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Manual is too nerdy
by saenger
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After playing a little with WebERP and reading a little in the manual I find that specially the manual is more aimed at developers then users. I find the manual quite hard to read and confusing.
I would suggest to separate strictly between information that is aimed at developers, and those aimed at users. Not to have to rewrite the whole manual I would suggest to do that simply with different font colors, or have a different background color for dev stuff. In "Accounts Receivable" all fields are explained in great detail, but there is no procedure. There should be a simple tutorial that explains how to create an invoice, or a p/o. Best would be an easy to follow format such as "Main Menu > Enter An Order or Quotation > ...." and so on. That should be done for all major tasks. Even if it's very obvious, such as creating a supplier. Keep in mind that in some companies those doing the accounting are not software experts and any ERP looks frightening to some extend. WebERP look beautiful, would be nice if it could be usable too. PS: so far I didn't manage to create a P/O , leave alone print one (or even see any P/O or Invoice in the system already) |
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Re: Manual is too nerdy
by Tim Schofield
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Hi,
Well I would say that the documentation is as it stands aimed at accountants, not developers, as indeed is the software. I have suggested before that someone would like to put together a "beginners guide". Perhaps you would like to take on this initiative? This is an open source project is a result of lots of peoples efforts, and its not just developers who can contribute. You specifically said that you could not raise a purchase order. Could you elaborate on what your problem was so that I could help? WebERP is perfectly usable but like any tool it needs to be used correctly to achieve the right results :) Thanks Tim 2009/10/9 saenger <hiphop242@...>: > > After playing a little with WebERP and reading a little in the manual I find > that specially the manual is more aimed at developers then users. I find the > manual quite hard to read and confusing. > > I would suggest to separate strictly between information that is aimed at > developers, and those aimed at users. Not to have to rewrite the whole > manual I would suggest to do that simply with different font colors, or have > a different background color for dev stuff. > > In "Accounts Receivable" all fields are explained in great detail, but there > is no procedure. > > There should be a simple tutorial that explains how to create an invoice, or > a p/o. Best would be an easy to follow format such as "Main Menu > Enter An > Order or Quotation > ...." and so on. > > That should be done for all major tasks. Even if it's very obvious, such as > creating a supplier. Keep in mind that in some companies those doing the > accounting are not software experts and any ERP looks frightening to some > extend. > > WebERP look beautiful, would be nice if it could be usable too. > > PS: so far I didn't manage to create a P/O , leave alone print one (or even > see any P/O or Invoice in the system already) > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Manual-is-too-nerdy-tp25816454p25816454.html > Sent from the web-erp-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > web-ERP-users mailing list > web-ERP-users@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ web-ERP-users mailing list web-ERP-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-users |
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Re: Manual is too nerdy
by Harald Ringehahn
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Das möchte ich - vorsichtig ausgedrückt - weder bekräftigen noch dementieren. Tatsächlich ist es aber so, dass bei einer solch komplexen Anwendung wie einem ERP-System eher ein Dreiecksverhältnis besteht: Der Benutzer, der Programmierer der Anwendung und derjenige, der die Geschäftsprozesse der Firma untersucht und das System den konkreten Anforderungen der Firma entsprechend konfiguriert, ich nenne ihn mal Berater. Insofern ist der Berater derjenige, der am Schluss der Implementierung die Dokumentation für den Benutzer erstellt. Ich möchte zugeben, dass es wünschenswert wäre, für die in der weberpdemo-Datenbank eingepflegten Szenarien eine Anleitung zu haben, aus meiner Sicht ist es jedoch erst einmal vorrangig, die in Europa nötigen Einstellungen nach IAS, dem dt. Handelsgesetzbuch, dem spanischen Einheitskontenrahmen, dem österreichischen Unternehmensgesetzbuch und natürlich Abschnitt 4 des eidgenössischen Obligationenrechtes hinzubekommen, damit diese Anwendung auch in Europa auf festen Beinen stehen kann.
(About the role of a consultant for creating of user manual and training within a given enterprise) Harald |
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Re: Manual is too nerdy
by saenger
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Hi,
I am aware that it's aimed mostly at accountants. However, it has a materials function too. Since it's free I also presume it's rather aimed at smaller companies, maybe a few 1 person companies too. I still think a shortcut manual would be nice. My last printer came with two manuals, one full one, and one for those that don't read manuals, just one page long. Something like that with the most basic parts would be nice. Otherwise you risk that many people take a look - and give up. The number of time WebERP gets downloaded doesn't mean much. How often it's used counts. Harald, I agree, but it doesn't help much. A user that does not understand the most basic steps will not hire a specialist to implement the system in the company. I think what would be helpful would be a few examples within the Demo that a user can do. Such as creating an invoice, creating a p/o, starting a new material list etc. |
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Re: Manual is too nerdy
by Tim Schofield
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Hi,
Although it would be perfectly usable in a one person company, I don't think thats the real intended usage of webERP. The functionality of webERP is well ahead of something like Quickbooks which is more suited to that sort of enterprise. I think you may be confusing your freedoms http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html The fact that the code for webERP is given away freely doesn't mean hat it is somehow inferior, or only suited to small one person companies. As I said in a previous email I would gladly accept any contributions to the documentation that you wish to give us. This is not me being facetious, it is the way that Free software works. As for the point about the number of users or the number of downloads mattering, then actually neither really matter. We are not a commercial organisation that has to meet sales targets to survive. My motivation behind contributing to webERP is to create good ERP software. I suspect that if we succeed then users will follow, but whatever, I have fun creating good ERP software. Thanks Tim 2009/10/12 saenger <hiphop242@...>: > > Hi, > > I am aware that it's aimed mostly at accountants. However, it has a > materials function too. Since it's free I also presume it's rather aimed at > smaller companies, maybe a few 1 person companies too. > > I still think a shortcut manual would be nice. My last printer came with two > manuals, one full one, and one for those that don't read manuals, just one > page long. Something like that with the most basic parts would be nice. > > Otherwise you risk that many people take a look - and give up. The number of > time WebERP gets downloaded doesn't mean much. How often it's used counts. > > Harald, I agree, but it doesn't help much. A user that does not understand > the most basic steps will not hire a specialist to implement the system in > the company. > > I think what would be helpful would be a few examples within the Demo that a > user can do. Such as creating an invoice, creating a p/o, starting a new > material list etc. > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Manual-is-too-nerdy-tp25816454p25853714.html > Sent from the web-erp-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > web-ERP-users mailing list > web-ERP-users@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ web-ERP-users mailing list web-ERP-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-users |
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Re: Manual is too nerdy
by Phil Daintree-3
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You are absolutely right. We really do need some simple HOW-TO guides
that we can collate into a user manual. As you say rather cruely the manual is too nerdy and aimed more at accountants and developers looking to understand the workings of the system - which is no help really to someone looking to create bill of material. What we need here are some users who can write and explain clearly that are prepared to share their knowledge. Phil saenger wrote: > Hi, > > I am aware that it's aimed mostly at accountants. However, it has a > materials function too. Since it's free I also presume it's rather aimed at > smaller companies, maybe a few 1 person companies too. > > I still think a shortcut manual would be nice. My last printer came with two > manuals, one full one, and one for those that don't read manuals, just one > page long. Something like that with the most basic parts would be nice. > > Otherwise you risk that many people take a look - and give up. The number of > time WebERP gets downloaded doesn't mean much. How often it's used counts. > > Harald, I agree, but it doesn't help much. A user that does not understand > the most basic steps will not hire a specialist to implement the system in > the company. > > I think what would be helpful would be a few examples within the Demo that a > user can do. Such as creating an invoice, creating a p/o, starting a new > material list etc. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ web-ERP-users mailing list web-ERP-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-users |
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Re: Manual is too nerdy
by saenger
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Whether WebERP is inferior or not is not the question. That depends really on what its used for and compared to. I have had a look at a few packages and still like WebERP a lot. The MySQL/PHP allows really lots of flexibility and can make it very adaptable. It appears much leaner too then OpenBravo or OpenERP. Nuff said about that.
For an easy guide I think http://www.weberp.org/WeberpFaq would be a suitable space. How about it?
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Re: Manual is too nerdy
by Phil Daintree-3
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Yes use the wiki - but better me thinks to add new pages are required
for each HOW-TO Phil saenger wrote: > Whether WebERP is inferior or not is not the question. That depends really on > what its used for and compared to. I have had a look at a few packages and > still like WebERP a lot. The MySQL/PHP allows really lots of flexibility and > can make it very adaptable. It appears much leaner too then OpenBravo or > OpenERP. Nuff said about that. > > For an easy guide I think http://www.weberp.org/WeberpFaq would be a > suitable space. > > How about it? > > > > > > Tim Schofield wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Although it would be perfectly usable in a one person company, I don't >> think thats the real intended usage of webERP. The functionality of >> webERP is well ahead of something like Quickbooks which is more suited >> to that sort of enterprise. I think you may be confusing your freedoms >> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html >> >> The fact that the code for webERP is given away freely doesn't mean >> hat it is somehow inferior, or only suited to small one person >> companies. As I said in a previous email I would gladly accept any >> contributions to the documentation that you wish to give us. This is >> not me being facetious, it is the way that Free software works. >> >> As for the point about the number of users or the number of downloads >> mattering, then actually neither really matter. We are not a >> commercial organisation that has to meet sales targets to survive. My >> motivation behind contributing to webERP is to create good ERP >> software. I suspect that if we succeed then users will follow, but >> whatever, I have fun creating good ERP software. >> >> Thanks >> Tim >> >> >> 2009/10/12 saenger <hiphop242@...>: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am aware that it's aimed mostly at accountants. However, it has a >>> materials function too. Since it's free I also presume it's rather aimed >>> at >>> smaller companies, maybe a few 1 person companies too. >>> >>> I still think a shortcut manual would be nice. My last printer came with >>> two >>> manuals, one full one, and one for those that don't read manuals, just >>> one >>> page long. Something like that with the most basic parts would be nice. >>> >>> Otherwise you risk that many people take a look - and give up. The number >>> of >>> time WebERP gets downloaded doesn't mean much. How often it's used >>> counts. >>> >>> Harald, I agree, but it doesn't help much. A user that does not >>> understand >>> the most basic steps will not hire a specialist to implement the system >>> in >>> the company. >>> >>> I think what would be helpful would be a few examples within the Demo >>> that a >>> user can do. Such as creating an invoice, creating a p/o, starting a new >>> material list etc. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://www.nabble.com/Manual-is-too-nerdy-tp25816454p25853714.html >>> Sent from the web-erp-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >>> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >>> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >>> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >>> _______________________________________________ >>> web-ERP-users mailing list >>> web-ERP-users@... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-users >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >> _______________________________________________ >> web-ERP-users mailing list >> web-ERP-users@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-users >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ web-ERP-users mailing list web-ERP-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-users |
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stockmoves.Newqoh
by RL-2
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Re: stockmoves.Newqoh
by Tim Schofield
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Seems very odd, I will try and look into it next week when I ma at home.
Thanks Tim 2009/10/17 RL <rlealg7@...>
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Re: stockmoves.Newqoh
by Tim Schofield
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This occurs when two people are dispatching at the same time. I have updated ConfirmDispatch_invoice.php in cvs with a fix for this. It wont cure any past issues like this one, but will stop it happening in future.
Thanks Tim 2009/10/17 RL <rlealg7@...>
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