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MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by Claude Philipona
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Hi All,
I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet. The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations, companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large representation from different organizations, countries, background. All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic decision. We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps leading to incubation start. Thanks, Claude _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by Jody Garnett-3
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Hi Claude; we are a bit short on man power; once the deegree vote
happens I hope to be available. The committee is supportive of new volunteers; we really just need a point of contact with each community; and we try not to spread ourselves too thin. OSGeo now has a stable of projects that have been through incubation (and thus have experience that would be valuable to you in incubation). Do you have contacts with any of these projects? You could encourage them to volunteer and mentor you. Cheers, Jody On 22/10/2009, at 3:21 PM, Claude Philipona wrote: > Hi All, > > I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application > http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for > which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet. > > The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows > the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G > ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations, > companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously > increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping > framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology > are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large > representation from different organizations, countries, background. > > All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a > good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation > committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one > lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic > decision. > > We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from > now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with > members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps > leading to incubation start. > > Thanks, > > Claude > _______________________________________________ > Incubator mailing list > Incubator@... > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by Gary Sherman-2
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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@...> wrote:
> Hi Claude; we are a bit short on man power; once the deegree vote happens I > hope to be available. > > The committee is supportive of new volunteers; we really just need a point > of contact with each community; and we try not to spread ourselves too thin. > OSGeo now has a stable of projects that have been through incubation (and > thus have experience that would be valuable to you in incubation). Do you > have contacts with any of these projects? You could encourage them to > volunteer and mentor you. I am available to mentor MapFish. -gary -- -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Gary Sherman Chair, QGIS Project Steering Committee -Desktop GIS Book: *http://desktopgisbook.com -Spatial Hosting: *http://mrcc.com/hosting "We work virtually everywhere" -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by Cameron Shorter-3
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At FOSS4G, I was introduced to GeoMajas http://www.geomajas.org/
This project provides similar functionality to MapFish, and before moving into MapFish into incubation, I'd be interested to hear a discussion about the similarities and differences between the two projects. In particular, I'd be interested to hear whether there are opportunities to share libraries between projects. (We gain more by focusing our developers on one project rather than splitting between many). Claude Philipona wrote: > Hi All, > > I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application > http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for > which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet. > > The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows > the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G > ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations, > companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously > increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping > framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology > are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large > representation from different organizations, countries, background. > > All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a > good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation > committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one > lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic > decision. > > We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from > now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with > members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps > leading to incubation start. > > Thanks, > > Claude > _______________________________________________ > Incubator mailing list > Incubator@... > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator > -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by Claude Philipona
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Hello,
My last night in Australia, I won't be too wordy. There are for sure some overlap in terms of the client-side features, but it is globally quite different. As far as I know here are some differences: - MapFish is a pylons-based framework which relies on OSGeo software such as OpenLayers, GeoExt, ... (MapFish was actually a the root of GeoExt) and is agnostic from a particular mapping server. GeoMajas seems to be a fully independent stack not based on OSGeo or components from communities. - It's always hard to define what is framework, but from my point of view, GeoMajas is more a webmapping application builder, than a development framework giving total freedom to the develop any advanced web mapping application. On the MapFish side, of course there are no barrier to share works that can meet the needs form several parties. MapFish already achieved such sharing with GeoExt, which emerged from MapFish last year after the FOSS4G BoF with different persons and organizations such as OpenGeo. MapFish first development started actually in 2006, after FOSS4G Lausanne. That was the first try to make a rewrite of CartoWeb with a more uptodate technology. Since then, it has been a constant goal to use, share, enhanced Open Source components. That was for example the case with OpenLayers. Claude On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 19:08, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@...> wrote: > At FOSS4G, I was introduced to GeoMajas http://www.geomajas.org/ > This project provides similar functionality to MapFish, and before moving > into MapFish into incubation, I'd be interested to hear a discussion about > the similarities and differences between the two projects. In particular, > I'd be interested to hear whether there are opportunities to share libraries > between projects. (We gain more by focusing our developers on one project > rather than splitting between many). > > Claude Philipona wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application >> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for >> which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet. >> >> The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows >> the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G >> ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations, >> companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously >> increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping >> framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology >> are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large >> representation from different organizations, countries, background. >> >> All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a >> good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation >> committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one >> lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic >> decision. >> >> We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from >> now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with >> members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps >> leading to incubation start. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Claude >> _______________________________________________ >> Incubator mailing list >> Incubator@... >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator >> > > > -- > Cameron Shorter > Geospatial Solutions Manager > Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 > Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 > > Think Globally, Fix Locally > Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source > http://www.lisasoft.com > > Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by dirk frigne-2
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Also for me my last night in Australia.
But next week I will be traveling in Germany and France. So I propose to shedule a meeting at the offices of Camptocamp to discuss the differences and the simularities a bit more, but I certainly don't agree with the statement that Geomajas is not an application framework. Geomajas is ginving you the opportunity to develop webmap applications that are scalable and can be integrated with back end processes, this in a total java environment, which leverages frameworks that has already proven a good 'framework track'. So, Claude, if you can find a timeslot anytime next week, I'll try to be at your office to discuss this further. Dirk Frigne. Claude Philipona schreef: > Hello, > > My last night in Australia, I won't be too wordy. > > There are for sure some overlap in terms of the client-side features, > but it is globally quite different. > > As far as I know here are some differences: > - MapFish is a pylons-based framework which relies on OSGeo software > such as OpenLayers, GeoExt, ... (MapFish was actually a the root of > GeoExt) and is agnostic from a particular mapping server. GeoMajas > seems to be a fully independent stack not based on OSGeo or components > from communities. > > - It's always hard to define what is framework, but from my point of > view, GeoMajas is more a webmapping application builder, than a > development framework giving total freedom to the develop any advanced > web mapping application. > > On the MapFish side, of course there are no barrier to share works > that can meet the needs form several parties. MapFish already achieved > such sharing with GeoExt, which emerged from MapFish last year after > the FOSS4G BoF with different persons and organizations such as > OpenGeo. MapFish first development started actually in 2006, after > FOSS4G Lausanne. That was the first try to make a rewrite of CartoWeb > with a more uptodate technology. Since then, it has been a constant > goal to use, share, enhanced Open Source components. That was for > example the case with OpenLayers. > > Claude > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 19:08, Cameron Shorter > <cameron.shorter@...> wrote: > >> At FOSS4G, I was introduced to GeoMajas http://www.geomajas.org/ >> This project provides similar functionality to MapFish, and before moving >> into MapFish into incubation, I'd be interested to hear a discussion about >> the similarities and differences between the two projects. In particular, >> I'd be interested to hear whether there are opportunities to share libraries >> between projects. (We gain more by focusing our developers on one project >> rather than splitting between many). >> >> Claude Philipona wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I'd like to point to the ticket 293 (MapFish Incubation application >>> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/293), more than a year old, for >>> which the incubation committee hasn't given any answer yet. >>> >>> The experiences and discussions at the FOSS4G conference clearly shows >>> the large interest and the need for such a framework in the FOSS4G >>> ecosystem. Since last year, the number of users, organizations, >>> companies implementing or contributing to MapFish has continuously >>> increased. MapFish fills some holes as a high end webmapping >>> framework, now that some projects using previous generation technology >>> are stalling or slowly dying. A PSC is being set-up with a large >>> representation from different organizations, countries, background. >>> >>> All the criteria for Incubation are fully met and it is now really a >>> good time, as I've discussed with several members of the incubation >>> committee, to start incubation as the MapFish just went through one >>> lifecycle and is just starting the next one with important strategic >>> decision. >>> >>> We will discuss the project organization during the BoF 2 hours from >>> now and I hope we can take the chance to discuss afterwards with >>> members of the Incubation Committee to quickly go on the further steps >>> leading to incubation start. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Claude >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Incubator mailing list >>> Incubator@... >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator >>> >>> >> -- >> Cameron Shorter >> Geospatial Solutions Manager >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 >> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 >> >> Think Globally, Fix Locally >> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source >> http://www.lisasoft.com >> >> >> > > -- Sincerely, Dirk Frigne Geosparc n.v. Business Parc "Zuiderpoort" G.Crommenlaan 10, box 101 B-9050 Ghent +32 495 508 799 http://www.geomajas.org sip:dirkf@... _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by Cameron Shorter-3
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Bob Basques wrote:
> It seems to me that these types of discussions should happen after incubation, or at least more near the end of the process. Or is it a feeling that the sooner the better, or rather once things are set, not much you can do about it, sort of thinking? > One of the rules of marketing is "the less you write, the more your words will be read". I feel the same about OSGeo projects. We should be focusing on a few quality projects rather than a catalog of all projects around. The OSGeo brand should be helping implementers select the best of the projects around. -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by Jody Garnett-3
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> GeoExt) and is agnostic from a particular mapping server. GeoMajas > seems to be a fully independent stack not based on OSGeo or components > from communities. GeoMajas is using GeoTools under the hood. Jody _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by Jody Garnett-3
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> One of the rules of marketing is "the less you write, the more your words
> will be read". > I feel the same about OSGeo projects. We should be focusing on a few quality > projects rather than a catalog of all projects around. The OSGeo brand > should be helping implementers select the best of the projects around. Interesting; the mandate for OSGeo is to support open source geospatial; not really to a produce a sensible stack of projects (there are many vendors doing exactly that and we want to encourage their success). If the OSGeo brand wants to do some sensible work in this direction we can start offering feature comparisons and so forth to enable users to evaluate. With this in mind I am coming down completely in the opposite direction; I want to encourage competition and collaboration as two tools to increase quality across the board. Jody _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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Re: [Incubator] MapFish Incubation application - reactivation
by Claude Philipona
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I mostly agree with the fact that OSGeo projects need to have some
kind of uniformity on how they present themselves from a marketing point of view, so that non OSGeo specialist can easily enter into the OSGeo world. This is mandatory, I totally support the different brainstormings going on right now about those topics, and there are some really good ideas coming out. BUT, I don't think going to some extreme of choosing one piece of software for each group of features is the right way to go. Should OSGeo choose between MapServer and GeoServer based on the last shoutout? Oh no! we won't have Jeff and Andrea walking down the aisles anymore; nobody will show up at the next closing plenary... Should OSGeo keep just one Desktop GIS, they are doing all pretty much the same kind of job, or at least it would be quite easy to do so. Which one to pick? QGis?, Udig? gvSIG?...and so on for about all the current OSGeo projects from which half or more should be kicked out as less performing duplicates. Doesn't make much sense. OSGeo should be able to host projects covering partly the same needs or features, but maybe with a different angle of approach or a different technology, as long as they are community projects that are open to collaboration with other OSGeo project or more extensively with Open source projects. The rules for incubation are already quite well defined. Open Source and OSGeo need some emulating diversity for its evolution. Some projects will appear, some will fade out or even die, the core low-level lib will probably have longer life cycle.... Software macrocosm is at some point like organic life, things are happening where you didn't image them to appear. Oh, I just crossed the Equator, let's put the mail on the queue. Claude 2009/10/28 Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@...>: >> One of the rules of marketing is "the less you write, the more your words >> will be read". >> I feel the same about OSGeo projects. We should be focusing on a few quality >> projects rather than a catalog of all projects around. The OSGeo brand >> should be helping implementers select the best of the projects around. > > Interesting; the mandate for OSGeo is to support open source > geospatial; not really to a produce a sensible stack of projects > (there are many vendors doing exactly that and we want to encourage > their success). > > If the OSGeo brand wants to do some sensible work in this direction we > can start offering feature comparisons and so forth to enable users to > evaluate. > > With this in mind I am coming down completely in the opposite > direction; I want to encourage competition and collaboration as two > tools to increase quality across the board. > > Jody > _______________________________________________ > Incubator mailing list > Incubator@... > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator > Dev mailing list Dev@... http://www.mapfish.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dev |
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