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Re: urpmi-recover

2009-11-11T03:15:10Z

Thanks.
Now that is deprecated, is there anything else that provides similar checkpoint/roll-back functionality for packages?

While this is on my mind, do people have views on how to handle updates:
- every now and then we get a notification of various updates
- do you apply them all, or selectively, or not at all?
- do you run test systems to make sure you're happy with the updates before applying them to 'production' systems?
- do you take a system backup before applying updates?
What is regarded as 'best practice'?

Thanks.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Sergio Belkin <sebelk@...> wrote:

2009/11/11 adam jvok <ajvok1@...>:

> Anyone know where I might find the urpmi-recover rpm for 2010?
>
> This was available with 2009.0, but seems to have gone missing.
>
>

AFAIK, urpmi.recover relies con repackaging feature of RPM and now
it's deprecated....

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Re: urpmi-recover

2009-11-11T02:27:29Z

2009/11/11 adam jvok <ajvok1@...>:
> Anyone know where I might find the urpmi-recover rpm for 2010?
>
> This was available with 2009.0, but seems to have gone missing.
>
>

AFAIK, urpmi.recover relies con repackaging feature of RPM and now
it's deprecated....

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Re: 2009.1 and konqueror 3.5.10

2009-11-11T01:28:15Z

On Tuesday 10 November 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from bascule <asura@...> who wrote:

> just to check i installed all these and still konqueror won't render
> properly,

Have you checked the file association for .html ?

Cheers,

Ron.
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it is the illusion of knowledge.
-- Daniel J. Boorstin

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urpmi-recover

2009-11-10T21:52:27Z

Anyone know where I might find the urpmi-recover rpm for 2010?

This was available with 2009.0, but seems to have gone missing.

Re: 2009.1 and konqueror 3.5.10

2009-11-10T20:48:49Z

On Wednesday 11 November 2009 00:14:09 bascule wrote:
> just to check i installed all these and still konqueror won't render
> properly, now uninstalling the kde4 cruft again

more experiments in virtual machines, turns out that a install of i586 2009.1
kde3 results in a perfectly working konqueror, but an install of x86_64 kde3
in a vmachine reproduces my pronlem here, go fish, since i also have here no
working cd/dvd drives - despite the existence of /dev/sr1 /dev/sr0 and also
no working bluetooth, i'm tempted to go back to i586, given i have a dual
core 64bit machine what would i be giving up performance wise?

bascule

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5!
wrong.
ooooh!"

Re: 2009.1 and konqueror 3.5.10

2009-11-10T16:14:09Z

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 18:39:46 Diego Bello wrote:
> Also, in the same computer, try using konqueror with a new account and see
> if the problem persists.

made a test user, went to my domain hoster, check this out!
this suggests a problem with konqueror itslef but then surely we would have
all heard the complaints? i did a new install of 2009.1 keeping my home
directory, installing lxde only and then after rebooting installing task-kde3
to get kde3, afterwards i stripped out a lot of kde4 stuff like kmail4 and
things that had been installed by task-kde3 i don't want to put them back
since i can't see how that would my experience using kde any simpler but it's
interesting to see what resintalling task-kde3 would put back on the
computer:
[root@mycroft bascule]# urpmi --test task-kde3
To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
(test only, installation will not be actually done)
Package Version Release Arch
(medium "Main (2009.11)")
paprefs 0.9.8 1mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
task-pulseaudio 2009.0 2mdv2009.1 noarch
(suggested)
(medium "Main Updates (2009.12)")
akregator 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
kaddressbook 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
kdepim4-core 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
kdepim4-kresources 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
kdepimlibs4-core 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
kmail 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
knode 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
knotes 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
korganizer 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64akonadi-kcal4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64akonadi-kde4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64akregatorinterfaces4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64akregatorprivate4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64gnokii4 0.6.27 3.2mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64gwsoap4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kabc4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kabc_file_core4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kabc_groupdav4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kabc_slox4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kabc_xmlrpc4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kabckolab4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kabcommon4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kabcscalix4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kabinterfaces4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kaddressbookprivate4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kblog4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcal4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcal_groupdav4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcal_groupwise4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcal_resourceblog4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcal_resourcefeatureplan4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcal_resourceremote4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcal_slox4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcal_xmlrpc4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcalkolab4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kcalscalix4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kdepim4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kgroupwarebase4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kgroupwaredav4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kholidays4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kimap4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kimproxy4 4.2.4 0.3mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kldap4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kleo4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kmailprivate4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kmime4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64knodecommon4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64knotes_xmlrpc4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64knoteskolab4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64knotesscalix4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kocorehelper4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kontactinterfaces4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64korg_stdprinting4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64korganizer_calendar4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64korganizer_eventviewer4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64korganizerprivate4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kpgp4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kpimidentities4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kpimutils4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kresources4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64ksieve4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kslox4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64ktnef4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64kxmlrpcclient4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64mailtransport4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64mimelib4 4.2.4 0.8mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
lib64syndication4 4.2.4 0.0mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
mandriva-galaxy 2009.1 11.1mdv2009.1 x86_64
pulseaudio-module-gconf 0.9.15 2.0.6mdv2009> x86_64
(suggested)
pulseaudio-module-x11 0.9.15 2.0.6mdv2009> x86_64
(suggested)
pulseaudio-module-zeroconf 0.9.15 2.0.6mdv2009> x86_64
(suggested)
pulseaudio-utils 0.9.15 2.0.6mdv2009> x86_64
(suggested)
(medium "Main32 Updates (2009.14)")
mandriva-galaxy-data 2009.1 11.1mdv2009.1 noarch
(medium "Contrib (2009.111)")
kdeaddons-akregator 3.5.10 4mdv2009.1 x86_64
kdepim3-akregator 3.5.10 3mdv2009.1 x86_64
kdepim3-kontact 3.5.10 3mdv2009.1 x86_64
lib64kdepim2-korganizer 3.5.10 3mdv2009.1 x86_64
(medium "Contrib Updates (2009.112)")
kdegraphics3-ksvg 3.5.10 4.5mdv2009.1 x86_64
(suggested)
task-kde3 3.5.10 4.3mdv2009.1 noarch
47MB of additional disk space will be used.
15MB of packages will be retrieved.
Proceed with the installation of the 81 packages? (Y/n)

just to check i installed all these and still konqueror won't render properly,
now uninstalling the kde4 cruft again

bascule

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"For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or
so, nothing continued to happen. "

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Re: 2009.1 and konqueror 3.5.10

2009-11-10T10:39:46Z

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:05 AM, bascule <asura@...> wrote:

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 13:54:06 Diego Bello wrote:
> I'm not sure if that's a Mandriva Problem. Konqueror is known to not be a
> fully featured web browser.

this is a never before seen problem, only seen since last night when i went
from from 2008.1 to 2009.1 on sites that i've been visiting for years, if
it's a case of konqueror being less featured then we are talking about
konqueror being less featured today than it was last night

bascule

--
"any sufficiently advanced bullshit is indistinguishable from omniscience" -
rob

What version of KDE and Konqueror r u using in both versions? If you went from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.x, that could explain he less featuring in konqueror.

Also, in the same computer, try using konqueror with a new account and see if the problem persists.

--
Diego Bello Carreño

Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-10T10:34:17Z

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 11:04:25 am Felix Miata wrote:
> Which is worse?
>
> 1-No KDE3, or
> 2-"Unsupported" KDE3
>..
> I have one 11.2 system running KDE3 from the above URL. I haven't noticed
> any differences from earlier KDE3 versions.

Yes--I just wanted to point out that OpenSuse 11.2 does not really
support KDE3. The Opensuse KDE3 page actually also says:
WARNING: The KDE:KDE3 repository is currently unmaintained and may not even
update and build correctly. We also do not accept any bugreports for it. Use
at your own risk.

I personally would prefer a distro that officially supports KDE3. That is
why I am looking at Debian and PCLinuxOS. MDV 2008.1 is still working
perfectly for me on multiple machines.

Re: 2009.1 and konqueror 3.5.10

2009-11-10T09:11:43Z

On Tuesday 10 November 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from bascule <asura@...> who wrote:

> > I'm not sure if that's a Mandriva Problem. Konqueror is known to not be a
> > fully featured web browser.
>
> this is a never before seen problem, only seen since last night when i went
> from from 2008.1 to 2009.1 on sites that i've been visiting for years, if
> it's a case of konqueror being less featured then we are talking about
> konqueror being less featured today than it was last night

Make sure the file association for HTML points to Konqueror.

I had a similar prob with web-pages coming out as the source code, and
changinf the file association cured it.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Raffiniert ist der Herrgott,
aber boshaft ist er nicht.
-- Albert Einstein

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Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-10T09:04:25Z

On 2009/11/10 10:43 (GMT-0600) Norman Carver composed:

> On Tuesday 10 November 2009 05:32:29 am Felix Miata wrote:

>> KDE3? The catch is you have to install openSUSE 11.2 first, then add
>> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.2/ and then
>> add KDE3.

> From opensuse.org:
> Starting with openSUSE 11.2 the KDE3 desktop is no longer an officially
> supported part of the openSUSE distribution. There is still a possibility to
> install KDE3 from an unsupported repository KDE:KDE3.

Which is worse?

1-No KDE3, or
2-"Unsupported" KDE3

Is your libdvdcss officially supported? Are your w32codecs officially
supported? Is your VideoLAN officially supported? Does KDE3 even need any
support, much less "official"?

I have one 11.2 system running KDE3 from the above URL. I haven't noticed any
differences from earlier KDE3 versions.
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his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband.
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Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-10T08:43:04Z

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 05:32:29 am Felix Miata wrote:
> KDE3? The catch is you have to install openSUSE 11.2 first, then add
> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.2/ and then
> add KDE3.

From opensuse.org:
Starting with openSUSE 11.2 the KDE3 desktop is no longer an officially
supported part of the openSUSE distribution. There is still a possibility to
install KDE3 from an unsupported repository KDE:KDE3.

Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-10T06:16:43Z

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:53:47 -0300
Came this utterance formulated by Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI to my mailbox:

> Now that they are dropping KDE 3 from Mandriva, which WM would you
> recommend as a replacement for KDE ? I dont like Gnome, and I _hate_
> KDE4
>

IceWM
http://sourceforge.net/projects/icewm/

Package is in 2010
FREE-2010-i586 /main/icewm-light-1.3.3-2mdv2010.0.i586

Some of the tools pad it out:
http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ.html#toc11

Been using it for years.

--
Michael

All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall
be well

- Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416

Re: 2009.1 and konqueror 3.5.10

2009-11-10T06:05:35Z

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 13:54:06 Diego Bello wrote:
> I'm not sure if that's a Mandriva Problem. Konqueror is known to not be a
> fully featured web browser.

this is a never before seen problem, only seen since last night when i went
from from 2008.1 to 2009.1 on sites that i've been visiting for years, if
it's a case of konqueror being less featured then we are talking about
konqueror being less featured today than it was last night

bascule

--
"any sufficiently advanced bullshit is indistinguishable from omniscience" -
rob

Re: 2009.1 and konqueror 3.5.10

2009-11-10T05:54:06Z

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:43 AM, bascule <asura@...> wrote:

so far i'm mildly unimpressed by 2009.1, particularly what happens in
konqueror, it seems that on a lot of pages where there should be a text entry
box i instead get a box full of the code for that box, attached are two pics
to demonstrate, one from firefox - snap6 and one from konq - snap5, look at
the right hand side where there is a search box in the telegraph advert,
on another site my domain hosting provider a whole page was filled with
several frames each of which had it's own set of html code and scroll bars to
navigate around, if however i opened each frame separately in a new tab or
window then they were rendered properly and one could see the part of the
original page that should have been rendered in the first place! in some
cases that would just be a single colour background!

i've never seen this before and i have no idea what terms to google on so any
help would be appreciated

bascule
--
"'Chapter Fifteen, Elementary Necromancy'", she read out loud. "'Lesson
One: Correct Use of Shovel...'"
(Jingo)

I'm not sure if that's a Mandriva Problem. Konqueror is known to not be a fully featured web browser. For example, you can't use Gmail on it because of its limited Javascript support.

I suggest you to use konqueror only to surf simple pages, cause it will have problems with complex ones on every distro. I'm currently using CentOS at my work and the problems are the same.

Regards.

--
Diego Bello Carreño

2009.1 and konqueror 3.5.10

2009-11-10T05:43:59Z

so far i'm mildly unimpressed by 2009.1, particularly what happens in
konqueror, it seems that on a lot of pages where there should be a text entry
box i instead get a box full of the code for that box, attached are two pics
to demonstrate, one from firefox - snap6 and one from konq - snap5, look at
the right hand side where there is a search box in the telegraph advert,
on another site my domain hosting provider a whole page was filled with
several frames each of which had it's own set of html code and scroll bars to
navigate around, if however i opened each frame separately in a new tab or
window then they were rendered properly and one could see the part of the
original page that should have been rendered in the first place! in some
cases that would just be a single colour background!

i've never seen this before and i have no idea what terms to google on so any
help would be appreciated

bascule
--
"'Chapter Fifteen, Elementary Necromancy'", she read out loud. "'Lesson
One: Correct Use of Shovel...'"
(Jingo)

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Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-10T05:11:47Z

On Tuesday 10 November 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Felix Miata <mrmazda@...> who wrote:

> The catch is you have to install openSUSE 11.2

On top of Mandriva ? Or in replacement ?

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Progress in physics is achieved
by denying the obvious
and accepting the impossible.
-- Robert Heinlein

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Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-10T03:32:29Z

On 2009/11/10 06:53 (GMT-0300) Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI composed:

> On Monday 09 November 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive

> from Arnold Troeger <arnold.troeger@...> who wrote:

>> One thing I'm puzzled by. Did you try the "urpmi task-kde3" on your
>> 2009.1 machine? I thought that capability still existed in 2009.1.

> Only in 2009.0, was dropped in 2009.1

> Which is why i run 2009.0 ;-3)

> Now that they are dropping KDE 3 from Mandriva, which WM would you recommend
> as a replacement for KDE ? I dont like Gnome, and I _hate_ KDE4

KDE3? The catch is you have to install openSUSE 11.2 first, then add
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.2/ and then
add KDE3. Since those are RPMs, maybe you could get them to install in
2010.0? Considering the alternatives, to me it's a no-brainer - if
"upgrading" is actually necessary. What's wrong with sticking with 2009.0?
--
The husband should fulfill his marital duty to
his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband.
1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV

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Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-10T01:53:47Z

On Monday 09 November 2009, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Arnold Troeger <arnold.troeger@...> who wrote:

> One thing I'm puzzled by. Did you try the "urpmi task-kde3" on your
> 2009.1 machine? I thought that capability still existed in 2009.1.

Only in 2009.0, was dropped in 2009.1

Which is why i run 2009.0 ;-3)

Now that they are dropping KDE 3 from Mandriva, which WM would you recommend
as a replacement for KDE ? I dont like Gnome, and I _hate_ KDE4

Cheers,

Ron.
--
A common mistake that people make
when trying to design something completely foolproof
is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
-- Douglas Adams

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Re: 2010 Install USB CD Fails - Unhandled Sense Code

2009-11-10T01:25:55Z

Still no idea what's going on with this, but at least I have a work-around.
Hunting around, I came across "mandriva_seed.sh" and used it to make a USB stick into a 2010 One install system.
Very nice.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:29 AM, adam jvok <ajvok1@...> wrote:

I also tested the CD on another machine that had an internal CD drive.
That worked fine. So the problem is not the CD itself.

Given that:
a) the laptop/CD drive/USB-IDE/adapter worked well with different boot CDs (including 2009.1 One - just tried that); and
b) the 2010 One CD works on another machine
It seems to me that the problem lies in the software on the 2010 One CD.
This was not an issue with 2009.

Anyone had success booting the 2010 One CD from a USB drive?

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:48 PM, adam jvok <ajvok1@...> wrote:
Downloaded 2010 (One).
Verified the checksum.
Burned to CD.
The target machine is a laptop with no CD of its own.
I have a USB/IDE converter and an old internal IDE CD drive (nolonger internal to anything!).
I connect the CD drive via the laptop's USB port.

I get the splash screen, then press ESC to see whats going on:

.. Please wait detecting USB devices...
...
Uniform CD-ROM driver revision 3.20
...
[sr0:] unhandled sense code

Buffered I/O error on device sr0

These messages then repeat until I give up and try again. Several times. All with the same result.

You might think that the IDE/USB/External CD are to blame but:
- I installed 2 previous versions of Mandriva on this laptop using the same method/adapter/CD drive.
- I just booted a SLAX (www.slax.org) cd on this same setup with no issues.

Any suggestions?

Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-09T18:22:47Z

On Monday 09 November 2009 07:24:15 pm Arnold Troeger wrote:
> One thing I'm puzzled by. Did you try the "urpmi task-kde3" on your
> 2009.1 machine? I thought that capability still existed in 2009.1.
> Don't yet know about 2010 though.

I had done that with 2009.0 since KDE4 was effectively unusable
there, but had stuck with KDE4 on 2009.1 to try to see if it was going
to be usable on my main machines (I have a bunch of partitions
on one laptop that I have various test Linuxes installed on). I must
note, though, that KDE3 on 2009.0/.1 is not 100% of the KDE3 on 2008.1.
Things like the kparts elements of Gwenview that allow Konqueror to
be a good photo browser are missing (since the Gwenview is the KDE4
version). Thus, you have to go back to 2008.1 to get a completely
functional KDE3 with Mandriva.

Trying x86_84 install of 2010 right now to see if it works any better.
Then it will be Debian 5.0 going for a spin (with KDE3). Also downloaded
PCLinuxOS KDE3 for a trial.

Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-09T17:29:15Z

Arnold Troeger wrote:

> Norman Carver wrote:
>> I had installed 2010RC2 and had no problems, but
>> just spent a couple of hours playing with 2010 final,
>> and nothing but problem after problem after problem.
>> Most have been KDE4 problems: desktop icons disappearing,
>> kwin crashing, plasma crashing, krunner a runaway process,
>> power management first could not control screen brightness
>> and said could not throttle cpu (but now both fine), etc.
>> The rest have been MDV problems: installer put grub into
>> the wrong partition because of partition labels, updates
>> hung partway through, online keeps offering me a new
>> repository as powerpack subscriber but segaults when
>> try to add, and more. Have had to hard boot the machine
>> twice in the first hour of use. Absolute disaster!! I have
>> been using Mandriva and Mandrake for many years, and
>> have never encountered anything remotely like this, even
>> with release candidates. Wonder what gives? How could
>> RC2 have been basically fine on this same machine and
>> then the release be completely unstable in every way?
>>
>> And before somebody blames the download/disc:
>> Powerpack DVDs were downloaded via bittorrent, and
>> their md5sum's are correct. Burned dvds were also
>> compared against iso's and were perfect.
>>
>> Really wondering whether to stay with Mandriva now.
>> Main desktops are still 2008.1 and KDE3. Rock solid
>> stable (OS and KDE both run for 4mos without issues)
>> and fantastic usability for my work. Obviously, though,
>> it is time to update. Was hoping 2010 would be better
>> than 2009.1, which I have been using on a laptop. Sure
>> doesn't look that way, though. Downloading Debian 5.0
>> to see how its KDE3 works. Any other suggestions would
>> be appreciated.
>> Norm
>>
>>
>
> Hello Norm,
> I empathize. I have Mandriva 2009.1 PowerPack with KDE4 running on
> several machines now, including my Intel Q9550S box and my Phenom II 940
> box with no problems at all. I have Mandrive 2009.1 running with GNOME
> on several other boxes (better Thai support) also with no problems. I
> am planning to put 2010 on the Phenom II box tonight. I'll report back
> any problems. Were I you, I would install 2009.1 and patch it up to
> current level. KDE4 has been very well behaved with the last set of
> patches. I recall also, you can run "urpmi task-kde3" still to pick up
> the kde3 binaries.
>
> If you're really serious about the KDE 3 support though, PCLinuxOS and
> Debian still have KDE 3 support.
>
> Cheers,
> Arnold
>

I put 2010 on a second boot partition on my Phenom II box. The install
went perfectly. I'm using ext3 filesystems BTW. Got wireless working.
Went to EasyURPMI to set up updates, Updates went on fine. Then I
decided to build the kernel module for my RocketRAID 2640x4 card. No
go. Compiler errors about multiple typedefs and multiple defs. Oh
well, Set up an account with Highpoint and reported the problem. Let's
see what comes back.

Cheers,
Arnold

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Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-09T17:24:15Z

Norman Carver wrote:

> I had installed 2010RC2 and had no problems, but
> just spent a couple of hours playing with 2010 final,
> and nothing but problem after problem after problem.
> Most have been KDE4 problems: desktop icons disappearing,
> kwin crashing, plasma crashing, krunner a runaway process,
> power management first could not control screen brightness
> and said could not throttle cpu (but now both fine), etc.
> The rest have been MDV problems: installer put grub into
> the wrong partition because of partition labels, updates
> hung partway through, online keeps offering me a new
> repository as powerpack subscriber but segaults when
> try to add, and more. Have had to hard boot the machine
> twice in the first hour of use. Absolute disaster!! I have
> been using Mandriva and Mandrake for many years, and
> have never encountered anything remotely like this, even
> with release candidates. Wonder what gives? How could
> RC2 have been basically fine on this same machine and
> then the release be completely unstable in every way?
>
> And before somebody blames the download/disc:
> Powerpack DVDs were downloaded via bittorrent, and
> their md5sum's are correct. Burned dvds were also
> compared against iso's and were perfect.
>
> Really wondering whether to stay with Mandriva now.
> Main desktops are still 2008.1 and KDE3. Rock solid
> stable (OS and KDE both run for 4mos without issues)
> and fantastic usability for my work. Obviously, though,
> it is time to update. Was hoping 2010 would be better
> than 2009.1, which I have been using on a laptop. Sure
> doesn't look that way, though. Downloading Debian 5.0
> to see how its KDE3 works. Any other suggestions would
> be appreciated.
> Norm
>
>

Hi Norm,
One thing I'm puzzled by. Did you try the "urpmi task-kde3" on your
2009.1 machine? I thought that capability still existed in 2009.1.
Don't yet know about 2010 though.

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kwin crashes after 2010.0 update to 4.5.3

2009-11-09T16:55:15Z

My couple days of experience with 2010 has been great, but I
just updated to 4.5.3, and now I can't get KDE to start
properly. It always crashes, saying that KWin has died.
I blew away .kde4 and rebooted, but no joy.

Incidentally, KDE running on a vncserver is working just fine!

What now?

Miark

Re: 2010 Install USB CD Fails - Unhandled Sense Code

2009-11-09T15:29:58Z

I also tested the CD on another machine that had an internal CD drive.
That worked fine. So the problem is not the CD itself.

Given that:
a) the laptop/CD drive/USB-IDE/adapter worked well with different boot CDs (including 2009.1 One - just tried that); and
b) the 2010 One CD works on another machine
It seems to me that the problem lies in the software on the 2010 One CD.
This was not an issue with 2009.

Anyone had success booting the 2010 One CD from a USB drive?

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:48 PM, adam jvok <ajvok1@...> wrote:

Downloaded 2010 (One).
Verified the checksum.
Burned to CD.
The target machine is a laptop with no CD of its own.
I have a USB/IDE converter and an old internal IDE CD drive (nolonger internal to anything!).
I connect the CD drive via the laptop's USB port.

I get the splash screen, then press ESC to see whats going on:

.. Please wait detecting USB devices...
...
Uniform CD-ROM driver revision 3.20
...
[sr0:] unhandled sense code

Buffered I/O error on device sr0

These messages then repeat until I give up and try again. Several times. All with the same result.

You might think that the IDE/USB/External CD are to blame but:
- I installed 2 previous versions of Mandriva on this laptop using the same method/adapter/CD drive.
- I just booted a SLAX (www.slax.org) cd on this same setup with no issues.

Any suggestions?

Re: M2010 Powerpack - Fresh Install fails - solved

2009-11-09T09:14:04Z

Norman Carver wrote:

> On Monday 09 November 2009 05:47:20 am Phil Savoie wrote:
>> I have downloaded subject, twice by torrent and once directly. I have
>> had the install fail on all attempts to install where there are hordes
>> of error messages about initscripts not installing properly numerous
>> packages not installing properly etc. The md5sum does check out so I am
>> wondering if others have had the same experience.
>
> Well I posted another thread about bad 2010 experiences,
> and I have now installed it twice, and gotten very different
> results. Getting kernel oops's on first install, but so far
> not on the other. Almost like first install is corrupted.
> Did not get any error messages during the install, however.
> I have seen the types of problems you mention before, but
> only with a bad DVD or one not being properly read by drive.
> I would try burning to a different brand of disc if you can.
>

Hi Norm,

I finally (After the 4th download--3 on torrent and one from direct) got
a good iso file. I ended up loop mounting the iso and sharing it out
for a network install which seemed to work.

Thanks for the suggestion,

Phil

Re: M2010 Powerpack - Fresh Install fails

2009-11-09T08:13:53Z

On Monday 09 November 2009 05:47:20 am Phil Savoie wrote:
> I have downloaded subject, twice by torrent and once directly. I have
> had the install fail on all attempts to install where there are hordes
> of error messages about initscripts not installing properly numerous
> packages not installing properly etc. The md5sum does check out so I am
> wondering if others have had the same experience.

Well I posted another thread about bad 2010 experiences,
and I have now installed it twice, and gotten very different
results. Getting kernel oops's on first install, but so far
not on the other. Almost like first install is corrupted.
Did not get any error messages during the install, however.
I have seen the types of problems you mention before, but
only with a bad DVD or one not being properly read by drive.
I would try burning to a different brand of disc if you can.

Re: Upgrade notifier

2009-11-09T08:11:00Z

Phil wrote and Marek replied below:
> While I'm in question asking mode here's one about the upgrade notifier.
>
> I upgraded to 2010 four days ago and for the first couple of days the upgrade
> notifier listed various upgrades and bug fixes. Now, out of the blue, the
> notifier is warning me that a new version (2010) is available.
>
> Could I have jumped the gun and installed some sort of 2010 pre release
> version or is this some sort of bug that will be ironed out in due course?
>

Run this from a terminal:

cat /etc/release

Re: Upgrade notifier

2009-11-09T08:02:58Z

On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 09:07 +0000, Phil wrote:

> While I'm in question asking mode here's one about the upgrade
> notifier.
>
> I upgraded to 2010 four days ago and for the first couple of days the
> upgrade
> notifier listed various upgrades and bug fixes. Now, out of the blue,
> the
> notifier is warning me that a new version (2010) is available.
>
> Could I have jumped the gun and installed some sort of 2010 pre
> release
> version or is this some sort of bug that will be ironed out in due
> course?

Other day I saw they notified me to do live upgrade to 2009.1 spring,
and that after I just upgrade to 2010.0...

2010 Install USB CD Fails - Unhandled Sense Code

2009-11-09T04:48:53Z

Downloaded 2010 (One).
Verified the checksum.
Burned to CD.
The target machine is a laptop with no CD of its own.
I have a USB/IDE converter and an old internal IDE CD drive (nolonger internal to anything!).
I connect the CD drive via the laptop's USB port.

I get the splash screen, then press ESC to see whats going on:

.. Please wait detecting USB devices...
...
Uniform CD-ROM driver revision 3.20
...
[sr0:] unhandled sense code

Buffered I/O error on device sr0

These messages then repeat until I give up and try again. Several times. All with the same result.

You might think that the IDE/USB/External CD are to blame but:
- I installed 2 previous versions of Mandriva on this laptop using the same method/adapter/CD drive.
- I just booted a SLAX (www.slax.org) cd on this same setup with no issues.

Any suggestions?

M2010 Powerpack - Fresh Install fails

2009-11-09T03:47:20Z

Morning All,

I have downloaded subject, twice by torrent and once directly. I have
had the install fail on all attempts to install where there are hordes
of error messages about initscripts not installing properly numerous
packages not installing properly etc. The md5sum does check out so I am
wondering if others have had the same experience.

Phil

Installing Mandriva 2009 on a ProLiant 8500 server

2009-11-09T03:01:28Z

Hi All

Sanity check - should Mandriva 2009 (32-bit) install on a Compaq ProLiant 8500 server (8x Intel Pentium III Xeon @ 700MHz; 16GB RAM)? It won't go past "Booting the kernel" from the install CD.

Thanks in advance,
Geoff

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Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-08T20:10:33Z

On Sunday 08 November 2009 09:19:07 pm Arnold Troeger wrote:
> Were I you, I would install 2009.1 and patch it up to
> current level. KDE4 has been very well behaved with the last set of
> patches. I recall also, you can run "urpmi task-kde3" still to pick up
> the kde3 binaries.
>
> If you're really serious about the KDE 3 support though, PCLinuxOS and
> Debian still have KDE 3 support.

Arnold,
I have (fully patched) 2009.1 on this same laptop, and don't have
stability issues. Now usability issues with KDE4? Those I have!
I would rate KDE3 and its Konqueror in particular as about 9.9/10
for my needs and work habits. KDE4? Would maybe give it a 5/10.
I lost a bunch of important (to me) functionality and got nothing
that I want in return, so still very unhappy about KDE4! Very glad to
know that PCLinuxOS has KDE3 support. Knew only about Debian,
but not a big Debian fan.

Incidentally, just tried another install of 2010 (separate partition),
but using ext3 instead. Still some odd behaviors, but working
better. Of course, having Dolphin show your home directory as
*empty* and then having an "ls -A" on your home directory hang,
does not inspire much confidence. Began seeing kernel oops's
on the other install, so this may all be kernel/filesystem related.
Odd that RC2 did not have these issues, though.
Norm

2010 /dev/dsp issues

2009-11-08T20:07:57Z

I'm having some odd issues when apps try to use the oss emulated /dev/dsp
device in 2010. I didn't have any trouble with this in 2009.1.

The kernel modules for the mixer and dsp are loaded. But the apps always get a
device busy when trying to use them. I am in he audio group, which /dev/dsp is
too.

I did try padsp as a wrapper, but I don't see that inputting and outputting
sound at all.

Was there some change to how oss emulation is handled in 2010?

I have no idea what's hanging up the device. There shouldn't be any app using
it.

Ideas appreciated.

TIA

Rick Kunath

Re: 2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-08T19:19:07Z

Norman Carver wrote:

Hello Norm,
I empathize. I have Mandriva 2009.1 PowerPack with KDE4 running on
several machines now, including my Intel Q9550S box and my Phenom II 940
box with no problems at all. I have Mandrive 2009.1 running with GNOME
on several other boxes (better Thai support) also with no problems. I
am planning to put 2010 on the Phenom II box tonight. I'll report back
any problems. Were I you, I would install 2009.1 and patch it up to
current level. KDE4 has been very well behaved with the last set of
patches. I recall also, you can run "urpmi task-kde3" still to pick up
the kde3 binaries.

If you're really serious about the KDE 3 support though, PCLinuxOS and
Debian still have KDE 3 support.

Cheers,
Arnold

--
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Phone: 011-66-2-545-5456 5th Floor, Tower 3, SCB Park Plaza
FAX: 011-66-2-545-5374 19 Ratchadapisek Road, Chatuchak
Email: Arnold.Troeger@... Bangkok 10900, Thailand
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2010: worst MDV/MDK experience ever!

2009-11-08T18:34:21Z

I had installed 2010RC2 and had no problems, but
just spent a couple of hours playing with 2010 final,
and nothing but problem after problem after problem.
Most have been KDE4 problems: desktop icons disappearing,
kwin crashing, plasma crashing, krunner a runaway process,
power management first could not control screen brightness
and said could not throttle cpu (but now both fine), etc.
The rest have been MDV problems: installer put grub into
the wrong partition because of partition labels, updates
hung partway through, online keeps offering me a new
repository as powerpack subscriber but segaults when
try to add, and more. Have had to hard boot the machine
twice in the first hour of use. Absolute disaster!! I have
been using Mandriva and Mandrake for many years, and
have never encountered anything remotely like this, even
with release candidates. Wonder what gives? How could
RC2 have been basically fine on this same machine and
then the release be completely unstable in every way?

And before somebody blames the download/disc:
Powerpack DVDs were downloaded via bittorrent, and
their md5sum's are correct. Burned dvds were also
compared against iso's and were perfect.

Really wondering whether to stay with Mandriva now.
Main desktops are still 2008.1 and KDE3. Rock solid
stable (OS and KDE both run for 4mos without issues)
and fantastic usability for my work. Obviously, though,
it is time to update. Was hoping 2010 would be better
than 2009.1, which I have been using on a laptop. Sure
doesn't look that way, though. Downloading Debian 5.0
to see how its KDE3 works. Any other suggestions would
be appreciated.
Norm