Multiple folders for Trash, Junk, Sent, Drafts using IMAP

[Remi G.]

Hey guys,

I was looking for a place to get some help about Evolution but I did not
find any link on the gnome page (http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/),
and I didn't get any answer on the forums I usually use... So I'm trying
to explain my problem here!


* My configuration :
I've set up Evolution 2.28.1 using IMAP, my email provider is Free
(myaddress@...), and the webmail of my provider uses Zimbra. I have
not used Evolution for years and this is the first time I'm using
IMAP...


* My issue :
I've multiple folders for Trash, Junk, Sent and Drafts (the duplicates
of the last two are under "On this computer").


* What I want :
 - I want only one folder for each of the previous listed.
Indeed, with only two mail accounts configured in Evolution, I can't
even see all my folders (okay not so important!)
 - I want to be able to access all my emails using my webmail.
For now, If I delete an email using evolution, this email doesn't appear
anymore on my webmail in any folders, so I lose the advantage of IMAP
over POP?


* What I think I've understood :
The duplicates I mentioned before are virtual folders so they don't
really exist. If I delete (or mark as junk) an email, this email is
simply marked but not removed (not move to another folder)? But why
don't they appear online once they are marked? If an email is marked as
Junk on Evolution, should it be the same on the webmail client?


* What I've done :
I tried to create some filters to automatically move my emails from:
 - the virtual folder "Junk" of "myaddress@..." to "Junk" (online
folder? with a not so pretty icon) of "myaddress@..."
 - vfolder "Sent" of "On My Computer" to "Sent" of "myaddress@..."
 - vfolder "Drafts" of "On My Computer" to "Drafts" of
"myaddress@..."
and I didn't find the way to do the same for Trash :
 - vfolder "Trash" of "myaddress@..." to "Trash" of
"myaddress@..."


Unfortunately, the workaround doesn't work for any of these cases :-(
For instance, the filter for "Sent" is a filter for "Outgoing" such that
the following condition must be met : "Source Account is
myaddress@..."


Well, I hope you have understood my issue. I would love to understand
why Evolution adopt this behaviour and not what I expect to be right
(again I have never used IMAP before)?
Thank you in advance for you answers!

Rémi G.

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[Xavier Bestel]

Hi,

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 16:46 +0100, Rémi G. wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I was looking for a place to get some help about Evolution but I did not
> find any link on the gnome page (http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/),
> and I didn't get any answer on the forums I usually use... So I'm trying
> to explain my problem here!
>
>
> * My configuration :
> I've set up Evolution 2.28.1 using IMAP, my email provider is Free
> (myaddress@...), and the webmail of my provider uses Zimbra. I have
> not used Evolution for years and this is the first time I'm using
> IMAP...
>
>
> * My issue :
> I've multiple folders for Trash, Junk, Sent and Drafts (the duplicates
> of the last two are under "On this computer").
>
>
> * What I want :
>  - I want only one folder for each of the previous listed.
> Indeed, with only two mail accounts configured in Evolution, I can't
> even see all my folders (okay not so important!)
>  - I want to be able to access all my emails using my webmail.
> For now, If I delete an email using evolution, this email doesn't appear
> anymore on my webmail in any folders, so I lose the advantage of IMAP
> over POP?
>
>
> * What I think I've understood :
> The duplicates I mentioned before are virtual folders so they don't
> really exist. If I delete (or mark as junk) an email, this email is
> simply marked but not removed (not move to another folder)? But why
> don't they appear online once they are marked? If an email is marked as
> Junk on Evolution, should it be the same on the webmail client?
>
>
> * What I've done :
> I tried to create some filters to automatically move my emails from:
>  - the virtual folder "Junk" of "myaddress@..." to "Junk" (online
> folder? with a not so pretty icon) of "myaddress@..."
>  - vfolder "Sent" of "On My Computer" to "Sent" of "myaddress@..."
>  - vfolder "Drafts" of "On My Computer" to "Drafts" of
> "myaddress@..."
> and I didn't find the way to do the same for Trash :
>  - vfolder "Trash" of "myaddress@..." to "Trash" of
> "myaddress@..."
>
>
> Unfortunately, the workaround doesn't work for any of these cases :-(
> For instance, the filter for "Sent" is a filter for "Outgoing" such that
> the following condition must be met : "Source Account is
> myaddress@..."
>
>
> Well, I hope you have understood my issue. I would love to understand
> why Evolution adopt this behaviour and not what I expect to be right
> (again I have never used IMAP before)?
> Thank you in advance for you answers!

>From what I know:
- there are 2 ways of deleting emails with IMAP:
        - some MUA use the IMAP /Deleted flag (like Evolution Does)
        - some MUA move them in a real Trash folder (Zimbra I guess)

That's configurable in some webmail MUA (roundcube allows both), so
maybe you can configure Zimbra to do it the Evolution way.


- the Sent folder is a true folder in both cases, only Evolution
defaults to put it locally, not on the IMAP server. You can configure it
in your account settings, choose the remote IMAP folder for Sent
- ditto for Draft

- Junk is a special one, but if I were you I'd disable the spam plugins
in Evolution (there are 2 of them, bogofilter and spamassassin), and
only rely on Free.fr's spam filtering, which is already quite good.

HTH,
        Xav



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[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 16:46 +0100, Rémi G. wrote:

> * What I've done :
> I tried to create some filters to automatically move my emails from:
>  - the virtual folder "Junk" of "myaddress@..." to "Junk" (online
> folder? with a not so pretty icon) of "myaddress@..."
>  - vfolder "Sent" of "On My Computer" to "Sent" of "myaddress@..."
>  - vfolder "Drafts" of "On My Computer" to "Drafts" of
> "myaddress@..."
> and I didn't find the way to do the same for Trash :
>  - vfolder "Trash" of "myaddress@..." to "Trash" of
> "myaddress@..."

Without going into every detail of your message, here are some pointers
that might help:

      * Sent and Drafts are real folders so filters for them are
        unnecessary. They can be anywhere you like. Just change the
        values under Preferences-><account>->Defaults.
      * Moving stuff from vfolders to real folders means copying them,
        so they now take up twice the space they used to. You can only
        physically remove a message by expunging the folder it's in
        (this is an IMAP limitation).
      * Marking messages as Trash is standard IMAP and should be
        recognized by your webmail client, even if its default method is
        "copy to Trash, mark as Deleted and expunge the folder". Perhaps
        it doesn't show marked messages by default and you need to
        change an option.
      * Marking messages as Junk is much less standardized. I think Evo
        uses labels for this, but I'm not sure. In any case, it's likely
        to be different from what your webmail does.

poc

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