 2009 11:49:10 pm Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

> Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
> > I upgraded over night. This morning Quanta was gone. Installing removes
> > KDEwebdev. We will see what happens.
>
> Hit send a bit to soon. Sorry.
>
> Well, I guess this upgrade broke it. Get these messages when starting up:
>
> Some applications required for full functionality are missing:
>
> - KXSLDbg [http://xsldbg.sourceforge.net/] - XSLT debugging will not be
> available;

My understanding from reading this email thread that the missing  KXSLDbg
issue has been resolved via installing additional packages, is that correct?

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Hi

Quanta + KDE4 works completely well, you just have to remember that Quanta is a KDE3 app and to install Qt3 libraries etc (aptitude search libqt3 for starters on the shell). There is a dependency issue as as been mentioned but you can get around that by installing the KDE3 versions of the dependencies. KDE4 has been around since Jan 2008 so you can't really blame the distro or KDE4 in itself as the problem if they decide to leave non-updated KDE3 apps behind (I think Quanta and the nearly-ready K3b are the only major ones left ?) I've had hoth KDE3.5 and KDE4 running on the same laptop and the resource usage is about the same. I have KDE4 running on a 6yr old with 1G RAM and a 64M nvidia card - startup in karmic actually got faster as has the desktop. I'd never go back.

Personally, I think the move to get Quanta4 going as a web oriented version of Kdevelop4 is a great idea as it doesn't mean reinventing the wheel. The benefits of using Qt4 Webkit should be seen as a good example for doing this (think previews)

The KDE developers have made it pretty clear that KDE3.5 will still be around if you want to use it -- you just have to find a distro that will support it. For me, I see KDE4 as a huge improvement both technically and in the UI/desktop. The ability to easily script widgets for the desktop is something web developers should be very excited about.

For those experiencing load/CPU issues, a good first step is to work out what's actually causing it. For starters, install the CPU widget on the desktop and watch as you turn Desktop Effects off (if you don't need them, turn them off) or shut-down programs. As an example, I had a churning CPU through KDE4.3 which turned out to be the Magic Lamp/Minimise effects, for which there is a bug report on bugs.kde.org. I read it, turned them off and bingo.

My biggest complaint is the seeming lack of resources in Ubuntu to investigate and fix Kubuntu bugs. Karmic seems to the first release where KDE4 has actually gotten some energy behind it (whether from Canonical or elsewhere, I don't know).

HTH
James

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:13 AM, marbux <marbux@...> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Alan Richmond <alan@...> wrote:
> On Friday 30 October 2009 13:26:57 marbux wrote:
>> Quanta 3.x works kinda-sorta on KDE 4, although I haven't bothered
>> with trying to fix the issues you mention that I also experienced. For
>> me, the fact that the Quanta HTML Tidy results editing screen is too
>> tiny to read or edit anything was a showstopper on KDE 4 for me. .
>>
>> There may be other issues as well.
>
> I just upgraded from 3.5.10 to 4.3.1 last week on Gentoo and haven't had any
> issues with Quanta at all.  (Well, it did take me WAY to long to find the "Q+"
> icon to add it to the KDE4 menu.)  HTML Tidy results works like always, too.
> Maybe because it's a parallel install.

Might be a screen resolution difference too.

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[Billie Erin Walsh]

James Ellis wrote:

> Hi
>
> Quanta + KDE4 works completely well, you just have to remember that
> Quanta is a KDE3 app and to install Qt3 libraries etc (aptitude search
> libqt3 for starters on the shell). There is a dependency issue as as
> been mentioned but you can get around that by installing the KDE3
> versions of the dependencies. KDE4 has been around since Jan 2008 so
> you can't really blame the distro or KDE4 in itself as the problem if
> they decide to leave non-updated KDE3 apps behind (I think Quanta and
> the nearly-ready K3b are the only major ones left ?) I've had hoth
> KDE3.5 and KDE4 running on the same laptop and the resource usage is
> about the same. I have KDE4 running on a 6yr old with 1G RAM and a 64M
> nvidia card - startup in karmic actually got faster as has the
> desktop. I'd never go back.

 From what I've seem your right. Installing QT/KDE 3 stuff is the patch.

Next question is how is that accomplished? I have Kwebdev 3.x but can't
figure out how to install it.The DEB won't install. Following the
instructions for the tar.gz/source(?) don't work.

>
> Personally, I think the move to get Quanta4 going as a web oriented
> version of Kdevelop4 is a great idea as it doesn't mean reinventing
> the wheel. The benefits of using Qt4 Webkit should be seen as a good
> example for doing this (think previews)

Hope it doesn't screw it straight into the ground with to much.

>
> The KDE developers have made it pretty clear that KDE3.5 will still be
> around if you want to use it -- you just have to find a distro that
> will support it. For me, I see KDE4 as a huge improvement both
> technically and in the UI/desktop. The ability to easily script
> widgets for the desktop is something web developers should be very
> excited about.
>
> For those experiencing load/CPU issues, a good first step is to work
> out what's actually causing it. For starters, install the CPU widget
> on the desktop and watch as you turn Desktop Effects off (if you don't
> need them, turn them off) or shut-down programs. As an example, I had
> a churning CPU through KDE4.3 which turned out to be the Magic
> Lamp/Minimise effects, for which there is a bug report on bugs.kde.org
> <http://bugs.kde.org>. I read it, turned them off and bingo.
>
> My biggest complaint is the seeming lack of resources in Ubuntu to
> investigate and fix Kubuntu bugs. Karmic seems to the first release
> where KDE4 has actually gotten some energy behind it (whether from
> Canonical or elsewhere, I don't know).
>
> HTH
> James
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:13 AM, marbux <marbux@...
> <mailto:marbux@...>> wrote:
>
>     On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Alan Richmond
>     <alan@... <mailto:alan@...>> wrote:
>     > On Friday 30 October 2009 13:26:57 marbux wrote:
>     >> Quanta 3.x works kinda-sorta on KDE 4, although I haven't bothered
>     >> with trying to fix the issues you mention that I also
>     experienced. For
>     >> me, the fact that the Quanta HTML Tidy results editing screen
>     is too
>     >> tiny to read or edit anything was a showstopper on KDE 4 for me. .
>     >>
>     >> There may be other issues as well.
>     >
>     > I just upgraded from 3.5.10 to 4.3.1 last week on Gentoo and
>     haven't had any
>     > issues with Quanta at all.  (Well, it did take me WAY to long to
>     find the "Q+"
>     > icon to add it to the KDE4 menu.)  HTML Tidy results works like
>     always, too.
>     > Maybe because it's a parallel install.
>
>     Might be a screen resolution difference too.
>
>     Paul
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[Marbux]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM, James Ellis <james.ellis@...> wrote:

> Quanta + KDE4 works completely well, you just have to remember that Quanta
> is a KDE3 app and to install Qt3 libraries etc (aptitude search libqt3 for
> starters on the shell).

This might be my showstopper Quanta issue on KDE 4.3 if the 3.5x
dependencies aren't in the Ubuntu Main repository for Ubuntu 9.04. But
see below.

> Personally, I think the move to get Quanta4 going as a web oriented version
> of Kdevelop4 is a great idea as it doesn't mean reinventing the wheel. The
> benefits of using Qt4 Webkit should be seen as a good example for doing this
> (think previews)

Webkit is going to be great if the ports ever get synchronized. But
they aren't, so different ports produce different results. We need a
Webkit standard.

> The KDE developers have made it pretty clear that KDE3.5 will still be
> around if you want to use it -- you just have to find a distro that will
> support it.

And that will support the other software that you need. I'll hazard a
guess that keeping all of the above running on the same distro runs
into issues at some faily near point in the future as other apps
update. I take it that development on Quanta 3.x is at or near the
end?

For me, I see KDE4 as a huge improvement both technically and in
> the UI/desktop.

I was about 20 pages into a rant in response, but thought better of
it. If you love it, use it, but there's a snowball's chance in Hell of
me coming around to your opinion. :-) I've already made my decision;
this user isn't riding along with KDE 4.

May you enjoy your journey.

Best regards,

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[Nico Meijer]

Hey everyone,

> It's working fine under Fedora 12 and KDE.

As is Xubuntu 9.10. The things that gets me personally, is the lack of
support for SFTP. That's my killer and the reason to switch to
NetBeans for the time being.

I haven't had any luck yet building the damn thing by source and no
time to really figure it out.

Oh well, I'll get it to work somewhere in 2010. ;-)

Be well... Nico
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