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by Eugene Lazutkin
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25th time answering questions about mailing lists --- a jubilee!
1) Nabble (web interface). Dojo forum that reflects this mailing list: http://www.nabble.com/Dojo-%282%29-f36462.html You can read/write from Nabble. 2) Gmane (web interface) Dojo forum that reflects this mailing list: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.dojo.user You have a choice: a) threads: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.dojo.user b) flat blog-like: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.dojo.user You can read/write from Gmane. 3) Gmane (NNTP) Subscribe with your favorite news reader: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.dojo.user You can read/write using NNTP. This is my choice --- I use Mozilla Thunderbird to read NNTP. It can show a news group in a variety of ways, and it has message filters to boot! While anybody can read, in order to write with options 1-3 you have to subscribe to the mailing list: http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest The trick is to go to the mailing list settings, and disable all emails (provided you don't want them) --- this way it is a pure "pull" schema --- you go and read the mailing list whenever you like without an avalanche of emails. Gmane is good enough to carry open-source mailing lists of public interest. If it is not there, you can always ask to add --- I did it on multiple occasions. Of course there is one more option: 4) Getting email. It is not that bad as it sounds to many. There are some mailing lists I don't feel like pushing on Gmane, so I use this option. Obviously I don't want to be overwhelmed by 1000s of emails per day, so I organize. a) gmail allows to classify emails using simple criteria. It is in settings. Usually I use a sender's email, or a prefix in subject to classify my email. It is in settings --- check it out. When email fits my criteria I label it (in the settings too) and archive it. Later on I click on the label and see new emails. Useful hint: if your email is abcdefg@..., you can use absdefg+something@... too. For example, you can subscribe to dojo mailing lists using absdefg+dojo@..., and process all emails that came to this address differently, e.g., forward them, or label them. b) Actually it is a variation of (a) --- each label is a separate folder, if you access gmail using IMAP. Just use your favorite email program. c) Thunderbird (and many other email programs) can classify email too. I created a folder for email related to dojo checkins and Thunderbird moves all such email to this folder. I can see how many unread items I have on this topic, I can scan them when I have time, and mark all of them as read. Hopefully you can find whatever work for you. The point is if you have a forum, you are stuck with it. With mailing lists options are countless. That's why I always supported the mailing list option. Thanks, Eugene Lazutkin Dojo Toolkit, Committer http://lazutkin.com/ On 09/06/2009 05:27 PM, Micheil Smith wrote: > Well put iRoo, I'm just wondering if we'd be better off moving the > mailing lists > over to something like google groups, so that that way there's the solid > forum style layout, but it's also a mailing list? > > - Micheil > > Insane Kangaroo wrote: >> I read to the fourth paragraph and seen he wanted to still use Dojo, >> even before I read to the end. The guy is a regular textbook case. >> >> He wants to use Dojo on *his* terms. He is welcomed to run a forum by >> himself. Maybe he will contribute the cost of VBulletin to Dojo since he >> wants to run a forum? >> >> I don't care much for his attitude and twisting of words when it comes >> to "why the ML sucks." He sent the "Mailing list sucks" email with >> malicious intent to waste interrupt a public mailing list. >> >> iRoo >> >> >> Shane O'Sullivan wrote: >> >>> I saw that too, and it's a bit over the top. >>> >>> I wrote a long and (I think) reasonable comment on that post >>> yesterday, but Chris as not approved it, even though other comments >>> have been approved since mine. >>> >>> This makes sense unfortunately, given Chris' tone in these emails. >>> It's a bit sad really. Ah well, all we can do is make Dojo better for >>> everyone else I guess. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Shane >>> >>> 2009/9/6 Jose Noheda <jose.noheda@...>: >>> >>>> This is more than I can accept really >>>> http://www.dzone.com/links/rss/what_is_the_future_of_dojo.html >>>> You have to develop a better tool than they could, in your free time, for >>>> free, provide them the bandwith and the documentation, examples and a >>>> campus, provide a mailing list and an IRC channel and your valuable time to >>>> try to help the issues that may arise, build a foundation and side projects. >>>> But no, it's not enough. So yeah, and this is a bandwagon I was not going to >>>> join, go away don't use dojo! Forget completely about us and use whatever >>>> other framework you want. Pretty please. >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Jean-Rubin Leonard <jrleonard@...> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I didnt want to add to this but I feel I have to give my 2 canadian cents. >>>>> I considered myself a total noob at dojo not too long ago. I joined as the >>>>> forums was agonizing. I must say that while there are some weaknesses in the >>>>> doc there are tools out there to help you along the dojo path (I don't know >>>>> about grid). Using the mailing list + joining #dojo on irc is a two pronged >>>>> approach that has allowed me to move forwards in my use of dojo. >>>>> Now I'm not such a newb anymore. This is open source people, you must give >>>>> a little in order to receive. >>>>> JR >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Nikolai Onken <nonken@...> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Chris and everybody else, >>>>>> I've been reading over the thread and just want to say a couple of things >>>>>> which are seriously important: >>>>>> - Lets keep the tone right, just because we are sending virtual messages >>>>>> it doesn't mean we can talk like we know each other really well :) - As >>>>>> James states very rightly. Noone is doing anyone good with writing emails >>>>>> without actual content, so lets try not to do this again. >>>>>> - Of course it would be a pity to lose you as a Dojo user, and email >>>>>> threads shouldn't be affecting this (especially threads with namebashing) >>>>>> If you have issues with how certain things are setup, join the discussion >>>>>> (if it is really important to you hang out during the dojo meetings on >>>>>> wednesdays), we are trying to be open for any type of suggestion - sometimes >>>>>> it is not easy to do so, so as others said be patient and persistent. >>>>>> The efforts of getting the new website, docs and community resources up >>>>>> and running are very much on the way currently and it really is a matter >>>>>> weeks until you should have a much more clearly structured website, so you >>>>>> can find what you are looking for hopefully in a better way. >>>>>> So, heads up, and maybe join the irc channel more often and keep dojoing. >>>>>> We all should have a dojo.beer() ;) >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nikolai >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Chris Hardin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This "ignorant whiner" is jumping ship right now. I am leaving the >>>>>> mailing list and relegating the posts to the spam folder. It's obvious some >>>>>> of you are frogs in slowly boiling water and you're not interested in >>>>>> accomodating more people to get involved. This entire thread has made up my >>>>>> mind. My next project will be Ext or another framework instead of Dojo. Some >>>>>> real change needs to occur in the ranks here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Captain Kangaroo is right about one thing, if you don't like it leave. If >>>>>> enough people stop participating in this ridiculous list, it will change. >>>>>> It's a shame what I considered a great and powerful framework has been >>>>>> reduced to this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adios >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Stefan Vesterlund >>>>>> <stefan.vesterlund@...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know if 'stupid' beats 'insane', or if it matters, but Insane >>>>>>> Kangaroo make some points that should be considered. >>>>>>> It is IMO a quite common attitude that "it's free, so shut up" and "if >>>>>>> you don't like it the way it is, go elsewhere". I think it must be >>>>>>> remembered that all the people that is working for within an open source >>>>>>> community is investing a lot of time and effort into it. They want it to >>>>>>> be a success. The more effort they put into it, the more they _need_ it >>>>>>> to be a success. Nobody can live on work alone because you can not eat a >>>>>>> code snippet and you can not build a house out of widgets. Success is >>>>>>> mainly measured in how many people are using the product of their effort >>>>>>> and how satisfied they are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not only the developers who is investing time and effort, it is >>>>>>> also the end users. A common process when selecting a product is to >>>>>>> first of all get an overview of what is available for you. Then you >>>>>>> compare them, both functionality and cost. Then you check the support >>>>>>> options. Then you try to get an idea of what the users think about the >>>>>>> product. After that you make a choice. If it turns out that the product >>>>>>> failed to live up to your expectations you either live with it or you >>>>>>> abandon it. If you abandon it, you will most likely advice other people >>>>>>> to use something else as well if they ask you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since no one that has comitted themselves to a product really want to >>>>>>> abandon it, the end users are very much in the same situation as the >>>>>>> people more directly involved in the development - they want the product >>>>>>> to be a success so that the time and effort (which equals to money in >>>>>>> most cases) is not wasted. We all have a responsibility in improving the >>>>>>> product. Complaints are annoying, but if there is a lot of complaints >>>>>>> maybe it needs that something should be changed. It is always easier to >>>>>>> complain than to respond to complaints though, and one-dimensional >>>>>>> complaints are rarely leading to anything but unrest and irritation. >>>>>>> Irritated responses to irritated complaints leads to more irritation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So let's behave. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Stefan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Insane Kangaroo schrieb: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Excuse me... all of you who are complaining. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Piss off. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You're using a free resource, which is the mailing list. Don't like >>>>>>>> it? >>>>>>>> Start your own forum. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard complaints of "Dojo mail will fill up my INBOX." How stupid >>>>>>>> are people? USE A SEPARATE EMAIL ACCOUNT FOR DOJO. This is not rocket >>>>>>>> science. Can't search the list? Learn how to google, you obviously >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> know how. A forum will not be any easier. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Those who don't like the mailing list, tough. Want immediate Dojo >>>>>>>> support? PAY FOR IT! We, the community, are not your own personal >>>>>>>> bitch, >>>>>>>> stop treating us like we're supposed to bend over for every question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stop starting and contributing to these meaningless threads. Spend >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> time on developing or performing some meaningful action instead of >>>>>>>> wasting time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to the developers and contributors. Everyone else >>>>>>>> can go screw themselves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> Insane Kangaroo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Terry Carnes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Peter, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can definitely identify with Chris. I've tried getting answers and >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> found that if the answer may not be readily available, the question >>>>>>>>> quickly >>>>>>>>> gets buried under a mass of other emails. I would then try to break >>>>>>>>> down my >>>>>>>>> problem into different parts and try to ask related questions that >>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>> help me accomplish my original task. But did not have very good >>>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I went back over my email questions for the past month. I averaged a >>>>>>>>> 25% >>>>>>>>> response rate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Date Subject >>>>>>>>> Response >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ============================================================================ >>>>>>>>> ========================== >>>>>>>>> 8/4/09 dojo grid - How to do Master with expanding Detail >>>>>>>>> 1 - link to >>>>>>>>> online example >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 8/11/09 dojo grid - How to do Master with expanding Detail >>>>>>>>> none >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 8/14/09 dojo grid - How to do Master with expanding Detail >>>>>>>>> none >>>>>>>>> (included code of what I'm trying) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 8/15/09 dojo grid - How to do Master with expanding Detail >>>>>>>>> 1- >>>>>>>>> suggestion to use Tree grid and >>>>>>>>> (update and further questions) >>>>>>>>> offer of sample code >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 8/17/09 Dojo Grid - How to use inRowIndex to get value from >>>>>>>>> none >>>>>>>>> Column >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 8/18/09 Dojo Grid - Trying to create Detail Rows >>>>>>>>> none >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 8/18/09 dojo grid - How to do Master with expanding Detail >>>>>>>>> none >>>>>>>>> (taking up earlier offer for sample code) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 9/1/09 Where do I find documentation for Dojo DataGrids >>>>>>>>> none >>>>>>>>> and use of Layout, get and formatter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 9/1/09 Dojo DataGrid - combining fields in Get >>>>>>>>> 2 - very >>>>>>>>> helpful replies! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 9/2/09 Sorting on Grid with sub row fails - bug? >>>>>>>>> None >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 9/3/09 Sorting DataGrid with colspan dies >>>>>>>>> none >>>>>>>>> so far >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Terry Carnes >>>>>>>>> www.peacehilltechnologies.com >>>>>>>>> www.peacehillfarm.com >>>>>>>>> www.anemergentagrarian.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: dojo-interest-bounces@... >>>>>>>>> [mailto:dojo-interest-bounces@...] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> Peter E >>>>>>>>> Higgins >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:12 AM >>>>>>>>> To: dojo-interest@... >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dojo-interest] Mailing list Sucks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Peter Higgins wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Most of the threads in my inbox have responses or go on and on. Did >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> ask something specifically and it was missed? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Peter E Higgins >>>>>>>>> Dojo Project Lead : http://dojotoolkit.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq >>>>>>>>> Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org >>>>>>>>> Dojo-interest@... >>>>>>>>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq >>>>>>> Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org >>>>>>> Dojo-interest@... >>>>>>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq >>>>>> Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org >>>>>> Dojo-interest@... >>>>>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq >>>>>> Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org >>>>>> Dojo-interest@... >>>>>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq >>>>> Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org >>>>> Dojo-interest@... >>>>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq >>>> Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org >>>> Dojo-interest@... >>>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq >>> Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org >>> Dojo-interest@... >>> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq >> Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org >> Dojo-interest@... >> http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest >> > _______________________________________________ > FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq > Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org > Dojo-interest@... > http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest > _______________________________________________ FAQ: http://dojotoolkit.org/support/faq Book: http://docs.dojocampus.org Dojo-interest@... http://mail.dojotoolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/dojo-interest |
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