LMMS feedback October 6, 2009

[Louigi Verona]

Hey guys!
Some feedback. I apologize if some of it has been reported already.
I am using git version, 0.4.90

1. In piano roll when you right-click on space that has no notes, it has to clear a selection - so if you've selected some notes and copied them, in order to deselect them you should right-click on the piano roll, just somewhere where there are no notes.
Currently: in order to remove selection the only way is to put a note somewhere. That deselects the selection, but you have to delete this unnecessary note.

2. Automation (event editing) - it would be nice if right clicking and dragging would allow you to produce a straight line.

3. In song editor I see no way to select a group of tracks and copy it. I can select, but I do not understand how to copy. If this functionality is not there, it should be.

4. When you copy notes from one BB pattern to the other, the notes do not show until you close the project. Maybe this is something that is a temporary thing of the git version, but it certainly makes things difficult.

5. When you play an instrument with a keyboard, changing volume envelope does not affect playback. It works only if you put notes into piano roll or a BB editor - at least in audio processor.

6. The Gate bug in LB302 - if  you lower the gate to lower than 7%, it goes to 100%.

7. Audio processor, with which I work a lot, does not open all mp3s - sometimes it would open an mp3 as noise. The mp3 are small files and there is no obvious difference between files that do open and those that do not. Examples can be sent, I am not sure that it is ok to attach them to the mail list.

8. In song editor it would be good to duplicate a track WITHOUT duplicating the blocks of the song editor. Often you need to duplicate a track to add a variation, but you absolutely do not want it to be placed in same places. In fact, I would argue that the clone function as it is now is not very handy - this duplicating of the blocks is not necessary - duplicating the track itself with all the notes in it is enough.

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[Andy Kelley]

I see you are a fellow FL Studio user :-)

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@...> wrote:

Hey guys!
Some feedback. I apologize if some of it has been reported already.
I am using git version, 0.4.90

1. In piano roll when you right-click on space that has no notes, it has to clear a selection - so if you've selected some notes and copied them, in order to deselect them you should right-click on the piano roll, just somewhere where there are no notes.
Currently: in order to remove selection the only way is to put a note somewhere. That deselects the selection, but you have to delete this unnecessary note.

2. Automation (event editing) - it would be nice if right clicking and dragging would allow you to produce a straight line.

3. In song editor I see no way to select a group of tracks and copy it. I can select, but I do not understand how to copy. If this functionality is not there, it should be.

4. When you copy notes from one BB pattern to the other, the notes do not show until you close the project. Maybe this is something that is a temporary thing of the git version, but it certainly makes things difficult.

5. When you play an instrument with a keyboard, changing volume envelope does not affect playback. It works only if you put notes into piano roll or a BB editor - at least in audio processor.

6. The Gate bug in LB302 - if  you lower the gate to lower than 7%, it goes to 100%.

7. Audio processor, with which I work a lot, does not open all mp3s - sometimes it would open an mp3 as noise. The mp3 are small files and there is no obvious difference between files that do open and those that do not. Examples can be sent, I am not sure that it is ok to attach them to the mail list.

8. In song editor it would be good to duplicate a track WITHOUT duplicating the blocks of the song editor. Often you need to duplicate a track to add a variation, but you absolutely do not want it to be placed in same places. In fact, I would argue that the clone function as it is now is not very handy - this duplicating of the blocks is not necessary - duplicating the track itself with all the notes in it is enough.

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[Andy Kelley]

#7 is my fault - I am responsible for mp3 support. Can you send me an example or two of the mp3s that cause the error?

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@...> wrote:

Hey guys!
Some feedback. I apologize if some of it has been reported already.
I am using git version, 0.4.90

1. In piano roll when you right-click on space that has no notes, it has to clear a selection - so if you've selected some notes and copied them, in order to deselect them you should right-click on the piano roll, just somewhere where there are no notes.
Currently: in order to remove selection the only way is to put a note somewhere. That deselects the selection, but you have to delete this unnecessary note.

2. Automation (event editing) - it would be nice if right clicking and dragging would allow you to produce a straight line.

3. In song editor I see no way to select a group of tracks and copy it. I can select, but I do not understand how to copy. If this functionality is not there, it should be.

4. When you copy notes from one BB pattern to the other, the notes do not show until you close the project. Maybe this is something that is a temporary thing of the git version, but it certainly makes things difficult.

5. When you play an instrument with a keyboard, changing volume envelope does not affect playback. It works only if you put notes into piano roll or a BB editor - at least in audio processor.

6. The Gate bug in LB302 - if  you lower the gate to lower than 7%, it goes to 100%.

7. Audio processor, with which I work a lot, does not open all mp3s - sometimes it would open an mp3 as noise. The mp3 are small files and there is no obvious difference between files that do open and those that do not. Examples can be sent, I am not sure that it is ok to attach them to the mail list.

8. In song editor it would be good to duplicate a track WITHOUT duplicating the blocks of the song editor. Often you need to duplicate a track to add a variation, but you absolutely do not want it to be placed in same places. In fact, I would argue that the clone function as it is now is not very handy - this duplicating of the blocks is not necessary - duplicating the track itself with all the notes in it is enough.

Louigi Verona.
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[William Lahti]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@...> wrote:

2. Automation (event editing) - it would be nice if right clicking and dragging would allow you to produce a straight line.

I know I always bring "FL does it this way" comments and I try not to default to that but I really like the inline automation clip editing it has. before then i usually did recorded automation which is hard to control and analyze from the comfort of the song editor. That being said yeah there should definitely be a tool for that, something that FL *doesnt* have to my knowledge.

What do you mean here? FL Studio can produce a straight line if you use a right click.

 

Ahh cool. Like I said, I use automation clips not the event editor.

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[Paul Giblock-2]

I found this draft in my box.  I don't know if it was ever sent.

-Paul

> 1. In piano roll when you right-click on space that has no notes...

Yes, this workflow will be improved in all editors with the upcoming
QGraphicsView changes.

> 2. Automation (event editing) - it would be nice if right clicking and
> dragging would allow you to produce a straight line.

Is the current "click, then shift-click" behavior not good enough?

> 3. In song editor I see no way to select a group of tracks and copy it. I
> can select, but I do not understand how to copy. If this functionality is
> not there, it should be.

What do you mean? copying the tracks themselves? or copying the
segments within a multiple tracks?

> 4. When you copy notes from one BB pattern to the other, the notes do not
> show until you close the project. Maybe this is something that is a
> temporary thing of the git version, but it certainly makes things difficult.

New to me. I haven't had a chance to reproduce yet.

> 5. When you play an instrument with a keyboard, changing volume envelope
> does not affect playback. It works only if you put notes into piano roll or
> a BB editor - at least in audio processor.

hmm, what do you mean by "Volume Envelope" You mean the VOL tab under
ENV/LFO?  I guess you are explicitly talking about the AMT knob?  I
haven't tried to reproduce this yet.  (My MIDI setup is non existant
at the moment)

> 6. The Gate bug in LB302 - if  you lower the gate to lower than 7%, it goes
> to 100%.

I was unable to reproduce.

> 7. Audio processor, with which I work a lot, does not open all mp3s -
> sometimes it would open an mp3 as noise. The mp3 are small files and there
> is no obvious difference between files that do open and those that do not.
> Examples can be sent, I am not sure that it is ok to attach them to the mail
> list.

Superjoe ;-)

> 8. In song editor it would be good to duplicate a track WITHOUT duplicating
> the blocks of the song editor. Often you need to duplicate a track to add a
> variation, but you absolutely do not want it to be placed in same places. In
> fact, I would argue that the clone function as it is now is not very handy -
> this duplicating of the blocks is not necessary - duplicating the track
> itself with all the notes in it is enough.

Any suggestions on how this should be? I'm rewriting song editor currently.

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[Stefan Fendt]

Paul Giblock schrieb:
>> 2. Automation (event editing) - it would be nice if right clicking and
>> dragging would allow you to produce a straight line.
>>    
>
> Is the current "click, then shift-click" behavior not good enough?
>  

Well, "good enough" -> may be... but it is contra-intuitive... I only
found it by accident...

>> 3. In song editor I see no way to select a group of tracks and copy it. I
>> can select, but I do not understand how to copy. If this functionality is
>> not there, it should be.
>>    
>
> What do you mean? copying the tracks themselves? or copying the
> segments within a multiple tracks?
>  
I am not sure what he means either... and as I do not have lmms at hand
this evening I can't test it... but I recall that there was something
really awkward with it...

cu
Stefan



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[Louigi Verona]

What do you mean? copying the tracks themselves? or copying the
segments within a multiple tracks?

copying the segments within a multiple tracks. you can select them and move them, but not copy. ;)

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[Andy Kelley]

I plan to incorporate making straight lines with right-click in piano roll.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@...> wrote:

What do you mean? copying the tracks themselves? or copying the
segments within a multiple tracks?

copying the segments within a multiple tracks. you can select them and move them, but not copy. ;)

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[Paul Giblock-2]

OK, well the new song editor already has a totally different
selecting/moving model anyways. So, perhaps it is easy to fix for our
current editor, but I probably won't look at it.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@...> wrote:

> What do you mean? copying the tracks themselves? or copying the
> segments within a multiple tracks?
>
> copying the segments within a multiple tracks. you can select them and move
> them, but not copy. ;)
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[Paul Giblock-2]

I think the reason  I made it shift-click is because right-click was
already taken for delete.
I  guess delete can be moved to middle click, that would make it more
consistent with the other editors.

Louigi, Stefan:  The shift-click is documented on our wiki,
http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Key_Mappings#Automation_Editor

-Paul

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[Louigi Verona]

Middle click? Middle click delete for what? I am a bit confused: in the even editor you do not delete anything %)

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Paul Giblock <drfaygo@...> wrote:

I think the reason  I made it shift-click is because right-click was
already taken for delete.
I  guess delete can be moved to middle click, that would make it more
consistent with the other editors.

Louigi, Stefan:  The shift-click is documented on our wiki,
http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Key_Mappings#Automation_Editor

-Paul

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[Paul Giblock-2]

Louigi:

I mean: Middle-click already deletes in the piano-roll, the song-editor.

In the Automation-editor, right-click deletes.  I suggested to move
the delete to middle-click so it is consistent.  And, so that
right-click is free for drawing straight lines.

On another note, Andy K. and I drafted out a proposed default keyboard
mapping for the future versions.  I think he is moving that to a wiki
article sometime soon.  In this proposal, right-click is always
delete.  So, for the automation's straight lines, this would have to
be moved back to middle-click or shift-click.   However, maybe we will
have a vector-based editor by then and it won't really matter.

-Paul

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@...> wrote:

> Middle click? Middle click delete for what? I am a bit confused: in the even
> editor you do not delete anything %)
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Paul Giblock <drfaygo@...> wrote:
>>
>> I think the reason  I made it shift-click is because right-click was
>> already taken for delete.
>> I  guess delete can be moved to middle click, that would make it more
>> consistent with the other editors.
>>
>> Louigi, Stefan:  The shift-click is documented on our wiki,
>>
>> http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Key_Mappings#Automation_Editor
>>
>> -Paul
>>
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[William Lahti]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@...> wrote:

Middle click? Middle click delete for what? I am a bit confused: in the even editor you do not delete anything %)

Actually you do. If you delete a portion of the event editor, it should prevent any changes during that time, leaving it at whatever the last event or initial position was. for instance if you dont clear the event editor and instead just set it to zero, then editing a knob by hand wouldnt work, the value would always be zero.

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