LZ Linux 3.3B problems

Hi!

Thank's LightCrafts for the release!!!



Downloaded on Kubuntu 7.10 and got this:

rhk@rubert:~/Ohjelmat/lightzone3.3$ ./LightZone
Preparing JRE ...
testing JVM in /home/rhk/Ohjelmat/lightzone3.3/jre ...
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
com/install4j/runtime/Launcher
rhk@rubert:~/Ohjelmat/lightzone3.3$

.. and the program did'nt start. Any ideas?

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[Markus Spring]

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I use my 3.3B under Kubuntu 7.10/32bit and it starts without flaws.

It bailed out once when I tried the noise reduction tool, but other then that it
works fine.

Are you on a 64bit platform, and did 2.4 run on this machine?

Regards - Markus
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32-bit Kubuntu on core2duo processor. Planning to change to 64-bit
Kubuntu in a month or so..

2.4 did run ok, and still does.


r


On Dec 19, 2007 10:31 AM, Markus Spring <m.spring@...> wrote:

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> I use my 3.3B under Kubuntu 7.10/32bit and it starts without flaws.
>
> It bailed out once when I tried the noise reduction tool, but other then that it
> works fine.
>
> Are you on a 64bit platform, and did 2.4 run on this machine?
>
> Regards - Markus
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[Martin Chojnowski]

LZ is very slow. I don't know why but even if I give it 2GB of RAM it
still relies very much on hard drive (entire lzcache is growing and
being used at every operation you make). I have linked lzcache to
different separate hdd it helped a bit but is still way too slow in my
opinion. After one session of abour 80 pictures lzcache is almost 5GB
?? Don't know why the heck to use hdd if I got 4gb of memory and LZ
gets 2GB of it. Looks like Java is unable to handle memory with proper
efficiency or maybe LZ is written that way.


On 19/12/2007, Risto H. Kurppa <risto@...> wrote:

> 32-bit Kubuntu on core2duo processor. Planning to change to 64-bit
> Kubuntu in a month or so..
>
> 2.4 did run ok, and still does.
>
>
> r
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2007 10:31 AM, Markus Spring <m.spring@...> wrote:
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> > I use my 3.3B under Kubuntu 7.10/32bit and it starts without flaws.
> >
> > It bailed out once when I tried the noise reduction tool, but other then that it
> > works fine.
> >
> > Are you on a 64bit platform, and did 2.4 run on this machine?
> >
> > Regards - Markus
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>
>
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[Anton Kast-2]

Isn't "Core 2 Duo" a 64-bit CPU?  It's possible LightZone is troubled  
by running 32-bit Kubuntu on a 64-bit architecture.

It would be great if you could let us know if things change after your  
Kubuntu upgrade.

Anton

On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:

> 32-bit Kubuntu on core2duo processor. Planning to change to 64-bit
> Kubuntu in a month or so..
>
> 2.4 did run ok, and still does.
>
>
> r
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2007 10:31 AM, Markus Spring <m.spring@...> wrote:
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>> I use my 3.3B under Kubuntu 7.10/32bit and it starts without flaws.
>>
>> It bailed out once when I tried the noise reduction tool, but other  
>> then that it
>> works fine.
>>
>> Are you on a 64bit platform, and did 2.4 run on this machine?
>>
>> Regards - Markus
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>> iD8DBQFHaNbkxxUzQSse11ARAjWfAJ9g8PJl1YFgb1HhCmyPF0ZFtGcMtACfbwSf
>> zsoF0FeTyuubb/4pFG+K3FU=
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>>
>
>
>
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[Anton Kast-2]

It's true that LightZone grabs file system space for caching RAW file  
conversion data under its ~/.lzncache directory.  The first RAW  
conversion on an image can take a long time for decryption and  
demosaicing.  Caching makes it faster to reopen same image after that,  
at the expense of disk space.

The size of the cache is capped at 5 GB.  After that, LightZone throws  
away the oldest data as needed.  This cap is not user-configurable,  
but it probably should be.

The two things you can do to improve this are 1) link ~/.lzncache to a  
more optimized file system, like Marcin did; and 2) try using the  
"local" cache option.  From the menu bar, go Edit->Preferences, and  
look for the "Browser Cache" option.  This lets you toggle between the  
default "global" cache location (~/.lzncache) and an alternate "local"  
cache location (many cache folders, each one in the same folder as the  
image whose data it is caching, with every folder called something  
like "LightZonePreviews").  So then you can manually delete cache  
folders you're not using, and free up some space.

Also, if you just want to clear this cache, there's another button for  
that in the same Preferences dialog.

Anton

On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:43 AM, Marcin Chojnowski wrote:

> LZ is very slow. I don't know why but even if I give it 2GB of RAM it
> still relies very much on hard drive (entire lzcache is growing and
> being used at every operation you make). I have linked lzcache to
> different separate hdd it helped a bit but is still way too slow in my
> opinion. After one session of abour 80 pictures lzcache is almost 5GB
> ?? Don't know why the heck to use hdd if I got 4gb of memory and LZ
> gets 2GB of it. Looks like Java is unable to handle memory with proper
> efficiency or maybe LZ is written that way.
>
>
> On 19/12/2007, Risto H. Kurppa <risto@...> wrote:
>> 32-bit Kubuntu on core2duo processor. Planning to change to 64-bit
>> Kubuntu in a month or so..
>>
>> 2.4 did run ok, and still does.
>>
>>
>> r
>>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2007 10:31 AM, Markus Spring <m.spring@...> wrote:
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>>
>>> I use my 3.3B under Kubuntu 7.10/32bit and it starts without flaws.
>>>
>>> It bailed out once when I tried the noise reduction tool, but  
>>> other then that it
>>> works fine.
>>>
>>> Are you on a 64bit platform, and did 2.4 run on this machine?
>>>
>>> Regards - Markus
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>>> zsoF0FeTyuubb/4pFG+K3FU=
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>>
>>
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[Markus Spring]

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Hello lightzone-linuxers, Anton,

it was a good feeling to try the new beta. A lot of interesting gui enhancements
and shortcuts (lift/apply tools is great) and good to see that lightcrafts at
least recognizes that there is a linux user base.

The beta is buggy, of course, but for this it is a beta. So now we have to find
a common solution for the bug management.

Shall we post the bugs in a certain thread here on the list or shall we use the
lightcrafts linux forum for this purpose?

Best - markus
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[Jacek Gozdz]

> Shall we post the bugs in a certain thread here on the list or shall
> we use the lightcrafts linux forum for this purpose?

I think it would be better to post a new thread "bugs" in linux section
of the forum. Everyone can read it, everyone can register and write
there, Lightcrafts will have access to the reports.

If someone does not want to register - send the bug reports to me and I
will post them there.

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[Marcel Meckel]

> > Shall we post the bugs in a certain thread here on the list or shall
> > we use the lightcrafts linux forum for this purpose?
>
> I think it would be better to post a new thread "bugs" in linux section
> of the forum. Everyone can read it, everyone can register and write
> there, Lightcrafts will have access to the reports.

that's not a good idea since in the forum it says "please do not post
bugreports here".

maybe they have a better idea if you ask them?

Marcel.

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[Jacek Gozdz]

> > > Shall we post the bugs in a certain thread here on the list or
> > > shall we use the lightcrafts linux forum for this purpose?
> >
> > I think it would be better to post a new thread "bugs" in linux
> > section of the forum. Everyone can read it, everyone can register
> > and write there, Lightcrafts will have access to the reports.
>
> that's not a good idea since in the forum it says "please do not post
> bugreports here".

I thought the same but here is what Grant Kim wrote:

"Let me clarify a bit. LightZone Linux is currently in Beta. This means
there is NO support available for LZ Linux. Linux users may use the
forum to see if other users have similar problems. Linux users may
email us to share an issue or problem, but do not expect a response.
Light Crafts development team does view the forums to look for common
issues, but cannot respond individually.

Also, we are now creating a Linux Topic here in the forums for Linux
users to communicate to each other."

They want to see hom much noise will their release do, how many users
will contribute. Then they decide what to do with linux release (that's
why there is no clear statement about policy, pricing etc.)

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[Michał 'Ijon' Rydzy]

So, if they don't want bugreports on the forum I put mine one here.

I opened .pef from Pentax K100D, edited it a bit with Styles, exported
to .jpg (successfully), pressed Ctrl+B, then LZ crashed, the .lzn
hasn't been created as I expected. I can reproduce this crash with
another file in the same directory.

Detailed Java error log is here:
http://test.ijon.info/temp/hs_err_pid10889.log, exctract from
~/.xsession-errors here: http://test.ijon.info/temp/.xsession-errors

My computer details are in Java error log.


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[Jacek Gozdz]

I was bad and posted some of your bug reports on the forum.

By the way - read the post by Scott at "linux" part of Lightzone forum
- about what they expect from linux community etc.


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[bablokb]

Am Freitag 21 Dezember 2007 09:00:26 schrieb Jacek Gozdz:
> I was bad and posted some of your bug reports on the forum.
>
> By the way - read the post by Scott at "linux" part of Lightzone forum
> - about what they expect from linux community etc.

Hi Jacek,

something you might want to add: the LightZone startup script still passes the
log-file as $prg_dir/LightZone.log. With Linux (and with Vista, they are
learning ;-) a normal user should not (and cannot) write to the directory,
where the program is installed.
A better solution is $HOME/LightZone/LightZone.log.

FYI: LightZone 3.3B just works out of the box with OpenSUSE 10.3. I have not
tried printing yet and some of the new goodies, but normal (aka 2.4)
operation works fine.

Bernhard
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[Martin Chojnowski]

Hi,

I've tried LZ on machine that it was always slow (even it's high spec
dual core CPU and 2gb of RAM) and I can see improvement. Looks like
it;s much more responsive and I hope final version will be even
better.

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