Loading boat on trailer

[Rob Lowe]

We pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day as we only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of a time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat would lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow sailor that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered enough to come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort of guides on the trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought is I replaced the all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the slot between them too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the boat on the trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?  How far do you all submerge your trailer?!
   I have to about submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far enough forward on the trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob

S/V Getaway
1976 Rhodes 22


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[R22RumRunner]

This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the  
trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the  
centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards, breaking it into
many  pieces.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rlowe@... writes:

We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top  
of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow sailor  
that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so  
donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still  
relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
submerge your trailer?!
I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob

S/V Getaway
1976 Rhodes  22


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[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

Pray tell, who is the skipper of Getaway?

Next question - Is your trailer a Triad?  I am guessing not.  Not an unusual problem and not a terribly difficule solution if it is not.

I will await your response.

Art
s/v Mary Jane

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>From: R22RumRunner@...
>Sent: Nov 16, 2009 12:22 PM
>To: rhodes22-list@...
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the  
>trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the  
>centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
>hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
>centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
>centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards, breaking it into
>many  pieces.
>
>Rummy
>
>
>In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>rlowe@... writes:
>
>We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
>as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
>a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top  
>of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
>would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow sailor  
>that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so  
>donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still  
>relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
>come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
>trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
>all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
>too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
>trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
>submerge your trailer?!
>I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
>enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob
>
>S/V Getaway
>1976 Rhodes  22
>
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[Mary Lou Troy-2]

Rummy is spot on if you have the center guides below the bunks the
hull rests on. Not sure if all older Rhodes 22 trailers have them.
having the centerboard down will keep the boat centered. Even so, we
once had a sobering experience. We had the centerboard down but when
we pulled the boat out, the very edge of the keel rested on the top
edge of one of the keel guide boards. As Fred started to pull the
boat out, I noticed she was sitting high. Almost immediately and
before I could even say "stop", the guide board splintered and the
boat slammed back down onto the bunks. No damage (amazingly) to
anything but the guide board and the roller the keel rides on. The
centerboard neatly retracted into the trunk. No damage to the hull.
It was a moderately steep ramp and I believe we probably had the
trailer in too deep. Maybe. I wouldn't recommend it. I also believe
we were very lucky there was no further damage. It made a very loud
noise. We now make sure we can see the forward ends of the bunks and
bring the boat out slowly paying attention to how the hull is resting
on the bunks.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD


At 12:22 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:

>This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the
>trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the
>centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
>hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
>centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
>centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards,
>breaking it into
>many  pieces.
>
>Rummy
>
>
>In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>rlowe@... writes:
>
>We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
>as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
>a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top
>of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
>would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A
>fellow sailor
>that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so
>donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still
>relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
>come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
>trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
>all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
>too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
>trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
>submerge your trailer?!
>I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
>enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob
>
>S/V Getaway
>1976 Rhodes  22
>
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[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

Rob,

I'll show you my guides when you come south this winter.  Not a difficult problem.

Art

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>From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe@...>
>Sent: Nov 16, 2009 11:34 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list@...>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>We pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day as we only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of a time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat would lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow sailor that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered enough to come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort of guides on the trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought is I replaced the all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the slot between them too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the boat on the trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?  How far do you all submerge your trailer!
 ?!

>   I have to about submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far enough forward on the trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob
>
>S/V Getaway
>1976 Rhodes 22
>
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[Caesarsailor]

Rummy,

You are correct again.  That's how I broke my centerboard cap when I was loading my boat unto the Trailer at the end of our Northwest Rhodees Fleet Sail earlier this year.  I forgot to cleat off the Centerboard, got the boat off by pulling the trailer in order to deploy the trailer extension (lowest tide for the year).  The center board fell back, struck the ground, slid up the groove, and borke the cap.

Caesar



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From: "R22RumRunner@..." <R22RumRunner@...>
To: rhodes22-list@...
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 9:22:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer

This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the 
trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the 
centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards, breaking it into
many  pieces.

Rummy


In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
rlowe@... writes:

We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top 
of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow sailor 
that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so 
donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still 
relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?  How far do you all
submerge your trailer?!
I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob

S/V Getaway
1976 Rhodes  22


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[Rob Lowe]

Rummy,
Yes, loaded boat with centerboard raised.  I'll try your suggestion next time.  Thanks! - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces@... [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of R22RumRunner@...
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:22 PM
To: rhodes22-list@...
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer

This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the  
trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the  
centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards, breaking it into
many  pieces.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rlowe@... writes:

We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top  
of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow sailor  
that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so  
donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still  
relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
submerge your trailer?!
I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob

S/V Getaway
1976 Rhodes  22


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[Rob Lowe]

Mary Lou,
I also broke one of the keel guide boards last year.  Same as you, the keel came to rest on the guide boards and broke when pulling the trailer out.  That's one reason I replaced them last year.  My trailer is a mid 70's (assuming it the same age as the boat) Triad and doesn't have the keel rollers.  I'm very careful now to watch the boat as she's coming out of the water to make sure she's loaded correctly. - rob
 

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From: rhodes22-list-bounces@... [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:35 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer

Rummy is spot on if you have the center guides below the bunks the
hull rests on. Not sure if all older Rhodes 22 trailers have them.
having the centerboard down will keep the boat centered. Even so, we
once had a sobering experience. We had the centerboard down but when
we pulled the boat out, the very edge of the keel rested on the top
edge of one of the keel guide boards. As Fred started to pull the
boat out, I noticed she was sitting high. Almost immediately and
before I could even say "stop", the guide board splintered and the
boat slammed back down onto the bunks. No damage (amazingly) to
anything but the guide board and the roller the keel rides on. The
centerboard neatly retracted into the trunk. No damage to the hull.
It was a moderately steep ramp and I believe we probably had the
trailer in too deep. Maybe. I wouldn't recommend it. I also believe
we were very lucky there was no further damage. It made a very loud
noise. We now make sure we can see the forward ends of the bunks and
bring the boat out slowly paying attention to how the hull is resting
on the bunks.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD


At 12:22 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:

>This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the
>trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the
>centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
>hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
>centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
>centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards,
>breaking it into
>many  pieces.
>
>Rummy
>
>
>In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>rlowe@... writes:
>
>We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
>as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
>a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top
>of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
>would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A
>fellow sailor
>that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so
>donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still
>relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
>come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
>trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
>all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
>too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
>trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
>submerge your trailer?!
>I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
>enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob
>
>S/V Getaway
>1976 Rhodes  22
>
>
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[Rob Lowe]

Art,
You know darn well who Getaway's skipper is!  And yes, the trailer is a Triad.  I like Rummy's "leave the centerboard down when loading" method.  Just have to remember raise and cleat it off after loading. - rob

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces@... [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Arthur H. Czerwonky
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:25 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer

Pray tell, who is the skipper of Getaway?

Next question - Is your trailer a Triad?  I am guessing not.  Not an unusual problem and not a terribly difficule solution if it is not.

I will await your response.

Art
s/v Mary Jane

-----Original Message-----

>From: R22RumRunner@...
>Sent: Nov 16, 2009 12:22 PM
>To: rhodes22-list@...
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the  
>trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the  
>centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
>hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
>centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
>centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards, breaking it into
>many  pieces.
>
>Rummy
>
>
>In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>rlowe@... writes:
>
>We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
>as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
>a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top  
>of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
>would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow sailor  
>that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so  
>donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still  
>relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
>come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
>trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
>all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
>too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
>trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
>submerge your trailer?!
>I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
>enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob
>
>S/V Getaway
>1976 Rhodes  22
>
>
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[Mary Lou Troy-2]

Rob,
Leaving the centerboard down is the preferred method for loading the
boat on the trailer. We have a roller just below the keel guides that
the keel rests on. As the boat loads, the centerboard rides on that
roller (I doubt it really turns) and slides up into the centerboard
trunk. With the centerboard down, you do need to make sure that the
boat continues to moves only forward. If for some reason you needed
to move the boat back, you would first need to raise and cleat off
the centerboard or run the risk of it hanging up on the trailer. Once
the boat is loaded you also need to immediately raise and cleat off
the line so that the centerboard does not drop the next time you try
to launch the boat. We always make sure the centerboard is cleated
off as part of our pre-launch checklist.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD




At 08:56 AM 11/17/2009, you wrote:

>Mary Lou,
>I also broke one of the keel guide boards last year.  Same as you,
>the keel came to rest on the guide boards and broke when pulling the
>trailer out.  That's one reason I replaced them last year.  My
>trailer is a mid 70's (assuming it the same age as the boat) Triad
>and doesn't have the keel rollers.  I'm very careful now to watch
>the boat as she's coming out of the water to make sure she's loaded
>correctly. - rob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@...
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:35 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>Rummy is spot on if you have the center guides below the bunks the
>hull rests on. Not sure if all older Rhodes 22 trailers have them.
>having the centerboard down will keep the boat centered. Even so, we
>once had a sobering experience. We had the centerboard down but when
>we pulled the boat out, the very edge of the keel rested on the top
>edge of one of the keel guide boards. As Fred started to pull the
>boat out, I noticed she was sitting high. Almost immediately and
>before I could even say "stop", the guide board splintered and the
>boat slammed back down onto the bunks. No damage (amazingly) to
>anything but the guide board and the roller the keel rides on. The
>centerboard neatly retracted into the trunk. No damage to the hull.
>It was a moderately steep ramp and I believe we probably had the
>trailer in too deep. Maybe. I wouldn't recommend it. I also believe
>we were very lucky there was no further damage. It made a very loud
>noise. We now make sure we can see the forward ends of the bunks and
>bring the boat out slowly paying attention to how the hull is resting
>on the bunks.
>
>Mary Lou
>1991 R22 Fretless
>Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>At 12:22 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
> >This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the
> >trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the
> >centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
> >hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
> >centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
> >centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards,
> >breaking it into
> >many  pieces.
> >
> >Rummy
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >rlowe@... writes:
> >
> >We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
> >as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
> >a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top
> >of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
> >would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A
> >fellow sailor
> >that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so
> >donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still
> >relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her
> centered  enough to
> >come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
> >trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
> >all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot
> between them
> >too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
> >trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
> >submerge your trailer?!
> >I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
> >enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob
> >
> >S/V Getaway
> >1976 Rhodes  22
> >
> >
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This sage advice had the ring of experience to it....;^)
elle

Beer is good....people are crazy

1992 Rhodes 22    Recycled '06"Watermusic"  {Lady in Red}

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, R22RumRunner@... <R22RumRunner@...> wrote:

From: R22RumRunner@... <R22RumRunner@...>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
To: rhodes22-list@...
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:22 PM

This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the 
trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the 
centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards, breaking it into
many  pieces.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
rlowe@... writes:

We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top 
of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow sailor 
that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so 
donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still 
relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
submerge your trailer?!
I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob

S/V Getaway
1976 Rhodes  22


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Very good Elle, but no, I wasn't the person who learned this the hard way.  
Several owners over the years have pushed the centerboard through the cap
by not  cleating off the line. It always ends in travesty.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 11/17/2009 9:26:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
watermusic38@... writes:

This  sage advice had the ring of experience to it....;^)
elle

Beer is  good....people are crazy

1992 Rhodes 22    Recycled  '06"Watermusic"  {Lady in Red}

--- On Mon, 11/16/09,  R22RumRunner@... <R22RumRunner@...> wrote:

From:  R22RumRunner@... <R22RumRunner@...>
Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
To:  rhodes22-list@...
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:22  PM

This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes  on the  
trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people  make. Leave the
 
centerboard all the way down and the guides on the  trailer will center the
hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on  the trailer you pull the
centerboard line  tight and cleat off.  Otherwise if you try to launch, the
centerboard will get  hung up and  push the centerboard cap upwards,
breaking it into
many   pieces.

Rummy


In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M.  Eastern Standard Time,  
rlowe@... writes:

We  pulled  Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree
day
as  we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck  
of
a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept  landing on top
 
of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling  the trailer the boat
would  lean over to the side as the keel settled  on the bunk.  A fellow
sailor  
that was observing suggest the  swing keel could be hung up and catching so
 
donned swim mast and  dove under water to check (glad the lake was still  
relatively  warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough
 to
come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some  sort  of guides on
the
trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My  other thought  is I replaced the
all the wood on my trailer last year  and perhaps I got the  slot between
them
too narrow.  But I  thought the guides would center the  boat on the
trailer.  Guess  I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you
all  
submerge your trailer?!
I have to about  submerge the top bunks so  that I can winch the boat far
enough forward on the  trailer.   Any feedback welcome. - rob

S/V Getaway
1976 Rhodes   22


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OK, Rob.  

Sorry, I did not recognize the boat name and speculated that the trailer was a non-Triad.  Centering my former O'Day 222 onto its trailer correctly, even with the keel guides in use, was always a monumental headache.  I would make some simple suggestions for those non-Triad units.  

SOP in loading the R22 onto a Triad is CB down.  The trailer can be too deep on the ramp, ergo keel perched on a keel side rail?  I usually pull the trailer out slowly enough to see if the boat begins to heel when coming up the ramp, backing off and recentering if it does.  My side rails (a custom non-Triad, generous space separating the side rails) have not had this problem with CB down.

Art

-----Original Message-----

>From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe@...>
>Sent: Nov 17, 2009 9:02 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list@...>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>Art,
>You know darn well who Getaway's skipper is!  And yes, the trailer is a Triad.  I like Rummy's "leave the centerboard down when loading" method.  Just have to remember raise and cleat it off after loading. - rob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@... [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Arthur H. Czerwonky
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:25 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>Pray tell, who is the skipper of Getaway?
>
>Next question - Is your trailer a Triad?  I am guessing not.  Not an unusual problem and not a terribly difficule solution if it is not.
>
>I will await your response.
>
>Art
>s/v Mary Jane
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: R22RumRunner@...
>>Sent: Nov 16, 2009 12:22 PM
>>To: rhodes22-list@...
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>>
>>This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the  
>>trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the  
>>centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
>>hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
>>centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
>>centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards, breaking it into
>>many  pieces.
>>
>>Rummy
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>>rlowe@... writes:
>>
>>We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
>>as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
>>a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top  
>>of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
>>would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow sailor  
>>that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so  
>>donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still  
>>relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
>>come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
>>trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
>>all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
>>too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
>>trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
>>submerge your trailer?!
>>I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
>>enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob
>>
>>S/V Getaway
>>1976 Rhodes  22
>>
>>
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Rob,

No big deal installing a CB/Keel roller if you have a "base wood" strip, like a 2x10, mounted flat under the keel.  It would sure make it easier.

Art

-----Original Message-----

>From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe@...>
>Sent: Nov 17, 2009 8:56 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list@...>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>Mary Lou,
>I also broke one of the keel guide boards last year.  Same as you, the keel came to rest on the guide boards and broke when pulling the trailer out.  That's one reason I replaced them last year.  My trailer is a mid 70's (assuming it the same age as the boat) Triad and doesn't have the keel rollers.  I'm very careful now to watch the boat as she's coming out of the water to make sure she's loaded correctly. - rob
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@... [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:35 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>Rummy is spot on if you have the center guides below the bunks the
>hull rests on. Not sure if all older Rhodes 22 trailers have them.
>having the centerboard down will keep the boat centered. Even so, we
>once had a sobering experience. We had the centerboard down but when
>we pulled the boat out, the very edge of the keel rested on the top
>edge of one of the keel guide boards. As Fred started to pull the
>boat out, I noticed she was sitting high. Almost immediately and
>before I could even say "stop", the guide board splintered and the
>boat slammed back down onto the bunks. No damage (amazingly) to
>anything but the guide board and the roller the keel rides on. The
>centerboard neatly retracted into the trunk. No damage to the hull.
>It was a moderately steep ramp and I believe we probably had the
>trailer in too deep. Maybe. I wouldn't recommend it. I also believe
>we were very lucky there was no further damage. It made a very loud
>noise. We now make sure we can see the forward ends of the bunks and
>bring the boat out slowly paying attention to how the hull is resting
>on the bunks.
>
>Mary Lou
>1991 R22 Fretless
>Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>At 12:22 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
>>This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the
>>trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the
>>centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
>>hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
>>centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
>>centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards,
>>breaking it into
>>many  pieces.
>>
>>Rummy
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>rlowe@... writes:
>>
>>We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
>>as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
>>a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top
>>of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
>>would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A
>>fellow sailor
>>that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so
>>donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still
>>relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough to
>>come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on the
>>trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
>>all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between them
>>too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
>>trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you all
>>submerge your trailer?!
>>I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
>>enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob
>>
>>S/V Getaway
>>1976 Rhodes  22
>>
>>
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Art,
Triad was not the only manufacturer for General Boats. Many, including mine
 were made by Trailmaster. Same Rhodes bunk configuration.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 11/17/2009 6:09:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
czerwonky@... writes:

OK,  Rob.  

Sorry, I did not recognize the boat name and speculated  that the trailer
was a non-Triad.  Centering my former O'Day 222 onto its  trailer correctly,
even with the keel guides in use, was always a monumental  headache.  I
would make some simple suggestions for those non-Triad  units.  

SOP in loading the R22 onto a Triad is CB down.  The  trailer can be too
deep on the ramp, ergo keel perched on a keel side  rail?  I usually pull the
trailer out slowly enough to see if the boat  begins to heel when coming up
the ramp, backing off and recentering if it  does.  My side rails (a custom
non-Triad, generous space separating the  side rails) have not had this
problem with CB  down.

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Lowe, Rob"  <rlowe@...>
>Sent: Nov 17, 2009 9:02 AM
>To: The Rhodes  22 Email List <rhodes22-list@...>
>Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>Art,
>You know  darn well who Getaway's skipper is!  And yes, the trailer is a  
Triad.  I like Rummy's "leave the centerboard down when loading"  method.  
Just have to remember raise and cleat it off after loading. -  rob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  rhodes22-list-bounces@...
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...]  On Behalf Of Arthur H. Czerwonky
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:25  PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Loading boat on trailer
>
>Pray tell, who is the skipper of  Getaway?
>
>Next question - Is your trailer a Triad?  I am  guessing not.  Not an
unusual problem and not a terribly difficule  solution if it is not.

>
>I will await your  response.
>
>Art
>s/v Mary Jane
>
>-----Original  Message-----
>>From: R22RumRunner@...
>>Sent: Nov 16,  2009 12:22 PM
>>To: rhodes22-list@...
>>Subject:  Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>>
>>This is an  easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on

the  
>>trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make.  Leave
the  
>>centerboard all the way down and the guides on the  trailer will center
the
>>hull  just fine. Just make sure that  once on the trailer you pull the
>>centerboard line  tight and  cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch,
the
>>centerboard will  get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards,
breaking it into  
>>many  pieces.
>>
>>Rummy
>>  
>>
>>In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time,  
>>rlowe@...  writes:
>>
>>We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to  take advantage of the 70 degree
day
>>as we  only had two weeks  left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck
of
>>a  time  getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on
top  
>>of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer  the boat
>>would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on  the bunk.  A fellow
sailor  
>>that was observing suggest  the swing keel could be hung up and catching
so  
>>donned swim  mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still  
 
>>relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got  her centered  
enough to
>>come out straight.   Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on
the  
>>trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought   is I replaced
the
>>all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps  I got the  slot between
them
>>too narrow.  But I thought  the guides would center the  boat on the
>>trailer.  Guess  I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you
all  

>>submerge your trailer?!
>>I have to about  submerge  the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
>>enough forward on  the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. -  rob
>>
>>S/V Getaway
>>1976 Rhodes   22
>>
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[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

Rummy,

Interesting.  I wonder what caused the switch to Triad?

Art

-----Original Message-----

>From: R22RumRunner@...
>Sent: Nov 17, 2009 7:29 PM
>To: rhodes22-list@...
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
>Art,
>Triad was not the only manufacturer for General Boats. Many, including mine
> were made by Trailmaster. Same Rhodes bunk configuration.
>
>Rummy
>
>
>In a message dated 11/17/2009 6:09:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>czerwonky@... writes:
>
>OK,  Rob.  
>
>Sorry, I did not recognize the boat name and speculated  that the trailer
>was a non-Triad.  Centering my former O'Day 222 onto its  trailer correctly,
>even with the keel guides in use, was always a monumental  headache.  I
>would make some simple suggestions for those non-Triad  units.  
>
>SOP in loading the R22 onto a Triad is CB down.  The  trailer can be too
>deep on the ramp, ergo keel perched on a keel side  rail?  I usually pull the
>trailer out slowly enough to see if the boat  begins to heel when coming up
>the ramp, backing off and recentering if it  does.  My side rails (a custom
>non-Triad, generous space separating the  side rails) have not had this
>problem with CB  down.
>
>Art
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Lowe, Rob"  <rlowe@...>
>>Sent: Nov 17, 2009 9:02 AM
>>To: The Rhodes  22 Email List <rhodes22-list@...>
>>Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>>
>>Art,
>>You know  darn well who Getaway's skipper is!  And yes, the trailer is a  
>Triad.  I like Rummy's "leave the centerboard down when loading"  method.  
>Just have to remember raise and cleat it off after loading. -  rob
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:  rhodes22-list-bounces@...
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...]  On Behalf Of Arthur H. Czerwonky
>>Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:25  PM
>>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Loading boat on trailer
>>
>>Pray tell, who is the skipper of  Getaway?
>>
>>Next question - Is your trailer a Triad?  I am  guessing not.  Not an
>unusual problem and not a terribly difficule  solution if it is not.
>>
>>I will await your  response.
>>
>>Art
>>s/v Mary Jane
>>
>>-----Original  Message-----
>>>From: R22RumRunner@...
>>>Sent: Nov 16,  2009 12:22 PM
>>>To: rhodes22-list@...
>>>Subject:  Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>>>
>>>This is an  easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on
>the  
>>>trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make.  Leave
>the  
>>>centerboard all the way down and the guides on the  trailer will center
>the
>>>hull  just fine. Just make sure that  once on the trailer you pull the
>>>centerboard line  tight and  cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch,
>the
>>>centerboard will  get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards,
>breaking it into  
>>>many  pieces.
>>>
>>>Rummy
>>>  
>>>
>>>In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time,  
>>>rlowe@...  writes:
>>>
>>>We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to  take advantage of the 70 degree
>day
>>>as we  only had two weeks  left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck
>of
>>>a  time  getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on
>top  
>>>of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer  the boat
>>>would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on  the bunk.  A fellow
>sailor  
>>>that was observing suggest  the swing keel could be hung up and catching
>so  
>>>donned swim  mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still  
>
>>>relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got  her centered  
>enough to
>>>come out straight.   Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on
>the  
>>>trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought   is I replaced
>the
>>>all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps  I got the  slot between
>them
>>>too narrow.  But I thought  the guides would center the  boat on the
>>>trailer.  Guess  I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you
>all  
>>>submerge your trailer?!
>>>I have to about  submerge  the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
>>>enough forward on  the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. -  rob
>>>
>>>S/V Getaway
>>>1976 Rhodes   22
>>>
>>>
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[Bob Keller]

I have a fairly new (2006) Triad trailer and they have remedied that problem.  The roller sits under the keel and so the boat can actually slide back on the trailer without the CB being cleated.  Could also launch the boat without cleating the CB, although I always cleat it.  Forgot once but it didn't matter.

Bob K
 

> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:19:12 -0500
> To: rhodes22-list@...
> From: mtroy@...
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
> Rob,
> Leaving the centerboard down is the preferred method for loading the
> boat on the trailer. We have a roller just below the keel guides that
> the keel rests on. As the boat loads, the centerboard rides on that
> roller (I doubt it really turns) and slides up into the centerboard
> trunk. With the centerboard down, you do need to make sure that the
> boat continues to moves only forward. If for some reason you needed
> to move the boat back, you would first need to raise and cleat off
> the centerboard or run the risk of it hanging up on the trailer. Once
> the boat is loaded you also need to immediately raise and cleat off
> the line so that the centerboard does not drop the next time you try
> to launch the boat. We always make sure the centerboard is cleated
> off as part of our pre-launch checklist.
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
>
> At 08:56 AM 11/17/2009, you wrote:
> >Mary Lou,
> >I also broke one of the keel guide boards last year. Same as you,
> >the keel came to rest on the guide boards and broke when pulling the
> >trailer out. That's one reason I replaced them last year. My
> >trailer is a mid 70's (assuming it the same age as the boat) Triad
> >and doesn't have the keel rollers. I'm very careful now to watch
> >the boat as she's coming out of the water to make sure she's loaded
> >correctly. - rob
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@...
> >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:35 PM
> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
> >
> >Rummy is spot on if you have the center guides below the bunks the
> >hull rests on. Not sure if all older Rhodes 22 trailers have them.
> >having the centerboard down will keep the boat centered. Even so, we
> >once had a sobering experience. We had the centerboard down but when
> >we pulled the boat out, the very edge of the keel rested on the top
> >edge of one of the keel guide boards. As Fred started to pull the
> >boat out, I noticed she was sitting high. Almost immediately and
> >before I could even say "stop", the guide board splintered and the
> >boat slammed back down onto the bunks. No damage (amazingly) to
> >anything but the guide board and the roller the keel rides on. The
> >centerboard neatly retracted into the trunk. No damage to the hull.
> >It was a moderately steep ramp and I believe we probably had the
> >trailer in too deep. Maybe. I wouldn't recommend it. I also believe
> >we were very lucky there was no further damage. It made a very loud
> >noise. We now make sure we can see the forward ends of the bunks and
> >bring the boat out slowly paying attention to how the hull is resting
> >on the bunks.
> >
> >Mary Lou
> >1991 R22 Fretless
> >Rock Hall, MD
> >
> >
> >At 12:22 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
> > >This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the
> > >trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the
> > >centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
> > >hull just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
> > >centerboard line tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
> > >centerboard will get hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards,
> > >breaking it into
> > >many pieces.
> > >
> > >Rummy
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >rlowe@... writes:
> > >
> > >We pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
> > >as we only had two weeks left to get her out of the water. Had a heck of
> > >a time getting her centered on the trailer. The keel kept landing on top
> > >of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
> > >would lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk. A
> > >fellow sailor
> > >that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so
> > >donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still
> > >relatively warm!). Swing keel was fine. Finally got her
> > centered enough to
> > >come out straight. Questions. Does anyone use some sort of guides on the
> > >trailer to aid in centering the boat? My other thought is I replaced the
> > >all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the slot
> > between them
> > >too narrow. But I thought the guides would center the boat on the
> > >trailer. Guess I had the trailer in the water too far? How far do you all
> > >submerge your trailer?!
> > >I have to about submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
> > >enough forward on the trailer. Any feedback welcome. - rob
> > >
> > >S/V Getaway
> > >1976 Rhodes 22
> > >
> > >
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[Caesarsailor]

I will have to look carefully at my trailer's design.  I know it has the roller, that I think the center board sits on.  Please be careful in launching without the center board cleated in the up position because if it is shallow where and when you are launching ( shallower than the total draft of the boat), the centerboard will hit the ground, and that could be very bad.

Caesar




________________________________
From: Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper@...>
To: rhodes22-list@...
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 6:52:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer


I have a fairly new (2006) Triad trailer and they have remedied that problem.  The roller sits under the keel and so the boat can actually slide back on the trailer without the CB being cleated.  Could also launch the boat without cleating the CB, although I always cleat it.  Forgot once but it didn't matter.

Bob K

> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:19:12 -0500
> To: rhodes22-list@...
> From: mtroy@...
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
>
> Rob,
> Leaving the centerboard down is the preferred method for loading the
> boat on the trailer. We have a roller just below the keel guides that
> the keel rests on. As the boat loads, the centerboard rides on that
> roller (I doubt it really turns) and slides up into the centerboard
> trunk. With the centerboard down, you do need to make sure that the
> boat continues to moves only forward. If for some reason you needed
> to move the boat back, you would first need to raise and cleat off
> the centerboard or run the risk of it hanging up on the trailer. Once
> the boat is loaded you also need to immediately raise and cleat off
> the line so that the centerboard does not drop the next time you try
> to launch the boat. We always make sure the centerboard is cleated
> off as part of our pre-launch checklist.
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
>
> At 08:56 AM 11/17/2009, you wrote:
> >Mary Lou,
> >I also broke one of the keel guide boards last year. Same as you,
> >the keel came to rest on the guide boards and broke when pulling the
> >trailer out. That's one reason I replaced them last year. My
> >trailer is a mid 70's (assuming it the same age as the boat) Triad
> >and doesn't have the keel rollers. I'm very careful now to watch
> >the boat as she's coming out of the water to make sure she's loaded
> >correctly. - rob
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rhodes22-list-bounces@...
> >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:35 PM
> >To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer
> >
> >Rummy is spot on if you have the center guides below the bunks the
> >hull rests on. Not sure if all older Rhodes 22 trailers have them.
> >having the centerboard down will keep the boat centered. Even so, we
> >once had a sobering experience. We had the centerboard down but when
> >we pulled the boat out, the very edge of the keel rested on the top
> >edge of one of the keel guide boards. As Fred started to pull the
> >boat out, I noticed she was sitting high. Almost immediately and
> >before I could even say "stop", the guide board splintered and the
> >boat slammed back down onto the bunks. No damage (amazingly) to
> >anything but the guide board and the roller the keel rides on. The
> >centerboard neatly retracted into the trunk. No damage to the hull.
> >It was a moderately steep ramp and I believe we probably had the
> >trailer in too deep. Maybe. I wouldn't recommend it. I also believe
> >we were very lucky there was no further damage. It made a very loud
> >noise. We now make sure we can see the forward ends of the bunks and
> >bring the boat out slowly paying attention to how the hull is resting
> >on the bunks.
> >
> >Mary Lou
> >1991 R22 Fretless
> >Rock Hall, MD
> >
> >
> >At 12:22 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:
> > >This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the
> > >trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the
> > >centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
> > >hull just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
> > >centerboard line tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
> > >centerboard will get hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards,
> > >breaking it into
> > >many pieces.
> > >
> > >Rummy
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >rlowe@... writes:
> > >
> > >We pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree day
> > >as we only had two weeks left to get her out of the water. Had a heck of
> > >a time getting her centered on the trailer. The keel kept landing on top
> > >of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
> > >would lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk. A
> > >fellow sailor
> > >that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so
> > >donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still
> > >relatively warm!). Swing keel was fine. Finally got her
> > centered enough to
> > >come out straight. Questions. Does anyone use some sort of guides on the
> > >trailer to aid in centering the boat? My other thought is I replaced the
> > >all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the slot
> > between them
> > >too narrow. But I thought the guides would center the boat on the
> > >trailer. Guess I had the trailer in the water too far? How far do you all
> > >submerge your trailer?!
> > >I have to about submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
> > >enough forward on the trailer. Any feedback welcome. - rob
> > >
> > >S/V Getaway
> > >1976 Rhodes 22
> > >
> > >
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Rummy

Somehow, my line has become entangled on the tip of the centerboard, and is
preventing the raising or lowering of the board.  Any suggestions for
dis-entangling without removing the centerboard cover?

Claude

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From: <R22RumRunner@...>
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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer

> This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on the
> trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make. Leave the
> centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer will center the
> hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the trailer you pull the
> centerboard line  tight and cleat off. Otherwise if you try to launch, the
> centerboard will get  hung up and push the centerboard cap upwards,
> breaking it into
> many  pieces.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> rlowe@... writes:
>
> We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take advantage of the 70 degree
> day
> as we  only had two weeks left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck of
> a  time getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on top
> of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer the boat
> would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the bunk.  A fellow
> sailor
> that was observing suggest the swing keel could be hung up and catching so
> donned swim mast and dove under water to check (glad the lake was still
> relatively warm!).  Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  enough
> to
> come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some sort  of guides on
> the
> trailer to aid in centering the boat?  My other thought  is I replaced the
> all the wood on my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between
> them
> too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the  boat on the
> trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too far?   How far do you
> all
> submerge your trailer?!
> I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can winch the boat far
> enough forward on the  trailer.  Any feedback welcome. - rob
>
> S/V Getaway
> 1976 Rhodes  22
>
>
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In a message dated 11/18/2009 1:34:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ccc974@... writes:

Rummy

Somehow, my line has become entangled on the tip of  the centerboard, and
is
preventing the raising or lowering of the  board.  Any suggestions for
dis-entangling without removing the  centerboard cover?

Claude

----- Original Message -----
From:  <R22RumRunner@...>
To:  <rhodes22-list@...>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:22  PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Loading boat on trailer


>  This is an easy one. My guess is that you tried placing the Rhodes on  
the
> trailer with the centerboard raised, a mistake many people make.  Leave
the
> centerboard all the way down and the guides on the trailer  will center
the
> hull  just fine. Just make sure that once on the  trailer you pull the
> centerboard line  tight and cleat off.  Otherwise if you try to launch,
the

> centerboard will get  hung up  and push the centerboard cap upwards,
> breaking it into
>  many  pieces.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message  dated 11/16/2009 11:34:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> rlowe@...  writes:
>
> We  pulled Getaway this weekend, had to take  advantage of the 70 degree
> day
> as we  only had two weeks  left to get her out of the water.  Had a heck

of
> a  time  getting her centered on the trailer.  The keel kept landing on  
top
> of the lower guide bunks and when I started pulling the trailer  the boat
> would  lean over to the side as the keel settled on the  bunk.  A fellow
> sailor
> that was observing suggest the  swing keel could be hung up and catching
so
> donned swim mast and dove  under water to check (glad the lake was still
> relatively warm!).   Swing keel was fine.  Finally got her centered  
enough
>  to
> come out straight.  Questions.  Does anyone use some  sort  of guides on
> the
> trailer to aid in centering the  boat?  My other thought  is I replaced
the

> all the wood on  my trailer last year and perhaps I got the  slot between
>  them
> too narrow.  But I thought the guides would center the   boat on the
> trailer.  Guess I had the trailer in the water too  far?   How far do you
> all
> submerge your  trailer?!
> I have to about  submerge the top bunks so that I can  winch the boat far
> enough forward on the  trailer.  Any  feedback welcome. - rob
>
> S/V Getaway
> 1976 Rhodes   22
>
>
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