Mathematica Plugin

[photon']

I just received a confirmation from the organiser of  the Mathematica Symposium of Users ( London June 11th-13th 2012 ) , that my paper has been accepted.
You can find below the text of the abstract i sent (one month ago).

Some participants of this meeting will likely want to try TeXmacs.
It would be great -if possible - to provide them an installable version of a plugin Mathematica.
I have myself a version of Andrey's plugin, working well on my mac thanks to the great help of Philippe and Miguel,
but I'm unable to summarize how Miguel did that job  ( i kept all the stuff generated during the compilation ).

I would appreciate any idea/advice on what should possibly say/show/ask at the meeting.

bertrand


----

Abstract:

As a regular user of both Mathematica and the editing platform GNU-TeXmacs, I started about two years ago developing some packages for interfacing Mathematica and TeXmacs. That allowed me to export most of the Mathematica expressions into TeXmacs, and to generate most of the TeXmacs objects ( graphical elements, tables ) using Mathematica.

 On the basis of this I developed some pedagogic material, with numerous examples of application, easily  available via a TeXmacs plugin-menu.
Some of these features of this program are:

- Ability to generate sophisticated mixtures of graphs and text ( 2D ), such that: graphs, diagrams, fregean ideography, development of euclidian division etc...
  Using TeXmacs  in place of the standard Mathematica front end, all the results can be reedited in the friendly framework of TeXmacs  with its high-quality typesetting,    and printed with a LaTeX quality.

- Possibility of doing some step by step constructions in geometry ( but not dynamic ) like adding geometrical elements
  ( points, segment by  points, parallel to segment by other points, circle, squares, polygons  ... )
 
- Possibility to import data from a ( TeXmacs ) file containing arrays or geometric figures for evaluating coordinates, angles, distances, areas...

- Possible transformations (2D) of most of the geometric objects ( combination of translations, rotations, symmetries, Möbius )

- Representation of the solutions of some differential equations associate to a given direction vectorial files.
   ( Unsing TeXmacs, we can add points manually in a region of the vectorial field or by introducing the coordinates.
   The analytic solutions ( for the curves by each given point ) are written in an associated table ).

- Basic curve and (multi-curves ) stretching, with representation of intersections and extrema. Curves of regression.
  
- Finding the properties of binary operations ( associativity, commutativity conditions for structure of group ) or binary relation
  ( reflexivity, transitivity, symmetry ) for finite sets of various object ( numbers, matrices, functions ) .


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Le 17.03.12 11:51, Joris van der Hoeven a écrit :

Dear Bertrand,

Sure!

I do think however that it would be necessary to make things easier to use.
In particular, we should try hard to integrate your work directly into
the existing Mathematica plug-in (and if possible, by keeping backward
compatabiliy; at home, I still have an old version of Mathematica that
Andrey gave me; I can test any improvements you make using that version).

I understood that you got the old Mathematica plug-in to work for you
at the workshop. Could you or Andrey please commit this updated plug-in
if you think that it is OK and does not break the old version?
Then I will test on my machine and we can start working on integrating
the core of your work into the updated plug-in.

Best wishes, --Joris



On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:19:39AM +0100, BB wrote:

Do you thing it could have some interest to present my packages
Matematica for TeXmacs in this Mathematica symposium of users ?

bertand

--------------------------

/Dear Bratschi Bertrand,

The International Mathematica Symposium is an independently
organized, interdisciplinary conference for and by users of
Mathematica.

If you use Mathematica in research or teaching, or if you have
developed or are developing products based on Mathematica, then
IMS is an opportunity to share your results with like-minded
colleagues. IMS has built up a deserved reputation as an
exceptionally convivial and friendly gathering.

The 2012 International Mathematica Symposium will be hosted by
the Departments of Mathematics and Computer Science at University
College London in June 2012.

With sessions already including GPU and grid applications,
education, and finance, now is the opportunity for you to submit
papers for possible inclusion in the conference.

The abstract submission deadline is March 23, 2012./

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[Peter Rapčan]

Dear Bertrand,

Is the updated mathematica plug-in for TeXmacs available somewhere? Would be great :-).

Cheers,

Peter.

On Apr 20, 2012, at 3:01 PM, BB wrote:

I just received a confirmation from the organiser of  the Mathematica Symposium of Users ( London June 11th-13th 2012 ) , that my paper has been accepted.
You can find below the text of the abstract i sent (one month ago).

Some participants of this meeting will likely want to try TeXmacs.
It would be great -if possible - to provide them an installable version of a plugin Mathematica.
I have myself a version of Andrey's plugin, working well on my mac thanks to the great help of Philippe and Miguel,
but I'm unable to summarize how Miguel did that job  ( i kept all the stuff generated during the compilation ).

I would appreciate any idea/advice on what should possibly say/show/ask at the meeting.

bertrand


----

Abstract:

As a regular user of both Mathematica and the editing platform GNU-TeXmacs, I started about two years ago developing some packages for interfacing Mathematica and TeXmacs. That allowed me to export most of the Mathematica expressions into TeXmacs, and to generate most of the TeXmacs objects ( graphical elements, tables ) using Mathematica.

 On the basis of this I developed some pedagogic material, with numerous examples of application, easily  available via a TeXmacs plugin-menu.
Some of these features of this program are:

- Ability to generate sophisticated mixtures of graphs and text ( 2D ), such that: graphs, diagrams, fregean ideography, development of euclidian division etc...
  Using TeXmacs  in place of the standard Mathematica front end, all the results can be reedited in the friendly framework of TeXmacs  with its high-quality typesetting,    and printed with a LaTeX quality.

- Possibility of doing some step by step constructions in geometry ( but not dynamic ) like adding geometrical elements
  ( points, segment by  points, parallel to segment by other points, circle, squares, polygons  ... )
 
- Possibility to import data from a ( TeXmacs ) file containing arrays or geometric figures for evaluating coordinates, angles, distances, areas...

- Possible transformations (2D) of most of the geometric objects ( combination of translations, rotations, symmetries, Möbius )

- Representation of the solutions of some differential equations associate to a given direction vectorial files.
   ( Unsing TeXmacs, we can add points manually in a region of the vectorial field or by introducing the coordinates.
   The analytic solutions ( for the curves by each given point ) are written in an associated table ).

- Basic curve and (multi-curves ) stretching, with representation of intersections and extrema. Curves of regression.
  
- Finding the properties of binary operations ( associativity, commutativity conditions for structure of group ) or binary relation
  ( reflexivity, transitivity, symmetry ) for finite sets of various object ( numbers, matrices, functions ) .


-----------------  messages relative to this subject  ------

Le 17.03.12 11:51, Joris van der Hoeven a écrit :

Dear Bertrand,

Sure!

I do think however that it would be necessary to make things easier to use.
In particular, we should try hard to integrate your work directly into
the existing Mathematica plug-in (and if possible, by keeping backward
compatabiliy; at home, I still have an old version of Mathematica that
Andrey gave me; I can test any improvements you make using that version).

I understood that you got the old Mathematica plug-in to work for you
at the workshop. Could you or Andrey please commit this updated plug-in
if you think that it is OK and does not break the old version?
Then I will test on my machine and we can start working on integrating
the core of your work into the updated plug-in.

Best wishes, --Joris



On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:19:39AM +0100, BB wrote:

Do you thing it could have some interest to present my packages
Matematica for TeXmacs in this Mathematica symposium of users ?

bertand

--------------------------

/Dear Bratschi Bertrand,

The International Mathematica Symposium is an independently
organized, interdisciplinary conference for and by users of
Mathematica.

If you use Mathematica in research or teaching, or if you have
developed or are developing products based on Mathematica, then
IMS is an opportunity to share your results with like-minded
colleagues. IMS has built up a deserved reputation as an
exceptionally convivial and friendly gathering.

The 2012 International Mathematica Symposium will be hosted by
the Departments of Mathematics and Computer Science at University
College London in June 2012.

With sessions already including GPU and grid applications,
education, and finance, now is the opportunity for you to submit
papers for possible inclusion in the conference.

The abstract submission deadline is March 23, 2012./

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[Philippe Joyez]

Dear Peter and Bertrand,

Sorry to disappoint you but I'm afraid that getting a working mathematica plugin
"out of the box" for new users is not going to happen before the summer. However
a user with some motivation and knowledge can make it to work. Let me explain
 why.

What's broken is not Andrey's mathematica plugin code itself, it's the one-time
script that runs the first time the user wants to connect to mathematica. That
script *compiles* the plugin code, linking it to the actual mathlink library on
the user's system and puts the resulting executable in the user's Texmacs
directory. Since the time when Andrey wrote the script, there has been 3 major
releases of Mathematica and the added support of MacOS and Windows in Texmacs,
that all broke that installation script in various ways.

Now, fixing the script so that texmacs would in all cases transparently connect
to mathematica without any user intervention seems unlikely to happen for the
simple reason that a compiler may not even be available on the user's machine.
So manual installation of the (OS-dependent) toolchain would be necessary
anyway. Furthermore the new script(s) would have to handle many OSes and many
possible mathematica versions, which means someone should have access to all
(OS-mathematica version) configurations... but who would that be?

Presently I see no solution other than providing good how-tos on the
compilation, or at best platform-specific scripts. What I posted last year in
the users' list (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.texmacs.user/7409) is
how to perform this one-time compilation in linux, which isn't really a big
deal. In Albufeira, Miguel worked out the way to do this on MacOS for Bertrand.
If I understood correctly, it was not as easy as in linux and that should
probably be written into a howto as well. Then it would certainly be nice to
centralize these instructions at some place (the famous wiki? a forum with a
dedicated "plugins" section?) so that they could be maintained up-to date with
user contributions for new setups, new versions, etc.

Best,
Philippe






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[Peter Rapčan]

Dear Philippe,

Thank you for the information. Indeed, it would help a lot if at least scripts that are working for specific combinations of Mathematica & OS were made available somewhere.

As for the problems with developing a universally working script you've mentioned, I am willing to try the scripts / help debugging them with various versions (Mathematica 7 & 8 at least) on OS X (probably I could also install & try on Windows & Linux). Moreover, if someone took the task to develop such a universal script, I am willing to provide remote access to a machine with Mathematica(s) & OS X / Linux.

Best,
Peter.


On 25.4.2012, at 11:32, Philippe Joyez wrote:

> Dear Peter and Bertrand,
>
> Sorry to disappoint you but I'm afraid that getting a working mathematica plugin
> "out of the box" for new users is not going to happen before the summer. However
> a user with some motivation and knowledge can make it to work. Let me explain
> why.
>
> What's broken is not Andrey's mathematica plugin code itself, it's the one-time
> script that runs the first time the user wants to connect to mathematica. That
> script *compiles* the plugin code, linking it to the actual mathlink library on
> the user's system and puts the resulting executable in the user's Texmacs
> directory. Since the time when Andrey wrote the script, there has been 3 major
> releases of Mathematica and the added support of MacOS and Windows in Texmacs,
> that all broke that installation script in various ways.
>
> Now, fixing the script so that texmacs would in all cases transparently connect
> to mathematica without any user intervention seems unlikely to happen for the
> simple reason that a compiler may not even be available on the user's machine.
> So manual installation of the (OS-dependent) toolchain would be necessary
> anyway. Furthermore the new script(s) would have to handle many OSes and many
> possible mathematica versions, which means someone should have access to all
> (OS-mathematica version) configurations... but who would that be?
>
> Presently I see no solution other than providing good how-tos on the
> compilation, or at best platform-specific scripts. What I posted last year in
> the users' list (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.texmacs.user/7409) is
> how to perform this one-time compilation in linux, which isn't really a big
> deal. In Albufeira, Miguel worked out the way to do this on MacOS for Bertrand.
> If I understood correctly, it was not as easy as in linux and that should
> probably be written into a howto as well. Then it would certainly be nice to
> centralize these instructions at some place (the famous wiki? a forum with a
> dedicated "plugins" section?) so that they could be maintained up-to date with
> user contributions for new setups, new versions, etc.
>
> Best,
> Philippe
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Joris van der Hoeven]

Dear Philippe,

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 09:32:05AM +0000, Philippe Joyez wrote:

> Sorry to disappoint you but I'm afraid that getting a working mathematica plugin
> "out of the box" for new users is not going to happen before the summer. However
> a user with some motivation and knowledge can make it to work. Let me explain
>  why.
>
> What's broken is not Andrey's mathematica plugin code itself, it's the one-time
> script that runs the first time the user wants to connect to mathematica. That
> script *compiles* the plugin code, linking it to the actual mathlink library on
> the user's system and puts the resulting executable in the user's Texmacs
> directory. Since the time when Andrey wrote the script, there has been 3 major
> releases of Mathematica and the added support of MacOS and Windows in Texmacs,
> that all broke that installation script in various ways.
>
> Now, fixing the script so that texmacs would in all cases transparently connect
> to mathematica without any user intervention seems unlikely to happen for the
> simple reason that a compiler may not even be available on the user's machine.
> So manual installation of the (OS-dependent) toolchain would be necessary
> anyway. Furthermore the new script(s) would have to handle many OSes and many
> possible mathematica versions, which means someone should have access to all
> (OS-mathematica version) configurations... but who would that be?
>
> Presently I see no solution other than providing good how-tos on the
> compilation, or at best platform-specific scripts. What I posted last year in
> the users' list (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.texmacs.user/7409) is
> how to perform this one-time compilation in linux, which isn't really a big
> deal. In Albufeira, Miguel worked out the way to do this on MacOS for Bertrand.
> If I understood correctly, it was not as easy as in linux and that should
> probably be written into a howto as well. Then it would certainly be nice to
> centralize these instructions at some place (the famous wiki? a forum with a
> dedicated "plugins" section?) so that they could be maintained up-to date with
> user contributions for new setups, new versions, etc.

What I propose is that those who are willing to work on the howto's
also try to fix the installation script at least in those cases when
they can make it work.

I agree that this is not nice to program, since it might involve tests
on both the OS and the version of Mathematica. However, I think that
this is really how a novel user would expect things to behave.

The real pain here is that Mathematica and Maple provide so called
'Open' interfaces which we are not allowed to link in to our software.
So there is not much else that we can do than compile things on the fly.

Best wishes, --Joris


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[Massimiliano Gubinelli]

It is possible to create an executable inside mathematica

http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/CCompilerDriver/ref/CreateExecutable.html

this maybe helps with the process of building the plugin code. Instead of using a script, directly compile it inside mathematica.

my 2c.

max



On 25 avr. 2012, at 13:08, Joris van der Hoeven wrote:

> Dear Philippe,
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 09:32:05AM +0000, Philippe Joyez wrote:
>> Sorry to disappoint you but I'm afraid that getting a working mathematica plugin
>> "out of the box" for new users is not going to happen before the summer. However
>> a user with some motivation and knowledge can make it to work. Let me explain
>> why.
>>
>> What's broken is not Andrey's mathematica plugin code itself, it's the one-time
>> script that runs the first time the user wants to connect to mathematica. That
>> script *compiles* the plugin code, linking it to the actual mathlink library on
>> the user's system and puts the resulting executable in the user's Texmacs
>> directory. Since the time when Andrey wrote the script, there has been 3 major
>> releases of Mathematica and the added support of MacOS and Windows in Texmacs,
>> that all broke that installation script in various ways.
>>
>> Now, fixing the script so that texmacs would in all cases transparently connect
>> to mathematica without any user intervention seems unlikely to happen for the
>> simple reason that a compiler may not even be available on the user's machine.
>> So manual installation of the (OS-dependent) toolchain would be necessary
>> anyway. Furthermore the new script(s) would have to handle many OSes and many
>> possible mathematica versions, which means someone should have access to all
>> (OS-mathematica version) configurations... but who would that be?
>>
>> Presently I see no solution other than providing good how-tos on the
>> compilation, or at best platform-specific scripts. What I posted last year in
>> the users' list (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.texmacs.user/7409) is
>> how to perform this one-time compilation in linux, which isn't really a big
>> deal. In Albufeira, Miguel worked out the way to do this on MacOS for Bertrand.
>> If I understood correctly, it was not as easy as in linux and that should
>> probably be written into a howto as well. Then it would certainly be nice to
>> centralize these instructions at some place (the famous wiki? a forum with a
>> dedicated "plugins" section?) so that they could be maintained up-to date with
>> user contributions for new setups, new versions, etc.
>
> What I propose is that those who are willing to work on the howto's
> also try to fix the installation script at least in those cases when
> they can make it work.
>
> I agree that this is not nice to program, since it might involve tests
> on both the OS and the version of Mathematica. However, I think that
> this is really how a novel user would expect things to behave.
>
> The real pain here is that Mathematica and Maple provide so called
> 'Open' interfaces which we are not allowed to link in to our software.
> So there is not much else that we can do than compile things on the fly.
>
> Best wishes, --Joris
>
>
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[Philippe Joyez]

Gubinelli Massimiliano <m.gubinelli <at> gmail.com> writes:

>
> It is possible to create an executable inside mathematica
>
>
http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/CCompilerDriver/ref/CreateExecutable.ht
m
l
>
> this maybe helps with the process of building the plugin code. Instead of
using
a script, directly compile
> it inside mathematica.
>
> my 2c.
>
> max
>

Wow! It seems all configured to work with texmacs already! From their
documentation:

"If an input file is given that has an extension of .tm, CreateExecutable
 will treat it as a MathLink template file and use mprep to process it."

Isn't it neat? :)

It's only for v >=8, and you still have to provide the compiler, but
that's already nice. We should definitely look into that.

Philippe


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[Joris van der Hoeven]

Thanks Max; that seems the right way to do things; if someone has time...
In the links there is more info about building mathlinked executables.


On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 02:04:20PM +0200, Gubinelli Massimiliano wrote:

> It is possible to create an executable inside mathematica
>
> http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/CCompilerDriver/ref/CreateExecutable.html
>
> this maybe helps with the process of building the plugin code. Instead of using a script, directly compile it inside mathematica.
>
> my 2c.
>
> max
>
>
>
> On 25 avr. 2012, at 13:08, Joris van der Hoeven wrote:
>
> > Dear Philippe,
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 09:32:05AM +0000, Philippe Joyez wrote:
> >> Sorry to disappoint you but I'm afraid that getting a working mathematica plugin
> >> "out of the box" for new users is not going to happen before the summer. However
> >> a user with some motivation and knowledge can make it to work. Let me explain
> >> why.
> >>
> >> What's broken is not Andrey's mathematica plugin code itself, it's the one-time
> >> script that runs the first time the user wants to connect to mathematica. That
> >> script *compiles* the plugin code, linking it to the actual mathlink library on
> >> the user's system and puts the resulting executable in the user's Texmacs
> >> directory. Since the time when Andrey wrote the script, there has been 3 major
> >> releases of Mathematica and the added support of MacOS and Windows in Texmacs,
> >> that all broke that installation script in various ways.
> >>
> >> Now, fixing the script so that texmacs would in all cases transparently connect
> >> to mathematica without any user intervention seems unlikely to happen for the
> >> simple reason that a compiler may not even be available on the user's machine.
> >> So manual installation of the (OS-dependent) toolchain would be necessary
> >> anyway. Furthermore the new script(s) would have to handle many OSes and many
> >> possible mathematica versions, which means someone should have access to all
> >> (OS-mathematica version) configurations... but who would that be?
> >>
> >> Presently I see no solution other than providing good how-tos on the
> >> compilation, or at best platform-specific scripts. What I posted last year in
> >> the users' list (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.texmacs.user/7409) is
> >> how to perform this one-time compilation in linux, which isn't really a big
> >> deal. In Albufeira, Miguel worked out the way to do this on MacOS for Bertrand.
> >> If I understood correctly, it was not as easy as in linux and that should
> >> probably be written into a howto as well. Then it would certainly be nice to
> >> centralize these instructions at some place (the famous wiki? a forum with a
> >> dedicated "plugins" section?) so that they could be maintained up-to date with
> >> user contributions for new setups, new versions, etc.
> >
> > What I propose is that those who are willing to work on the howto's
> > also try to fix the installation script at least in those cases when
> > they can make it work.
> >
> > I agree that this is not nice to program, since it might involve tests
> > on both the OS and the version of Mathematica. However, I think that
> > this is really how a novel user would expect things to behave.
> >
> > The real pain here is that Mathematica and Maple provide so called
> > 'Open' interfaces which we are not allowed to link in to our software.
> > So there is not much else that we can do than compile things on the fly.
> >
> > Best wishes, --Joris
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Texmacs-dev@...
> > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/texmacs-dev
>
>
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[B.Bratschi]

yes It is neat...

The advantage is that the compilation for using mathlink would be
launched once from Mathematica ( in place of the script ).
That would solve the problem of handling many OSes ?


bertrand

----------------------------------



------

Le 25.04.12 15:04, Philippe Joyez a écrit :

> Gubinelli Massimiliano<m.gubinelli<at>  gmail.com>  writes:
>
>> It is possible to create an executable inside mathematica
>>
>>
> http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/CCompilerDriver/ref/CreateExecutable.ht
> m
> l
>> this maybe helps with the process of building the plugin code. Instead of
> using
> a script, directly compile
>> it inside mathematica.
>>
>> my 2c.
>>
>> max
>>
> Wow! It seems all configured to work with texmacs already! From their
> documentation:
>
> "If an input file is given that has an extension of .tm, CreateExecutable
>   will treat it as a MathLink template file and use mprep to process it."
>
> Isn't it neat? :)
>
> It's only for v>=8, and you still have to provide the compiler, but
> that's already nice. We should definitely look into that.
>
> Philippe
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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[Joris van der Hoeven]

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 04:53:45PM +0200, B.Bratschi wrote:
> yes It is neat...
>
> The advantage is that the compilation for using mathlink would be
> launched once from Mathematica ( in place of the script ).
> That would solve the problem of handling many OSes ?

Yes, it handles everything except versions < 8 and someone who does the implementation ;^)

--Joris

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