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by Thorsten Wilms :: Rate this Message:

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Hi!

Plugin and host authors and those who happen to know this: please reply
with at least 1 host or plugin(-set) and the provided or required
features/extensions.

I will then see that all that appears on the wiki.

If Dave provides a template, I should be able to write the RDF files for
the hosts.


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by David Robillard-3 :: Rate this Message:

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On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 21:25 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Plugin and host authors and those who happen to know this: please reply
> with at least 1 host or plugin(-set) and the provided or required
> features/extensions.
>
> I will then see that all that appears on the wiki.
>
> If Dave provides a template, I should be able to write the RDF files for
> the hosts.

Do not bother with plugins, as this information is already in the RDF
for plugins.

For hosts, we just need to know what extensions are supported (by URI)
as of what version.

Cheers,

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zynjacku-5 (synth host):

rtmempool - http://home.gna.org/lv2dynparam/rtmempool/v1
uri_map - http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/uri-map
event ports - http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/event
dynparams - http://home.gna.org/lv2dynparam/v1
contexts - http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/contexts
msgcontext - http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/contexts#MessageContext
stringport - http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/string-port#StringTransfer
progress - http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/progress
external_ui - http://lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui#external
gtk_ui - http://lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui#GtkUI"
dynmanifest - http://naspro.atheme.org/rdf/old-dman#DynManifest


lv2rack-5 (effect host):

rtmempool - http://home.gna.org/lv2dynparam/rtmempool/v1
dynparams - http://home.gna.org/lv2dynparam/v1
contexts - http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/contexts
msgcontext - http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/contexts#MessageContext
stringport - http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/string-port#StringTransfer
progress - http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/progress
external_ui - http://lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui#external
gtk_ui - http://lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui#GtkUI"
dynmanifest - http://naspro.atheme.org/rdf/old-dman#DynManifest


Notes:
 * For both zynjacku and lv2rack, dynparams and rtmempool (currently
   part of dynparams) extensions are available only if configure
   detected them.
 * Dynmanifest support in version 5 (and maybe even for latest git) is
   for an old version of dynmanifest.
 * The context, msgcontext and stringport extension support may be
   suboptimal. It was introduced in order to support calf plugins.

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by Stefano D'Angelo :: Rate this Message:

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2009/11/8 Nedko Arnaudov <nedko@...>:
>  * Dynmanifest support in version 5 (and maybe even for latest git) is
>   for an old version of dynmanifest.

Git version is for the current version ;-)

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by David Robillard-3 :: Rate this Message:

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On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 21:25 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Plugin and host authors and those who happen to know this: please reply
> with at least 1 host or plugin(-set) and the provided or required
> features/extensions.
>
> I will then see that all that appears on the wiki.
>
> If Dave provides a template, I should be able to write the RDF files for
> the hosts.

Here is a specification for this:

http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info.lv2/host-info.html

There's an example in the docs.

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by David Robillard-3 :: Rate this Message:

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On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 21:25 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Plugin and host authors and those who happen to know this: please reply
> with at least 1 host or plugin(-set) and the provided or required
> features/extensions.
>
> I will then see that all that appears on the wiki.
>
> If Dave provides a template, I should be able to write the RDF files for
> the hosts.

Here are two:

http://svn.drobilla.net/lad/trunk/ingen/ingen.ttl
http://subversion.ardour.org/svn/ardour2/branches/3.0/ardour-3.ttl

Anyone interested in helping, all we need is one of these for every app

Cheers,

-dr

P.S. The DOAP stuff (other than doap:name) isn't necessary, but I
figured I might as well make a decent description while I'm at it.  Some
day I'll write some scripts to extract ChangeLog, NEWS, README, and all
the rest from a single nice description file...




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Re: List of LV2 hosts, plugins and features, add yours here

by Nedko Arnaudov :: Rate this Message:

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Nedko Arnaudov <nedko@...> writes:
As Gabriel spotted, I've missed some obvious extensions:

midi_event - http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/midi#MidiEvent
midi_port - http://ll-plugins.nongnu.org/lv2/ext/MidiPort

midi_port is deprecated, midi_event should be used for new plugins.

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by Thorsten Wilms :: Rate this Message:

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Hi!

So here's a preliminary zynjacku.ttl attached.

I would really like to see
http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info#sinceVersion
used, but that would be left to Nedko in this case. Or a source/release
archaeologist. Though, there's a question: one ttl per host, or per host
version?

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@prefix doap: <http://usefulinc.com/ns/doap#> .
@prefix rdf:  <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
@prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> .
@prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .
@prefix hi:   <http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info#> .

<http://home.gna.org/zynjacku/software/ingen> a doap:Project, hi:Host ;
    doap:name "Zynjacku" ;
    doap:revision "5.0" ;
    doap:shortdesc "A host for LV2 Plugins." ;
    doap:homepage <http://home.gna.org/zynjacku/> ;
    doap:bug-database <https://gna.org/bugs/?group=zynjacku> ;
    doap:license <http://usefulinc.com/doap/licenses/gpl> ;
    doap:developer [
        a foaf:Person ;
        foaf:name "Nedko Arnaudov" ;
        rdfs:seeAlso <http://nedko.arnaudov.name/foaf.rdf> ;
        foaf:mbox <mailto:nedko@...> ;
        foaf:mbox_sha1sum "0eec3ceb427be759748f6693a6663a0b" ;
        foaf:homepage <http://nedko.arnaudov.name/> ;
    ] ;
    doap:developer [
        a foaf:Person ;
        foaf:name "Krzysztof Foltman" ;
        foaf:mbox <mailto:wdev@...> ;
        foaf:mbox_sha1sum "335c21a4a6d1b0e8f0295fbf494bc89e" ;
        foaf:homepage <http://www.linkedin.com/in/kfoltman> ;
    ] ;
    doap:programming-language "C", "Python" ;
    doap:repository [
        a doap:GitRepository ;
        doap:location <http://repo.or.cz/w/zynjacku.git>
    ] ;
    hi:supportsExtension [
        hi:extension <http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/contexts> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/contexts#MessageContext> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://naspro.atheme.org/rdf/old-dman#DynManifest> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/event> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://home.gna.org/lv2dynparam/v1> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://home.gna.org/lv2dynparam/rtmempool/v1> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/midi#MidiEvent> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://ll-plugins.nongnu.org/lv2/ext/MidiPort> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/progress> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/string-port#StringTransfer> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui#external> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui#GtkUI> ;
    ] , [
        hi:extension <http://lv2plug.in/ns/ext/uri-map> ;
    ] ;
    doap:description """
Zynjacku is JACK based, GTK (2.x) host for LV2 synths. It has one JACK MIDI
input port (routed to all hosted synths) and one (two for stereo synths)
JACK audio output port per plugin. Such design provides multi-timbral sound by
running several synth plugins.

Zynjacku is a nunchaku weapon for JACK audio synthesis. You have solid parts
for synthesis itself and you have flexible part that allows synthesis to suit
your needs.
""" .

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by David Robillard-3 :: Rate this Message:

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On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 18:47 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> Hi!
>
> So here's a preliminary zynjacku.ttl attached.
>
> I would really like to see
> http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info#sinceVersion
> used, but that would be left to Nedko in this case. Or a source/release
> archaeologist. Though, there's a question: one ttl per host, or per host
> version?

Typically one file with a bunch of versions listed.

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by David Robillard-3 :: Rate this Message:

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On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 17:00 -0500, David Robillard wrote:

> On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 21:25 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Plugin and host authors and those who happen to know this: please reply
> > with at least 1 host or plugin(-set) and the provided or required
> > features/extensions.
> >
> > I will then see that all that appears on the wiki.
> >
> > If Dave provides a template, I should be able to write the RDF files for
> > the hosts.
>
> Here is a specification for this:
>
> http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info.lv2/host-info.html

Notes on this discovered in the process of working on a documentation
generator:

Plugins describe their support for features, not really extensions.
"Extension" is a bit of a meaningless term, the concrete things that can
be "required" by a plugin are features.  I'll probably need to modify
this vocabulary to reflect this.

The version stuff is also a bit under-specified, looking into that I see
that basically everything using doap:revision (e.g. in lv2.ttl) is
incorrect according to the doap vocabulary...

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Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@...> writes:

> Hi!
>
> So here's a preliminary zynjacku.ttl attached.
>
> I would really like to see
> http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info#sinceVersion
> used, but that would be left to Nedko in this case. Or a source/release
> archaeologist. Though, there's a question: one ttl per host, or per host
> version?

I already have zynjacku.rdf that is an application/xml+rdf
I dont want to maintain two versions of almost same metadata.
rapper cannot convert properly between the two.
I've been told that my firefox plugin for doap inspection is "a shitty
tool".
So I give up, I'm not going to participate in web 2.0 wars, sorry.
Either lv2 host aggregator should support xml rdf, or turtle should
become more used for doap. Until then, don't count on me.

If someone decides to use the Thorsten`s zynjacku.tll (thanks for
creating it!), there are some (and maybe more) problems with it:

 * it uses uri containing "ingen" for zynjacku
 * it does not use the right name for the project. It is "zynjacku", not
   "Zynjacku"
 * it does not describe the two hosts under same project, the synth host
   and the effect host (lv2rack).

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by David Robillard-3 :: Rate this Message:

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On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 23:46 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:

> Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@...> writes:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > So here's a preliminary zynjacku.ttl attached.
> >
> > I would really like to see
> > http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info#sinceVersion
> > used, but that would be left to Nedko in this case. Or a source/release
> > archaeologist. Though, there's a question: one ttl per host, or per host
> > version?
>
> I already have zynjacku.rdf that is an application/xml+rdf
> I dont want to maintain two versions of almost same metadata.
> rapper cannot convert properly between the two.

Of course it can.  Why not?

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David Robillard <dave@...> writes:

> On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 23:46 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:
>> Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@...> writes:
>>
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > So here's a preliminary zynjacku.ttl attached.
>> >
>> > I would really like to see
>> > http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info#sinceVersion
>> > used, but that would be left to Nedko in this case. Or a source/release
>> > archaeologist. Though, there's a question: one ttl per host, or per host
>> > version?
>>
>> I already have zynjacku.rdf that is an application/xml+rdf
>> I dont want to maintain two versions of almost same metadata.
>> rapper cannot convert properly between the two.
>
> Of course it can.  Why not?
It changes the order ot triples. I agree that it should not matter and
tools should be smarter. Still this does not solve the problem.

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On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 00:25 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:

> David Robillard <dave@...> writes:
>
> > On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 23:46 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:
> >> Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@...> writes:
> >>
> >> > Hi!
> >> >
> >> > So here's a preliminary zynjacku.ttl attached.
> >> >
> >> > I would really like to see
> >> > http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info#sinceVersion
> >> > used, but that would be left to Nedko in this case. Or a source/release
> >> > archaeologist. Though, there's a question: one ttl per host, or per host
> >> > version?
> >>
> >> I already have zynjacku.rdf that is an application/xml+rdf
> >> I dont want to maintain two versions of almost same metadata.
> >> rapper cannot convert properly between the two.
> >
> > Of course it can.  Why not?
>
> It changes the order ot triples. I agree that it should not matter and
> tools should be smarter. Still this does not solve the problem.

What tool actually cares about this?

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David Robillard <dave@...> writes:

> On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 00:25 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:
>> David Robillard <dave@...> writes:
>>
>> > On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 23:46 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:
>> >> Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@...> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi!
>> >> >
>> >> > So here's a preliminary zynjacku.ttl attached.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would really like to see
>> >> > http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info#sinceVersion
>> >> > used, but that would be left to Nedko in this case. Or a source/release
>> >> > archaeologist. Though, there's a question: one ttl per host, or per host
>> >> > version?
>> >>
>> >> I already have zynjacku.rdf that is an application/xml+rdf
>> >> I dont want to maintain two versions of almost same metadata.
>> >> rapper cannot convert properly between the two.
>> >
>> > Of course it can.  Why not?
>>
>> It changes the order ot triples. I agree that it should not matter and
>> tools should be smarter. Still this does not solve the problem.
>
> What tool actually cares about this?
I use this plugin:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3886

It displays doap through http://sparql.captsolo.net/browser/browser.py

Compare http://sparql.captsolo.net/browser/browser.py?url=http%3A//home.gna.org/zynjacku/zynjacku.rdf
with    http://sparql.captsolo.net/browser/browser.py?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnedko.arnaudov.name%2Fzynjacku.rdf

The later one is generated from turtle. At first glance it looks that
rapper sorts the entries.

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On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 00:32 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:

> David Robillard <dave@...> writes:
>
> > On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 00:25 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:
> >> David Robillard <dave@...> writes:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 23:46 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:
> >> >> Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@...> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So here's a preliminary zynjacku.ttl attached.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I would really like to see
> >> >> > http://lv2plug.in/ns/dev/host-info#sinceVersion
> >> >> > used, but that would be left to Nedko in this case. Or a source/release
> >> >> > archaeologist. Though, there's a question: one ttl per host, or per host
> >> >> > version?
> >> >>
> >> >> I already have zynjacku.rdf that is an application/xml+rdf
> >> >> I dont want to maintain two versions of almost same metadata.
> >> >> rapper cannot convert properly between the two.
> >> >
> >> > Of course it can.  Why not?
> >>
> >> It changes the order ot triples. I agree that it should not matter and
> >> tools should be smarter. Still this does not solve the problem.
> >
> > What tool actually cares about this?
>
> I use this plugin:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3886
>
> It displays doap through http://sparql.captsolo.net/browser/browser.py
>
> Compare http://sparql.captsolo.net/browser/browser.py?url=http%3A//home.gna.org/zynjacku/zynjacku.rdf
> with    http://sparql.captsolo.net/browser/browser.py?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnedko.arnaudov.name%2Fzynjacku.rdf
>
> The later one is generated from turtle. At first glance it looks that
> rapper sorts the entries.

Some random web tool having a crappy output layout format is hardly the
fault of LV2, raptor, Turtle, or anything else but that tool, obviously.

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David Robillard <dave@...> writes:

> Some random web tool having a crappy output layout format is hardly the
> fault of LV2, raptor, Turtle, or anything else but that tool, obviously.

Yes, I got that the tool I use is crappy. How ignoring the problem
solves it? I havent said that it is LV2 fault. I complained about
evident turtle/xmlrdf schism. And I declared that I dont want to
participate in web 2.0 wars. I have better things to do.

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Nedko Arnaudov <nedko@...> wrote:
> Yes, I got that the tool I use is crappy. How ignoring the problem
> solves it? I havent said that it is LV2 fault. I complained about
> evident turtle/xmlrdf schism. And I declared that I dont want to
> participate in web 2.0 wars. I have better things to do.

Marvellous

I'm going to write an adventure game called "Web 2.0 Wars: The Turtle Schism".


Chris

and no, I'm not.
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On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 00:41 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:
> David Robillard <dave@...> writes:
>
> > Some random web tool having a crappy output layout format is hardly the
> > fault of LV2, raptor, Turtle, or anything else but that tool, obviously.
>
> Yes, I got that the tool I use is crappy. How ignoring the problem
> solves it? I havent said that it is LV2 fault. I complained about
> evident turtle/xmlrdf schism. And I declared that I dont want to
> participate in web 2.0 wars. I have better things to do.

I don't know.  Perhaps there is a better visualizer out there?  If you
are attached to this thing and consider it important (for some reason I
really don't understand) then just maintain the document in a way that
works well with it and automatically convert to turtle, instead of the
other way around.

As far as the 'schism' goes, turtle is a W3C 'team submission' now, on
track to be a recommendation with a registered MIME type and all that.
Support is pretty widespread, and increasing.  It's not really a schism,
absolutely everybody despises the mess that is rdf/xml ;)

-dr


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Re: List of LV2 hosts, plugins and features, add yours here

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David Robillard <dave@...> writes:

> On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 00:41 +0200, Nedko Arnaudov wrote:
>> David Robillard <dave@...> writes:
>>
>> > Some random web tool having a crappy output layout format is hardly the
>> > fault of LV2, raptor, Turtle, or anything else but that tool, obviously.
>>
>> Yes, I got that the tool I use is crappy. How ignoring the problem
>> solves it? I havent said that it is LV2 fault. I complained about
>> evident turtle/xmlrdf schism. And I declared that I dont want to
>> participate in web 2.0 wars. I have better things to do.
>
> I don't know.  Perhaps there is a better visualizer out there?  If you
> are attached to this thing and consider it important (for some reason I
> really don't understand) then just maintain the document in a way that
> works well with it and automatically convert to turtle, instead of the
> other way around.
>
> As far as the 'schism' goes, turtle is a W3C 'team submission' now, on
> track to be a recommendation with a registered MIME type and all that.
> Support is pretty widespread, and increasing.  It's not really a schism,
> absolutely everybody despises the mess that is rdf/xml ;)
Thanks for being constructive. I've used doap:implements to link project
with host applications. Is it appropriate? Here is the output of rapper,
contains some strange stuff but the host-info seems to be fine.

http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/zynjacku/website/zynjacku.ttl?rev=203

If this ttl is suitable for use in the extension matrix, I'll dig the
changelog and describe extension support changes though releases.

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Nedko Arnaudov <GnuPG KeyID: DE1716B0>


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