Maintaining praat in Debian Med team?

[Andreas Tille-5]

Hi Rafael,

your package praat was included in the Psychology task of the Debian Med
Blend[1].  I realised that the packaged version is some minor versions
behind upstream (Debian has 5.1.7, upstream has 5.1.17).  I wonder whether
this has some technical reason or whether you might struggle with other
tasks and you just not find time for this package.

In case you might need a backup maintainer you might consider joining
the Debian Med team.  I have seen that you are using git to maintain
praat and we did not yet updated our policy to mention the freshly
created git archive.  So I will not point you to our packaging policy
which might be not that relevant for you but just want to hear whether
you are interested at all.

Kind regards and thanks for maintaining praat

      Andreas.


[1] http://debian-med.alioth.debian.org/tasks/psychology

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[Andreas Tille-5]

Sorry for answering my own mail:

  An alternative option for team maintenance might be

   Experimental Psychology Maintainers <pkg-exppsy-maintainers@...>

  for sure - but this team might comment on this themselves.

Kind regards

       Andreas.

On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 03:54:54PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:

> Hi Rafael,
>
> your package praat was included in the Psychology task of the Debian Med
> Blend[1].  I realised that the packaged version is some minor versions
> behind upstream (Debian has 5.1.7, upstream has 5.1.17).  I wonder whether
> this has some technical reason or whether you might struggle with other
> tasks and you just not find time for this package.
>
> In case you might need a backup maintainer you might consider joining
> the Debian Med team.  I have seen that you are using git to maintain
> praat and we did not yet updated our policy to mention the freshly
> created git archive.  So I will not point you to our packaging policy
> which might be not that relevant for you but just want to hear whether
> you are interested at all.
>
> Kind regards and thanks for maintaining praat
>
>       Andreas.
>
>
> [1] http://debian-med.alioth.debian.org/tasks/psychology
>
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[Michael Hanke]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 03:58:53PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Sorry for answering my own mail:
>
>   An alternative option for team maintenance might be
>
>    Experimental Psychology Maintainers <pkg-exppsy-maintainers@...>
>
>   for sure - but this team might comment on this themselves.

If there is need for assistance just drop us a note. We use git for
almost all packages (look for 'pkg-exppsy' on git.debian.org).


Cheers,

Michael

> On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 03:54:54PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > Hi Rafael,
> >
> > your package praat was included in the Psychology task of the Debian Med
> > Blend[1].  I realised that the packaged version is some minor versions
> > behind upstream (Debian has 5.1.7, upstream has 5.1.17).  I wonder whether
> > this has some technical reason or whether you might struggle with other
> > tasks and you just not find time for this package.
> >
> > In case you might need a backup maintainer you might consider joining
> > the Debian Med team.  I have seen that you are using git to maintain
> > praat and we did not yet updated our policy to mention the freshly
> > created git archive.  So I will not point you to our packaging policy
> > which might be not that relevant for you but just want to hear whether
> > you are interested at all.
> >
> > Kind regards and thanks for maintaining praat
> >
> >       Andreas.
> >
> >
> > [1] http://debian-med.alioth.debian.org/tasks/psychology
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[Andreas Tille-5]

On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:29:02AM -0400, Michael Hanke wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 03:58:53PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > Sorry for answering my own mail:
> >
> >   An alternative option for team maintenance might be
> >
> >    Experimental Psychology Maintainers <pkg-exppsy-maintainers@...>
> >
> >   for sure - but this team might comment on this themselves.
>
> If there is need for assistance just drop us a note. We use git for
> almost all packages (look for 'pkg-exppsy' on git.debian.org).

I'd prefer this.  Unfortunately the address <rafael@...> bounced.
So perhaps we might reach Rafael via a bug report "new version
available"?

Kind regards

     Andreas.

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[Andreas Tille-5]

Hi,

I realised that the r-cran-psy package has not changed since etch and is
featuring a nasty long standing bug #400726 for nearly three years.  I
guess the fact that upstream seems to be dead (no new version since June
2005[1]) has prevented your from updating the package.  If you ask me
you should try to polish the package a bit (for instance adding Homepage
fields etc.) and considering the good experiences I made with using cdbs
and /usr/share/R/debian/r-cran.mk.

If you need help to do this - perhaps you have some time constraints,
I'd strongly suggest to consider group maintenance either in the
Experimental Psychology Maintainers or the Debian Med team.  In case
you like this idea but have no idea what this mean you are very welcome
to ask here on the list for further help.

BTW, when looking for the upstream sources I also noticed that there
is r-cran-psych and I wonder whether this might serve as an upstream
actively maintained replacement or an interesting addition.

Kind regards and thanks for maintaining r-cran-psy

    Andreas.

[1] http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/psy/index.html
[2] http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/psych/index.html

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[Charles Plessy-12]

Le Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:03:27AM +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit :
>
> I realised that the r-cran-psy package has not changed since etch and is
> featuring a nasty long standing bug #400726 for nearly three years.  I
> guess the fact that upstream seems to be dead (no new version since June
> 2005[1]) has prevented your from updating the package.  If you ask me
> you should try to polish the package a bit (for instance adding Homepage
> fields etc.) and considering the good experiences I made with using cdbs
> and /usr/share/R/debian/r-cran.mk.

Hi all,

in addition to this, I would like to remind the existence of a repository of
autobuilt R packages. It was announced by Dirk Eddelbuettel on multiple mailing
lists this year:

http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/19035.40101.199706.453815@...

With this repository available, I think that it does not bring much added value
anymore to package leaf CRAN packages that do not need compilation or difficult
build-dependancies, and that are not a dependancy of other packages.

If r-cran-psy is one of them, I think that it would not be too impolite to our
users to drop it if we do not have the manpower to keep it.

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[Andreas Tille-5]

On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 05:34:31PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> If r-cran-psy is one of them, I think that it would not be too impolite to our
> users to drop it if we do not have the manpower to keep it.

While I really like the cran2deb effort we are missing IMHO one feature
of the Blends scope:  We have less chances to direct users of the field
Psychology to this package.  Well, the Blends tools are flexible enough
to show the package as "Inofficial Debian Package" and it will be listed
in the Suggests of med-psychology which leads to good chances for the
user to get the package if he is using the apropriate sources.list entry
to cran2deb.  So from a technical perspective it is not that bad.

But we will probably loose the Debian Med internal knowledge about this
project.  That was implyed in my initial mail where I was asking about
the status of this package and a possible replacement.  Perhaps it is
not even a good idea to Suggest this package any more and we should drop
it at all because it is outdated and replaced by r-cran-psych?

Regarding the mapower to polish the package technically I do not see
a real bottleneck because it is quite simple (thanks to Dirks perfect
build stuff).  But I care about the context of the package.

Kind regards

     Andreas.

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