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load-module ruby error

2009-09-03T23:57:05Z

As the administrator moved my account to another directory, gems refused to function. I modified the absolute path in env, the symbol link of ' $GEMS/Simics-2.2.19/src/extensions/' and paths in the checkpoint. Then I loaded the checkpoint successfully. However there was an error when I tried to load-module ruby, the error is:

Error loading module 'ruby' : Module 'ruby' not found

Please let me know what the problem is.

Thanks!

2009-09-04

ChengLiu

permanent link

2009-07-24T05:04:07Z

Hello all,

I would like to know how to enable the 'permanent link' feature for mhonarc. An example is in the following link:

http://www.mhonarc.org/archive/cgi-bin/mesg.cgi?a=mhonarc-users&i=200309100306.h8A36hn15434%40gator.earlhood.com

which incidentally is the only mhonarc page that I could google with the phrase 'permanent link'. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Nick

Re: List archive removal requests

2009-06-25T09:32:43Z

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Christopher P. Lindsey <lindsey@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a non-MHonArc-specific question to ask.

I recently opened my archives up to Google for indexing and have
become inundated with requests to have messages removed from the
archives.

Usually they're from family members who don't want grandma's
email address published, but I received one today from a large
organization that is apparently in hot water because of something
that someone posted ten years ago about a tract of land in
Texas. They now want me to remove all posts referencing their
organization and the poster.

What do all of you do? And are any of you familiar with the
legal requirements to remove messages?

When people signed up for the lists they were told that their
messages would be archived indefinitely and publicly.

And even if I remove the message in question, their message is
quoted in peoples' replies. Do I have to delete the entire
thread including what other people have written because this
guy's name might be in the email? Even if I only strip out what
he has written other people have incriminating information in
their responses.

And, of course, the other big problem is time... If I have
to go through 10 years of archives searching for mention of
this organization or the poster and then edit the emails and
rebuild the archives it's going to be a huge timesink.

Thanks for any input,

Chris

The mail folder is in text format. you can edit out the information and rebuild the archive.

When someone ask me to remove a post because it has its family name on it, i just remove the family name from the mail file and rebuild the archive for that month....

I also use R13 encoding for email addresses so they all masked.

Re: List archive removal requests

2009-06-24T16:32:38Z

> And are any of you familiar with the legal requirements to remove messages?

ChillingEffects does a pretty good job explaining some of these issues.

http://www.chillingeffects.org

List archive removal requests

2009-06-24T15:55:33Z

Hi everyone,

I have a non-MHonArc-specific question to ask.

I recently opened my archives up to Google for indexing and have
become inundated with requests to have messages removed from the
archives.

Usually they're from family members who don't want grandma's
email address published, but I received one today from a large
organization that is apparently in hot water because of something
that someone posted ten years ago about a tract of land in
Texas. They now want me to remove all posts referencing their
organization and the poster.

What do all of you do? And are any of you familiar with the
legal requirements to remove messages?

When people signed up for the lists they were told that their
messages would be archived indefinitely and publicly.

And even if I remove the message in question, their message is
quoted in peoples' replies. Do I have to delete the entire
thread including what other people have written because this
guy's name might be in the email? Even if I only strip out what
he has written other people have incriminating information in
their responses.

And, of course, the other big problem is time... If I have
to go through 10 years of archives searching for mention of
this organization or the poster and then edit the emails and
rebuild the archives it's going to be a huge timesink.

Thanks for any input,

Chris

Re: Modify http links while generating archives?

2009-06-10T08:51:21Z

On June 10, 2009 at 10:02, David Gibbs wrote:

> I'm not a perl coder ... can anyone give me some hints on how to have mhonarc
> modify links, to external sites, that are generated so I can add redirects o
> r tracking code (like Google analytics)?

Perl coding will be required to do what you want.

> I'm assuming it will have to be done in a mime filter module.

Actually, it might be better to leverage the API mechanism so
you can process all message types, not just plain text ones. For
example, I'm guessing you will want to rewrite URLs for HTML
mail messages also.

If you take the MIME filter route, you would have to develop
a custom filter for all possible MIME types that can contain
external links, not fun.

If you register a $mhonarc::CBMessageBodyRead API callback function,
you can centrally post-process the HTML generated by the MIME filters.
Therefore, you only need to parse out HTML tags that can contain
external links (e.g. <a>, <img>, et.al.).

How to use the API is documented in an appendix section of the
reference manual.

--ewh

Modify http links while generating archives?

2009-06-10T08:02:37Z

I'm not a perl coder ... can anyone give me some hints on how to have mhonarc modify links, to external sites, that are generated so I can add redirects or tracking code (like Google analytics)?

I'm assuming it will have to be done in a mime filter module.

Thanks!

david

--
IBM i on Power - For when you can't afford to be out of business

Re: "Other resources" rc to create topic list with reference to $TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$

2009-06-03T20:58:42Z

On May 29, 2009 at 09:11, Ngieen Siao-Mak wrote:

> > for that the RC will have to ignore all message reply and possible
> > followups.... probably controlled through setting TLEVELS to 0, am i
> > correct?

Yes. Basically, "blank-out" all the other thread page resources related
to rendering the actual thread list/links except TTOPBEGIN and TSINGLETXT.
See <http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/faq/usage.html#nilresource>
about clearing a page-layout-related resource.

If this index is an additional from the default thread index that
is created, use OTHERINDEXES to define your topic index.

Hope this helps,

--ewh

Re: "Other resources" rc to create topic list with reference to $TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$

2009-05-28T19:11:28Z

No one reply ;-( so I wonder if my question is way too basic or impossible to implement ? sorry for my poor english

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Ngieen Siao-Mak <ngieen@...> wrote:

I hope someone can help me,

I am trying to create another RC file to define the topics in an archive.

for that the RC will have to ignore all message reply and possible followups.... probably controlled through setting TLEVELS to 0, am i correct?

now, i wish that every topic in this archive to point to the tree location of the main mail archive thread page...something like this:

[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 1</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 2</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 3</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 4</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 5</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 6</a>]

any help on achieving the goal would be appreciated

thanks!

"Other resources" rc to create topic list with reference to $TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$

2009-05-26T05:30:05Z

I hope someone can help me,

I am trying to create another RC file to define the topics in an archive.

for that the RC will have to ignore all message reply and possible followups.... probably controlled through setting TLEVELS to 0, am i correct?

now, i wish that every topic in this archive to point to the tree location of the main mail archive thread page...something like this:

[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 1</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 2</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 3</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 4</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 5</a>]
[<a href="$TIDXFNAME$#$MSGNUM$">Topic 6</a>]

any help on achieving the goal would be appreciated

thanks!

Re: possible UTF-8 buglet

2009-05-03T22:19:34Z

I upgraded from Ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 and no longer see any visual
difference for Tamil in Firefox. I guess it was a now-fixed Firefox
issue all along.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Jeff Breidenbach <jeff@...> wrote:
> I'm attaching screenshots of what I am seeing - Firefox is claiming
> some whitespace (it acts like tab when I play around with highlighting
> in "view source"). On the other hand, I just repeated your byte
> comparison experiment and they look identical. Sorry! This is very
> confusing.

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-05-02T17:54:47Z

> OK, ok... I put something together and sent it to you and Earl for review.
> I'm not sure about the bounty though since I did say that I'd do this
> before.

The patch is awesome and the bounty is yours. Very nice work.

-Jeff

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-30T02:00:20Z

> > Modifying code to remember last message number is
> > straight-forward and independent of any file system that
> > may be in use.
>
> Ok, to spice things up I'm offering a $300 bounty for whoever writes
> the patch that gets accepted into the MhonArc codebase.

OK, ok... I put something together and sent it to you and Earl for review.
I'm not sure about the bounty though since I did say that I'd do this
before.

Chris

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-29T22:52:03Z

> Modifying code to remember last message number is
> straight-forward and independent of any file system that
> may be in use.

Ok, to spice things up I'm offering a $300 bounty for whoever writes
the patch that gets accepted into the MhonArc codebase.

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-24T16:00:14Z

How can I be most helpful?

-Jeff

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-13T19:41:14Z

Happy Easter and ping... :)

> I can work on a patch in the next few days unless Earl tells me to
> back off because he's going to do it. :)

Re: Alternative resource for subject index showing topics....

2009-04-10T10:17:07Z

On March 1, 2009 at 09:28, Ngieen Siao-Mak wrote:

> I want it to show as:
>
> Topics for Today:
>
> subject A
>
> subject B
>
> subject C
>
> can it be done?

I believe so. Look at the thread page layout information in the docs:

http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/layout.html#threadidxpg

TTOPBEGIN and TSINGLETXT are probably the key resources you want
to include the subject text.

--ewh

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-06T12:31:16Z

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Jym Dyer <jym@...> wrote:
> =v= I handle a similar situation like this: do a directory-wide
> operation, then record the directory's modification date. Next
> time around, check the directory's modification date and skip
> the operation if it hasn't changed. In this situation, that way
> you would know that the last message hasn't changed since the
> previous operation, so you can skip the directory read.

Not sure this will work for all OSs.

Modifying code to remember last message number is
straight-forward and independent of any file system that
may be in use.

--ewh

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-06T10:16:22Z

>> I think an option for mhonarc to avoid the directory listing
>> would be quite helpful, at least in my situation.
> I would love to have access to the last message number after
> a MHonArc run.

=v= I handle a similar situation like this: do a directory-wide
operation, then record the directory's modification date. Next
time around, check the directory's modification date and skip
the operation if it hasn't changed. In this situation, that way
you would know that the last message hasn't changed since the
previous operation, so you can skip the directory read.
<_Jym_>

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-06T08:35:37Z

> I think an option for mhonarc to avoid the directory listing would be
> quite helpful, at least in my situation.

I would love to have access to the last message number after a MHonArc
run.

I've been working on an SQL-based message store that is used entirely
for searching, displaying indexes, etc. I still keep a MHonArc archive
of all messages and use its output for the actual message display.

What I would like to do is to maintain a cache of messages. When a
message is requested it would be fed into MHonArc, the filename would
be returned, and then I could display that file and store it in my
database for future use (until it doesn't get used enough and the cache
gets purged).

It sounds like there are lots of reasons to display and/or store the
filename on exit.

I can work on a patch in the next few days unless Earl tells me to
back off because he's going to do it. :)

Chris

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-05T22:05:53Z

Ok, I found the code that does the directory listing in mhonarc, by
searching for the word "max". Amongst other things, this dug up the
comments about the Atari MegaST used for the mhonarc logo. As an
Atari 520ST user, it rekindled some nostalgic jealousy.

Anyway, it is get_last_msg_num and just for fun I logged how much time
it was spending, using timethis() from the Perl benchmarking module.
About two minutes spread over ~300 iterations of mhonarc on real data.
Now of course this is not a typical system; I have a large number of
files per directory, and am currently using the aufs union mount
filesystem. Aufs a little bit slow to return directory listings in
such situations. I've bee talking to the aufs folks and there isn't a
trivial fix.

I think an option for mhonarc to avoid the directory listing would be
quite helpful, at least in my situation.

-Jeff

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-02T19:29:01Z

Great, that is a possible performance enhancement for the future, as
very large directories can be slow to read, even when totally cached
by Linux. For the immediate term, I'll talk with the aufs folks to see
if directory reads can get faster.

$ time ls -U > /dev/null # cached

real 0m1.471s
user 0m0.530s
sys 0m0.940s

Re: does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-02T16:11:16Z

On April 1, 2009 at 21:00, Jeff Breidenbach wrote:

> I *think* mhonarc is doing a listdir operation as
> a safety check to avoid clobbering existing message files. (I tried to
> find out via strace, but managed instead to confuse myself). Is this
> actually true, and if so, can the directory listing be reasonably
> turned off?

Not w/o code modifications.

The directory scan is to determine what the last message number
is so when new messages get added, the message filenames will
continue from the last message number, and as you have already
noted, avoid overwriting any existing files.

One method to avoid the directory scan is to have mhonarc store
what the last message number was in the db. When mhonarc
initializes itself when called again, it can use the value
from the db (if present) versus scanning the directory.

--ewh

does mhonarc do a directory listing?

2009-04-01T21:00:23Z

This question is a little esoteric.

I decided to try improving mhonarc's archiving speed with one of those
whiz-bang solid state drives from Intel. Unfortunately, they are
pretty low capacity and I can't fit all the data. So I decided to go
with a hybrid strategy; all new writes go to the SSD, but tons of
files still exist on the rotating rust. The way to do this is a union
mount, and Linux has tons implementation floating around. I chose one
called aufs. Unfortunately, aufs is not that great when listing
directory contents. I *think* mhonarc is doing a listdir operation as
a safety check to avoid clobbering existing message files. (I tried to
find out via strace, but managed instead to confuse myself). Is this
actually true, and if so, can the directory listing be reasonably
turned off?

$ time ls -U /mnt/rotating-rust | wc -l # cached
1382438

real 0m2.224s
user 0m1.600s
sys 0m0.900s

$ time ls -U /mnt/whizzy-ssd | wc -l
10099

real 0m0.013s
user 0m0.000s
sys 0m0.010s

$ time ls -U /mnt/the-unholy-union | wc -l
1391390

real 1m10.115s
user 0m0.540s
sys 1m9.430s

Re: possible UTF-8 buglet

2009-03-22T20:54:25Z

On March 22, 2009 at 14:43, Jeff Breidenbach wrote:

> I'm seeing a little bit of weird behaviour in the Tamil lanaguage.
> Check out the subject line on the message page, which is fine. Versus
> the same subject line on the index page, which is rendering
> incorrectly due to a UTF-8 character being split by whitespace. (This
> is the lastest message from 2009/03/21). Basically, we get different
> results between $SUBJECTNA$ and $SUBJECT$, with the former being
> correct. The more-or-less raw message can be obtained from the
> Pipermail archive, or I can supply it.
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-l10n-tam@.../msg00617.html
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-l10n-tam@.../maillist.html

I see no difference in the message subject in question.

I first installed Tamil fonts on my linux system so the text will
render using a proper font. I can see no difference.

However, since I know nothing of Tamil and not trusting that my
eye can accurately determine any differences, I extracted the text
from the index file and the message file and did a cmp on them: no
difference. I.e. I did a byte-for-byte comparison of the subject
text and there is no difference.

Could you elaborate more on what difference you are actually seeing?

Could the problem be due to how your browser/display is configured?
Do you have the proper fonts installed?

If you can provide a message the generates a byte-for-byte difference
for the same subject text, I can examine further.

--ewh

possible UTF-8 buglet

2009-03-22T14:43:00Z

I'm seeing a little bit of weird behaviour in the Tamil lanaguage.
Check out the subject line on the message page, which is fine. Versus
the same subject line on the index page, which is rendering
incorrectly due to a UTF-8 character being split by whitespace. (This
is the lastest message from 2009/03/21). Basically, we get different
results between $SUBJECTNA$ and $SUBJECT$, with the former being
correct. The more-or-less raw message can be obtained from the
Pipermail archive, or I can supply it.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-l10n-tam@.../msg00617.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-l10n-tam@.../maillist.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-l10n-tam/

<TextEncode>
utf-8; MHonArc::UTF8::to_utf8; MHonArc/UTF8.pm
</TextEncode>

<LiTemplate>
<li>
<span class="date">$YYYYMMDD$</span>
<span class="subject">$SUBJECT$</span>
<span class="sender">$FROMNAME$</span>
</LiTemplate>

<SubjectHeader>
<div class="msgHead">
<h1><span class="subject">$SUBJECTNA:200$</span></h1>
<p><span class="sender">$FROMNAME:200$</span><br>
<span class="date">$DATE:200$</span></p>
</div>
</SubjectHeader>

# perl -v
This is perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi

# mhonarc -v
MHonArc v2.6.16+ (Perl 5.008008 linux)

Alternative resource for subject index showing topics....

2009-02-28T18:28:19Z

Hi

I am struggling creating a "current topics" of our list using an alternative resource for the thread index.

currently it shows as:

* [list name] subject A - author

* Re: [list name] subject A - author 2

* Re: [list name] subject A - author 3

* [list name] subject B - author 4

* Re: [list name] subject B- author 5

* [list name] subject C - author 6

I want it to show as:

Topics for Today:

subject A

subject B

subject C

can it be done?

Thanks

RE: Modern mail archive layout using mhonarc

2009-02-26T10:50:12Z

As they say, "me three".

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-mhonarc-users@...
[mailto:owner-mhonarc-users@...] On Behalf Of Dave Dewey
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:33 PM
To: mhonarc-users@...
Subject: Re: Modern mail archive layout using mhonarc

Quoting Ngieen Siao-Mak (ngieen@...):

>
> Make it a commercial version! I am sure $$ is a good motivation!
;_))

I would support this also. Mhonarc is a critical part of my user
community, but it's getting creaky. It definitely would be worth
paying for to have something with better integration into other
platforms and has a better search interface.

Re: Modern mail archive layout using mhonarc

2009-02-26T10:32:41Z

Quoting Ngieen Siao-Mak (ngieen@...):

>
> Make it a commercial version! I am sure $$ is a good motivation! ;_))

I would support this also. Mhonarc is a critical part of my user
community, but it's getting creaky. It definitely would be worth
paying for to have something with better integration into other
platforms and has a better search interface.

Re: Modern mail archive layout using mhonarc

2009-02-25T20:24:49Z

Thank you Earl;

Not sure if this will help you, but years ago, I did a custom job for
Cisco to support the generation of a "discussion" pages.

Is there a working demo of the layout?

I was hoping to modify the work and repackage it for a more general
audience, but never did it. However, for those interested, your
can download the custom script at the following location:

BTW, the core, venerable code base of mhonarc makes certain things
difficult, especially functionality that implies a more dynamic nature.
And scalability is a problem for large archives. Mhonarc is a good
example of a program that has out-grown its original intentions :)

Mailing lists and webarchive are still *hot* . the dynamics are better than the forums as we visit the users (via email) rather than waiting for the users to login to the forums. I am sure that with a modern utility to archive the mailing list more will be using it rather than changing to web boards... I would pay for a good mail list archive utility.

I've considered numerous times to redesign and re-implement mhonarc,
but there has been little motivation to do so. The work will take
a non-trivial amount of time, and I have other priorities.

Make it a commercial version! I am sure $$ is a good motivation! ;_))

Re: Modern mail archive layout using mhonarc

2009-02-22T21:50:25Z

On February 23, 2009 at 11:54, Ngieen Siao-Mak wrote:

> Did anyone try to layout a mail archive with features and layout that are
> similar to Google Groups? Is it possible? What does it required?

Not sure if this will help you, but years ago, I did a custom job for
Cisco to support the generation of a "discussion" pages. These were
pages that contain all the messages of a thread. The nature of
the contract allowed me to do the work under the GPL, so I can
redistribute it.

I was hoping to modify the work and repackage it for a more general
audience, but never did it. However, for those interested, your
can download the custom script at the following location:

http://www.mhonarc.org/cisco/

v0.2.3 was the last version done. Documentation is provided
describing how it works. The mha-cisco script is a good example
of utilizing the simple API mhonarc provides to extend it functionality.

BTW, the core, venerable code base of mhonarc makes certain things
difficult, especially functionality that implies a more dynamic nature.
And scalability is a problem for large archives. Mhonarc is a good
example of a program that has out-grown its original intentions :)

Work-arounds do exist to work with scalability issues, but they
can vary depending on the operating model one wants to achieve.

I've considered numerous times to redesign and re-implement mhonarc,
but there has been little motivation to do so. The work will take
a non-trivial amount of time, and I have other priorities.

--ewh

Modern mail archive layout using mhonarc

2009-02-22T20:54:26Z

Did anyone try to layout a mail archive with features and layout that are similar to Google Groups? Is it possible? What does it required? If possible and not freely available, would anyone be interested in pa paid project?

thanks!

Re: Showing only one and last email of a mbox in the archive

2008-12-04T19:24:23Z

Ganoksin wrote:
> I need to create an archive where only one email is shown. the last one
> received. any suggestion on how to get around it? thanks!

Check out the <MAXSIZE> resource.

--
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Email: http://www.gunnar.cc/cgi-bin/contact.pl

Showing only one and last email of a mbox in the archive

2008-12-04T19:12:34Z

I need to create an archive where only one email is shown. the last one received. any suggestion on how to get around it? thanks!

Re: inverted quoting

2008-11-15T03:26:41Z

In the context of this discussion, it might be possible to just
assemble threads in a single place, using the context of new content
based on the quotations. I think
http://harnly.net/publications/Yeh-2006-Email%20Thread%20Reassembly%20Using%20Similarity%20Matching.pdf
may be of interest.

Cheers,

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