M-Audio ProFire 610

[Syl-4]

Howdy,

New to the list and I pretty new in the Linux Audio word. Yet I'm about to build up a home-studio config.
I would like to double check whether the audio interface i have selected is fully supported under Linux:
M-Audio ProFire 610: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire610.html
Or if you could point me out another one, it would be nice too.

Many Thanks,
Sylvain

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[Paul Davis]

http://ffado.org/ for all info on linux firewire audio interface support.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Syl<aa@...> wrote:

>
> Howdy,
>
> New to the list and I pretty new in the Linux Audio word. Yet I'm about to
> build up a home-studio config.
> I would like to double check whether the audio interface i have selected is
> fully supported under Linux:
> M-Audio ProFire 610: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFire610.html
> Or if you could point me out another one, it would be nice too.
>
> Many Thanks,
> Sylvain
>
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[Syl-4]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 15:29, Paul Davis <paul@...> wrote:

http://ffado.org/ for all info on linux firewire audio interface support.

Thanks!
M-Audio ProFire 610 Support Status is Unknown...
Then, I guess i better go for a M-Audio Delta 1010LT.



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[Nicanor Garcia]

Hello,

I had the same worries that you have when I was going to buy an interface for my linux audio computer, so I may help you.

Let me tell you that the 610 is meant to solve all the problems of the 410 in which it's based and which is mostly incompatible with any system, including Windows and Mac. And since M-Audio wont release give support for linux, I would take a chance with that interface.

Firewire interfaces are somewhat difficult to put to work in Linux, but if you take a look in ffado.rog you'll notice there are some that look very good that have similar characteristics and of the M-Audio 610:

ECHO Audio Fire 4 http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/AudioFire4/index.php

Edirol FA-66 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=731&ParentId=114

Edirol FA-101 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=702&ParentId=114

Among others. The rest you can find here: http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport%2Flist&filter0=&filter1=&op2=OR&filter2[]=perfect

Check Focusrite which they have send to ffado directly so they can test them for compatibility and also is the company that makes pre-amps for Digidesign of Pro-tools.

I never tried this interfaces, but I'm sure there are several users that can tell you about them in the list.

On the other hand, I decided to buy the M-Audio Fast Track Pro an USB interface that worked out of the box in linux. In my little knowledge, I've heard that USB audio interfaces work better on linux.

Anything else I can help you just write me.

Saludos from Colombia.

Nicanor García O.

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whatever the device is, firewire or usb, make sure you're not going to have to do a firmware download that is not well documented. unless of course you are masochistic, then by all means, brick it!

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Nicanor Garcia <ngocello@...> wrote:

Hello,

I had the same worries that you have when I was going to buy an interface for my linux audio computer, so I may help you.

Let me tell you that the 610 is meant to solve all the problems of the 410 in which it's based and which is mostly incompatible with any system, including Windows and Mac. And since M-Audio wont release give support for linux, I would take a chance with that interface.

Firewire interfaces are somewhat difficult to put to work in Linux, but if you take a look in ffado.rog you'll notice there are some that look very good that have similar characteristics and of the M-Audio 610:

ECHO Audio Fire 4 http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/AudioFire4/index.php

Edirol FA-66 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=731&ParentId=114

Edirol FA-101 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=702&ParentId=114

Among others. The rest you can find here: http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport%2Flist&filter0=&filter1=&op2=OR&filter2[]=perfect

Check Focusrite which they have send to ffado directly so they can test them for compatibility and also is the company that makes pre-amps for Digidesign of Pro-tools.

I never tried this interfaces, but I'm sure there are several users that can tell you about them in the list.

On the other hand, I decided to buy the M-Audio Fast Track Pro an USB interface that worked out of the box in linux. In my little knowledge, I've heard that USB audio interfaces work better on linux.

Anything else I can help you just write me.

Saludos from Colombia.

Nicanor García O.

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[Syl-4]

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 04:53, Nicanor Garcia <ngocello@...> wrote:

Hello,

I had the same worries that you have when I was going to buy an interface for my linux audio computer, so I may help you.

Let me tell you that the 610 is meant to solve all the problems of the 410 in which it's based and which is mostly incompatible with any system, including Windows and Mac. And since M-Audio wont release give support for linux, I would take a chance with that interface.

Firewire interfaces are somewhat difficult to put to work in Linux, but if you take a look in ffado.rog you'll notice there are some that look very good that have similar characteristics and of the M-Audio 610:

ECHO Audio Fire 4 http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/AudioFire4/index.php

Edirol FA-66 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=731&ParentId=114

Edirol FA-101 http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=702&ParentId=114

Among others. The rest you can find here: http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport%2Flist&filter0=&filter1=&op2=OR&filter2[]=perfect

Check Focusrite which they have send to ffado directly so they can test them for compatibility and also is the company that makes pre-amps for Digidesign of Pro-tools.

I never tried this interfaces, but I'm sure there are several users that can tell you about them in the list.

On the other hand, I decided to buy the M-Audio Fast Track Pro an USB interface that worked out of the box in linux. In my little knowledge, I've heard that USB audio interfaces work better on linux.

Anything else I can help you just write me.

Saludos from Colombia.

Nicanor García O.

Thanks Nicanor for your input.

Indeed, i would like also something working out of the box with Linux. As i prefer take my time to learn how to make music under Linux rather to get crazy getting my audio interface running.

My first choose was to get a portable audio interface, so that i can easily move it around and if necessary using it on different boxes. As firewire is by design quicker than USB2, i thought it's the best choose.
I did some search on the Roland product, and the FA-101 looks very very nice. In addition it's made in Japan, which is for me a gage of quality. But it's of course quick expensive... 

In another hand, i wonder if a PCI card like the M-Audio Delta 1010LT, won't be a better choose for starting ...
What do you think?



Thank you all for your guidance :-)

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[Nicanor Garcia]

Hello,

Though I haven't worked with the Delta 1010LT, all I know is that is very compatible with linux.

But you must first think if it's what you really need.

If you are an solo artist, making music on your own (maybe electronic), recording only one or two tracks at a time, the Delta 1010LT with it's 10 ins and outs is something you wont need, but something you will need if you want to do a semi-pro studio for recording other artists and bands.

If you may need to use your interface in different computers an USB is for you as it works out of the box in almost any computer, at least the M-Audio Fast Track Pro I use does. Also, you can get linux audio to work on an old laptop or a not so old netbook that doesn't have firewire, but an USB interface would do.

I was today in a conference about M-audio's products (by the way, expect none support with Linux from them!) and they were talking about how to build a decent home studio, and the first thing you have to think about is, what are you going to do.

Also they mentioned what differences the different kinds of interfaces (USB, Firewire, PCI) and it's all about the transfer rate. Being USB 1.1 being the slower, the comes Firewire, USB 2.0, Firewire 800 and PCI being the fastest. And so, the higher the transfer rate the higher the numbers of channels a interface can handle with a decent cuality.

Correct me if I'm wrong about this data.

Well, enough of my senseless chat, if anything else I can help you, just tell me.

Cheers.

Thanks Nicanor for your input.

Indeed, i would like also something working out of the box with Linux. As i prefer take my time to learn how to make music under Linux rather to get crazy getting my audio interface running.

My first choose was to get a portable audio interface, so that i can easily move it around and if necessary using it on different boxes. As firewire is by design quicker than USB2, i thought it's the best choose.
I did some search on the Roland product, and the FA-101 looks very very nice. In addition it's made in Japan, which is for me a gage of quality. But it's of course quick expensive... 

In another hand, i wonder if a PCI card like the M-Audio Delta 1010LT, won't be a better choose for starting ...
What do you think?



Thank you all for your guidance :-)

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[jedd-2]

On Fri 2009-07-03, Nicanor Garcia wrote:
> I was today in a conference about M-audio's products (by the way,
> expect none support with Linux from them!) and they were ...

 That's a bit sad - I've been a bit fond of their gear in the past
 (I have a Revolution PCI card and an Axiom keyboard/controller).

 I bought the Revolution after trying to get a new SoundBlaster
 card to work, and only then discovering that SB were now pretty
 much anti-Linux support (after being *the* sound card for Linux
 users to buy for close to a decade).  Very sad.  Very weird.

> Also they mentioned what differences the different kinds of
> interfaces (USB, Firewire, PCI) and it's all about the transfer rate.

 Yeah - I'm not sure why Firewire is thought to be better than USB.
 As you observe, USB means you can pick up the kit and plug it
 into effectively any machine on the planet.  Apple still charge
 each OEM for the right to put a Firewire plug in their computer,
 and given USB is roughly the same speed[1] most manufacturers
 and most consumers are happy to move to / stay with USB.

 Jedd.

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Peripheral


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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:09 AM, jedd<jedd@...> wrote:

> On Fri 2009-07-03, Nicanor Garcia wrote:
>> I was today in a conference about M-audio's products (by the way,
>> expect none support with Linux from them!) and they were ...
>
>  That's a bit sad - I've been a bit fond of their gear in the past
>  (I have a Revolution PCI card and an Axiom keyboard/controller).
>
>  I bought the Revolution after trying to get a new SoundBlaster
>  card to work, and only then discovering that SB were now pretty
>  much anti-Linux support (after being *the* sound card for Linux
>  users to buy for close to a decade).  Very sad.  Very weird.
>
>> Also they mentioned what differences the different kinds of
>> interfaces (USB, Firewire, PCI) and it's all about the transfer rate.
>
>  Yeah - I'm not sure why Firewire is thought to be better than USB.
>  As you observe, USB means you can pick up the kit and plug it
>  into effectively any machine on the planet.  Apple still charge
>  each OEM for the right to put a Firewire plug in their computer,
>  and given USB is roughly the same speed[1] most manufacturers
>  and most consumers are happy to move to / stay with USB.
>
>  Jedd.
>
>  [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Peripheral
>
>
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USB devices that work with Linux are much slower than firewire, there
is no industry standard for USB 2 audio devices, so only USB 1.1
devices work with Linux (unless this has changed recently).
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[Nicanor Garcia]

I would definitely recommend this interface, it has worked fine for me under linux.

The only issue is that you have to do certain additional configurations to your system to be able to use its four output. I haven't had the time to do so, but as soon as I do I will publish a how-to.

2009/7/3 Arve Barsnes <arve.barsnes@...>

Would you recommend the Fast Track Pro? Ignore any restrictions on
number of channels here, that will not be an issue.

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