Mountain Passes - Display Issue

[Shalabh-3]

Hi,

Just to bring to the group's notice. I added a few mountain passes a couple of days ago along with the hiking trails and waypoints

Indrahar Pass at N32 17.852 E76 22.872, elevation 4342 metres
Jalsu Pass at N32 10.929 E76 41.018, elevation 3425 metres
Bhubhu Pass at N31 57.557 E76 59.684, elevation 2791 metres
Himri Pass at N32 02.299 E77 02.958, elevation 3261 metres

When I now check on OSM, while the trails are there along with the waypoints, the passes are missing. However, when I download data from OSM using JOSM, I can see the passes along with the elevations.

Any clue whats the reason for not displaying on the renderer?

Regards,
Shalabh
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[Ulf Lamping-2]

Shalabh schrieb:

> Hi,
>
> Just to bring to the group's notice. I added a few mountain passes a
> couple of days ago along with the hiking trails and waypoints
>
> Indrahar Pass at N32 17.852 E76 22.872, elevation 4342 metres
> Jalsu Pass at N32 10.929 E76 41.018, elevation 3425 metres
> Bhubhu Pass at N31 57.557 E76 59.684, elevation 2791 metres
> Himri Pass at N32 02.299 E77 02.958, elevation 3261 metres
>
> When I now check on OSM, while the trails are there along with the
> waypoints, the passes are missing. However, when I download data from
> OSM using JOSM, I can see the passes along with the elevations.
>
> Any clue whats the reason for not displaying on the renderer?

Except for JOSM, I currently don't know any renderer that displays
mountain_pass=yes at all (if there's any, please let us know :-)

Problem here: JOSM simply displays a bridge like icon, but doesn't care
about the direction (north, south, ...).

A "correct renderer" should display a mountain pass somehow like a
bridge usually is displayed, following the direction of the way.

As the mountain_pass is tagged as a node, it's unfortunately not that
easy to get that direction, so renderers simply tend to ignore this tag
completely :-(

Regards, ULFL

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[Dodi]

Ulf wrote:

>
> Shalabh schrieb:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just to bring to the group's notice. I added a few mountain passes a
> > couple of days ago along with the hiking trails and waypoints
> >
> > When I now check on OSM, while the trails are there along with the
> > waypoints, the passes are missing. However, when I download data from
> > OSM using JOSM, I can see the passes along with the elevations.
> >
> > Any clue whats the reason for not displaying on the renderer?

...
>
> A "correct renderer" should display a mountain pass somehow like a
> bridge usually is displayed, following the direction of the way.
>
> As the mountain_pass is tagged as a node, it's unfortunately not that
> easy to get that direction, so renderers simply tend to ignore this tag
> completely :-(
>

In osmarender there is a solution for this from version 4 (but not sure
about or/p)

it should be done like gates using wayMarker-s

<rule e="node" k="status" v="open">
        <wayMarker k="highway" class="gate-open"/>
</rule>

Just svg symbol is nedded
Dodi


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[Ulf Lamping-2]

Dodi schrieb:

> Ulf wrote:
>> Shalabh schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just to bring to the group's notice. I added a few mountain passes a
>>> couple of days ago along with the hiking trails and waypoints
>>>
>>> When I now check on OSM, while the trails are there along with the
>>> waypoints, the passes are missing. However, when I download data from
>>> OSM using JOSM, I can see the passes along with the elevations.
>>>
>>> Any clue whats the reason for not displaying on the renderer?
> ...
>> A "correct renderer" should display a mountain pass somehow like a
>> bridge usually is displayed, following the direction of the way.
>>
>> As the mountain_pass is tagged as a node, it's unfortunately not that
>> easy to get that direction, so renderers simply tend to ignore this tag
>> completely :-(
>>
>
> In osmarender there is a solution for this from version 4 (but not sure
> about or/p)
>
> it should be done like gates using wayMarker-s
>
> <rule e="node" k="status" v="open">
> <wayMarker k="highway" class="gate-open"/>
> </rule>
>
> Just svg symbol is nedded

You mean something like this?

http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/share/map-icons/svg/misc/landmark/mountain_pass.svg

Regards, ULFL

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[Dave G-4]

I have had the same problem so I have just been tagging them as place=<name>

but of course no pass symbol is rendered

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[Dave G-4]

sorry that should read:

ele=1234m
mountain_pass=yes
name=Harman Pass
place=locality

as in:


<iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"
marginheight="0" marginwidth="0"
src="http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=171.3785,-42.9774,171.4798,-42.9266&layer=mapnik"
style="border: 1px solid black"></iframe><br /><small><a
href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-42.952&lon=171.42915&zoom=14&layers=B000FTFT">View
Larger Map</a></small>

not ideal I admit

dave

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[Ulf Lamping-2]

Dave G schrieb:

> sorry that should read:
>
> ele=1234m
> mountain_pass=yes
> name=Harman Pass
> place=locality
>
> as in:
>
>
> <iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"
> marginheight="0" marginwidth="0"
> src="http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=171.3785,-42.9774,171.4798,-42.9266&layer=mapnik"
> style="border: 1px solid black"></iframe><br /><small><a
> href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-42.952&lon=171.42915&zoom=14&layers=B000FTFT">View
> Larger Map</a></small>
>
> not ideal I admit

Hmmm:

ele=1234 (unless you life in feet related countries :-)

... and please promise to remove place=locality once renderes gets an
understanding of mountain_passes ;-)

Regards, ULFL

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[Patrick Kilian-2]

Hi all,

>> Just to bring to the group's notice. I added a few mountain passes a
>> couple of days ago along with the hiking trails and waypoints
>>
>> When I now check on OSM, while the trails are there along with the
>> waypoints, the passes are missing. However, when I download data from
>> OSM using JOSM, I can see the passes along with the elevations.
>>
>> Any clue whats the reason for not displaying on the renderer?
>
> Except for JOSM, I currently don't know any renderer that displays
> mountain_pass=yes at all (if there's any, please let us know :-)

As of revision 18423 osmarender (the renderer used by tiles@home) does
too. It even renders name and ele(vation) if available.


> Problem here: JOSM simply displays a bridge like icon, but doesn't care
> about the direction (north, south, ...).
Osmarender does the same for single nodes...


> A "correct renderer" should display a mountain pass somehow like a
> bridge usually is displayed, following the direction of the way.
... but aligns the icon along the way if the way is tagged with a track
or highway tag. This is implemented with a wayMarker rule as mentioned
by Dodi and uses a symbol very similar to the one mentioned by Ulfl.


> As the mountain_pass is tagged as a node, it's unfortunately not that
> easy to get that direction, so renderers simply tend to ignore this tag
> completely :-(
Once a significant amount of the nodes without a way attached have a tag
indicating direction I can add that to osmarender as well.


HTH,



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[Ulf Lamping-2]

Patrick Kilian schrieb:

> Hi all,
>
>>> Just to bring to the group's notice. I added a few mountain passes a
>>> couple of days ago along with the hiking trails and waypoints
>>>
>>> When I now check on OSM, while the trails are there along with the
>>> waypoints, the passes are missing. However, when I download data from
>>> OSM using JOSM, I can see the passes along with the elevations.
>>>
>>> Any clue whats the reason for not displaying on the renderer?
>> Except for JOSM, I currently don't know any renderer that displays
>> mountain_pass=yes at all (if there's any, please let us know :-)
>
> As of revision 18423 osmarender (the renderer used by tiles@home) does
> too. It even renders name and ele(vation) if available.

Ah, sounds reeaaallly coooool ;-)

Any idea when this will appear on the main OSM maps?

>> Problem here: JOSM simply displays a bridge like icon, but doesn't care
>> about the direction (north, south, ...).
> Osmarender does the same for single nodes...

To my knowledge, most of the mountain_pass=yes are connected to some (at
  least highway=path) ways.

>> A "correct renderer" should display a mountain pass somehow like a
>> bridge usually is displayed, following the direction of the way.
> ... but aligns the icon along the way if the way is tagged with a track
> or highway tag. This is implemented with a wayMarker rule as mentioned
> by Dodi and uses a symbol very similar to the one mentioned by Ulfl.

Sounds cool. Do you have an example on the map, where it already is
rendered this way?

>> As the mountain_pass is tagged as a node, it's unfortunately not that
>> easy to get that direction, so renderers simply tend to ignore this tag
>> completely :-(
> Once a significant amount of the nodes without a way attached have a tag
> indicating direction I can add that to osmarender as well.

My observation is that almost any mountain_pass=yes node is connected to
some kind of way, so I don't think this is very urgent.

Regards, ULFL


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[Shalabh-3]

Still does not appear on the mail OSM maps. Any clue on when is that likely to happen?

Regards,
Shalabh

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Ulf Lamping <ulf.lamping@...> wrote:

Patrick Kilian schrieb:

Hi all,

Just to bring to the group's notice. I added a few mountain passes a couple of days ago along with the hiking trails and waypoints

When I now check on OSM, while the trails are there along with the waypoints, the passes are missing. However, when I download data from OSM using JOSM, I can see the passes along with the elevations.

Any clue whats the reason for not displaying on the renderer?

Except for JOSM, I currently don't know any renderer that displays mountain_pass=yes at all (if there's any, please let us know :-)

As of revision 18423 osmarender (the renderer used by tiles@home) does
too. It even renders name and ele(vation) if available.

Ah, sounds reeaaallly coooool ;-)

Any idea when this will appear on the main OSM maps?

Problem here: JOSM simply displays a bridge like icon, but doesn't care about the direction (north, south, ...).

Osmarender does the same for single nodes...

To my knowledge, most of the mountain_pass=yes are connected to some (at  least highway=path) ways.

A "correct renderer" should display a mountain pass somehow like a bridge usually is displayed, following the direction of the way.

... but aligns the icon along the way if the way is tagged with a track
or highway tag. This is implemented with a wayMarker rule as mentioned
by Dodi and uses a symbol very similar to the one mentioned by Ulfl.

Sounds cool. Do you have an example on the map, where it already is rendered this way?

As the mountain_pass is tagged as a node, it's unfortunately not that easy to get that direction, so renderers simply tend to ignore this tag completely :-(

Once a significant amount of the nodes without a way attached have a tag
indicating direction I can add that to osmarender as well.

My observation is that almost any mountain_pass=yes node is connected to some kind of way, so I don't think this is very urgent.

Regards, ULFL

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