Mind map module

[Jostein Ven]

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Everybody,

The module in the CKM for visualising arketypes as mind maps - is it open source and how can we get access to it? Is there a plan to in

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[Ian McNicoll-3]

Hi Jostein,

Sebastian can confirm this but I understand that CKM uses an open
Freemind viewer browser component.

There is also some branched archetype editor source code that was
developed by one of Sebastian's students to add mindmapping facility.
Unfortunately this is now very out of date with the Trunk code and
relies on a closed .Net coding component with a per-developer licence
so cannot formally be part of the openEHR development. If someone was
interested in doing this work, however, I am sure Ocean could find a
way to assist.

I wonder if adding this functionality directly to AE is in any case
the sensible approach. it might be interesting to see if someone could
develop a simple web-service that would take an uploaded archetype and
display the result in the Freemind browser.

Might be a good student project.

Ian

Dr Ian McNicoll
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SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland
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On 18 January 2012 11:14, Jostein Ven <josteinven@...> wrote:

> Everybody,
>
> The module in the CKM for visualising arketypes as mind maps - is it open
> source and how can we get access to it? Is there a plan to in
>
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[Sebastian Garde-2]

On 18.01.2012 12:45, Ian McNicoll wrote:
> Hi Jostein,
>
> Sebastian can confirm this but I understand that CKM uses an open
> Freemind viewer browser component.
Essentially yes, it is the Freemind Flash Browser.
The source files for Freemind is a fairly simple XML as you can see when
you download the freemind files for the archetype (There is a link
underneath the mindmap).
This can also be imported by e.g. XMind.
> There is also some branched archetype editor source code that was
> developed by one of Sebastian's students to add mindmapping facility.
> Unfortunately this is now very out of date with the Trunk code and
> relies on a closed .Net coding component with a per-developer licence
> so cannot formally be part of the openEHR development. If someone was
> interested in doing this work, however, I am sure Ocean could find a
> way to assist.
This uses a different technology though and as you said a nice .NET
library that unfortunately is not open source.
Also, this code makes direct use of fields in the Archetype Editor (i.e.
not from a parsed ADL file or the like) and thus is not directly usable.

Sebastian

> I wonder if adding this functionality directly to AE is in any case
> the sensible approach. it might be interesting to see if someone could
> develop a simple web-service that would take an uploaded archetype and
> display the result in the Freemind browser.
> Might be a good student project.
>
> Ian
>
> Dr Ian McNicoll
> office [phone]
> fax [phone]
> mobile [phone]
> skype ianmcnicoll
> ian.mcnicoll@...
>
> Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK
> Director/Clinical Knowledge Editor openEHR Foundation  www.openehr.org/knowledge
> Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL
> SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland
> BCS Primary Health Care  www.phcsg.org
>
>
>
> On 18 January 2012 11:14, Jostein Ven<josteinven@...>  wrote:
>> Everybody,
>>
>> The module in the CKM for visualising arketypes as mind maps - is it open
>> source and how can we get access to it? Is there a plan to in
>>
>>

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[Diego Boscá]

We have included in LinkEHR a mindmap (freemind) generic
transformation based on AOM and we also use Freemind Flash Browser to
visualize it. Visualization is not the same as the one in CKM (as I
told is generic, see this example http://i.imgur.com/FlLFY.png) and if
you pass our LinkEHR reference model documentation object you can
generate a 'prettier' one (as we already do with HL7 CDA or EN13606,
see this example http://i.imgur.com/YykuX.png). We have been asked
recently to open this part of the code (Java) and we are going to do
this in a short time.

2012/1/18 Sebastian Garde <sebastian.garde@...>:

>
>
> On 18.01.2012 12:45, Ian McNicoll wrote:
>> Hi Jostein,
>>
>> Sebastian can confirm this but I understand that CKM uses an open
>> Freemind viewer browser component.
> Essentially yes, it is the Freemind Flash Browser.
> The source files for Freemind is a fairly simple XML as you can see when
> you download the freemind files for the archetype (There is a link
> underneath the mindmap).
> This can also be imported by e.g. XMind.
>> There is also some branched archetype editor source code that was
>> developed by one of Sebastian's students to add mindmapping facility.
>> Unfortunately this is now very out of date with the Trunk code and
>> relies on a closed .Net coding component with a per-developer licence
>> so cannot formally be part of the openEHR development. If someone was
>> interested in doing this work, however, I am sure Ocean could find a
>> way to assist.
> This uses a different technology though and as you said a nice .NET
> library that unfortunately is not open source.
> Also, this code makes direct use of fields in the Archetype Editor (i.e.
> not from a parsed ADL file or the like) and thus is not directly usable.
>
> Sebastian
>> I wonder if adding this functionality directly to AE is in any case
>> the sensible approach. it might be interesting to see if someone could
>> develop a simple web-service that would take an uploaded archetype and
>> display the result in the Freemind browser.
>> Might be a good student project.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> Dr Ian McNicoll
>> office [phone]
>> fax [phone]
>> mobile [phone]
>> skype ianmcnicoll
>> ian.mcnicoll@...
>>
>> Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK
>> Director/Clinical Knowledge Editor openEHR Foundation  www.openehr.org/knowledge
>> Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL
>> SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland
>> BCS Primary Health Care  www.phcsg.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18 January 2012 11:14, Jostein Ven<josteinven@...>  wrote:
>>> Everybody,
>>>
>>> The module in the CKM for visualising arketypes as mind maps - is it open
>>> source and how can we get access to it? Is there a plan to in
>>>
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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[Linhardt Peter]

Hi Thomas

We have many times discussed, that for physicians and others, whop are not very experienced in coded transcript
Is the MindMap like visualisation very helpfull to understand and follow dependencies of Archetypes, and we would
Like to support the approach to utilise at lest Freemind browser fro the CKM

Thank you

Ing. Peter Linhardt, PhD.,
Výskumné centrum STU
Riaditeľ

Slovenská technická univerzita v Bratislave
Vazovova 5
812 43  Bratislava

tel.  [phone]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Mind map module

Hi Jostein,

Sebastian can confirm this but I understand that CKM uses an open Freemind viewer browser component.

There is also some branched archetype editor source code that was developed by one of Sebastian's students to add mindmapping facility.
Unfortunately this is now very out of date with the Trunk code and relies on a closed .Net coding component with a per-developer licence so cannot formally be part of the openEHR development. If someone was interested in doing this work, however, I am sure Ocean could find a way to assist.

I wonder if adding this functionality directly to AE is in any case the sensible approach. it might be interesting to see if someone could develop a simple web-service that would take an uploaded archetype and display the result in the Freemind browser.

Might be a good student project.

Ian

Dr Ian McNicoll
office [phone]
fax [phone]
mobile [phone]
skype ianmcnicoll
ian.mcnicoll@...

Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK Director/Clinical Knowledge Editor openEHR Foundation  www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland BCS Primary Health Care  www.phcsg.org



On 18 January 2012 11:14, Jostein Ven <josteinven@...> wrote:

> Everybody,
>
> The module in the CKM for visualising arketypes as mind maps - is it
> open source and how can we get access to it? Is there a plan to in
>
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[Sebastian Garde-2]

Hi Peter,

Sorry Peter, I am not sure I understand your request.
Are you suggesting a change to the CKM freemind browser or do you want to integrate CKM mindmaps into the Archetype Editor?
Can you clarify please?

Best regards
Sebastian

On 18.01.2012 15:46, Linhardt Peter wrote:

Hi Thomas

We have many times discussed, that for physicians and others, whop are not very experienced in coded transcript
Is the MindMap like visualisation very helpfull to understand and follow dependencies of Archetypes, and we would
Like to support the approach to utilise at lest Freemind browser fro the CKM

Thank you

Ing. Peter Linhardt, PhD.,
Výskumné centrum STU
Riaditeľ

Slovenská technická univerzita v Bratislave
Vazovova 5 
812 43  Bratislava

tel.  [phone]
peter.linhardt@...
www.stuba.sk
Think environment before you print.

-----Original Message-----
From: openehr-technical-bounces@... [openehr-technical-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Ian McNicoll
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 PM
To: For openEHR technical discussions
Subject: Re: Mind map module

Hi Jostein,

Sebastian can confirm this but I understand that CKM uses an open Freemind viewer browser component.

There is also some branched archetype editor source code that was developed by one of Sebastian's students to add mindmapping facility.
Unfortunately this is now very out of date with the Trunk code and relies on a closed .Net coding component with a per-developer licence so cannot formally be part of the openEHR development. If someone was interested in doing this work, however, I am sure Ocean could find a way to assist.

I wonder if adding this functionality directly to AE is in any case the sensible approach. it might be interesting to see if someone could develop a simple web-service that would take an uploaded archetype and display the result in the Freemind browser.

Might be a good student project.

Ian

Dr Ian McNicoll
office [phone]
fax [phone]
mobile [phone]
skype ianmcnicoll
ian.mcnicoll@...

Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK Director/Clinical Knowledge Editor openEHR Foundation  www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland BCS Primary Health Care  www.phcsg.org



On 18 January 2012 11:14, Jostein Ven josteinven@... wrote:

Everybody,

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open source and how can we get access to it? Is there a plan to in

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[Linhardt Peter]

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Good morning Sebastian

 

We are talking two diferent features.

1.       Integration of freemind mindmap viewer to CKM  to visualise the archetype (possibly also template ), which is I guess an easy task

2.       Integration of MindMap into editor for creating archetype form in MinMap  created archetype. I guess thjs is much more complex and

Expensive feature of the editor

 

I am led by the level of understanding for non IT staff,  dealing with helath informatics and archetypes, because I have experienced, that

Visualisation of relation between elemnets of archetype in the MindMap environment gives much better overview, understanding

And level of accpetation for the helth professionals, managers and other people, involved in transofrmation of helath record form

dB environment into archetype based solutions.

 

Best regards

 

 

Ing. Peter Linhardt, PhD.,

Výskumné centrum STU

Riaditeľ

 

Slovenská technická univerzita v Bratislave

Vazovova 5

812 43  Bratislava

 

tel.  [phone]

peter.linhardt@...

www.stuba.sk

P Think environment before you print.

 

From: openehr-technical-bounces@... [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Sebastian Garde
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:58 AM
To: For openEHR technical discussions
Subject: Re: Mind map module

 

Hi Peter,

Sorry Peter, I am not sure I understand your request.
Are you suggesting a change to the CKM freemind browser or do you want to integrate CKM mindmaps into the Archetype Editor?
Can you clarify please?

Best regards
Sebastian

On 18.01.2012 15:46, Linhardt Peter wrote:

Hi Thomas

We have many times discussed, that for physicians and others, whop are not very experienced in coded transcript

Is the MindMap like visualisation very helpfull to understand and follow dependencies of Archetypes, and we would

Like to support the approach to utilise at lest Freemind browser fro the CKM

Thank you

Ing. Peter Linhardt, PhD.,

Výskumné centrum STU

Riaditeľ

Slovenská technická univerzita v Bratislave

Vazovova 5 

812 43  Bratislava

tel.  [phone]

peter.linhardt@...

www.stuba.sk

P Think environment before you print.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:46 PM

To: For openEHR technical discussions

Subject: Re: Mind map module

Hi Jostein,

Sebastian can confirm this but I understand that CKM uses an open Freemind viewer browser component.

There is also some branched archetype editor source code that was developed by one of Sebastian's students to add mindmapping facility.

Unfortunately this is now very out of date with the Trunk code and relies on a closed .Net coding component with a per-developer licence so cannot formally be part of the openEHR development. If someone was interested in doing this work, however, I am sure Ocean could find a way to assist.

I wonder if adding this functionality directly to AE is in any case the sensible approach. it might be interesting to see if someone could develop a simple web-service that would take an uploaded archetype and display the result in the Freemind browser.

Might be a good student project.

Ian

Dr Ian McNicoll

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fax [phone]

mobile [phone]

skype ianmcnicoll

ian.mcnicoll@...

Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK Director/Clinical Knowledge Editor openEHR Foundation  www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland BCS Primary Health Care  www.phcsg.org

On 18 January 2012 11:14, Jostein Ven josteinven@... wrote:

Everybody,

The module in the CKM for visualising arketypes as mind maps - is it 

open source and how can we get access to it? Is there a plan to in

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[Thomas Beale-3]

On 18/01/2012 14:46, Linhardt Peter wrote:

Hi Thomas

We have many times discussed, that for physicians and others, whop are not very experienced in coded transcript
Is the MindMap like visualisation very helpfull to understand and follow dependencies of Archetypes, and we would
Like to support the approach to utilise at lest Freemind browser fro the CKM

I completely agree. I became a big fan of well-designed mindmaps (they are not all the same) after seeing Sebastian's great work on the CKM (at least in part driven by clinician requests, so they helped solve their own problem as well). Some thoughts on a recent blog-post.

- thomas

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