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Moving Microsoft Office from XP to Wine
I bought a used WindowsXP PC that has Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 installed. I would like to move the software to my Wine environment on my Fedora11 desktop before I wipe the Windows disk and install Linux. It did not come with any distribution media.
I know the wiki ( http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-497f1a295d53dd3444f211df2b13312c7767afa2) says, you have to install them in Wine..., but it also says some applications can be copied if you don't mind tinkering.
I intend to tinker. But I'm hoping someone has done this before and can give me a heads-up of any non-obvious files that will need to be copied, and especially of any registry entries that will need to be transported.
Does anyone have any tips?
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Re: Moving Microsoft Office from XP to Wine
This can't be done for Office there are way too many registry keys and other special dlls it installs. Assuming the license is legal, the best way would probably to retrieve the Office 2003 serial somewhere from the registry or wherever it is stored (search on google how to do this) and then 'somehow' obtain a office2003 CD which is likely legal if your license is really legal.
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Re: Moving Microsoft Office from XP to Wine
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Thunderbird < wineforum-user@...>wrote:
> This can't be done for Office there are way too many registry keys and
> other special dlls it installs. Assuming the license is legal, the best way
> would probably to retrieve the Office 2003 serial somewhere from the
> registry or wherever it is stored (search on google how to do this) and then
> 'somehow' obtain a office2003 CD which is likely legal if your license is
> really legal.
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Why not use the Win version of OpenOffice.org in Wine? Saves a lot of time
and effort. Or, better yet, use the Linux version for your distro. That way
you don't have to reinvent the wheel.
Jim
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KenJackson wrote:
> I know the wiki ( http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-497f1a295d53dd3444f211df2b13312c7767afa2) says, you have to install them in Wine..., but it also says some applications can be copied if you don't mind tinkering.
This is true. Even better, a lot of applications do NOT require anything extra to run. But bigger ones usually require something extra, like special DLLs or registry entries that are installed alongside the application.
'Tinkering' could mean that you just copy over everything, try out what works right away, and do a fresh install on anything that doesn't work.
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 Re: Moving Microsoft Office from XP to Wine
>KenJackson wrote:
>> I know the wiki ( http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head->>497f1a295d53dd3444f211df2b13312c7767afa2) says, you have to install them in
>>Wine..., but it also says some applications can be copied if you don't mind
>> tinkering.
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>This is true. Even better, a lot of applications do NOT require anything extra to run. But bigger ones usually require something extra, like special DLLs or registry entries that are installed alongside the application.
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>'Tinkering' could mean that you just copy over everything, try out what works right away, and do a fresh install on anything that doesn't work.
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Office 2003 and Office 2007 ARE NOT one of the programs that allow 'tinkering'. They have to be installed from installation media to work properly in Wine.
James McKenzie
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Re: Moving Microsoft Office from XP to Wine
I won't say it's impossible, but in the case of Office, it's more like rebuilding an engine than "tinkering." Office not only installs lots of files in lots of different places, it adds a slew of registry entries.
If this is an OEM install, have you checked to see if the install files aren't somewhere on the hard drive, perhaps in a hidden directory or partition? They might not work even if you have them--some OEM installers are designed to only work on the original system--but it's worth a shot.
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Thunderbird wrote:
> This can't be done for Office there are way too many registry keys and other special dlls it installs.
Several of you seem to be in agreement on this point. It's what I feared. I'm about to lose interest.
Thunderbird wrote:
> Assuming the license is legal, ...
I know you're just mentioning it, but I'm always surprised at how many people feel compelled to protect Microsoft. Microsoft's policy seems to be, if there is any doubt at all, you must buy another license. But I have no doubts.
Jim Hall wrote:
> Why not use ... OpenOffice.org ...?
Yeah, yeah, that's the obvious alternative. I have it installed on my Linux host and use it occasionally. The issue is for resumes. If you generate a resume with OpenOffice.org, and a potential employer reads or prints it with MS Word, there is a chance it will look a little different. Different means crappy. Crappy says you don't care enough to make your resume look good.
I hate it that so many people think MS Word is a standard, but that's the way it is.
Anyway, thanks to everyone that weighed in.
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> Yeah, yeah, that's the obvious alternative. I have it installed on my Linux host and use it occasionally. The issue is for resumes. If you generate a resume with OpenOffice.org, and a potential employer reads or prints it with MS Word, there is a chance it will look a little different. Different means crappy. Crappy says you don't care enough to make your resume look good.
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> I hate it that so many people think MS Word is a standard, but that's the way it is.
PDF is a "standard" too, export your OpenOffice.org docs to that. If they don't accept that, explain in advance that the document has been made in a different office suite that might not have exported the file 100% correctly.
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KenJackson wrote:
> The issue is for resumes. If you generate a resume with OpenOffice.org, and a potential employer reads or prints it with MS Word, there is a chance it will look a little different. Different means crappy. Crappy says you don't care enough to make your resume look good.
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It can look different if they print it from Word 2007, too. I know, because I have both versions installed.
> PDF is a "standard" too, export your OpenOffice.org docs to that.
That's what I do, even when I create documents in Word. It's the only way to be sure the formatting will be retained when someone else prints it.
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On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 21:03 -0600, DaVince wrote:
> PDF is a "standard" too, export your OpenOffice.org docs to that. If
> they don't accept that, explain in advance that the document has been
> made in a different office suite that might not have exported the file
> 100% correctly.
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IME a document or spreadsheet written in Open Office 3.0 and exported as
a Word97/2000/XP document looks correct and is readable by MS Office. OO
3 is a lot better at this than OO 2 was.
Same goes for PDF except that bullets are rendered as Greek symbols: I
export resumes as Word97/2000/XP format documents.
Martin
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Re: Moving Microsoft Office from XP to Wine
Still, I'd say the best thing to do would just be what you (and I) do: Use PDF. At least until you have a valid reason to claim that you can use "Open Standards".
Back to the topic, I'm out of ideas other than those suggested here.(Thunderbird's idea seems good).
Cheers,
Jorl17
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, jorl17 < wineforum-user@...> wrote:
> Still, I'd say the best thing to do would just be what you (and I) do: Use
> PDF. At least until you have a valid reason to claim that you can use "Open
> Standards".
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> Back to the topic, I'm out of ideas other than those suggested
> here.(Thunderbird's idea seems good).
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> Cheers,
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> Jorl17
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For the symbols to translate correctly the font you use must be exactly the
same one Win/Word uses. Often, even if the symbols look the same, one or the
other system will not see them as the same unless they actually are the
same. So you will probably need to add the font from Win to Linux.
Jim
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Re: Moving Microsoft Office from XP to Wine
Jim Hall wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, jorl17 < wineforum-user@...> wrote:
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> > Still, I'd say the best thing to do would just be what you (and I) do: Use
> > PDF. At least until you have a valid reason to claim that you can use "Open
> > Standards".
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> > Back to the topic, I'm out of ideas other than those suggested
> > here.(Thunderbird's idea seems good).
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> > Cheers,
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> > Jorl17
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> For the symbols to translate correctly the font you use must be exactly the
> same one Win/Word uses. Often, even if the symbols look the same, one or the
> other system will not see them as the same unless they actually are the
> same. So you will probably need to add the font from Win to Linux.
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> Jim
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Really? I didn't know that, thanks for the info. To be honest, I never noticed it too -- I've carried PDFs made in OO around with fonts that only I have and they worked just great (pixel per pixel I believe) in both my GNU/Linux and my Windows PDF readers.
Cheers,
Jorl17
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> Really? I didn't know that, thanks for the info. To be honest, I never noticed it too -- I've carried PDFs made in OO around with fonts that only I have and they worked just great (pixel per pixel I believe) in both my GNU/Linux and my Windows PDF readers.
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PDF embeds fonts that are not one of the "standard" PDF fonts.
Sticking to the standard PDF fonts will help ensure compatibility (not
all systems will display the glyphs in exactly the same manner, yes I
am talking to you Lexmark) and will keep file sizes down (no need to
embed fonts).
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.comhttp://gibberish.co.il
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Re: Moving Microsoft Office from XP to Wine
I think it's not possible with the office 2003. And Hi everyone!
;-)
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goclarkanderson wrote:
> I think it's not possible with the office 2003. And Hi everyone!
> ;-)
With Office 2003 (and any other app running in Wine), you can print to cups-pdf. I do it all the time.
And like jorl17, I have never had a problem with my PDFs displaying correctly on a variety of systems. PDFs are graphic images; whether a font exists on the system on which they are opened is irrelevant.
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> And like jorl17, I have never had a problem with my PDFs displaying correctly on a variety
> of systems. PDFs are graphic images; whether a font exists on the system on which they
> are opened is irrelevant.
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That is most certainly not true. PDFs are not graphic (vector or raster) images.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.comhttp://gibberish.co.il
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
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> That is most certainly not true. PDFs are not graphic (vector or raster) images.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF>
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I stand corrected. I assumed they were graphics because they can be edited in GIMP/Photoshop.
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Re: Moving Microsoft Office from XP to Wine
dimesio wrote:
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> Dotan Cohen wrote:
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> > That is most certainly not true. PDFs are not graphic (vector or raster) images.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF> >
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> I stand corrected. I assumed they were graphics because they can be edited in GIMP/Photoshop.
Yup, how else would you be able to copy text / convert stuff to/from PDFs?
Still, you made your point about the fonts. :)
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