Manual licensing, again

[Felipe Sateler]

Hi all. There are more files with questionable licensing status :(.

examples/01hpschd.sf2 seems to be for free distribution only (which would make
it incompatible with the GFDL, since no restrictions can be added).

examples/22bassoon.sf2 allows free redistribution, but doesn't mention
modifications (if they are not allowed, it would conflict with the GFDL).

opcodes/py{init,eval,assign}.xml still have the All rights reserved by
Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu notice. Has anybody been able to contact him?


Saludos,
Felipe Sateler


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[jpff-2]

>
> opcodes/py{init,eval,assign}.xml still have the All rights reserved by
> Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu notice. Has anybody been able to contact him?
>

I have tried but totally failed to find a valid address, email or physical.
=John ff


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[Felipe Sateler]

El martes 19 de mayo, jpff@... escribió:
> > opcodes/py{init,eval,assign}.xml still have the All rights reserved by
> > Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu notice. Has anybody been able to contact him?
>
> I have tried but totally failed to find a valid address, email or physical.

Last time, Andrés said that he had died. Does anyone know if this is true?

Saludos,
Felipe Sateler


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[Steven Yi]

I had emailed briefly with Maurizio a couple years ago, though haven't
heard of any news since. He was well at the time.

On 5/19/09, Felipe Sateler <fsateler@...> wrote:

> El martes 19 de mayo, jpff@... escribió:
>> > opcodes/py{init,eval,assign}.xml still have the All rights reserved by
>> > Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu notice. Has anybody been able to contact him?
>>
>> I have tried but totally failed to find a valid address, email or
>> physical.
>
> Last time, Andrés said that he had died. Does anyone know if this is true?
>
> Saludos,
> Felipe Sateler
>

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[Anthony Kozar-2]

Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 5:23 AM:

> Hi all. There are more files with questionable licensing status :(.
>
> examples/01hpschd.sf2 seems to be for free distribution only (which would make
> it incompatible with the GFDL, since no restrictions can be added).
>
> examples/22bassoon.sf2 allows free redistribution, but doesn't mention
> modifications (if they are not allowed, it would conflict with the GFDL).

I think that these should be removed.

> opcodes/py{init,eval,assign}.xml still have the All rights reserved by
> Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu notice. Has anybody been able to contact him?

Once again, "All rights reserved" has no legal meaning anymore and is not
incompatible with any free/open license.  Please see this page for an
explanation:

<http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/law-copyright-all-rights-re
served.html>

Even if the phrase did have some legal force, it would only apply to people
who do not have a valid license granting them further rights.  In the world
of free software and open content, everyone can obtain a license granting
some of the rights normally "reserved" by the copyright holder.  Thus "All
rights reserved" would at best only apply to persons whose license has been
revoked because they violated its provisions.
 
Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 5:39 AM:

> Last time, Andrés said that he had died. Does anyone know if this is true?

I am pretty sure that Andres was confusing Maurizio with another member of
our community who passed away (Gerard van Dongen).

Anthony


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[Felipe Sateler]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 03:51, Anthony Kozar
<mailing-lists-1001@...> wrote:

> Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 5:23 AM:
>
>> Hi all. There are more files with questionable licensing status :(.
>>
>> examples/01hpschd.sf2 seems to be for free distribution only (which would make
>> it incompatible with the GFDL, since no restrictions can be added).
>>
>> examples/22bassoon.sf2 allows free redistribution, but doesn't mention
>> modifications (if they are not allowed, it would conflict with the GFDL).
>
> I think that these should be removed.
>
>> opcodes/py{init,eval,assign}.xml still have the All rights reserved by
>> Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu notice. Has anybody been able to contact him?
>
> Once again, "All rights reserved" has no legal meaning anymore and is not
> incompatible with any free/open license.  Please see this page for an
> explanation:
>
> <http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/law-copyright-all-rights-re
> served.html>
>
> Even if the phrase did have some legal force, it would only apply to people
> who do not have a valid license granting them further rights.  In the world
> of free software and open content, everyone can obtain a license granting
> some of the rights normally "reserved" by the copyright holder.  Thus "All
> rights reserved" would at best only apply to persons whose license has been
> revoked because they violated its provisions.

Last time we discussed this, you yourself said that apparently nobody
cleared Maurizio's permission to license the manual as GFDL...
Anyways, if these statements are void then maybe they should be
removed?

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[csounder]

I worked on the licensing and re-licensing of Csound personally.
Not sure what you are saying, but with Barry Vercoe by my side,
we arranged with the Lawyers at MIT to change the license for Csound
to LGPL and the manual license to GFDL.

Dr. B.


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On May 19, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 03:51, Anthony Kozar
> <mailing-lists-1001@...> wrote:
>> Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 5:23 AM:
>>
>>> Hi all. There are more files with questionable licensing status :(.
>>>
>>> examples/01hpschd.sf2 seems to be for free distribution only  
>>> (which would make
>>> it incompatible with the GFDL, since no restrictions can be added).
>>>
>>> examples/22bassoon.sf2 allows free redistribution, but doesn't  
>>> mention
>>> modifications (if they are not allowed, it would conflict with the  
>>> GFDL).
>>
>> I think that these should be removed.
>>
>>> opcodes/py{init,eval,assign}.xml still have the All rights  
>>> reserved by
>>> Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu notice. Has anybody been able to contact  
>>> him?
>>
>> Once again, "All rights reserved" has no legal meaning anymore and  
>> is not
>> incompatible with any free/open license.  Please see this page for an
>> explanation:
>>
>> <http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/law-copyright-all-rights-re
>> served.html>
>>
>> Even if the phrase did have some legal force, it would only apply  
>> to people
>> who do not have a valid license granting them further rights.  In  
>> the world
>> of free software and open content, everyone can obtain a license  
>> granting
>> some of the rights normally "reserved" by the copyright holder.  
>> Thus "All
>> rights reserved" would at best only apply to persons whose license  
>> has been
>> revoked because they violated its provisions.
>
> Last time we discussed this, you yourself said that apparently nobody
> cleared Maurizio's permission to license the manual as GFDL...
> Anyways, if these statements are void then maybe they should be
> removed?
>
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[Anthony Kozar-2]

Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 10:23 PM:

>>> opcodes/py{init,eval,assign}.xml still have the All rights reserved by
>>> Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu notice. Has anybody been able to contact him?
>
> Last time we discussed this, you yourself said that apparently nobody
> cleared Maurizio's permission to license the manual as GFDL...
> Anyways, if these statements are void then maybe they should be
> removed?

Sorry, I was responding to the idea that the "All rights reserved" is the
problem.  I think that I suggested the possible absence of permission.
Maurizio's Python opcodes and their docs passed through Gabriel's CsoundAV
before being added by (I believe) Michael Gogins to Csound 5.  Gab, Mike, or
John would probably be better able to say whether permission was obtained.

Anthony


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[Felipe Sateler]

I meant the documentation for the opcodes he wrote. This is after the
relicensing of MIT.

Saludos,
Felipe Sateler



On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 13:19, Dr. Richard Boulanger
<rboulanger@...> wrote:

> I worked on the licensing and re-licensing of Csound personally.
> Not sure what you are saying, but with Barry Vercoe by my side,
> we arranged with the Lawyers at MIT to change the license for Csound
> to LGPL and the manual license to GFDL.
>
> Dr. B.
>
>
> Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@...
>
>
>
> On May 19, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 03:51, Anthony Kozar
>> <mailing-lists-1001@...> wrote:
>>> Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 5:23 AM:
>>>
>>>> Hi all. There are more files with questionable licensing status :(.
>>>>
>>>> examples/01hpschd.sf2 seems to be for free distribution only
>>>> (which would make
>>>> it incompatible with the GFDL, since no restrictions can be added).
>>>>
>>>> examples/22bassoon.sf2 allows free redistribution, but doesn't
>>>> mention
>>>> modifications (if they are not allowed, it would conflict with the
>>>> GFDL).
>>>
>>> I think that these should be removed.
>>>
>>>> opcodes/py{init,eval,assign}.xml still have the All rights
>>>> reserved by
>>>> Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu notice. Has anybody been able to contact
>>>> him?
>>>
>>> Once again, "All rights reserved" has no legal meaning anymore and
>>> is not
>>> incompatible with any free/open license.  Please see this page for an
>>> explanation:
>>>
>>> <http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/law-copyright-all-rights-re
>>> served.html>
>>>
>>> Even if the phrase did have some legal force, it would only apply
>>> to people
>>> who do not have a valid license granting them further rights.  In
>>> the world
>>> of free software and open content, everyone can obtain a license
>>> granting
>>> some of the rights normally "reserved" by the copyright holder.
>>> Thus "All
>>> rights reserved" would at best only apply to persons whose license
>>> has been
>>> revoked because they violated its provisions.
>>
>> Last time we discussed this, you yourself said that apparently nobody
>> cleared Maurizio's permission to license the manual as GFDL...
>> Anyways, if these statements are void then maybe they should be
>> removed?
>>
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