LKB on MacBook Pro (OSX 10.4)

[Roussanka Loukanova]

Hi,

LKB used to work well on my old Powerbook and the installation was
automatic, like a magic in just few instants. Now, I'm failing with
installation of LKB on my new MacBook Pro (I do not have Parallels).

Hope for help!

Here is what I've done following the instructions for Manual Installation
at <http://wiki.delph-in.net/moin/LkbInstallation>

- created directories
   ~/Documents/delphin/
   ~/Documents/tmp
- Downloaded and unpacked
   lkb_data.tgz and lkb_source.tgz from
<http://lingo.stanford.edu/ftp/latest/>
and got: `lkb_data' and `src'
- moved them in delphin:
~/Documents/delphin/lkb_data
~/Documents/delphin/src
- created LKB-specific settings to my shell and emacs start-up by
  = in the .bash_profile file, added the line:
export DELPHINHOME=~/Documents/delphin
which set up the var:
$ echo $DELPHINHOME
/Users/rosi/Documents/delphin

   = in .emacs, added:

(let ((root (or (getenv "DELPHINHOME")
"~/Documents/delphin/lkb/etc/dot.bashrc")
))
   (if (file-exists-p (format "%s/lkb/etc/dot.emacs" root))
       (load (format "%s/lkb/etc/dot.emacs" root) nil t t)))

(by guessing this from Emilly's emails; before that I tried
"~/Documents/delphin" with the same failure)

- ran lkb:
=
localhost:~ rosi$ lkb
-bash: lkb: command not found
=
I also tried clicking the windows `lkb' and `install' inside
Documents/delphin/lkb_data/etc/

The result is the invitation Choose Application..

Hope for help!
Roussanka

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Roussanka Loukanova
Computational Linguistics
Dept. of Linguistics and Philology
Uppsala University
P.Box 635, Uppsala 751 26, Sweden

Tel:   [phone] (office)
        [phone]
Email: rloukano@...
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[Ann Copestake]

Hi,

you say you've downloaded the source files, but you don't mention
compiling them - were you doing this before?  If you don't have a
licence for Common Lisp, then you can't compile the source and you'll
need to use MacOs binaries - there's a lkb_macos.ppc.32.tgz in the
test directory on the ftp server, though nothing in latest.  (Using
the binaries is easier even you can do the compilation.)  Since I
don't use MacOS, I don't know whether this will work - Stephan may be
able to confirm whether it should, but maybe you could just try it?

Best,

Ann

[Roussanka Loukanova]

Hi,

1. I tried the pre-compiled version for the Mac ppc in the
<http://lingo.stanford.edu/ftp/stable/>, but it didn't work
under intel, i.e., on the MacBook Pro.

2. I do not have any license for Common Lisp (and can't afford such).

3. I've tried kb_macos.ppc.32.tgz <http://lingo.stanford.edu/ftp/test/>.
It doesn't work (or, may be, I do not know how to make it working):
clicking on the application's image doesn't yield anything.

It would be very nice if someone prepare a pre-compiled version for the
intel Macs. I do not have anymore the Powerbook. I'm sure other people are
switching to intel macs.

Roussanka

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, Ann Copestake wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> you say you've downloaded the source files, but you don't mention
> compiling them - were you doing this before?  If you don't have a
> licence for Common Lisp, then you can't compile the source and you'll
> need to use MacOs binaries - there's a lkb_macos.ppc.32.tgz in the
> test directory on the ftp server, though nothing in latest.  (Using
> the binaries is easier even you can do the compilation.)  Since I
> don't use MacOS, I don't know whether this will work - Stephan may be
> able to confirm whether it should, but maybe you could just try it?
>
> Best,
>
> Ann
>

--
Roussanka
------------------------------------------------
Roussanka Loukanova
Computational Linguistics
Dept. of Linguistics and Philology
Uppsala University
P.Box 635, Uppsala 751 26, Sweden

Tel:   [phone] (office)
        [phone]
Email: rloukano@...
URL:   http://stp.ling.uu.se/~rloukano/
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[Ann Copestake]

rloukano@... said:
> It would be very nice if someone prepare a pre-compiled version for the
> intel Macs

yes but for us too, it's a matter of having the appropriate licence and
hardware - my group at Cambridge doesn't and isn't likely to get it (at least
in the short term), but maybe someone else can help out,

Ann

[John Carroll-3]

You're right, the current MCL-based version of the LKB won't run on  
the new Intel-based Macs. I have a MacBook Pro myself, so this also  
affects me. I believe there is a port of the LKB to OpenMCL using LUI  
as the interface, but this would have the same problem, since OpenMCL  
also doesn't work on these machines.

The only options I can see are to

1. use a commercial Lisp with CLIM (e.g. Allegro). I'm not going to  
be buying this for MacOS/Intel.

2. use sbcl (free) with LUI. I intend to trying doing this eventually  
but haven't got time in the next few months.

3. run the Windows version on top of Parallels or Boot Camp.

John

On 3 Sep 2006, at 22:21, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 1. I tried the pre-compiled version for the Mac ppc in the <http://
> lingo.stanford.edu/ftp/stable/>, but it didn't work under intel,  
> i.e., on the MacBook Pro.
>
> 2. I do not have any license for Common Lisp (and can't afford such).
>
> 3. I've tried kb_macos.ppc.32.tgz <http://lingo.stanford.edu/ftp/ 
> test/>. It doesn't work (or, may be, I do not know how to make it  
> working): clicking on the application's image doesn't yield anything.
>
> It would be very nice if someone prepare a pre-compiled version for  
> the intel Macs. I do not have anymore the Powerbook. I'm sure other  
> people are switching to intel macs.
>
> Roussanka
>
> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, Ann Copestake wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> you say you've downloaded the source files, but you don't mention
>> compiling them - were you doing this before?  If you don't have a
>> licence for Common Lisp, then you can't compile the source and you'll
>> need to use MacOs binaries - there's a lkb_macos.ppc.32.tgz in the
>> test directory on the ftp server, though nothing in latest.  (Using
>> the binaries is easier even you can do the compilation.)  Since I
>> don't use MacOS, I don't know whether this will work - Stephan may be
>> able to confirm whether it should, but maybe you could just try it?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ann
>>
>
> --
> Roussanka
> ------------------------------------------------
> Roussanka Loukanova
> Computational Linguistics
> Dept. of Linguistics and Philology
> Uppsala University
> P.Box 635, Uppsala 751 26, Sweden
>
> Tel:   [phone] (office)
>        [phone]
> Email: rloukano@...
> URL:   http://stp.ling.uu.se/~rloukano/
> --------------------------------------------------

[Roussanka Loukanova]

> 2. use sbcl (free) with LUI. I intend to trying doing this eventually but
> haven't got time in the next few months.

This seems the option for me, but I do not know who to do it. I even do
not know what is LUI. Is there someone who has done this and can give help
instructions?

Roussanka

>
> 3. run the Windows version on top of Parallels or Boot Camp.
>
> John
>
> On 3 Sep 2006, at 22:21, Roussanka Loukanova wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 1. I tried the pre-compiled version for the Mac ppc in the <http://
>> lingo.stanford.edu/ftp/stable/>, but it didn't work under intel, i.e., on
>> the MacBook Pro.
>>
>> 2. I do not have any license for Common Lisp (and can't afford such).
>>
>> 3. I've tried kb_macos.ppc.32.tgz <http://lingo.stanford.edu/ftp/test/>.
>> It doesn't work (or, may be, I do not know how to make it working):
>> clicking on the application's image doesn't yield anything.
>>
>> It would be very nice if someone prepare a pre-compiled version for the
>> intel Macs. I do not have anymore the Powerbook. I'm sure other people are
>> switching to intel macs.
>>
>> Roussanka
>>
>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, Ann Copestake wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> you say you've downloaded the source files, but you don't mention
>>> compiling them - were you doing this before?  If you don't have a
>>> licence for Common Lisp, then you can't compile the source and you'll
>>> need to use MacOs binaries - there's a lkb_macos.ppc.32.tgz in the
>>> test directory on the ftp server, though nothing in latest.  (Using
>>> the binaries is easier even you can do the compilation.)  Since I
>>> don't use MacOS, I don't know whether this will work - Stephan may be
>>> able to confirm whether it should, but maybe you could just try it?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Roussanka
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Roussanka Loukanova
>> Computational Linguistics
>> Dept. of Linguistics and Philology
>> Uppsala University
>> P.Box 635, Uppsala 751 26, Sweden
>>
>> Tel:   [phone] (office)
>>        [phone]
>> Email: rloukano@...
>> URL:   http://stp.ling.uu.se/~rloukano/
>> --------------------------------------------------
>

--
Roussanka
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Roussanka Loukanova
Computational Linguistics
Dept. of Linguistics and Philology
Uppsala University
P.Box 635, Uppsala 751 26, Sweden

Tel:   [phone] (office)
        [phone]
Email: rloukano@...
URL:   http://stp.ling.uu.se/~rloukano/
--------------------------------------------------

[Ann Copestake]

rloukano@... said:
> This seems the option for me, but I do not know who to do it. I even do  not
> know what is LUI. Is there someone who has done this and can give help
> instructions?

unfortunately the current version of the LKB isn't compiling with sbcl
apparently - if that gets sorted out, then we'll announce it, and you can look
at the wiki for instructions re the LUI.  But I don't think there's any point
trying the SBCL compilation now unless you have some knowledge of Lisp
programming and compiler macros.

Ann

[Emily M. Bender]

> 3. run the Windows version on top of Parallels or Boot Camp.

Or 3'. run the Linux version on top of Parallels or Boot Camp.
I've done the former (with Ubuntu) and it works fine.  Using Linux
has two advantages: you don't need to buy the OS, and you can
run [incr tsdb()] as well.  Parallels, at least, is much cheaper
than ACL/CLIM.

For those who haven't played with Parallels: it's a virtual machine
set up, so you don't have to reboot to switch between MacOS and the
other environment.  Additionally, it's reasonably easy to move
files back and forth between the environments.

Emily

[Roussanka Loukanova]

Hi Emily,

It seems that your suggestion is very good. But, having in mind that
(hopefully) soon I'll have to get the OSX 10.5, it would be too much to
pay for Parallels too. Most likely, I'll wait for John to get a version
for the intel Macs. Until then, I'll try to manage in the labs with the
grammars that I already have.

Until soon,
Rosi


  On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, Emily M. Bender wrote:

>> 3. run the Windows version on top of Parallels or Boot Camp.
>
> Or 3'. run the Linux version on top of Parallels or Boot Camp.
> I've done the former (with Ubuntu) and it works fine.  Using Linux
> has two advantages: you don't need to buy the OS, and you can
> run [incr tsdb()] as well.  Parallels, at least, is much cheaper
> than ACL/CLIM.
>
> For those who haven't played with Parallels: it's a virtual machine
> set up, so you don't have to reboot to switch between MacOS and the
> other environment.  Additionally, it's reasonably easy to move
> files back and forth between the environments.
>
> Emily
>