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by blck shp :: Rate this Message:

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What is the longest successful deployment of LedgerSMB? What trial and
tribulations did you go through?

Is it worth the risk migrating to LedgerSMB from Peachtree?

Why isn't LedgerSMB right for my company?

What are the major bugs keeping me from deploying LedgerSMB?

What other software would you put up against LedgerSMB for reliability?

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Re: LedgerSMB Readiness

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On 10/20/09 15:35, blck shp wrote:

>What is the longest successful deployment of LedgerSMB? What trial and
>tribulations did you go through?
>
>Is it worth the risk migrating to LedgerSMB from Peachtree?
>
>Why isn't LedgerSMB right for my company?
>
>What are the major bugs keeping me from deploying LedgerSMB?
>
>What other software would you put up against LedgerSMB for reliability?

Well, I posted several questions few weeks ago when I tried to migrate from SQL-Ledger to LedgerSMB but nobody answered my questions, and I'm familiar with
installation of LedgerSMB and SQL-Ledger.
So in real world if you get stuck you better plan for an alternative if you don't get any help.
Maybe LedgerSMB does not have many users what is why it is hard to get any help.

Just my 0.02c

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Re: LedgerSMB Readiness

by Darren Wiebe :: Rate this Message:

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Joseph wrote:

> On 10/20/09 15:35, blck shp wrote:
>  
>> What is the longest successful deployment of LedgerSMB? What trial and
>> tribulations did you go through?
>>
>> Is it worth the risk migrating to LedgerSMB from Peachtree?
>>
>> Why isn't LedgerSMB right for my company?
>>
>> What are the major bugs keeping me from deploying LedgerSMB?
>>
>> What other software would you put up against LedgerSMB for reliability?
>>    
>
> Well, I posted several questions few weeks ago when I tried to migrate from SQL-Ledger to LedgerSMB but nobody answered my questions, and I'm familiar with
> installation of LedgerSMB and SQL-Ledger.
> So in real world if you get stuck you better plan for an alternative if you don't get any help.
> Maybe LedgerSMB does not have many users what is why it is hard to get any help.
>
> Just my 0.02c
>  
In my experience if you can't get any help or need it in a hurry it's
worth talking to the developers of a project and paying them for their
assistance.  I know that with my open source project a payment is a
quick way to get my attention.

Darren Wiebe
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Re: LedgerSMB Readiness

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On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 -0500, blck shp wrote:
> What is the longest successful deployment of LedgerSMB? What trial and
> tribulations did you go through?

No idea there, but we've been using it for around 18 months or so. The
only major issue I had was getting to grips with (Ubuntu) Linux - I
hadn't touched *nix since University, 20 years ago. Getting the data
transferred from our old system required some SQL and/or programming or
spreadsheet work or such - but at least the required info is readily
available.

>
> Is it worth the risk migrating to LedgerSMB from Peachtree?

(Bearing in mind that v1.3 has quite a lot of new features above current
installations...)

No idea, not having used Peachtree. If it has all (or most of) the
features you need, I'd say give it a try. It costs nowt to have a play.

>
> Why isn't LedgerSMB right for my company?

Possibly Linux support, maybe a some key feature missing?

>
> What are the major bugs keeping me from deploying LedgerSMB?
>

Compared to 18 months ago, there are very few bugs I've come across in
v1.2.18. In fact only one I have found so far is only minor and related
to a dbase restore anyway - though I should say we don't use the project
related fetures, time cards etc.

One of the LSMB highlights is rapid development and quick bug fixes.


> What other software would you put up against LedgerSMB for reliability?

Anything that's been 100% reliable. We've never had a crash or lost any
data. I have some issues with Ubuntu upagrades, but LSMB has been rock
solid.

Cheers
Richard

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I can't answer those questions except to speak from my own
experience.

LedgerSMB is a fork of SQL-Ledger.  I have been using one
or the other for an organization I work with and for my own
businesses since about 2002, or so.

The trials I went through in the early days mostly related
to learning to administer postgresql and a cgi application.
I faced trials related to learning to use a bookkeeping
application.  In my first couple of days using it I was
frustrated until I learned that most transactions need to be
'UPDATE'd before being 'POST'ed.

The demands of my business only touch a fraction of the
feature set provided by SQL-Ledger / Ledger-SMB.  I have not
comprehensively tested its feature set.

The security vulnerabilities of SQL-Ledger were well documented
at the time of the fork and as I understand it, and were
addressed in the early days of the fork.

The development team for Ledger-SMB includes folks associated
with the postgresql project and I trust they are working
steadily to close the holes and to address the known bugs.

postgresql is a mature and rock solid database engine and I
use it for all of my original development projects these days.

I'm not sure what risks you face migrating from Peachtree,
except perhaps leaving a known platform for an unknown one.

I would recommend that you install it now, before the close of
the accounting cycle.  Continue to use your legacy system for
the balance of this fiscal year (till Dec 31st, or June 30th,
perhaps), while also plugging in those transactions to learn
the new system.

Make your switch with the new fiscal reporting cycle.

I suspect you will find that it looks and performs much like
any double-entry accounting package.  Behind perhaps unfamiliar
menu listings you will find very familiar functionality.

-- Hugh Esco
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:48:44 +0000

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   7. LedgerSMB Readiness (blck shp)
   8. Re: LedgerSMB Readiness (Joseph)

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:35:18 -0500
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Subject: [Ledger-smb-users] LedgerSMB Readiness
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What is the longest successful deployment of LedgerSMB? What
trial and tribulations did you go through?

Is it worth the risk migrating to LedgerSMB from Peachtree?

Why isn't LedgerSMB right for my company?

What are the major bugs keeping me from deploying LedgerSMB?

What other software would you put up against LedgerSMB for
reliability?


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Re: LedgerSMB Readiness

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On 10/20/09 17:54, Darren Wiebe wrote:
>In my experience if you can't get any help or need it in a hurry it's
>worth talking to the developers of a project and paying them for their
>assistance.  I know that with my open source project a payment is a
>quick way to get my attention.
>
>Darren Wiebe
>darren@...

Yes, I would defiantly pay the developer but I was expecting some answers from ordinary users. I do not believe for a second that there is nobody on the
mailing who did not come from SQL-Ledger and facing similar challenges going from one database to another.

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Re: LedgerSMB Readiness

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Joseph wrote:

> Yes, I would defiantly pay the developer but I was expecting some
> answers from ordinary users. I do not believe for a second that there is
> nobody on the mailing who did not come from SQL-Ledger and facing
> similar challenges going from one database to another.

I'm sure you're right.  It may be that, as is the case with me, most of us
who did it, did it a couple years ago.
A whole heck of a lot happens in software and databases and such in the
course of a few months, let alone a few years, and I simply don't
remember.

I know I had some problems, but what they were, whether they were
connected to the migration or just the database version, or whatever, I
simply have no idea.  I knew that I had some installation problems, but
those were rectified with a question or two to the list to clear up my
confusion.

I simply have no real idea what problems I had, and how I may have solved
them; or whether they were the fault of me, SQL-Ledger, or LedgerSMB.  I
suspect it was mostly me, because it usually is, but as I said, I just
don't remember.

I got out of SQL-Ledger as soon as I thought LedgerSMB was mature enough
to handle the needs of my business, and that was the end of that--what
ever I had to go through to perform the transition was worth it to me.

Sorry.

Luke

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Re: LedgerSMB Readiness

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Joseph wrote:

> On 10/20/09 15:35, blck shp wrote:
>> What is the longest successful deployment of LedgerSMB? What trial and
>> tribulations did you go through?
>>
>> Is it worth the risk migrating to LedgerSMB from Peachtree?
>>
>> Why isn't LedgerSMB right for my company?
>>
>> What are the major bugs keeping me from deploying LedgerSMB?
>>
>> What other software would you put up against LedgerSMB for reliability?
>
> Well, I posted several questions few weeks ago when I tried to migrate from SQL-Ledger to LedgerSMB but nobody answered my questions, and I'm familiar with
> installation of LedgerSMB and SQL-Ledger.
> So in real world if you get stuck you better plan for an alternative if you don't get any help.
> Maybe LedgerSMB does not have many users what is why it is hard to get any help.
>
> Just my 0.02c


I started with SQL-ledger around 2002 and eventually migrated to LSMB on the basis that it is better
maintained. If you didn't know, LSMB is a fork of SQL-Ledger. The maintainer of SQL-Ledger offered
an annual support service which I found to be very useful. The maintainers of LSMB are far more
approachable and I've paid for their help when I've got into trouble. (my own making for the most part).

I've not found any bugs in the subset of LSMB that I use. It's reliable and works fine. Every system
has strengths and weaknesses and unfortunately the only way to find out is to run it live for a few
months.

Previously I used MYOB. It was OK, but it was their way or the highway. I'm a fan of open source for
that reason.

For the record, over the years I've spent less money on support than I did on purchase and upgrades
for MYOB.

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Re: LedgerSMB Readiness

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, blck shp wrote:

> What is the longest successful deployment of LedgerSMB? What trial and
> tribulations did you go through?

Most of my trials and tribulations were of my own making

The most significant bugs I noticed with LedgerSMB itself, were
non-critical errors.  Example: "NaN" showing up as a credit limit value
when it should have been a negative number.  Example: weird problems with
orders not representing items and such correctly, under certain
circumstances with long orders.
Other things like that.  I have never, that I can recall, had an actual
accounting problem in relation to LedgerSMB.

> Is it worth the risk migrating to LedgerSMB from Peachtree?

Personally, if I was in that situation, I might hold off until 1.3 is
released, at least in beta.

There are usability issues which some people used to non-web-interface
products will have.  Not everything is labeled well enough for
non-accountants.  There are an insufficient number of pre-designed
transactions.  What I mean by that (this is only an example with no basis
in reality): let's say that in QuickBooks, you can enter a money order,
which is really a multi step transaction series involving possibly two
vendors and a couple of different dates, as a single transaction, by
clicking "money order".  (as far as I know, you can't.)
If you want to move money between two bank accounts, you have to do a full
transaction, whereas in WYSIWYG accounting packages you could just do a
"bank transfer" or something.
You can't create vendors and customers from invoice, order, and product
screens.  That is a real PITA.

I have had these kind of comments from QuickBooks users who have had to
use LedgerSMB--I imagine that the same would be true for PeachTree users.

In short, the average employee has to understand more about double entry
accounting, than the average employee generally understands about double
entry accounting, in order to use the software effectively.

Maybe that is different in 1.3: I have no idea, having not tried it.

> Why isn't LedgerSMB right for my company?

See above, with the understanding that it may all be invalidated by the
new interface.

> What are the major bugs keeping me from deploying LedgerSMB?

Look at the Sourceforge bug tracker.

> What other software would you put up against LedgerSMB for reliability?

Hmm.  The backend, nothing.  I have administered QuickBooks systems for
windowsie clients, and even with the improvements to their DBM, it doesn't
hold a candle.  I have no idea what PeachTree uses.

That's the real reliability factor, and I don't really know how it could
be improved upon.

In general, I would commend the comments by Hugh Esco.

Luke

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Re: LedgerSMB Readiness

by Janeks Kamerovskis-3 :: Rate this Message:

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I have short story:
Last year (2008) I installed SQL-ledger for some demo purposes, but as I
have very small clue in accounting at that time and no need for real
usage. It just sat on my PC without use. Installing was not easy as at
that time I have small experience in Linux. I got also some help from
mailing list, that fits to my problems.
In the beginning of this year (thanks to the crisis) I needed some
software from my accounting. At that time I also found LedgerSMB and
decided to use it. Now I am feeling quite comfortably with it and
accounting. But I need mostly AP and AR part with some money
transactions.
The support from users and developers from this list is o'k - let's say
4,5 from 5 points. I got most answers what I needed within a day. Some I
asked twice and got the answer. But it could be also that I have some
problems from my side in questions regarding language (I am not native
English speaker) and have only superficial knowledge in accounting.
About trials I would agree with Hugh Esco - went through the same. And
if you move from a desktop application, you (and your other users) will
need to learn how the web pages in this case works. Also I would
recommend to make trial installation and make a trial accounting.
Note on web browsers - had some issues with IE when using non English.

brgds
Janeks


On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 -0500, blck shp wrote:

> What is the longest successful deployment of LedgerSMB? What trial and
> tribulations did you go through?
>
> Is it worth the risk migrating to LedgerSMB from Peachtree?
>
> Why isn't LedgerSMB right for my company?
>
> What are the major bugs keeping me from deploying LedgerSMB?
>
> What other software would you put up against LedgerSMB for reliability?
>
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by Bugzilla from jos@ardispark.nl :: Rate this Message:

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> What is the longest successful deployment of LedgerSMB? What trial and
> tribulations did you go through?
I have been running LedgerSMB since early this year. I found the installation
procedure complicated, but I succeeded without too much hassle. I remember
setting up accounts was a bit of a mess at first.

> What are the major bugs keeping me from deploying LedgerSMB?
I have not come across any major bugs so far. There are some annoying rounding
errors here and there (an invoice sent to the client for € 100,00 may end up
in the books as € 100,01). Occasionally, I get an error message about
something being empty, but I know I should log out and back in again to get it
to work again, which is done in seconds.

> What other software would you put up against LedgerSMB for reliability?
I had been using osFinancials for some years before. The main reason I was
looking for a replacement for my previous system was that I wanted the system
to run on a separate server. Before that I was using a dedicated machine. I
experimented with putting the database on a separate server, but that was a
failure. However, apart from being web-based, LedgerSMB brought many more
improvements. The workflow is much more intuitive. The dialogs are clear and
uncluttered. The reports are always clear about what they present. Correcting
a mistake is straightforward. These may seem simple demands, but the previous
system was an outright horror compared to this.

> Why isn't LedgerSMB right for my company?
Using LedgerSMB takes some programming skills to set up and modify, if you
want to get the most out of it. If your company currently has none at all of
these, using the system, or getting it to work at all, may get to be
frustrating.
I'll give an example. Standard documents, in LedgerSMB, come in LaTeX format.
Just as with my previous system, I built a little database query in
OpenOffice.org that takes the data from the PostgreSQL database and presents it
for use in standard invoices and quotations. That didn't cause many problems
(it was an evening's work) and I preferred to continue using OpenOffice over
learning LaTeX. I have built other extensions to LedgerSMB that perform CRM-
type actions. But I'm not a skilled programmer.

> Is it worth the risk migrating to LedgerSMB from Peachtree?
The risk from migrating can, and should, be mitigated by running two systems
in parallel for a while, then comparing the outcomes from time to time. Yes,
that means twice the amount of work and a bit of self-discipline. But it will
lead to better understanding and a better decision-making process.

Jos.

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