MapFish Incubation application - reactivation

[Claude Philipona]

Hi All,

I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application
http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for
which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet.

The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows
the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G
ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations,
companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously
increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping
framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology
are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large
representation from different organizations, countries, background.

All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a
good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation
committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one
lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic
decision.

We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from
now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with
members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps
leading to incubation start.

Thanks,

Claude
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[Jody Garnett-3]

Hi Claude; we are a bit short on man power; once the deegree vote  
happens I hope to be available.

The committee is supportive of new volunteers; we really just need a  
point of contact with each community; and we try not to spread  
ourselves too thin. OSGeo now has a stable of projects that have been  
through incubation (and thus have experience that would be valuable to  
you in incubation). Do you have contacts with any of these projects?  
You could encourage them to volunteer and mentor you.

Cheers,
Jody

On 22/10/2009, at 3:21 PM, Claude Philipona wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application
> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for
> which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet.
>
> The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows
> the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G
> ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations,
> companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously
> increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping
> framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology
> are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large
> representation from different organizations, countries, background.
>
> All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a
> good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation
> committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one
> lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic
> decision.
>
> We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from
> now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with
> members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps
> leading to incubation start.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Claude
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[Gary Sherman-2]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@...> wrote:
> Hi Claude; we are a bit short on man power; once the deegree vote happens I
> hope to be available.
>
> The committee is supportive of new volunteers; we really just need a point
> of contact with each community; and we try not to spread ourselves too thin.
> OSGeo now has a stable of projects that have been through incubation (and
> thus have experience that would be valuable to you in incubation). Do you
> have contacts with any of these projects? You could encourage them to
> volunteer and mentor you.

I am available to mentor MapFish.

-gary

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[cedricmoullet]

Thanks Gary for your proposition.
I imagine that the incubation committee can now evaluate MapFish incubation request and provide a recommendation for the MapFish incubation to the OSGeo board which will meet on november 5th. Is it the correct ?
Let us now if there is still pending points,
Best regards,
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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@...> wrote:
> Hi Claude; we are a bit short on man power; once the deegree vote happens I
> hope to be available.
>
> The committee is supportive of new volunteers; we really just need a point
> of contact with each community; and we try not to spread ourselves too thin.
> OSGeo now has a stable of projects that have been through incubation (and
> thus have experience that would be valuable to you in incubation). Do you
> have contacts with any of these projects? You could encourage them to
> volunteer and mentor you.

I am available to mentor MapFish.

-gary

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[Cameron Shorter-3]

At FOSS4G, I was introduced to GeoMajas http://www.geomajas.org/
This project provides similar functionality to MapFish, and before
moving into MapFish into incubation, I'd be interested to hear a
discussion about the similarities and differences between the two
projects. In particular, I'd be interested to hear whether there are
opportunities to share libraries between projects. (We gain more by
focusing our developers on one project rather than splitting between many).

Claude Philipona wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application
> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for
> which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet.
>
> The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows
> the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G
> ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations,
> companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously
> increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping
> framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology
> are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large
> representation from different organizations, countries, background.
>
> All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a
> good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation
> committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one
> lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic
> decision.
>
> We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from
> now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with
> members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps
> leading to incubation start.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Claude
> _______________________________________________
> Incubator mailing list
> Incubator@...
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator
>  

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[cedricmoullet]

Hi Cameron,
Thanks for this question. I am not a geomajas specialist, but i ll try to give some answers.
The main similarity is probably that mapfish and geomajas share the same goal: providing a way to create web mapping applications.
But behind the scene, there is a lot of differences. Probably like the differences between mapserver and geoserver.
So let s have a look at the server side. For mapfish, we are in the python world. Mapfish server can be seen as the geospatial extension of the pylons web development framework. Existing components are used like shapely,geojson, sqlalchemy in order to offer geospatial REST services for querying, inserting, updating and deleting spatial data. One important point is that mapfish is not a cartographic server. Mapserver, geoserver or mapguide ,... are used for the rendering.
Geomajas server is a java development which probably uses libraries like jts. As far as i know, the rendering part is a custom development and doesnt use geoerver.
On the client side, mapfish is using javascript libraries like openlayers, extjs and geoext. These libraries will allow the developer to create user interfaces communicating with servers.
Geomajas client ui are built through the gwt approach. As far as i know, dojo is used. For the maps, a custom developement has been made and openlayers is not used.
In general, with mapfish, we don t want to reinvent the wheel. That is why we use existing components (pylons,shapely,sqlalchemy,geojson,openlayers,extjs, geoext). Our goal is to make that all these components work well together and to add only the missing functions. For example, it takes 1 minute to install mapfish client and server. After this installation the developer can start building an application and uses the power of all the mentionned components.
I hope this provides valuable information. You can have a look at the mapfish blog: the presentation i gave last friday can be downloaded.
Best regards,
Cedric
(from my mobile phone)

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Objet: Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation

At FOSS4G, I was introduced to GeoMajas http://www.geomajas.org/
This project provides similar functionality to MapFish, and before
moving into MapFish into incubation, I'd be interested to hear a
discussion about the similarities and differences between the two
projects. In particular, I'd be interested to hear whether there are
opportunities to share libraries between projects. (We gain more by
focusing our developers on one project rather than splitting between many).

Claude Philipona wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application
> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for
> which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet.
>
> The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows
> the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G
> ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations,
> companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously
> increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping
> framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology
> are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large
> representation from different organizations, countries, background.
>
> All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a
> good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation
> committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one
> lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic
> decision.
>
> We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from
> now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with
> members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps
> leading to incubation start.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Claude
> _______________________________________________
> Incubator mailing list
> Incubator@...
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator
>  

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[Claude Philipona]

Hello,

My last night in Australia, I won't be too wordy.

There are for sure some overlap in terms of the client-side features,
but it is globally quite different.

As far as I know here are some differences:
- MapFish is a pylons-based framework which relies on OSGeo software
such as OpenLayers, GeoExt, ... (MapFish was actually a the root of
GeoExt) and is agnostic from a particular mapping server. GeoMajas
seems to be a fully independent stack not based on OSGeo or components
from communities.

- It's always hard to define what is framework, but from my point of
view, GeoMajas is more a webmapping application builder, than a
development framework giving total freedom to the develop any advanced
web mapping application.

On the MapFish side, of course there are no barrier to share works
that can meet the needs form several parties. MapFish already achieved
such sharing with GeoExt, which emerged from MapFish last year after
the FOSS4G BoF with different persons and organizations such as
OpenGeo. MapFish first development started actually in 2006, after
FOSS4G Lausanne. That was the first try to make a rewrite of CartoWeb
with a more uptodate technology. Since then, it has been a constant
goal to use, share, enhanced Open Source components. That was for
example the case with OpenLayers.

Claude

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 19:08, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter@...> wrote:

> At FOSS4G, I was introduced to GeoMajas http://www.geomajas.org/
> This project provides similar functionality to MapFish, and before moving
> into MapFish into incubation, I'd be interested to hear a discussion about
> the similarities and differences between the two projects. In particular,
> I'd be interested to hear whether there are opportunities to share libraries
> between projects. (We gain more by focusing our developers on one project
> rather than splitting between many).
>
> Claude Philipona wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application
>> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for
>> which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet.
>>
>> The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows
>> the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G
>> ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations,
>> companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously
>> increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping
>> framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology
>> are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large
>> representation from different organizations, countries, background.
>>
>> All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a
>> good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation
>> committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one
>> lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic
>> decision.
>>
>> We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from
>> now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with
>> members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps
>> leading to incubation start.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Claude
>> _______________________________________________
>> Incubator mailing list
>> Incubator@...
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator
>>
>
>
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[dirk frigne-2]

Also for me my last night in Australia.
But next week I will be traveling in Germany and France.

So I propose to shedule a meeting at the offices of Camptocamp to
discuss the differences and the simularities a bit more, but I certainly
don't agree with the statement that Geomajas is not an application
framework. Geomajas is ginving you the opportunity to develop webmap
applications that are scalable and can be integrated with back end
processes, this in a total java environment, which leverages frameworks
that has already proven a good 'framework track'.

So, Claude, if you can find a timeslot anytime next week, I'll try to be
at your office to discuss this further.

Dirk Frigne.

Claude Philipona schreef:

> Hello,
>
> My last night in Australia, I won't be too wordy.
>
> There are for sure some overlap in terms of the client-side features,
> but it is globally quite different.
>
> As far as I know here are some differences:
> - MapFish is a pylons-based framework which relies on OSGeo software
> such as OpenLayers, GeoExt, ... (MapFish was actually a the root of
> GeoExt) and is agnostic from a particular mapping server. GeoMajas
> seems to be a fully independent stack not based on OSGeo or components
> from communities.
>
> - It's always hard to define what is framework, but from my point of
> view, GeoMajas is more a webmapping application builder, than a
> development framework giving total freedom to the develop any advanced
> web mapping application.
>
> On the MapFish side, of course there are no barrier to share works
> that can meet the needs form several parties. MapFish already achieved
> such sharing with GeoExt, which emerged from MapFish last year after
> the FOSS4G BoF with different persons and organizations such as
> OpenGeo. MapFish first development started actually in 2006, after
> FOSS4G Lausanne. That was the first try to make a rewrite of CartoWeb
> with a more uptodate technology. Since then, it has been a constant
> goal to use, share, enhanced Open Source components. That was for
> example the case with OpenLayers.
>
> Claude
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 19:08, Cameron Shorter
> <cameron.shorter@...> wrote:
>  
>> At FOSS4G, I was introduced to GeoMajas http://www.geomajas.org/
>> This project provides similar functionality to MapFish, and before moving
>> into MapFish into incubation, I'd be interested to hear a discussion about
>> the similarities and differences between the two projects. In particular,
>> I'd be interested to hear whether there are opportunities to share libraries
>> between projects. (We gain more by focusing our developers on one project
>> rather than splitting between many).
>>
>> Claude Philipona wrote:
>>    
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application
>>> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for
>>> which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet.
>>>
>>> The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows
>>> the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G
>>> ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations,
>>> companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously
>>> increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping
>>> framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology
>>> are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large
>>> representation from different organizations, countries, background.
>>>
>>> All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a
>>> good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation
>>> committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one
>>> lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic
>>> decision.
>>>
>>> We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from
>>> now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with
>>> members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps
>>> leading to incubation start.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Claude
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Incubator mailing list
>>> Incubator@...
>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator
>>>
>>>      
>> --
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>> Mob: [phone]
>>
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>> http://www.lisasoft.com
>>
>>
>>    
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[Bob Basques]

All,


It seems prudent to chime in here about GeoMoose as well, which it primarily a Web Based (UI) framework intended for rapid deployment.  it also uses existing OSGEO components like MapServer, and OpenLayers LIBs, but is also agnostic about such services.  It's windows distrubution is with MS4W and can be installed very quickly as well.  It's also suitable for build out in an offline capacity.  

Hmmm, these are the sort of things I was pondering a lot after making the GeoMoose application for incubation, how to filter projects down into salable (sellable) packages.  The GeoMoose project has server pieces distributed with it. The line between (OSGEO)  services and applications has become  very blurry in my opinion over the last year or so.

It seems to me that these types of discussions should happen after incubation, or at least more near the end of the process.  Or is it a feeling that the sooner the better, or rather once things are set, not much you can do about it, sort of thinking?  

:c)

bobb


>>> Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@...> 10/27/09 3:08 AM >>>
At FOSS4G, I was introduced to GeoMajas http://www.geomajas.org/
This project provides similar functionality to MapFish, and before
moving into MapFish into incubation, I'd be interested to hear a
discussion about the similarities and differences between the two
projects. In particular, I'd be interested to hear whether there are
opportunities to share libraries between projects. (We gain more by
focusing our developers on one project rather than splitting between many).

Claude Philipona wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application
> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for
> which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet.
>
> The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows
> the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G
> ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations,
> companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously
> increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping
> framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology
> are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large
> representation from different organizations, countries, background.
>
> All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a
> good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation
> committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one
> lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic
> decision.
>
> We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from
> now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with
> members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps
> leading to incubation start.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Claude
> _______________________________________________
> Incubator mailing list
> Incubator@...
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator
>  

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[Claude Philipona]

I mostly agree with the fact that OSGeo projects need to have some
kind of uniformity on how they present themselves from a marketing
point of view, so that non OSGeo specialist can easily enter into the
OSGeo world. This is mandatory, I totally support the different
brainstormings going on right now about those topics, and there are
some really good ideas coming out.

BUT, I don't think going to some extreme of choosing one piece of
software for each group of features is the right way to go. Should
OSGeo choose between MapServer and GeoServer based on the last
shoutout? Oh no! we won't have Jeff and Andrea walking down the aisles
anymore; nobody will show up at the next closing plenary... Should
OSGeo keep just one Desktop GIS, they are doing all pretty much the
same kind of job, or at least it would be quite easy to do so. Which
one to pick? QGis?, Udig? gvSIG?...and so on for about all the current
OSGeo projects from which half or more should be kicked out as less
performing duplicates. Doesn't make much sense.

OSGeo should be able to host projects covering partly the same needs
or features, but maybe with a different angle of approach or a
different technology, as long as they are community projects that are
open to collaboration with other OSGeo project or more extensively
with Open source projects. The rules for incubation are already quite
well defined. Open Source and OSGeo need some emulating diversity for
its evolution. Some projects will appear, some will fade out or even
die, the core low-level lib will probably have longer life cycle....
Software macrocosm is at some point like organic life, things are
happening where you didn't image them to appear.

Oh, I just crossed the Equator, let's put the mail on the queue.

Claude

2009/10/28 Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@...>:

>> One of the rules of marketing is "the less you write, the more your words
>> will be read".
>> I feel the same about OSGeo projects. We should be focusing on a few quality
>> projects rather than a catalog of all projects around. The OSGeo brand
>> should be helping implementers select the best of the projects around.
>
> Interesting; the mandate for OSGeo is to support open source
> geospatial; not really to a produce a sensible stack of projects
> (there are many vendors doing exactly that and we want to encourage
> their success).
>
> If the OSGeo brand wants to do some sensible work in this direction we
> can start offering feature comparisons and so forth to enable users to
> evaluate.
>
> With this in mind I am coming down completely in the opposite
> direction; I want to encourage competition and collaboration as two
> tools to increase quality across the board.
>
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