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Re: eprinting

2009-11-18T11:10:29Z

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Michael Ansel wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Xin Xu <xin.xu@...> wrote:
>> Hi I'm trying to set up my ePrint on my computer running Ubuntu 9.10. I
>> have everything set up so I can print to ePrint, but only through the
>> terminal. The issue is that when I print from the terminal I use the lpr
>> command and the -U option to change the username to my netID, but I don't
>> know how to change it so I can print to my netID when printing through the
>> GUI. I know one method is to create a new user profile that is the same as
>> my netID, but I would prefer not to do that if possible. Is there anyway I
>> can change the print command so that it will use my netID rather than my log
>> in name? I thought about changing the cupsd.conf file or the printers.conf
>> file, but I don't want to screw anything up before I asked for help
>>
>> Xin
>>
>
>
> I think you can modify the lpr command executed from the print
> settings dialog in some Ubuntu programs, but I'm not sure if that is
> due to Ubuntu printing or the specific application (I'm on Fedora,
> which doesn't do it at all).
>
> I struggled with this some a few years ago, but ended up deciding to
> just use my NetID as my local username the next time I reinstalled the
> OS (which happened to be not long after). This also had the added
> benefit of making it even easier when logging in to the Linux computer
> labs (username was automatically passed through).
>
> Although requiring a specific local username is a tad annoying, I
> haven't had any problems or complaints since I did it.
>
> Another (completely untested) idea would be to move /usr/bin/lpr to
> /usr/bin/lpr.real and create a shell script in its place to just call
> /usr/bin/lpr.real -U (username) (all other passed arguments). It might
> be worth a shot of you want to avoid reinstalling/migrating your user
> account.
>
> Hope some of that is helpful!
>
> Michael
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Anyone every try anything like this:
http://dacc.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/uw-pharos-printing-from-your-laptop-linux-or-mac/

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Re: eprinting

2009-11-18T10:44:41Z

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Xin Xu <xin.xu@...> wrote:

> Hi I'm trying to set up my ePrint on my computer running Ubuntu 9.10. I
> have everything set up so I can print to ePrint, but only through the
> terminal. The issue is that when I print from the terminal I use the lpr
> command and the -U option to change the username to my netID, but I don't
> know how to change it so I can print to my netID when printing through the
> GUI. I know one method is to create a new user profile that is the same as
> my netID, but I would prefer not to do that if possible. Is there anyway I
> can change the print command so that it will use my netID rather than my log
> in name? I thought about changing the cupsd.conf file or the printers.conf
> file, but I don't want to screw anything up before I asked for help
>
> Xin
>

I think you can modify the lpr command executed from the print
settings dialog in some Ubuntu programs, but I'm not sure if that is
due to Ubuntu printing or the specific application (I'm on Fedora,
which doesn't do it at all).

I struggled with this some a few years ago, but ended up deciding to
just use my NetID as my local username the next time I reinstalled the
OS (which happened to be not long after). This also had the added
benefit of making it even easier when logging in to the Linux computer
labs (username was automatically passed through).

Although requiring a specific local username is a tad annoying, I
haven't had any problems or complaints since I did it.

Another (completely untested) idea would be to move /usr/bin/lpr to
/usr/bin/lpr.real and create a shell script in its place to just call
/usr/bin/lpr.real -U (username) (all other passed arguments). It might
be worth a shot of you want to avoid reinstalling/migrating your user
account.

Hope some of that is helpful!

Michael

Pratt '11

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Free Goods GONE

2009-11-18T04:41:45Z

Thanks to those who called. The P3 computer has been spoken for

Jim H

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Free goods

2009-11-16T16:17:45Z

Good Day All;

I have a good working P3 850 MHZ computer. Has 256 mb ram, video card and
network card. Have just booted it from a CD and am running forensic wipe on
the massive 4.3 GB hard drive. (8-o)

Has a working CD reader.

Unit is filthy from an industrial location. It has a QDI-Legend brand BX
series motherboard.

Has PS2 size keyboard and mouse connectors.

This unit is FREE. It will NOT be delivered or dropped off anywhere. The unit
will be kept until Thursday AM. If nobody calls by then it will be recycled.

Call my home 477-8342 before 9:30 PM Monday or my cell 499-5250 Tuesday or
Wednesday.

Jim Haliburton

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Re: webcams...

2009-11-16T04:59:04Z

jim dorey wrote:
> i've had luck with the quickcam i got at the futureshop on sale for 20
> bucks, it's the model that hangs on a laptop screen, eyeball shaped(put
> a cross in the room, use it to autofocus, motorise the lens?), e2500
> chip or something, worked fine, i installed a newer slackware version,
> didn't bother to enable the camera again. i usually save my config
> files, but i'm not sure if it was a config file or a header file or
> what, that i changed, i'll be digging around eventually, a toe to the
> butt might help.

was diggin around my source directory, found the related diff file.
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Re: webcams...

2009-11-15T15:29:30Z

Hi,

I have a 19ff:0102 Dynex 1.3MP Webcam that works really well with the UVC drivers.

On 11/15/2009 02:19 PM, Vikram Chhatre wrote:

AFAIK, UVC (http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/)  enabled webcams run ok on
linux.  I have a dell inspiron with built in webcam and it works fine
in Skype.  My distribution is Slackware 13 and kernel is 2.6.29.6.

V
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Re: webcams...

2009-11-15T10:19:18Z

AFAIK, UVC (http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/) enabled webcams run ok on
linux. I have a dell inspiron with built in webcam and it works fine
in Skype. My distribution is Slackware 13 and kernel is 2.6.29.6.

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Re: webcams...

2009-11-15T05:29:20Z

Michael Gillie wrote:
> Hello fellow Linux Users,
>
> I'm in a bit of a bind. I'm trying to get my hands on a webcam that will
> actually work with, you guessed it, Linux. I'm going to admit, I'm
> running into road blocks. I'm using Debian 4.0 or Ubuntu, whichever is
> the first to do what I want. I've been working with a newer Logitech
> Quickcam, but my frustrations are building. I have to build a
> light-weight streaming server, and broadcast the feed from the camera.
> I'm planning on using VLC as the media server.

i've had luck with the quickcam i got at the futureshop on sale for 20
bucks, it's the model that hangs on a laptop screen, eyeball shaped(put
a cross in the room, use it to autofocus, motorise the lens?), e2500
chip or something, worked fine, i installed a newer slackware version,
didn't bother to enable the camera again. i usually save my config
files, but i'm not sure if it was a config file or a header file or
what, that i changed, i'll be digging around eventually, a toe to the
butt might help.
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Re: webcams...

2009-11-14T22:34:06Z

Michael Gillie <mikegpc@...> wrote:

> I'm in a bit of a bind. I'm trying to get my hands on a webcam that will
> actually work with, you guessed it, Linux.

I can confirm that at least *some* older Logitech USB Quickcams work with
Linux.

You might try http://www.pc700.com/ (902-468-9607), out near the north
end of Robie St. When I was last in there, I was looking for a
bucketful of serial mice at junk price. He wouldn't give me junk
price but had mice and a lot of other oldish stuff at reasonable
prices.

It's not clear from your post how close to the metal you're supposed
to be hacking. There is an open-source Quickcam Linux module on
Sourceforge:

http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/

that works for me. The web page and package docs are pretty clear on
which cams the module supports but you may have to open a 2nd-hand cam
to determine what chips it uses (or just take it home and try it) if
there's no model designation on the outside of the cam.

I don't see anything in the quickcam module docs about an API but it
does work with motion:

http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome

which is also open source and with mplayer. Haven't tried it with
Zoneminder.

There *are* old Logitech cams that use a parallel port interface.
AFAIK, there's no existing Linux support for them and you'd have hack
the hardware interface yourself. But I might be wrong; look here for
further driver help:

http://www.crynwr.com/qcpc/

HTH,
- Mike

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Re: webcams...

2009-11-14T21:46:13Z

re: zoneminder and a camera, i'm doing the same thing with a centos 5.4 linux vm and a panasonic BL-C131 wireless IP camera. Works great, you get dynamic DNS included so you can always reach your camera to check on things. Works well with the iphone. Zoneminder will reformat the images and interface for mobile devices also. I believe this was introduced in v1.24

cheers

joe

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Scott Syms <scottsyms@...> wrote:

You might want to get a look at zoneminder (www.zoneminder.com)- it's more for security monitoring, so it may not be what you're looking for. There are zoneminder livecd's you can try.

I've used USB webcams with Linux before- I think there's a video for linux compatibility list out there somewhere- try http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page

tks

S

On 2009-11-14, at 9:53 PM, Michael Gillie wrote:

Hello fellow Linux Users,

I'm in a bit of a bind. I'm trying to get my hands on a webcam that will actually work with, you guessed it, Linux. I'm going to admit, I'm running into road blocks. I'm using Debian 4.0 or Ubuntu, whichever is the first to do what I want. I've been working with a newer Logitech Quickcam, but my frustrations are building. I have to build a light-weight streaming server, and broadcast the feed from the camera.

I'm planning on using VLC as the media server.

If anyone has any great ideas, PLEASE let me know. This is a school project.

Here are the basics of the system...

It's a Dell Latitude D610.

It runs both Ubuntu 9.04 and Debian 4.0 without a hitch, stability-wise.

It needs an opensource webcam streaming server which:

allows for easy configuration

allows for secure login

has a web interface that can be modified, most specifically, the layout, styles, etc.

MUST be open source, and free.

So, that leads me to ask where can I find an older or compatible webcam at a reasonable price?

I would prefer used, as I have to dismantle it down to the basic wire and "eye".

Thanks,

Michael Gillie
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Re: webcams...

2009-11-14T21:30:24Z

I think you're thinking of the Linux-USB device overview. Here's the
'video' section:

http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevcat.php?id=9

-D.

2009/11/14 Scott Syms <scottsyms@...>:

> You might want to get a look at zoneminder (www.zoneminder.com)- it's more
> for security monitoring, so it may not be what you're looking for. There
> are zoneminder livecd's you can try.
> I've used USB webcams with Linux before- I think there's a video for linux
> compatibility list out there somewhere-
> try http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page
> tks
> S
> On 2009-11-14, at 9:53 PM, Michael Gillie wrote:
>
> Hello fellow Linux Users,
>
> I'm in a bit of a bind. I'm trying to get my hands on a webcam that will
> actually work with, you guessed it, Linux. I'm going to admit, I'm running
> into road blocks. I'm using Debian 4.0 or Ubuntu, whichever is the first to
> do what I want. I've been working with a newer Logitech Quickcam, but my
> frustrations are building. I have to build a light-weight streaming server,
> and broadcast the feed from the camera.
> I'm planning on using VLC as the media server.
>
> If anyone has any great ideas, PLEASE let me know. This is a school project.
>
> Here are the basics of the system...
>
> It's a Dell Latitude D610.
> It runs both Ubuntu 9.04 and Debian 4.0 without a hitch, stability-wise.
> It needs an opensource webcam streaming server which:
>
> allows for easy configuration
> allows for secure login
> has a web interface that can be modified, most specifically, the layout,
> styles, etc.
> MUST be open source, and free.
>
> So, that leads me to ask where can I find an older or compatible webcam at a
> reasonable price?
> I would prefer used, as I have to dismantle it down to the basic wire and
> "eye".
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Michael Gillie

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Re: webcams...

2009-11-14T19:13:05Z

You might want to get a look at zoneminder (www.zoneminder.com)- it's more for security monitoring, so it may not be what you're looking for. There are zoneminder livecd's you can try.

I've used USB webcams with Linux before- I think there's a video for linux compatibility list out there somewhere- try http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page

tks

On 2009-11-14, at 9:53 PM, Michael Gillie wrote:

Hello fellow Linux Users,

I'm in a bit of a bind. I'm trying to get my hands on a webcam that will actually work with, you guessed it, Linux. I'm going to admit, I'm running into road blocks. I'm using Debian 4.0 or Ubuntu, whichever is the first to do what I want. I've been working with a newer Logitech Quickcam, but my frustrations are building. I have to build a light-weight streaming server, and broadcast the feed from the camera.

I'm planning on using VLC as the media server.

If anyone has any great ideas, PLEASE let me know. This is a school project.

Here are the basics of the system...

It's a Dell Latitude D610.

It runs both Ubuntu 9.04 and Debian 4.0 without a hitch, stability-wise.

It needs an opensource webcam streaming server which:

allows for easy configuration

allows for secure login

has a web interface that can be modified, most specifically, the layout, styles, etc.

MUST be open source, and free.

So, that leads me to ask where can I find an older or compatible webcam at a reasonable price?

I would prefer used, as I have to dismantle it down to the basic wire and "eye".

Thanks,

Michael Gillie
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Re: webcams...

2009-11-14T19:11:32Z

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Re: webcams...

2009-11-14T18:37:25Z

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 09:53:18PM -0400, Michael Gillie wrote:
> Hello fellow Linux Users,
>
> I'm in a bit of a bind. I'm trying to get my hands on a webcam that will
> actually work with, you guessed it, Linux. I'm going to admit, I'm running
> into road blocks. I'm using Debian 4.0 or Ubuntu, whichever is the first to
> do what I want. I've been working with a newer Logitech Quickcam, but my
> frustrations are building.

Without giving specific details on the camera (lspci would be nice)
nobody is going to be able to make a useful suggestion. Logitech is a
bit of a mess that way.

V4L in general too, I suppose.
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Re: webcams...

2009-11-14T18:30:54Z

I've had luck getting my Creative Live! webcam working with Motion and
it seems pretty configurable, at least from what I've played with. Not
sure if you can still get them or not though. I've got an old Logitech
I'll try and see if it works as well.

Michael Gillie wrote:

> Hello fellow Linux Users,
>
> I'm in a bit of a bind. I'm trying to get my hands on a webcam that
> will actually work with, you guessed it, Linux. I'm going to admit,
> I'm running into road blocks. I'm using Debian 4.0 or Ubuntu,
> whichever is the first to do what I want. I've been working with a
> newer Logitech Quickcam, but my frustrations are building. I have to
> build a light-weight streaming server, and broadcast the feed from the
> camera.
> I'm planning on using VLC as the media server.
>
> If anyone has any great ideas, PLEASE let me know. This is a school
> project.
>
> Here are the basics of the system...
>
> It's a Dell Latitude D610.
> It runs both Ubuntu 9.04 and Debian 4.0 without a hitch, stability-wise.
> It needs an opensource webcam streaming server which:
>
> 1. allows for easy configuration
> 2. allows for secure login
> 3. has a web interface that can be modified, most specifically, the
> layout, styles, etc.
> 4. MUST be open source, and free.
>
> So, that leads me to ask where can I find an older or compatible
> webcam at a reasonable price?
> I would prefer used, as I have to dismantle it down to the basic wire
> and "eye".
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Michael Gillie
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webcams...

2009-11-14T17:53:18Z

Hello fellow Linux Users,

I'm in a bit of a bind. I'm trying to get my hands on a webcam that will actually work with, you guessed it, Linux. I'm going to admit, I'm running into road blocks. I'm using Debian 4.0 or Ubuntu, whichever is the first to do what I want. I've been working with a newer Logitech Quickcam, but my frustrations are building. I have to build a light-weight streaming server, and broadcast the feed from the camera.

I'm planning on using VLC as the media server.

If anyone has any great ideas, PLEASE let me know. This is a school project.

Here are the basics of the system...

It's a Dell Latitude D610.

It runs both Ubuntu 9.04 and Debian 4.0 without a hitch, stability-wise.

It needs an opensource webcam streaming server which:

allows for easy configuration
allows for secure login
has a web interface that can be modified, most specifically, the layout, styles, etc.
MUST be open source, and free.

So, that leads me to ask where can I find an older or compatible webcam at a reasonable price?

I would prefer used, as I have to dismantle it down to the basic wire and "eye".

Thanks,

Michael Gillie

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Non Profit CC Processing

2009-11-13T11:24:25Z

There was a discussion some months ago, that I can't seem to excavate
from gmail, about a card processing company that specializes in non
profits. Does anyone have information on them?

Thanks,

-Herb
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Re: eprinting

2009-11-11T19:28:11Z

Hi Xin,

Xin Xu wrote:
> netID rather than my log in name? I thought about changing the
> cupsd.conf file or the printers.conf file, but I don't want to screw
> anything up before I asked for help

I ran into the same problem as you way back in 2005. At that point, the
answer was to configure your programs to use an lpr command for printing.

https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/dulug/2005-October/009742.html

Eprint has been discussed quite a bit on the list in years past:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flists.dulug.duke.edu%2F+eprint

Other than that, I don't know what the current state of the network is,
since I'm no longer there. It's also possible that CUPS accepts a
username configuration option now -- I haven't needed to check in a long
time. Good luck.

Best,
Andrew Todd
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eprinting

2009-11-11T12:19:39Z

Hi I'm trying to set up my ePrint on my computer running Ubuntu 9.10. I have everything set up so I can print to ePrint, but only through the terminal. The issue is that when I print from the terminal I use the lpr command and the -U option to change the username to my netID, but I don't know how to change it so I can print to my netID when printing through the GUI. I know one method is to create a new user profile that is the same as my netID, but I would prefer not to do that if possible. Is there anyway I can change the print command so that it will use my netID rather than my log in name? I thought about changing the cupsd.conf file or the printers.conf file, but I don't want to screw anything up before I asked for help

Xin

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Re: PC Parts to give away

2009-11-09T10:19:50Z

Richard took it all. Thank you Richard.

I'll keep my eyes open for an external modem.

I'll have more PCs with PC133 ram, all P4s, to get rid off in the next few
months. I can't promise I'll remember who wanted what but I will post here
first. My e-mail address is patgagnon AT gmail DOT com if you want to send
me a reminder in March 2010.

Cheers,
Pat

Today's Topics:

1. Re: PC Parts to give away (jim dorey)
2. Re: PC Parts to give away (Joshua B.)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:49:22 -0400
From: jim dorey <skaar@...>
Subject: Re: [nSLUG] PC Parts to give away
To: Nova Scotia Linux User Group <nslug@...>
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Pat Gagnon wrote:
> Hello group,
>
>
>
> Just wondering if anyone has a need for older working PC parts such as
> video cards, modems, RAM (printer, SDRAM PC100 and PC133, etc), laptop
> hard drives 1 Gig or less, Power Supply, Cases, variety of CPUs and
> heat sinks, power cables, NICs, CD-ROMs. I think that about covers it.

durn, i bet someone already got the pc133, guess i should check the group
more often...

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:15:10 -0400
From: "Joshua B." <juggins@...>
Subject: Re: [nSLUG] PC Parts to give away
To: Nova Scotia Linux User Group <nslug@...>
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To Pat or Richard or whomever has current custody of the goodies:

If you find you have possession of an external non win-modem modem or
dial-up modem that is otherwise linux compatible I would be much obliged if
you were inclined to dispose of it in my direction. I've long wished to set
my parents up on linux but am stopped due to lack of a dial up modem that
can meet their needs.

Thanks,

Joshua
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:49 AM, jim dorey <skaar@...> wrote:

> Pat Gagnon wrote:
> > Hello group,
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone has a need for older working PC parts such as
> > video cards, modems, RAM (printer, SDRAM PC100 and PC133, etc), laptop
> > hard drives 1 Gig or less, Power Supply, Cases, variety of CPUs and heat
> > sinks, power cables, NICs, CD-ROMs. I think that about covers it.
>
> durn, i bet someone already got the pc133, guess i should check the
> group more often...
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Re: Modem

2009-11-09T08:45:07Z

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Joshua B. wrote:

> To Pat or Richard or whomever has current custody of the goodies:

*** I have them, now.

> If you find you have possession of an external non win-modem modem
> or dial-up modem that is otherwise linux compatible I would be much
> obliged if you were inclined to dispose of it in my direction. I've
> long wished to set my parents up on linux but am stopped due to lack
> of a dial up modem that can meet their needs.

*** Unfortunately, I will be using thos modems on my DOS systems.
However, I believe there are more than one. If so, I will notify you.
I am really busy right now, but will be free starting Thursday and
will catch up on the group and also look for those modems.

Richard
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Re: PC Parts to give away

2009-11-09T06:15:10Z

To Pat or Richard or whomever has current custody of the goodies:

If you find you have possession of an external non win-modem modem or dial-up modem that is otherwise linux compatible I would be much obliged if you were inclined to dispose of it in my direction. I've long wished to set my parents up on linux but am stopped due to lack of a dial up modem that can meet their needs.

Thanks,

Joshua

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:49 AM, jim dorey <skaar@...> wrote:

Pat Gagnon wrote:
> Hello group,
>
>
>
> Just wondering if anyone has a need for older working PC parts such as
> video cards, modems, RAM (printer, SDRAM PC100 and PC133, etc), laptop
> hard drives 1 Gig or less, Power Supply, Cases, variety of CPUs and heat
> sinks, power cables, NICs, CD-ROMs. I think that about covers it.

durn, i bet someone already got the pc133, guess i should check the
group more often...

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Re: PC Parts to give away

2009-11-09T05:49:22Z

Pat Gagnon wrote:
> Hello group,
>
>
>
> Just wondering if anyone has a need for older working PC parts such as
> video cards, modems, RAM (printer, SDRAM PC100 and PC133, etc), laptop
> hard drives 1 Gig or less, Power Supply, Cases, variety of CPUs and heat
> sinks, power cables, NICs, CD-ROMs. I think that about covers it.

durn, i bet someone already got the pc133, guess i should check the
group more often...
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GONE free goods

2009-11-08T06:41:06Z

Someone was on the ball and has called for the free goods.

Thanks for the interest.

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Free goods

2009-11-08T06:14:17Z

Free to good home;

Have a P3 - 933 MHz unit with an Aopen AX3S-Pro Motherboard. Video, Parallel
port, Audio, and game port on board. Includes 10/100 PCI NIC. Also has an add-
in video card, likely Nvidia chipset

The capacitors on the motherboard have been replaced. It has had the power
supply replaced in the last 18 months.

It has a single stick of 256 MB RAM

Has Maxtor 20 GB IDE drive that has been forensic wiped. No Windows CofA.

The CD works sometimes and other times not. Probably the lens needs cleaning.

Will NOT deliver this unit. It must be picked up.

Available as of 11:00 AM Sunday 08 November 2009.

First call gets it.

It has a 90/90 warranty. That is 90 feet or 90 seconds, whichever is shorter.

I can be reached at 477-8342 in the evenings and week-ends, or 499-5250 during
week days.

Jim Haliburton

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Re: Centos 5.4

2009-11-06T12:52:15Z

Hi Chris,
Centos-5.4 is in our testing repo now on Linux@Duke. Assuming
there are no issues, it should go live next week.

On 11/02/2009 12:05 PM, Chris wrote:

>
> I noticed that Duke has the newest centos release in their mirrors
> repository, but the current install repository is still pointing to 5.3?
> Any ideas when the shift will be made to 5.4?
>
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Re: Robots, NSLUG list: Was smtp relay through eastlink

2009-11-06T06:47:37Z

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:06 AM, David Potter <dlpotter@...> wrote:

Occasionally I wonder why the 'good questions' asked on this list do not
benefit from by 'knowledgeable' input from Eastlink and Aliant/Bell
technical folk (even anonymously).

Would they read this list if they don't use Linux?

I just Google(d) nslug along with a few keywords from this discussion
and it doesn't look like the list is being visited....

Older nslug posts are visible from google. They probably have
not visited the archives in a few weeks.

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Robots, NSLUG list: Was smtp relay through eastlink

2009-11-06T06:06:43Z

Occasionally I wonder why the 'good questions' asked on this list do not
benefit from by 'knowledgeable' input from Eastlink and Aliant/Bell
technical folk (even anonymously).

I just Google(d) nslug along with a few keywords from this discussion
and it doesn't look like the list is being visited....

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Re: smtp relay through eastlink and ESET Nod32 tagline = disappearing email

2009-11-06T05:45:03Z

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Greg Estabrooks <greg@...> wrote:

I ran into this same thing a few weeks ago.

We had several customers call and complain that email they sent to many
Aliant users hadn't made it yet I could see in the logs they had
received every one of them. And it turned out that our Nagios system had
noticed that they had changed the IPs on which they receive email the
same day. Of course several of the customers didn't believe me but there
wasn't much I could do to convince them since email is really an on your
honour system and all I could do was show my logs of them accepting it.

I think a huge queue just hit the bit bucket over those days :)

It might have something to do with dodging reputation server black lists.
Switching your mail server's IP is one way to dodge a block list.

Here is my theory...

IronPort has been deleting malware and spam sent by users at the source
as a way to defend the ISP's smtp server from being reported and blacklisted.
This has been going on for a long time, and as long as the spam tagging
threshold had few false positives, no one noticed.

A few weeks ago there was a reported outage between many cable ISPs
where they could not deliver email to hotmail. Perhaps whatever block
list reputation service hotmail uses (home grown at Microsoft?)
was still reporting Eastlink, Aliant, and others as having poor reputation.
To improve the reputation, the ISPs implement more agressive spam
checks, or lower the score threshold in Ironport for which emails
are quaranteed. Now more emails are being caught and quaranteed.
As we have no mechanism to be aware of the quarantee, and no interface
for releasing false positives, the term quarantee is synonymous with delete.

If one googles "ironport", "email", and "delete", you'll find hits from many University
sites which use IronPort. They are help desk pages explaining how uses can
access a web site interface and release email quaranteed as spam. Some say
their system will email users with a report on quaranteed spam. So it is
possible to notify users of this using IronPort, but for some reason
the ISPs have elected not to or they require time to develop a solution.

Does anyone have knowledge of how the ISPs respond to customer PCs
with malware sending out spam? Are they quickly denied access to
smtp? If not, perhaps they are using IronPort as a hammer
(as in: "when all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail").

This effects more than people with @eastlink and @sympatico addresses.
If your home Linux box does relay out through the ISP's smtp, it
will be potentially seeing lost email.

I know that something about my Linux box talking to smtp.eastlink.ca
is partially related to the delivery deletions. If I include the NOD32
email tagging and send out directly to smtp.eastlink.ca from Windows,
the email is delivered. If I send out via Linux, but have NOD32 not
add a tagged message, the email is delivered.

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Re: smtp relay through eastlink and ESET Nod32 tagline = disappearing email

2009-11-06T04:56:30Z

>
> For a week, Aliant tech support maintained that they didn't loose
> email, etc., etc., etc..
>
> At some point some indiscreet support person mentioned that they had
> recently moved to another server (in Ottawa I think). At that point I
> knew I had them... ;-)

I ran into this same thing a few weeks ago.

We had several customers call and complain that email they sent to many
Aliant users hadn't made it yet I could see in the logs they had
received every one of them. And it turned out that our Nagios system had
noticed that they had changed the IPs on which they receive email the
same day. Of course several of the customers didn't believe me but there
wasn't much I could do to convince them since email is really an on your
honour system and all I could do was show my logs of them accepting it.

I think a huge queue just hit the bit bucket over those days :)

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Re: EastLink hijacking DNS

2009-11-06T04:49:40Z

> Really? Is Eastlink's DNS returning something for, say, "host
> badnname.dns.com. 24.222.0.94" as well as "host
> baddnsname.dns.com.eastlink.ca 24.222.0.94"?
>
> Are you getting assigned different DNS servers by DHCP, perhaps? I'm
> assigned 24.222.0.94 and 24.222.0.95 and don't see this myself from either
>

It looks to me like they re only doing it on lookups of A records that
have a www in the front of the hostname.
Disgusting practice.

08:45:08.028531 IP 24.222.xxx.yyy.2048 > 24.222.0.94.53: 12852+ A?
www.this.host.doesnt.exist.phaze.org. (54)
08:45:08.039149 IP 24.222.0.94.53 > 24.222.xxx.yyy.2048: 12852 1/0/0 A
199.101.28.10 (70)

08:46:00.498701 IP 24.222.xxx.yyy.2048 > 24.222.0.94.53: 53558+ A?
this.host.doesnt.exist.phaze.org. (50)
08:46:00.539576 IP 24.222.0.94.53 > 24.222.xxx.yyy.2048: 53558 NXDomain
0/1/0 (95)

08:46:25.869118 IP 24.222.xxx.yyy.2048 > 24.222.0.94.53: 37887+ MX?
this.host.doesnt.exist.phaze.org (60)
08:46:25.876904 IP 24.222.0.94.53 > 24.222.xxx.yyy.2048: 37887 NXDomain
0/1/0 (105)

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Re: EastLink hijacking DNS

2009-11-05T15:48:39Z

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Hatem Nassrat wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Michael Gillie <mikegpc@...> wrote:
>> I'm sorry, But since when does Eastlink have the authority to start this
>> kind of illicit activity?
>
> OK i just found otu today that you do not have to use eastlinks dns,
> you can instead safely use: http://www.opendns.com/
>

Please be aware of OpenDNS's privacy policy before using their servers.

- -Mike
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Re: EastLink hijacking DNS

2009-11-05T14:43:36Z

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, Hatem Nassrat wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Michael Gillie <mikegpc@...> wrote:
>> I'm sorry, But since when does Eastlink have the authority to start this
>> kind of illicit activity?
>
> OK i just found otu today that you do not have to use eastlinks dns,
> you can instead safely use: http://www.opendns.com/

Or you can set up your own DNS server and not have to worry about it at
all. There's plenty of small scale DNS servers that are suitable; a dig
through http://freshmeat.net/tags/dns will turn up a few. Some of them, I
believe, will even run on Linux.

Cheers... Dop.
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Re: EastLink hijacking DNS

2009-11-05T14:14:41Z

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Michael Gillie <mikegpc@...> wrote:
> I'm sorry, But since when does Eastlink have the authority to start this
> kind of illicit activity?

OK i just found otu today that you do not have to use eastlinks dns,
you can instead safely use: http://www.opendns.com/

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Re: smtp relay through eastlink and ESET Nod32 tagline = disappearing email

2009-11-04T12:40:52Z

I experienced a similar event several years ago with Aliant.

I was administering a couple of servers for a business, and one day my tripwire and a couple of other reports did not appear in my Sympatico (home) account.

When I checked the mail logs, I could see that the mail had been accepted by the Aliant smtp server.

For a week, Aliant tech support maintained that they didn't loose email, etc., etc., etc..

At some point some indiscreet support person mentioned that they had recently moved to another server (in Ottawa I think). At that point I knew I had them... ;-)

Shortly after that I actually spoke to a system administrator and I dared him to check his logs for the Msg ID of one of the messages my logs said they had received. Well.......

His rough count was 10,000 messages received but undelivered. It took them about 10 days before I didn't notice the arrival of old mail and even then it's hard to tell whether they deliver it all or simply dumped a bunch....

My unanswerable question(s) included:

1) How many job interviews were missed?
2) How many resumes were lost?
3) How many relationships were severed (or mangled)?
4) How many people missed out on cruises, estate settlements, larger genitalia, etc..

My guess was LOTS!

D G Teed wrote:

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM, George N. White III <gnwiii@...> wrote:

There was a report on CBC radio this AM of email problems between
Eastlink and Symaptico that implied the problems were of short duration
and affected only a few users. This led to a bunch of people sending email
to report problems going back a few weeks with Eastlink and Sympatico
each blaming the other.

I wonder if Eastlink is able to butter up the media that easily
or are the media just confused by the confusing rumors they hear
and they simply repeat it all hoping it was the truth.

The problem had gone on for more than a week. My wife reported colleagues
not receiving email for at least that long between her lost email
and my most recent test of Nov 2nd.

How many people are effected is likely unknown. If you didn't receive
something you were not expecting, and there is no bounce,
how would anyone know?

I fail to see how Eastlink's Ironport on smtp.eastlink.ca for
outbound on Eastlink customers becomes an Aliant problem.
The only thing that could possibly explain the double blame is
if Aliant runs Ironport with the same settings to delete "spam".

If you don't have a guarantee that your email went *somewhere* (aside
from viruses), then email isn't very useful.

Turns out there is a Commissioner for Complaints
for Telecommunications Services:

<http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/t1003.htm>

Contact the Commissioner for Complaints for Telecommunications Services
If you’re not satisfied with your Internet service provider’s
response, check the Commissioner for Complaints for Telecommunications
Services (CCTS) website to see if your service provider is a member.
If so, contact the CCTS with your complaint.
The CCTS is an independent agency that helps resolve consumer
complaints about your telecommunications service. Contact them at:
email: info@...
mail: P.O. Box 81088, Ottawa, Ontario K1P 1B1
toll-free telephone: 1-888-221-1687
toll-free TTY: 1-877-782-2384
fax: 1-877-782-2924
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CBC interviewed the CCTS, who admitted few people know he exists.

I've dealt with the CRTC before. They are little more than an ombudsman
to ensure a complaint does receive a response. The response can bear
no semblance to reality, simply following good deductive logic of anything
stated in the enterprise's correspondence, and it is perfectly acceptable to the CRTC.

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