Moving towards a proposed vote

[Martin Cooper-2]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber <ossfwot@...> wrote:

> Hi Angie,
>
>  Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say?
>>
>
> The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is
> mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an
> interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not
> a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm
> pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion.
>
>  It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who
>> don't see a similarity.  Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very normal
>> word to use in the line of photo galleries.
>>
>
> Well, the options I see are:
>
> A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and...
> A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects
>    on graduation
> A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't
>    object to our usage of the name
> A3. change the name later before graduation
> or
> B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns
>
> If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could
> go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of
> statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and
> graduation might even be delayed not because of the
> name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at
> the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way".
> That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus.
>
> It's not like we have an existing OSS project with
> many users that would have to learn a new name.
> We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary
> name has only been used for three weeks internally.
> (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing
> lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B.
>
>
> Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were
> "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't
> know a catchy translation for the german word
> "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a
> much more common place than an album for keeping
> physical photographies :-)

Shoebox would be a fine name. :-)

--
Martin Cooper

>
> cheers,
>  Roland
>
>
>  Pigalle
>>>
>>>> Phos Librarius
>>>> LibraLux
>>>> PhosBiblioteka
>>>> BiblioPic
>>>> PicAndMix
>>>> PhoGal
>>>> PhoGa
>>>> Foga
>>>> SnapLib
>>>> SnapStore
>>>> PicStore
>>>> SnapShow
>>>> PicShow
>>>> PicLib
>>>>
>>>
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[Angela Cymbalak]

I have to go with something Noel mentioned when we first started
discussing the name.  He said (paraphrase) that it is much easier to
settle on a name before setting up all the resources (maillists,
jira, etc.)  Therefore, I think that we should address the concerns
now before the infrastructure for the project is set up.

I have no problem with 2A but I do fear that Google may not give the
statement.  I have a sneaking suspicion that companies only decide
that a name is "too close" when the new product starts getting big
enough to encroach on "their turf".  It may be easier to just avoid
the question altogether.

There is also option 3, which I think would also be in the Apache
way.  That would be, call a vote on it and see who thinks the name is
too close.  But, that could just drag things out.

All that being said, I like either Snapshot or Shutter.  However,
Shutter is taken[1].  SnapShot is also taken[2].    I did appreciate
the alliterations on general@ with that one, btw.  Neither of these
pieces of software is close to what we are doing so does that matter?

For what it is worth, Shoebox is the name of a software company[3].

Can we do a play on the Louvre?  Can we steal Click from that project?

My list:
Lewva
PixPlace
Blur
PixBlur

I'm liking Lewva and Blur myself.  I do also like SchuhKarton, the
only drawback being the length.

Angie

[1]http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm
[2]http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm
[3]http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html

At 01:54 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber <ossfwot@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Angie,
> >
> >  Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say?
> >>
> >
> > The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is
> > mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an
> > interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not
> > a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm
> > pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion.
> >
> >  It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who
> >> don't see a similarity.  Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very normal
> >> word to use in the line of photo galleries.
> >>
> >
> > Well, the options I see are:
> >
> > A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and...
> > A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects
> >    on graduation
> > A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't
> >    object to our usage of the name
> > A3. change the name later before graduation
> > or
> > B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns
> >
> > If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could
> > go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of
> > statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and
> > graduation might even be delayed not because of the
> > name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at
> > the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way".
> > That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus.
> >
> > It's not like we have an existing OSS project with
> > many users that would have to learn a new name.
> > We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary
> > name has only been used for three weeks internally.
> > (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing
> > lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B.
> >
> >
> > Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were
> > "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't
> > know a catchy translation for the german word
> > "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a
> > much more common place than an album for keeping
> > physical photographies :-)
>
>
>Shoebox would be a fine name. :-)
>
>--
>Martin Cooper
>
>
>
> >
> > cheers,
> >  Roland
> >
> >
> >  Pigalle
> >>>
> >>>> Phos Librarius
> >>>> LibraLux
> >>>> PhosBiblioteka
> >>>> BiblioPic
> >>>> PicAndMix
> >>>> PhoGal
> >>>> PhoGa
> >>>> Foga
> >>>> SnapLib
> >>>> SnapStore
> >>>> PicStore
> >>>> SnapShow
> >>>> PicShow
> >>>> PicLib
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
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[Martin Cooper-2]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Angela Cymbalak <a.cymbalak@...>wrote:

> I have to go with something Noel mentioned when we first started discussing
> the name.  He said (paraphrase) that it is much easier to settle on a name
> before setting up all the resources (maillists, jira, etc.)  Therefore, I
> think that we should address the concerns now before the infrastructure for
> the project is set up.
>
> I have no problem with 2A but I do fear that Google may not give the
> statement.  I have a sneaking suspicion that companies only decide that a
> name is "too close" when the new product starts getting big enough to
> encroach on "their turf".  It may be easier to just avoid the question
> altogether.
>
> There is also option 3, which I think would also be in the Apache way.
>  That would be, call a vote on it and see who thinks the name is too close.
>  But, that could just drag things out.
>
> All that being said, I like either Snapshot or Shutter.  However, Shutter
> is taken[1].  SnapShot is also taken[2].    I did appreciate the
> alliterations on general@ with that one, btw.  Neither of these pieces of
> software is close to what we are doing so does that matter?
>
> For what it is worth, Shoebox is the name of a software company[3].
>
> Can we do a play on the Louvre?  Can we steal Click from that project?
>
> My list:
> Lewva
> PixPlace
> Blur
> PixBlur
>
> I'm liking Lewva and Blur myself.  I do also like SchuhKarton, the only
> drawback being the length.

Lewva sounds too much like "loofah" to me. I like Blur, though.

--
Martin Cooper

>
>
> Angie
>
> [1]
> http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm
> [2]http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm
> [3]http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html
>
>
> At 01:54 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber <ossfwot@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Angie,
>> >
>> >  Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say?
>> >>
>> >
>> > The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is
>> > mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an
>> > interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not
>> > a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm
>> > pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion.
>> >
>> >  It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who
>> >> don't see a similarity.  Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very
>> normal
>> >> word to use in the line of photo galleries.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well, the options I see are:
>> >
>> > A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and...
>> > A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects
>> >    on graduation
>> > A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't
>> >    object to our usage of the name
>> > A3. change the name later before graduation
>> > or
>> > B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns
>> >
>> > If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could
>> > go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of
>> > statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and
>> > graduation might even be delayed not because of the
>> > name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at
>> > the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way".
>> > That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus.
>> >
>> > It's not like we have an existing OSS project with
>> > many users that would have to learn a new name.
>> > We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary
>> > name has only been used for three weeks internally.
>> > (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing
>> > lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B.
>> >
>> >
>> > Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were
>> > "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't
>> > know a catchy translation for the german word
>> > "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a
>> > much more common place than an album for keeping
>> > physical photographies :-)
>>
>>
>> Shoebox would be a fine name. :-)
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> >  Roland
>> >
>> >
>> >  Pigalle
>> >>>
>> >>>> Phos Librarius
>> >>>> LibraLux
>> >>>> PhosBiblioteka
>> >>>> BiblioPic
>> >>>> PicAndMix
>> >>>> PhoGal
>> >>>> PhoGa
>> >>>> Foga
>> >>>> SnapLib
>> >>>> SnapStore
>> >>>> PicStore
>> >>>> SnapShow
>> >>>> PicShow
>> >>>> PicLib
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >
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[Angela Cymbalak]

There was a company named Blur Software but they appear to be going
out of business (www.blursoftware.com).  I think that Apache Blur
would work...other thoughts?

Angie

At 03:07 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Angela Cymbalak
><<mailto:a.cymbalak@...>a.cymbalak@...> wrote:
>I have to go with something Noel mentioned when we first started
>discussing the name.  He said (paraphrase) that it is much easier to
>settle on a name before setting up all the resources (maillists,
>jira, etc.)  Therefore, I think that we should address the concerns
>now before the infrastructure for the project is set up.
>I have no problem with 2A but I do fear that Google may not give the
>statement.  I have a sneaking suspicion that companies only decide
>that a name is "too close" when the new product starts getting big
>enough to encroach on "their turf".  It may be easier to just avoid
>the question altogether.
>There is also option 3, which I think would also be in the Apache
>way.  That would be, call a vote on it and see who thinks the name
>is too close.  But, that could just drag things out.
>All that being said, I like either Snapshot or Shutter.  However,
>Shutter is taken[1].  SnapShot is also taken[2].    I did appreciate
>the alliterations on general@ with that one, btw.  Neither of these
>pieces of software is close to what we are doing so does that matter?
>For what it is worth, Shoebox is the name of a software company[3].
>Can we do a play on the Louvre?  Can we steal Click from that project?
>My list:
>Lewva
>PixPlace
>Blur
>PixBlur
>I'm liking Lewva and Blur myself.  I do also like SchuhKarton, the
>only drawback being the length.
>
>
>Lewva sounds too much like "loofah" to me. I like Blur, though.
>
>--
>Martin Cooper
>
>
>
>Angie
>[1]<http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm>http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm 
>
>[2]<http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm>http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm 
>
>[3]<http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html>http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html
>
>At 01:54 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber
><<mailto:ossfwot@...>ossfwot@...> wrote:
> > Hi Angie,
> >
> >  Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say?
> >>
> >
> > The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is
> > mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an
> > interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not
> > a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm
> > pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion.
> >
> >  It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who
> >> don't see a similarity.  Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very normal
> >> word to use in the line of photo galleries.
> >>
> >
> > Well, the options I see are:
> >
> > A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and...
> > A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects
> >    on graduation
> > A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't
> >    object to our usage of the name
> > A3. change the name later before graduation
> > or
> > B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns
> >
> > If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could
> > go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of
> > statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and
> > graduation might even be delayed not because of the
> > name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at
> > the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way".
> > That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus.
> >
> > It's not like we have an existing OSS project with
> > many users that would have to learn a new name.
> > We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary
> > name has only been used for three weeks internally.
> > (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing
> > lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B.
> >
> >
> > Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were
> > "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't
> > know a catchy translation for the german word
> > "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a
> > much more common place than an album for keeping
> > physical photographies :-)
>
>Shoebox would be a fine name. :-)
>--
>Martin Cooper
>
>
> >
> > cheers,
> >  Roland
> >
> >
> >  Pigalle
> >>>
> >>>> Phos Librarius
> >>>> LibraLux
> >>>> PhosBiblioteka
> >>>> BiblioPic
> >>>> PicAndMix
> >>>> PhoGal
> >>>> PhoGa
> >>>> Foga
> >>>> SnapLib
> >>>> SnapStore
> >>>> PicStore
> >>>> SnapShow
> >>>> PicShow
> >>>> PicLib
> >>>>
> >>>
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[Luciano Resende]

Apache Blur sounds interesting.

As for the Shutter suggestion, that would most likely have the same
naming conflict issue with Shutter Fly.

[1] http://www.shutterfly.com

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Angela Cymbalak <a.cymbalak@...> wrote:

> There was a company named Blur Software but they appear to be going out of
> business (www.blursoftware.com).  I think that Apache Blur would
> work...other thoughts?
>
> Angie
>
> At 03:07 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote:
>
>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Angela Cymbalak
>> <<mailto:a.cymbalak@...>a.cymbalak@...> wrote:
>> I have to go with something Noel mentioned when we first started
>> discussing the name.  He said (paraphrase) that it is much easier to settle
>> on a name before setting up all the resources (maillists, jira, etc.)
>>  Therefore, I think that we should address the concerns now before the
>> infrastructure for the project is set up.
>> I have no problem with 2A but I do fear that Google may not give the
>> statement.  I have a sneaking suspicion that companies only decide that a
>> name is "too close" when the new product starts getting big enough to
>> encroach on "their turf".  It may be easier to just avoid the question
>> altogether.
>> There is also option 3, which I think would also be in the Apache way.
>>  That would be, call a vote on it and see who thinks the name is too close.
>>  But, that could just drag things out.
>> All that being said, I like either Snapshot or Shutter.  However, Shutter
>> is taken[1].  SnapShot is also taken[2].    I did appreciate the
>> alliterations on general@ with that one, btw.  Neither of these pieces of
>> software is close to what we are doing so does that matter?
>> For what it is worth, Shoebox is the name of a software company[3].
>> Can we do a play on the Louvre?  Can we steal Click from that project?
>> My list:
>> Lewva
>> PixPlace
>> Blur
>> PixBlur
>> I'm liking Lewva and Blur myself.  I do also like SchuhKarton, the only
>> drawback being the length.
>>
>>
>> Lewva sounds too much like "loofah" to me. I like Blur, though.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>
>> Angie
>>
>> [1]<http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm>http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/Screenshot/Shutter-Manufacturing-System-software.htm
>>
>> [2]<http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm>http://www.allworldsoft.com/software/10-171-web-page-snapshot.htm
>>
>> [3]<http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html>http://www.download.com/Shoebox-Software/3260-20_4-6283782.html
>>
>> At 01:54 PM 8/6/2008, Martin Cooper wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Roland Weber
>> <<mailto:ossfwot@...>ossfwot@...> wrote:
>> > Hi Angie,
>> >
>> >  Should this go to legal discuss to see what the lawyers say?
>> >>
>> >
>> > The lawyers rarely post on legal-discuss. The list is
>> > mostly populated by regular non-lawyer people with an
>> > interest in the legal minefield, like myself. It's not
>> > a place to discuss (non)similarity of names, and I'm
>> > pretty sure that no lawyer would enter the discussion.
>> >
>> >  It seems there are a few who are unsure about the name but others who
>> >> don't see a similarity.  Plus, as Craig mentioned, Pica is a very
>> >> normal
>> >> word to use in the line of photo galleries.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well, the options I see are:
>> >
>> > A. enter incubation as PicaGalley and...
>> > A1. try to keep the name and hope that nobody objects
>> >    on graduation
>> > A2. seek a statement from Google that they don't
>> >    object to our usage of the name
>> > A3. change the name later before graduation
>> > or
>> > B. settle on a new name that doesn't raise any concerns
>> >
>> > If you're _really_ attached to PicaGalley, you could
>> > go for A2. But I doubt that you'll get that kind of
>> > statement from Google. A1 is a poor strategy, and
>> > graduation might even be delayed not because of the
>> > name, but because we didn't address the concerns, at
>> > the time when they were raised, in "The Apache Way".
>> > That is by seeking the broadest possible consensus.
>> >
>> > It's not like we have an existing OSS project with
>> > many users that would have to learn a new name.
>> > We're starting from scratch, and the preliminary
>> > name has only been used for three weeks internally.
>> > (as "internal" as discussions on public mailing
>> > lists can be :-) So my recommendation clearly is B.
>> >
>> >
>> > Additional suggestions on general@ by Martijn were
>> > "Snapshot" and "Shutter". Unfortunately, I don't
>> > know a catchy translation for the german word
>> > "Schuhkarton" (shoe box), which in reality is a
>> > much more common place than an album for keeping
>> > physical photographies :-)
>>
>> Shoebox would be a fine name. :-)
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> >  Roland
>> >
>> >
>> >  Pigalle
>> >>>
>> >>>> Phos Librarius
>> >>>> LibraLux
>> >>>> PhosBiblioteka
>> >>>> BiblioPic
>> >>>> PicAndMix
>> >>>> PhoGal
>> >>>> PhoGa
>> >>>> Foga
>> >>>> SnapLib
>> >>>> SnapStore
>> >>>> PicStore
>> >>>> SnapShow
>> >>>> PicShow
>> >>>> PicLib
>> >>>>
>> >>>
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[Roland Weber]

Angela Cymbalak wrote:
> There was a company named Blur Software but they appear to be going out
> of business (www.blursoftware.com).  I think that Apache Blur would
> work...other thoughts?

I would associate "Blur" rather with a painting program.
To get an association with "multiple pictures", I thought
about "Collage", but searching for the combination with
software brings up plenty of photo related hits.

My most recent idea, Pinacotheca, is not so original
either... though there's not even a description
of what the project is supposed to offer:
http://developer.berlios.de/projects/pinacotheca/
The project was registered 2007-May-14 and has shown
exactly no activity in over a year. No files, no posts
in the forum, not even a project description. So we
could claim the name as effectively unused. It wouldn't
hurt to try and contact the two people registered as
developers there if you like the name.

cheers,
   Roland



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[Noel J. Bergman]

> I would associate "Blur" rather with a painting program.

Nor would I call a gallery/archive/storage project "blur".

        --- Noel


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[Roland Weber]

Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> I would associate "Blur" rather with a painting program.
>
> Nor would I call a gallery/archive/storage project "blur".

Good point :-) Rather,...

Reminiscence (but http://reminiscence.en.softonic.com/mac)
ReminiScene  (looks like poor spelling rather than a pun)
MemoPics
Imaginary    (but http://www.imagescape.com/library/software/)
Imagery
Photo Barn   (already in use http://www.photobarn.com.au/)
Picture Barn (still too close to Photo Barn)
Image Barn
Image Stable (searching for "image stable software" sucks)
PhotoGarten  (photogarten.de is not about software)
...[many more already in use]


I give up. Angie, if you want to stick with PicaGalley,
let's just go with that and see how far we get.

cheers,
   Roland




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[Angela Cymbalak]

It isn't just me, its everyone!   It isn't *my* project.  I am good
with sticking with PicaGalley and for good measure I can send an
email to Google asking their thoughts.  I just have to find the right
people to talk to there.

I agree that several people have raised concerns over the name;
however, just ask many people have mentioned that they don't see the
similarity.  As well, even more people have not spoken up over the
name concern at all.  As well, almost every good alternative we have
come up with has had a conflict.  We have made a good faith effort
but have found no reasonable alternative.  If those who have concerns
would like to help find a new name we can reopen the discussion, but
for now I would say we are in the clear.

Angie

At 01:03 PM 8/11/2008, Roland Weber wrote:

>Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>>I would associate "Blur" rather with a painting program.
>>Nor would I call a gallery/archive/storage project "blur".
>
>Good point :-) Rather,...
>
>Reminiscence (but http://reminiscence.en.softonic.com/mac)
>ReminiScene  (looks like poor spelling rather than a pun)
>MemoPics
>Imaginary    (but http://www.imagescape.com/library/software/)
>Imagery
>Photo Barn   (already in use http://www.photobarn.com.au/)
>Picture Barn (still too close to Photo Barn)
>Image Barn
>Image Stable (searching for "image stable software" sucks)
>PhotoGarten  (photogarten.de is not about software)
>...[many more already in use]
>
>
>I give up. Angie, if you want to stick with PicaGalley,
>let's just go with that and see how far we get.
>
>cheers,
>   Roland
>
>
>
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[Roland Weber]

Angela Cymbalak wrote:
> It isn't just me, its everyone!   It isn't *my* project.

Fair enough. There's you and Luciano on the committers list.
Noel also stated his preference. I'm making suggestions,
but I won't make a decision on the name myself.

> I am good with
> sticking with PicaGalley and for good measure I can send an email to
> Google asking their thoughts.  I just have to find the right people to
> talk to there.

I doubt there are the right people for this kind of question.
A trademark lawyer might tell you that you are infringing,
or that (s)he believes you are infringing, or that you might
be infringing, but don't expect a response that you're not
infringing. Unless it's obvious, but then why would you ask?

> We have made a good faith effort but have found no
> reasonable alternative.  If those who have concerns would like to help
> find a new name we can reopen the discussion, but for now I would say we
> are in the clear.

OK. I'll give it two or three more days, maybe Luciano
wants to chime in once more. Or somebody else has
another idea. If not, I'll tally the vote later this week.

cheers,
   Roland

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[Noel J. Bergman]

PicaGalley or ...

> MemoPics
> Imagery
> Image Barn
> Image Stable (searching for "image stable software" sucks)
> PhotoGarten  (photogarten.de is not about software)

Photo Corral, but that's also taken.

PhotoZon

PhotArk -- I kinda like this one.  A bit of a play on archive / Ark.

I also liked ArkLive, but someone may have that -- not sure.

But I'm also satisfied to stick with PicaGalley, if that's what folks want.
I just don't believe that there is a collision with Picassa.

        --- Noel



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[Luciano Resende]

I can't really comment on the infringing/not infringing case for
PicaGalley, but, as Noel said, I would also be OK if we continue with
PicaGalley if there is somewhat consensus on it.

As for new names, oh man, I have really thought, but couldn't really
get something new, that catch the attention, and stick to your mind...
and it's not take yet :)

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Noel J. Bergman <noel@...> wrote:

> PicaGalley or ...
>
>> MemoPics
>> Imagery
>> Image Barn
>> Image Stable (searching for "image stable software" sucks)
>> PhotoGarten  (photogarten.de is not about software)
>
> Photo Corral, but that's also taken.
>
> PhotoZon
>
> PhotArk -- I kinda like this one.  A bit of a play on archive / Ark.
>
> I also liked ArkLive, but someone may have that -- not sure.
>
> But I'm also satisfied to stick with PicaGalley, if that's what folks want.
> I just don't believe that there is a collision with Picassa.
>
>        --- Noel
>
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Luciano Resende
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[Angela Cymbalak]

Coming up with untaken names is insane these days.  I am starting to
realize why the projects all get the names that they get.

I am liking PhotArk the more I consider it.

A Google search turns up three references, two of them just being
archives of photos.  None of the references have anything to do with software.

Any dissenters?

Angie

At 01:36 AM 8/12/2008, Luciano Resende wrote:

>I can't really comment on the infringing/not infringing case for
>PicaGalley, but, as Noel said, I would also be OK if we continue with
>PicaGalley if there is somewhat consensus on it.
>
>As for new names, oh man, I have really thought, but couldn't really
>get something new, that catch the attention, and stick to your mind...
>and it's not take yet :)
>
>On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Noel J. Bergman <noel@...> wrote:
> > PicaGalley or ...
> >
> >> MemoPics
> >> Imagery
> >> Image Barn
> >> Image Stable (searching for "image stable software" sucks)
> >> PhotoGarten  (photogarten.de is not about software)
> >
> > Photo Corral, but that's also taken.
> >
> > PhotoZon
> >
> > PhotArk -- I kinda like this one.  A bit of a play on archive / Ark.
> >
> > I also liked ArkLive, but someone may have that -- not sure.
> >
> > But I'm also satisfied to stick with PicaGalley, if that's what folks want.
> > I just don't believe that there is a collision with Picassa.
> >
> >        --- Noel
> >
> >
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[Tim Williams]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Angela Cymbalak <a.cymbalak@...> wrote:
> Coming up with untaken names is insane these days.  I am starting to realize
> why the projects all get the names that they get.
>
> I am liking PhotArk the more I consider it.
>
> A Google search turns up three references, two of them just being archives
> of photos.  None of the references have anything to do with software.
>
> Any dissenters?

Not really, just another thought.  I'm not sure why there's a push for
the name to imply what the software does - some of the most successful
[ASF] software doesn't (e.g. Tomcat, Cocoon).

Anyway, I didn't see a take on a photographer's portfolio suggested... so...

- folio(s)
- pholio(s)

--tim

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[Martin Cooper-2]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Noel J. Bergman <noel@...> wrote:

> PicaGalley or ...
>
> > MemoPics
> > Imagery
> > Image Barn
> > Image Stable (searching for "image stable software" sucks)
> > PhotoGarten  (photogarten.de is not about software)
>
> Photo Corral, but that's also taken.
>
> PhotoZon
>
> PhotArk -- I kinda like this one.  A bit of a play on archive / Ark.
>
> I also liked ArkLive, but someone may have that -- not sure.
>
> But I'm also satisfied to stick with PicaGalley, if that's what folks want.
> I just don't believe that there is a collision with Picassa.

I agree - I just don't see the collision. And the way things are going, I'm
beginning to despair that we'll come up with one name that we can settle on
versus half a dozen names each but none we can agree upon. ;-p

--
Martin Cooper

>
>        --- Noel
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