L1 mini iso

[Philip Charles]

I should be able to upload the L1 mini iso to debian-ports in about 24
hours.

Two questions re configuration.

1.  Does entropy still have to be copied to /dev/urandom ?
2.  Configuring the network
        ten days ago "settrans -fgap /servers/socket/2 /hurd/pfinet -i eth0 \
                                        -a 192.168.1.10 -g 192.168.1.4 -m 255.255.255.0 -4"
        worked nicely, now it is broken. "pfinet --usage" says that it should be
   "-4 NAME"  What is NAME?  Or am I off track?
        I will also have to look at /etc/network/interfaces

I am not checking the documentation for X11 at this stage.

Phil.

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[Samuel Thibault-8]

Hello,

Philip Charles, le Mon 12 Oct 2009 23:52:32 +1300, a écrit :
> I should be able to upload the L1 mini iso to debian-ports in about 24
> hours.

Cool!
Maybe you have noticed that I have uploaded a hurd package that fixes
the bashism issue in MAKEDEV.

> 1.  Does entropy still have to be copied to /dev/urandom ?

Or use the random-egd package.

> 2.  Configuring the network
> ten days ago "settrans -fgap /servers/socket/2 /hurd/pfinet -i eth0 \
> -a 192.168.1.10 -g 192.168.1.4 -m 255.255.255.0 -4"
> worked nicely, now it is broken. "pfinet --usage" says that it should be
>    "-4 NAME"  What is NAME?  Or am I off track?
> I will also have to look at /etc/network/interfaces

I simply do not use the -4 option and it works. I guess NAME should be
/servers/socket/2 and if you wanted to enable ipv6 at the same time, add
-6 /servers/socket/26

> I am not checking the documentation for X11 at this stage.

X11 should work atm in principle.

Samuel


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[Philip Charles]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Philip Charles, le Mon 12 Oct 2009 23:52:32 +1300, a écrit :
> > I should be able to upload the L1 mini iso to debian-ports in about
> > 24 hours.
>
> Cool!
> Maybe you have noticed that I have uploaded a hurd package that fixes
> the bashism issue in MAKEDEV.

Got it this morning.
>
> > 1.  Does entropy still have to be copied to /dev/urandom ?
>
> Or use the random-egd package.

Will try it out in the tarball

>
> > 2.  Configuring the network
> > ten days ago "settrans -fgap /servers/socket/2 /hurd/pfinet -i eth0
> > \ -a 192.168.1.10 -g 192.168.1.4 -m 255.255.255.0 -4"
> > worked nicely, now it is broken. "pfinet --usage" says that it
> > should be "-4 NAME"  What is NAME?  Or am I off track?
> > I will also have to look at /etc/network/interfaces
>
> I simply do not use the -4 option and it works. I guess NAME should be
> /servers/socket/2 and if you wanted to enable ipv6 at the same time,
>  add -6 /servers/socket/26

I suspect that this is broken.  A show stopper.
>
> > I am not checking the documentation for X11 at this stage.
>
> X11 should work atm in principle.

At the moment the system will not reboot.
libexec/rc wants /sbin/fsck which does not exist.  But /sbin/fsck.ext2 etc
do.
Another show stopper.

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[Thomas Schwinge-6]

Hello!

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 08:50:58PM +1300, Philip Charles wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Philip Charles, le Mon 12 Oct 2009 23:52:32 +1300, a écrit :
> > > 1.  Does entropy still have to be copied to /dev/urandom ?
> >
> > Or use the random-egd package.

Has this been in productive use for some time, and is it considered (in
some bounds) stable?  Or may it, for the time being, be rather advisable
to stick with simply copying a binary to /dev/random and /dev/urandom?

> > > 2.  Configuring the network
> > > ten days ago "settrans -fgap /servers/socket/2 /hurd/pfinet -i eth0
> > > \ -a 192.168.1.10 -g 192.168.1.4 -m 255.255.255.0 -4"
> > > worked nicely, now it is broken. "pfinet --usage" says that it
> > > should be "-4 NAME"  What is NAME?  Or am I off track?
> > > I will also have to look at /etc/network/interfaces
> >
> > I simply do not use the -4 option and it works. I guess NAME should be
> > /servers/socket/2 and if you wanted to enable ipv6 at the same time,
> >  add -6 /servers/socket/26
>
> I suspect that this is broken.  A show stopper.

Just strip away the -4 you had at the end.  That's not needed (it's even
wrong), and without that one pfinet should work as it has done for the
last few years.  These new options are only needed for IPv6 support.


Regards,
 Thomas

[Samuel Thibault-8]

Philip Charles, le Tue 13 Oct 2009 20:50:58 +1300, a écrit :

> > > 2.  Configuring the network
> > > ten days ago "settrans -fgap /servers/socket/2 /hurd/pfinet -i eth0
> > > \ -a 192.168.1.10 -g 192.168.1.4 -m 255.255.255.0 -4"
> > > worked nicely, now it is broken. "pfinet --usage" says that it
> > > should be "-4 NAME"  What is NAME?  Or am I off track?
> > > I will also have to look at /etc/network/interfaces
> >
> > I simply do not use the -4 option and it works. I guess NAME should be
> > /servers/socket/2 and if you wanted to enable ipv6 at the same time,
> >  add -6 /servers/socket/26
>
> I suspect that this is broken.  A show stopper.

What do you mean? Is the -4 option passed by some package or are you
doing by hand?

> > > I am not checking the documentation for X11 at this stage.
> >
> > X11 should work atm in principle.
>
> At the moment the system will not reboot.
> libexec/rc wants /sbin/fsck which does not exist.  But /sbin/fsck.ext2 etc
> do.

Do you have util-linux installed?

Samuel


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[Samuel Thibault-8]

Thomas Schwinge, le Tue 13 Oct 2009 10:16:15 +0200, a écrit :
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 08:50:58PM +1300, Philip Charles wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > Philip Charles, le Mon 12 Oct 2009 23:52:32 +1300, a écrit :
> > > > 1.  Does entropy still have to be copied to /dev/urandom ?
> > >
> > > Or use the random-egd package.
>
> Has this been in productive use for some time, and is it considered (in
> some bounds) stable?

It is in use on some buildd.

Samuel


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[Philip Charles]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Philip Charles, le Tue 13 Oct 2009 20:50:58 +1300, a écrit :
> > > > 2.  Configuring the network
> > > > ten days ago "settrans -fgap /servers/socket/2 /hurd/pfinet -i
> > > > eth0 \ -a 192.168.1.10 -g 192.168.1.4 -m 255.255.255.0 -4"
> > > > worked nicely, now it is broken. "pfinet --usage" says that it
> > > > should be "-4 NAME"  What is NAME?  Or am I off track?
> > > > I will also have to look at /etc/network/interfaces
> > >
> > > I simply do not use the -4 option and it works. I guess NAME should
> > > be /servers/socket/2 and if you wanted to enable ipv6 at the same
> > > time, add -6 /servers/socket/26
> >
> > I suspect that this is broken.  A show stopper.
>
> What do you mean? Is the -4 option passed by some package or are you
> doing by hand?

About four weeks ago the network would not configure, 10-15 days ago it
would configure, now it will not even without the -4.

>
> > > > I am not checking the documentation for X11 at this stage.
> > >
> > > X11 should work atm in principle.
> >
> > At the moment the system will not reboot.
> > libexec/rc wants /sbin/fsck which does not exist.  But
> > /sbin/fsck.ext2 etc do.
>
> Do you have util-linux installed?
>

It is installed.  I can't investigate the network until this is fixed.
fsck.ext2, fsck.ext3 et al are is /sbin, but no fsck.  linux does include
fsck in /sbin.

Phil.


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[Philip Charles]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Thomas Schwinge wrote:

> Hello!
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 08:50:58PM +1300, Philip Charles wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > Philip Charles, le Mon 12 Oct 2009 23:52:32 +1300, a écrit :
> > > > 1.  Does entropy still have to be copied to /dev/urandom ?
> > >
> > > Or use the random-egd package.
>
> Has this been in productive use for some time, and is it considered (in
> some bounds) stable?  Or may it, for the time being, be rather
>  advisable to stick with simply copying a binary to /dev/random and
>  /dev/urandom?

OK I will still provide entropy.  Is /dev/random needed?
 

> > > > 2.  Configuring the network
> > > > ten days ago "settrans -fgap /servers/socket/2 /hurd/pfinet -i
> > > > eth0 \ -a 192.168.1.10 -g 192.168.1.4 -m 255.255.255.0 -4"
> > > > worked nicely, now it is broken. "pfinet --usage" says that it
> > > > should be "-4 NAME"  What is NAME?  Or am I off track?
> > > > I will also have to look at /etc/network/interfaces
> > >
> > > I simply do not use the -4 option and it works. I guess NAME should
> > > be /servers/socket/2 and if you wanted to enable ipv6 at the same
> > > time, add -6 /servers/socket/26
> >
> > I suspect that this is broken.  A show stopper.
>
> Just strip away the -4 you had at the end.  That's not needed (it's
>  even wrong), and without that one pfinet should work as it has done
>  for the last few years.  These new options are only needed for IPv6
>  support.

It was not configuring yesterday with and without the -4.

Phil.


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[Michael Banck]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:17:38PM +1300, Philip Charles wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Philip Charles, le Tue 13 Oct 2009 20:50:58 +1300, a écrit :
> > > > > 2.  Configuring the network
> > > > > ten days ago "settrans -fgap /servers/socket/2 /hurd/pfinet -i
> > > > > eth0 \ -a 192.168.1.10 -g 192.168.1.4 -m 255.255.255.0 -4"
> > > > > worked nicely, now it is broken. "pfinet --usage" says that it
> > > > > should be "-4 NAME"  What is NAME?  Or am I off track?
> > > > > I will also have to look at /etc/network/interfaces
> > > >
> > > > I simply do not use the -4 option and it works. I guess NAME should
> > > > be /servers/socket/2 and if you wanted to enable ipv6 at the same
> > > > time, add -6 /servers/socket/26
> > >
> > > I suspect that this is broken.  A show stopper.
> >
> > What do you mean? Is the -4 option passed by some package or are you
> > doing by hand?
>
> About four weeks ago the network would not configure, 10-15 days ago it
> would configure, now it will not even without the -4.

What is the error message or similar you get without the -4?

> > > > > I am not checking the documentation for X11 at this stage.
> > > >
> > > > X11 should work atm in principle.
> > >
> > > At the moment the system will not reboot.
> > > libexec/rc wants /sbin/fsck which does not exist.  But
> > > /sbin/fsck.ext2 etc do.
> >
> > Do you have util-linux installed?
> >
>
> It is installed.  I can't investigate the network until this is fixed.
> fsck.ext2, fsck.ext3 et al are is /sbin, but no fsck.  linux does include
> fsck in /sbin.

Maybe you have the old version (2.14~rc2-0) of the package from debian-ports?
The current unstable version (2.16.1-3) has the /sbin/fsck file according
to http://packages.debian.org/sid/hurd-i386/util-linux/filelist


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[Samuel Thibault-8]

Philip Charles, le Tue 13 Oct 2009 23:20:50 +1300, a écrit :
> OK I will still provide entropy.  Is /dev/random needed?

Yes.

Samuel


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[Philip Charles]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Michael Banck wrote:


> >
> > About four weeks ago the network would not configure, 10-15 days ago
> > it would configure, now it will not even without the -4.
>
> What is the error message or similar you get without the -4?

From memory.  I am unable to check because of the fsck problem.
translator died.  eth0 does not exist
This happened with and without the -4 option.

>

> > >
> > > Do you have util-linux installed?
> >
> > It is installed.  I can't investigate the network until this is
> > fixed. fsck.ext2, fsck.ext3 et al are is /sbin, but no fsck.  linux
> > does include fsck in /sbin.
>
> Maybe you have the old version (2.14~rc2-0) of the package from
>  debian-ports? The current unstable version (2.16.1-3) has the
>  /sbin/fsck file according to
>  http://packages.debian.org/sid/hurd-i386/util-linux/filelist
>

fsck is supposed to be included in e2fsprogs.  The installed version is
1.41.9.1 - dated 12 October.

Phil.

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[Samuel Thibault-8]

Philip Charles, le Wed 14 Oct 2009 00:43:56 +1300, a écrit :
> > Maybe you have the old version (2.14~rc2-0) of the package from
> >  debian-ports? The current unstable version (2.16.1-3) has the
> >  /sbin/fsck file according to
> >  http://packages.debian.org/sid/hurd-i386/util-linux/filelist
> >
> fsck is supposed to be included in e2fsprogs.

It's not any more.

> The installed version is 1.41.9.1 - dated 12 October.

Yes, that one doesn't provide it any more, you need to update your
util-linux.

Samuel


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[Michael Banck]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:43:56AM +1300, Philip Charles wrote:
> fsck is supposed to be included in e2fsprogs.  The installed version is
> 1.41.9.1 - dated 12 October.

No, /sbin/fsck is not file-system specific AFAIK and shipped in
util-linux.


Michael


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[Philip Charles]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Philip Charles, le Wed 14 Oct 2009 00:43:56 +1300, a écrit :
> > > Maybe you have the old version (2.14~rc2-0) of the package from
> > >  debian-ports? The current unstable version (2.16.1-3) has the
> > >  /sbin/fsck file according to
> > >  http://packages.debian.org/sid/hurd-i386/util-linux/filelist
> >
> > fsck is supposed to be included in e2fsprogs.
>
> It's not any more.
>
> > The installed version is 1.41.9.1 - dated 12 October.
>
> Yes, that one doesn't provide it any more, you need to update your
> util-linux.
>
> Samuel

The only available util-linux is in unreleased, 2.14~rc2-0+hurd.1 dated  
2 Oct 2008.

Is there another version hiding somewhere?

Phil.


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[Samuel Thibault-8]

Philip Charles, le Wed 14 Oct 2009 15:29:40 +1300, a écrit :
> The only available util-linux is in unreleased, 2.14~rc2-0+hurd.1 dated  
> 2 Oct 2008.
>
> Is there another version hiding somewhere?

It's not hiding:

$ apt-cache policy util-linux
util-linux:
  Installed: 2.16.1-4
  Candidate: 2.16.1-4
  Version table:
 *** 2.16.1-4 0
        500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/main Packages
        500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     2.14~rc2-0+hurd.1 0
        500 http://ftp.debian-ports.org unreleased/main Packages
     2.12-3 0
        500 http://snapshot.debian.net unstable/main Packages

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[Michael Banck]

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 03:29:40PM +1300, Philip Charles wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Philip Charles, le Wed 14 Oct 2009 00:43:56 +1300, a écrit :
> > > > Maybe you have the old version (2.14~rc2-0) of the package from
> > > >  debian-ports? The current unstable version (2.16.1-3) has the
> > > >  /sbin/fsck file according to
> > > >  http://packages.debian.org/sid/hurd-i386/util-linux/filelist
> > >
> > > fsck is supposed to be included in e2fsprogs.
> >
> > It's not any more.
> >
> > > The installed version is 1.41.9.1 - dated 12 October.
> >
> > Yes, that one doesn't provide it any more, you need to update your
> > util-linux.
> >
> > Samuel
>
> The only available util-linux is in unreleased, 2.14~rc2-0+hurd.1 dated  
> 2 Oct 2008.

Maybe your mirror is out-of-date?  The german mirror e.g. has

http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/util-linux/util-linux_2.16.1-4_hurd-i386.deb

Also, make sure it's not maybe apt-pinning.  Probably we should remove
the package from unreleased now that util-linux is finally back uptodate
in unstable for hurd-i386.


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[Philip Charles]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Philip Charles, le Wed 14 Oct 2009 15:29:40 +1300, a écrit :
> > The only available util-linux is in unreleased, 2.14~rc2-0+hurd.1
> > dated 2 Oct 2008.
> >
> > Is there another version hiding somewhere?
>
> It's not hiding:
>
> $ apt-cache policy util-linux
> util-linux:
>   Installed: 2.16.1-4
>   Candidate: 2.16.1-4
>   Version table:
>  *** 2.16.1-4 0
>         500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/main Packages
>         500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>      2.14~rc2-0+hurd.1 0
>         500 http://ftp.debian-ports.org unreleased/main Packages
>      2.12-3 0
>         500 http://snapshot.debian.net unstable/main Packages
>
> Samuel
>

Found the problem.  Crosshurd was fetching util-linux from debian-ports
not from sid, something it should not do.  Will investigate.

The proper util-linux was used and fsck was found in /sbin.  MAKEDEV works
as it should.  The Bruno hack is still needed for passwd.

New problem when configuring initscripts.  'Can't exec "insserv"  No such
file or directory at /usr/bin/update-rc.d line 387'
insserv has not been configured and is not listed as a dependency of
initscripts - is this the cause of the problem?

Phil.

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[Samuel Thibault-8]

Philip Charles, le Thu 15 Oct 2009 00:41:33 +1300, a écrit :
> New problem when configuring initscripts.  'Can't exec "insserv"  No such
> file or directory at /usr/bin/update-rc.d line 387'
> insserv has not been configured and is not listed as a dependency of
> initscripts - is this the cause of the problem?

initscripts depends on sysv-rc (which is the package that provides
update-rc.d, not initscripts) which depends on insserv.

Samuel


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[Philip Charles]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Philip Charles, le Thu 15 Oct 2009 00:41:33 +1300, a écrit :
> > New problem when configuring initscripts.  'Can't exec "insserv"  No
> > such file or directory at /usr/bin/update-rc.d line 387'
> > insserv has not been configured and is not listed as a dependency of
> > initscripts - is this the cause of the problem?
>
> initscripts depends on sysv-rc (which is the package that provides
> update-rc.d, not initscripts) which depends on insserv.
>
> Samuel
>

The problem is that insserv is not configured before sysv-rc which means
that update-rc.d cannot find insserv.

It looks a though native-install needs to be modified to take into account
this kind of problem.

Phil.

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[Samuel Thibault-8]

Philip Charles, le Thu 15 Oct 2009 10:00:56 +1300, a écrit :
> The problem is that insserv is not configured before sysv-rc which means
> that update-rc.d cannot find insserv.

Mmm, I don't understand: there's not much to be configured for insserv,
it just needs to be unpacked and /sbin/insserv will be available.  A
simple Dependency will provide that.  Just to make sure: /sbin is in
your PATH at that moment, right?

Samuel


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