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Mac Mini Server
by Wayne Stewart
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Hi,
I just found about about this. It might be of some interest to people: <www.apple.com/macmini/server/> A nice cheap mac server for small installations. Cheers, Wayne ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Milan Adamov
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Yes, that is nice little machine for Mac version of 4D Server v11 SQL.
B) Milan On 21.10.2009., at 12.22, Wayne Stewart wrote: > Hi, > > I just found about about this. It might be of some interest to > people: > > <www.apple.com/macmini/server/> > > A nice cheap mac server for small installations. ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Arnaud de Montard
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Le 21 oct. 09 à 12:56, Milan Adamov a écrit : > Yes, that is nice little machine for Mac version of 4D Server v11 > SQL. B) Nice, I like Macmini as a 4D server, and hoped for a macmini with two internal HDs :-) But it needs an external CD/DVD :-( -- Arnaud de Montard ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Milan Adamov
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Why would you need CD or DVD on a server?
I am managing/administering several Xserves, I can't remember when was the last time I used optical drive on them. Milan On 21.10.2009., at 14.16, Arnaud de Montard wrote: > > Le 21 oct. 09 à 12:56, Milan Adamov a écrit : > >> Yes, that is nice little machine for Mac version of 4D Server v11 >> SQL. B) > > Nice, I like Macmini as a 4D server, and hoped for a macmini with > two internal HDs :-) > But it needs an external CD/DVD :-( > ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Pedro Castel-Branco-2
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Its a very nice idea from Apple and if you need a Super drive you can
buy a external. It is possible change the disks? I have 2 MacMini as 4d Server and works nice On 2009/10/21, at 14:11, Milan Adamov wrote: > Why would you need CD or DVD on a server? > > I am managing/administering several Xserves, I can't remember when > was the last time I used optical drive on them. > > Milan > > On 21.10.2009., at 14.16, Arnaud de Montard wrote: > >> >> Le 21 oct. 09 à 12:56, Milan Adamov a écrit : >> >>> Yes, that is nice little machine for Mac version of 4D Server v11 >>> SQL. B) >> >> Nice, I like Macmini as a 4D server, and hoped for a macmini with >> two internal HDs :-) >> But it needs an external CD/DVD :-( >> > > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL > before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com > > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... > ********************************************************************** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pedro Castel-Branco Infordesenvolvimento Sistemas de Informação e Desenvolvimento de Bases de Dados, Lda. Revendedor Autorizado Apple 4D Partner Av. Javea Aldeamento Turistico Palmela Village 31-5 2950-580 Quinta do Anjo Portugal Tlm: (+351) 917263116 Mail: pedrocb@... www.infordesenvolvimento.pt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Milan Adamov
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On 21.10.2009., at 15.21, Pedro Castel-Branco wrote: > Its a very nice idea from Apple and if you need a Super drive you > can buy a external. > > It is possible change the disks? > > > I have 2 MacMini as 4d Server and works nice > Bom dia Pedro, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. Milan ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Per Gotthardsson
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Cool
I run 2 mac mini server systems with 4D server. Performance is very good. Web and 5 clients. /pg 21 okt 2009 kl. 12.22 skrev Wayne Stewart: > > > A nice cheap mac server for small installations. > ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Arnaud de Montard
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Le 21 oct. 09 à 15:11, Milan Adamov a écrit : > Why would you need CD or DVD on a server? > > I am managing/administering several Xserves, I can't remember when > was the last time I used optical drive on them. I don't know, it's a question: how to re install system, for example? -- Arnaud de Montard ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Peter Schumacher-2
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Arnaud,
you could start it in 'Target Mode',it has a FW800. Am 21.10.2009 um 16:43 schrieb Arnaud de Montard: > I don't know, it's a question: how to re install system, for example? Greetings, [4D-Consulting.com]eK, Wiesbaden (Germany) Peter Schumacher -------------------------------------------------------- Web: http://www.4D-Consulting.com/ FreeCall: 0800-434 636 7 Tel.: +49-611-9406.850 - Fax: +49-611-9406.744 4D-Consulting.com eK - Scharnhorststr. 36 - 65195 Wiesbaden Member of the German Developer Network http://www.die4dwerkstatt.de ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by dlittle.nospam
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Anybody know when they'll be coming out with the matching Mac Mini Raid?
With the size of drives they're using, you should be able to get about 6 of them into a case the same size as the mini. Dennis On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Peter Schumacher <plist@...>wrote: > Arnaud, > > you could start it in 'Target Mode',it has a FW800. > > Am 21.10.2009 um 16:43 schrieb Arnaud de Montard: > > I don't know, it's a question: how to re install system, for example? >> > > Greetings, > [4D-Consulting.com]eK, Wiesbaden (Germany) > Peter Schumacher > -------------------------------------------------------- > Web: http://www.4D-Consulting.com/ > FreeCall: 0800-434 636 7 > Tel.: +49-611-9406.850 - Fax: +49-611-9406.744 > 4D-Consulting.com eK - Scharnhorststr. 36 - 65195 Wiesbaden > Member of the German Developer Network http://www.die4dwerkstatt.de > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL > before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Milan Adamov
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On 21.10.2009., at 16.43, Arnaud de Montard wrote: > > Le 21 oct. 09 à 15:11, Milan Adamov a écrit : > >> Why would you need CD or DVD on a server? >> >> I am managing/administering several Xserves, I can't remember when >> was the last time I used optical drive on them. > > I don't know, it's a question: how to re install system, for example? > As Peter already mentioned, there is Firewire, Intel Macs can be booted from external USB drives also, even flash sticks, there is CD/ DVD Sharing software even for Windows which you can use to install Mac OS X over network. Milan ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Silver Surfer-2
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We have a pile of mini's running 4D at macminicolo.net.
They work great. Disclosure: We started macminicolo to meet our 4D hosting needs. I do no longer have any financial interest in ti. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Milan Adamov <madamov@...> wrote: > > On 21.10.2009., at 16.43, Arnaud de Montard wrote: > > >> Le 21 oct. 09 à 15:11, Milan Adamov a écrit : >> >> Why would you need CD or DVD on a server? >>> >>> I am managing/administering several Xserves, I can't remember when was >>> the last time I used optical drive on them. >>> >> >> I don't know, it's a question: how to re install system, for example? >> >> > As Peter already mentioned, there is Firewire, Intel Macs can be booted > from external USB drives also, even flash sticks, there is CD/DVD Sharing > software even for Windows which you can use to install Mac OS X over > network. > > Milan > > > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL > before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Spencer Hinsdale
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On 10/22/09 10:17 AM, "Silver Surfer" <silversurfer@...> wrote:
> We have a pile of mini's running 4D at macminicolo.net. > > They work great. > > Disclosure: We started macminicolo to meet our 4D hosting needs. I do no > longer have any financial interest in ti. > Is your real name Norin Radd? -spencer ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Stephen Shaw-3
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Does 4D Server gain anything by being on a server rather than single
user OS on the Mac? On 21 Oct 2009, at 11:56, Milan Adamov wrote: > Yes, that is nice little machine for Mac version of 4D Server v11 > SQL. B) > > Milan > > On 21.10.2009., at 12.22, Wayne Stewart wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just found about about this. It might be of some interest to >> people: >> >> <www.apple.com/macmini/server/> >> >> A nice cheap mac server for small installations. > > ********************************************************************** > Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL > before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... > ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Jody Bevan
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Stephen:
I do not believe that 4D Server gains any performance by simply being installed on OS X Server, as opposed to OS X. Jody On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Stephen Shaw wrote: > Does 4D Server gain anything by being on a server rather than single > user OS on the Mac? ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Just In Time
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In addition, Mac OS X Server may actually eat up some processor time from 4D Server if you have extraneous services running that you're not using. Not that you're going to use a Mini if speed is really an issue for your 4D Server, but the Minis are only dual-core and it should be a consideration for v11 Server. Personally, I run 4D Server v11 and 2004 on Mac Minis and they work great for small office systems. In fact, I went from a floor full of server machines to a stack of Mac Minis on a shelf with an Airport Extreme on top and some external storage sitting on the shelf next to them. A couple of KVM switches and large LCD monitors, and I have never had so much free desk space. And I can use the space under my desk for my legs again :-) -----
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Chuck Miller-2
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I think the only time to run osx server is twofold.
one on an xserve, as I think that you can get better performance from one of those machines two if you are using server as a file share as well or for other server type thing. Be aware that OSX server needs more memory to operate than OSX single user. We have on machine that we had to reserve 512 for server in OSX server (See 4d server preferences (physical memory to be reserved) as opposed to 256 Regards Chuck --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306 Informed Solutions, Inc. Fax: (617) 232-1064 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by Basil Bourque
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Some folks may be missing the point of the Mac mini server's software
and hardware. ----| Software |--------- The Mac mini server comes with "Snow Leopard Server", while the other Mac minis come with "Snow Leopard". Both are the same OS, Mac OS X, with the same code base. http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/ The difference is that the server version of Mac OS X adds a slew of server-oriented programs such as file server, email server, web server, Java servlet server, calendar server, instant message server, Spotlight search server, Authentication servers, and much more. Many of these are open-source projects you could download and install on Mac OS X (non-Server). But Apple has saved you the time and trouble with Mac OS X Server. http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/features/ Apple also built some software to wrap many of those programs for simplified administration. http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/features/simple-administration.html None of this will make your 4D Server run faster!!! Just the opposite: More software competing for CPU and memory. If you want a server to run only 4D Server, there is no need to buy Mac OS X Server. Unlike certain other large vendors, Apple does not charge a fee for client computer licenses to use the server. Mac OS X Leopard normally costs $500 for the server-side license. So being bundled in the new Mac mini Server is an excellent value. Assuming you want all that extra software. ----| Hardware |--------- The "Mac mini" and "Mac mini Server" have the same hardware except the DVD drive has been replaced by a second SATA laptop drive. So you have 2 hard drives, both laptop-size 2.5", and larger half-terabyte each. That allows you to use Apple's bundled RAID software to mirror the 2 drives for safety. People have alwasy been hacking their little minis to make low-end servers. Recent models have used a SATA connection for the DVD drive. So people would remove the DVD drive, cut a hole in the case, and run a SATA cable from the internal connector to an external SATA drive or SATA RAID device. SATA = speed (faster even than FireWire) RAID = safety Apple has recognized this market for low-end servers, and has now chosen to serve that market directly. http://www.apple.com/macmini/ http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/ With gigabit Ethernet, 4 gigs of memory, dual cores, fast bus, and SATA connectors, the Mac mini is an excellent server value. For $200 extra, you get the second hard drive and Mac OS X Server. What you don't get, as in a "real server", is redundant higher-quality power supplies, redundant fans, higher-performance and higher- reliability hard drives, hardware-based RAID, and lights-out management. ----| Missing DVD Drive |--------- If you need a CD/DVD drive, Apple sells an external SuperDrive for $99. Runs over USB cable, not FireWire. Self-powered over the USB cable. CAUTION: Beware that this Apple SuperDrive draws more electricity than supplied by the USB standard, so it can only be used by specially- designed computers. As far as I know, that means only the MacBook Air and the newest Mac minis. Apple MacBook Air SuperDrive http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB397G/A I have had success in using a similar external DVD drive from LaCie. http://www.lacie.com/us/products/range.htm?id=10037 --Basil Bourque ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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Re: Mac Mini Server
by bill-66
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The main reason I recommend the xServer, as it does have redundant
power supplies, live slide in out hard drives, and such... Cool... ----------------- Bill Michling bill@... ----------------- On Nov 1, 2009, at 2:23 AM, Basil Bourque wrote: > What you don't get, as in a "real server", is redundant higher- > quality power supplies, redundant fans, higher-performance and > higher-reliability hard drives, hardware-based RAID, and lights-out > management. ********************************************************************** Get the speed and power of 4D v11 SQL before upgrade prices increase - http://www.4d.com 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4D.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4D_Tech-Unsubscribe@... ********************************************************************** |
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