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List of CF compatible hardware
by vaded
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Hey list,
It's been kind of quiet here lately. Anyway, I remember I had previously come across a list of hardware tested to work with CF (I think it was version 1 but that's okay). Does anyone remember and have the url for what I'm talking about? Thanks. And if you have any recent hardware experiences with CF 2 please do share. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by Nick Maroudas-2
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Quoting vaded@...:
>... " Hey list, >... " >... " It's been kind of quiet here lately. Nick here: I think the action has moved to CF in Winwrapper, with a Linux wrapper promised. These ought to solve the problem of compatibility - except for those few who want to run native for the sake of direct hardware control. >... " >... " Anyway, I remember I had previously come across a list >... " of hardware >... " tested to work with CF (I think it was version 1 but >... " that's okay). Does >... " anyone remember and have the url for what I'm talking >... " about? Thanks. Nick here: The only list I remember is a little one by CMoore 2001 but that's old equipment. I put Josh Grams's CF05 onto a new 64bit Intel P45 board, but I had to specially order a box with a floppy drive! Also graphics block 30? needed tweaking, as I posted. >... " And if you have any recent hardware experiences with CF >... " 2 please do >... " share. >... " Nick here: Very pleased with CF on 64 bit P45, even the legacy printer port seems to run much faster. My main problems now are mundane not CF: 1. I want a Tellasys demo board, but it costs 500$ and that is now twice as much as was six months ago (in our British pound sterling). 2. Shortage of time ant surplus of competing commitments. Caritas, Nick **************************** Why rob a bank and commit a crime when it's perfectly legal to own a bank and rob your customers? ***** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by Albert van der Horst
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On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 12:35:37PM +0300, Nick Maroudas wrote:
<SNIP> > Nick here: Very pleased with CF on 64 bit P45, even the legacy > printer port seems to run much faster. My main problems now > are mundane not CF: 1. I want a Tellasys demo board, but it > costs 500$ and that is now twice as much as was six months ago > (in our British pound sterling). 2. Shortage of time ant > surplus of competing commitments. It actually exists. We had one presented at a Dutch Forth chapter meeting. But I fear that the the availabity will dwindle very soon. I remember how I never managed to lay hands on a 32 bit Patriot board. It is all a patents scam. > Caritas, > > Nick Groetjes Albert -- Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters. albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by vaded
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"It is all a patents scam."
I don't follow? On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:08:38 +0200, "Albert van der Horst" <albert@...> said: > On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 12:35:37PM +0300, Nick Maroudas wrote: > <SNIP> > > Nick here: Very pleased with CF on 64 bit P45, even the legacy > > printer port seems to run much faster. My main problems now > > are mundane not CF: 1. I want a Tellasys demo board, but it > > costs 500$ and that is now twice as much as was six months ago > > (in our British pound sterling). 2. Shortage of time ant > > surplus of competing commitments. > > It actually exists. We had one presented at a Dutch Forth chapter > meeting. But I fear that the the availabity will dwindle very > soon. I remember how I never managed to lay hands on a 32 bit > Patriot board. It is all a patents scam. > > > Caritas, > > > > Nick > > Groetjes Albert > > -- > Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS > Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters. > albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Another Crazy Colorforth Project
by David Goehrig
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Speaking of what hardware CF runs on, I've recently demoed my new colorforth inspired environment here in Buffalo, and am taking names and email addresses for a closed beta (launched this month).
I took some inspiration from Brad Nelson's Rainbow Forth and Charles Chidlers's Retro forth, and I've implemented a colorforth like language compiler in javascript. Unlike Rainbow and Retro, you program a colorforth in a webbrowser and then press CMD-C to compile it to a native binary, (CMD-E evaluates). Intel x86 is currently working, and I'm going to finish up the AVR32 this month before the official launch. I've also got a Javascript/Self style object model working with the compiler, so editing objects uses a simple slot based structured editor, and inheritence is prototype based which works very well with Forth idioms. As an added bonus, I'm working on a translator that allows you to type Javascript and have it auto converted to Newscript. So you can build objects in a shared programming environment, and then compile them to native or emulate in the browser depending on if you want speed or not. For the time being, I'm only supporting Safari and Firefox, (IE will probably never work), and I'm producing native binaries for Linux, *BSD, and Mac OS X. You can also produce raw binary images for use on embedded hardware, or for dedicated machines. The x86 compiler is 129 lines of javascript, and can be ported to any other architecture with 44 lines of code. It runs fast enough that compilation of pretty much every program I've written, including a native newscript compiler in newscript, is practically instantaneous. My goal for this project is to put a powerful compiler in the hands of every kid with a webbrowser. More over, you don't need to install any software to run it, so you can create binaries on a public library computer. Also as the tool is collaborative, multiple kids can all work on the same project at once, which will help them teach each other. Ultimately, a system like this is terribly disruptive of the current industry model of computing. It bring Forth to the masses :) Dave PS. If anyone on this list is interested in helping out with the beta, let me know. I'd like to have this launched soon. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by Albert van der Horst
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On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:08:47PM -0600, vaded@... wrote:
> "It is all a patents scam." > > I don't follow? Oops. This is something that could easily be misunderstood. What I mean is: I fear that Chuck Moore is in a situation that his work is abused by TPL to extort patent money from other companies, instead that the patents protect him while earning money with making and programming chips. (I was especially shocked to hear they don't even bother to handle the wafers carefully.) Groetjes Albert -- Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters. albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by vaded
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Nothing personal, but I've never seen any reference to Chuck Moore being
dissatisfied with the TPL Group. As far as I know, Mr. Moore consented happily to whole arrangement. I've heard qualified people comment on the TPL Group before -- they are no patent troll. How did you come to the conclusion that the arrangement is exploitative of him? On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 01:33:32 +0200, "Albert van der Horst" <albert@...> said: > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:08:47PM -0600, vaded@... wrote: > > "It is all a patents scam." > > > > I don't follow? > > Oops. This is something that could easily be misunderstood. > What I mean is: > I fear that Chuck Moore is in a situation that his work > is abused by TPL to extort patent money from other companies, instead > that the patents protect him while earning money with making and > programming chips. > > (I was especially shocked to hear they don't even bother to handle > the wafers carefully.) > > Groetjes Albert > > -- > Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS > Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters. > albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by vaded
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I stand corrected.
Thank you very much for the information. This is sad. Mr. Moore, Mr. Fox, et al have done so much innovating -- you think they would have had smooth sailing but instead there is obstacles at every corner. What a shame. On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:58:59 -0700 (PDT), "Dennis Wilson" <dennisleewilson@...> said: > > At http://www.colorforth.com/ Charles Moore has posted this: > > Moore v TPL > My association with TPL has resulted in a lawsuit. More precisely, a > Demand for Arbitration. > > I have been threatened by TPL if I don't remove this page. Upon due > consideration, I will not. > > Patriot has also asked that I remove this page. I'm thinking about it. > > And my lawyer doesn't like my posting the ComAg. I'm thinking about it. > There's a quotation attributed to Burke: "All that is required for evil > to triumph is for good men to do nothing." > > If you click on the MOORE VS TPL link, you get to > http://www.colorforth.com/vTPL.htm where there is more detail. > ---------------------------------- > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, vaded@... <vaded@...> wrote: > > From: vaded@... <vaded@...> > Subject: Re: [colorforth] List of CF compatible hardware > To: colorforth@... > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > Nothing personal, but I've never seen any reference to Chuck Moore being > dissatisfied with the TPL Group. As far as I know, Mr. Moore consented > happily to whole arrangement. I've heard qualified people comment on > the TPL Group before -- they are no patent troll. How did you come to > the conclusion that the arrangement is exploitative of him? > > On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 01:33:32 +0200, "Albert van der Horst" > <albert@...> said: > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:08:47PM -0600, vaded@... wrote: > > > "It is all a patents scam." > > > > > > I don't follow? > > > > Oops. This is something that could easily be misunderstood. > > What I mean is: > > I fear that Chuck Moore is in a situation that his work > > is abused by TPL to extort patent money from other companies, instead > > that the patents protect him while earning money with making and > > programming chips. > > > > (I was especially shocked to hear they don't even bother to handle > > the wafers carefully.) > > > > Groetjes Albert > > > > -- > > Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS > > Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters. > > albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by vaded
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http://www.colorforth.com/vTPL.htm
is deleted now, and no record of it on the web archive page must be what Mr. Moore or his lawyer wants. Good luck to them. moral of the story: be careful who you chose as your biz partner? moral of the story: when you do something good, others will try and exploit you under the guise of partnership? but a more ontopic question: does anyone have a sense of how difficult it would be to implement ascii compatibility in CF? end application would be implementing the http protocol on a webserver, written in CF On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:58:59 -0700 (PDT), "Dennis Wilson" <dennisleewilson@...> said: > > At http://www.colorforth.com/ Charles Moore has posted this: > > Moore v TPL > My association with TPL has resulted in a lawsuit. More precisely, a > Demand for Arbitration. > > I have been threatened by TPL if I don't remove this page. Upon due > consideration, I will not. > > Patriot has also asked that I remove this page. I'm thinking about it. > > And my lawyer doesn't like my posting the ComAg. I'm thinking about it. > There's a quotation attributed to Burke: "All that is required for evil > to triumph is for good men to do nothing." > > If you click on the MOORE VS TPL link, you get to > http://www.colorforth.com/vTPL.htm where there is more detail. > ---------------------------------- > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, vaded@... <vaded@...> wrote: > > From: vaded@... <vaded@...> > Subject: Re: [colorforth] List of CF compatible hardware > To: colorforth@... > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > Nothing personal, but I've never seen any reference to Chuck Moore being > dissatisfied with the TPL Group. As far as I know, Mr. Moore consented > happily to whole arrangement. I've heard qualified people comment on > the TPL Group before -- they are no patent troll. How did you come to > the conclusion that the arrangement is exploitative of him? > > On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 01:33:32 +0200, "Albert van der Horst" > <albert@...> said: > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:08:47PM -0600, vaded@... wrote: > > > "It is all a patents scam." > > > > > > I don't follow? > > > > Oops. This is something that could easily be misunderstood. > > What I mean is: > > I fear that Chuck Moore is in a situation that his work > > is abused by TPL to extort patent money from other companies, instead > > that the patents protect him while earning money with making and > > programming chips. > > > > (I was especially shocked to hear they don't even bother to handle > > the wafers carefully.) > > > > Groetjes Albert > > > > -- > > Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS > > Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters. > > albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by David Goehrig
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On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 03:25:53PM -0600, vaded@... wrote:
> does anyone have a sense of how difficult it would be to implement ascii > compatibility in CF? Do you mean editing ascii in CF, processing ascii with CF, or displaying ascii in CF? Translating to/from ascii is really just a 128 byte lookup table, and a couple words. > end application would be implementing the http > protocol on a webserver, written in CF Are you planning on using an OS's TCP/IP stack, or are you writing your own? Dave --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by John Comeau
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:25 PM, <vaded@...> wrote:
> does anyone have a sense of how difficult it would be to implement ascii > compatibility in CF? end application would be implementing the http > protocol on a webserver, written in CF > I would think a useful approach would be to write an ANS compatibility layer for CF. Then you could do anything with it, including a webserver, that you can do with any other Forth. I was working on this when other pressing matters pushed it to the back burner. Of course, the TCP/IP stack, or a working subset thereof, will probably have to be written from the NIC interface on up the ladder. -- John Comeau <jc@...> http://jc.unternet.net/ "A place for everything, and everything all over the place" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: List of CF compatible hardware
by vaded
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The project is still in the planning phase. I'm trying to see if I can
coerce two colleagues of mine to join it. Thanks for the reply. We would be writing our own TCP/IP stack. Didn't Chuck say something about how he is going to write a web browser one day? On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:28:34 -0400, "David J. Goehrig" <dave@...> said: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 03:25:53PM -0600, vaded@... wrote: > > does anyone have a sense of how difficult it would be to implement ascii > > compatibility in CF? > > Do you mean editing ascii in CF, processing ascii with CF, or displaying > ascii in CF? Translating to/from ascii is really just a 128 byte lookup > table, > and a couple words. > > > end application would be implementing the http > > protocol on a webserver, written in CF > > Are you planning on using an OS's TCP/IP stack, or are you writing your > own? > > Dave > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... > Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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colorforth.com
by vaded
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The colorforth website was updated in April several times -- the last
two changes I noted were on Apr. 14th and Apr. 17th (based on the date Mr. Moore wrote on the top of the page). However, I didn't notice what changed on the 14th or the 17th -- am I missing something? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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Re: colorforth.com
by Roger Ivie
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, vaded@... wrote:
> The colorforth website was updated in April several times -- the last > two changes I noted were on Apr. 14th and Apr. 17th (based on the date > Mr. Moore wrote on the top of the page). However, I didn't notice what > changed on the 14th or the 17th -- am I missing something? I don't know about those specific days, but information describing Chuck Moore's legal trouble was put up, expanded upon, then taken down. -- roger ivie rivie@... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: colorforth-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: colorforth-help@... Main web page - http://www.colorforth.com |
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