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[Paul Lemmons]

"In Nature anything that stand still gets eaten"

I am afraid that if Quanta does not start at least walking it will get
eaten by Kdevelop+Perl -Plug-in, Eclipse+PDT or some other more active
and livelier projects and lose what user base it has left. I love Quanta
but I am not willing to "stand still" in KDE3 for it. Today, with
sadness I installed Eclipse.  I don't like it as well but it does work
and it is moving forward.

I really appreciate all that Eric , Andras and other have done. I
recognize their personal sacrifice of money, time, effort and energy. I
have used Quanta for many years and have financially supported the
development. It now appears to have but a single developer (Eric) and
his attention is elsewhere(kommander)...

... I can hear the brush rustling... it sounds hungry... now would be a
good time to take some action...


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[John-674]

On Sunday 01 November 2009 01:16:00 Paul Lemmons wrote:

> "In Nature anything that stand still gets eaten"
>
> I am afraid that if Quanta does not start at least walking it will get
> eaten by Kdevelop+Perl -Plug-in, Eclipse+PDT or some other more active
> and livelier projects and lose what user base it has left. I love Quanta
> but I am not willing to "stand still" in KDE3 for it. Today, with
> sadness I installed Eclipse.  I don't like it as well but it does work
> and it is moving forward.
>
> I really appreciate all that Eric , Andras and other have done. I
> recognize their personal sacrifice of money, time, effort and energy. I
> have used Quanta for many years and have financially supported the
> development. It now appears to have but a single developer (Eric) and
> his attention is elsewhere(kommander)...
>
> ... I can hear the brush rustling... it sounds hungry... now would be a
> good time to take some action...

Been using using Quanta on Kubuntu with KDE4 for over a month now, no problems
yet. In fact to date it seems to have been more stable than before and I will
definitely be sticking with it.

KDE4 was a bit of a shock, but have got use to it now and am probably finding
myself more productive. It does need a system with a bit more grunt.

Long live Quanta!

John

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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 02:16, Paul Lemmons <paul@...> wrote:

> "In Nature anything that stand still gets eaten"
>
> I am afraid that if Quanta does not start at least walking it will get eaten
> by Kdevelop+Perl -Plug-in, Eclipse+PDT or some other more active and
> livelier projects and lose what user base it has left. I love Quanta but I
> am not willing to "stand still" in KDE3 for it. Today, with sadness I
> installed Eclipse.  I don't like it as well but it does work and it is
> moving forward.
>
> I really appreciate all that Eric , Andras and other have done. I recognize
> their personal sacrifice of money, time, effort and energy. I have used
> Quanta for many years and have financially supported the development. It now
> appears to have but a single developer (Eric) and his attention is
> elsewhere(kommander)...
>
> ... I can hear the brush rustling... it sounds hungry... now would be a good
> time to take some action...

Yes - Quanta3 is dead and will never stand up again.
But - long live Quanta4 - a rewrite based on kdevplatform.
Currently it's better to use kdevelop + php-plugin (a beta release
will follow the next days) as Quanta4 is not ready.
Support for other web languages is not there - we need help for that...

Niko
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[Marbux]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:02 AM, John <john@...> wrote:

> Been using using Quanta on Kubuntu with KDE4 for
> over a month now, no problems

Do you use the HTML Tidy editing Window? It's mission-critical for my
software documentation work but when I tested Kubuntu 9.04 (KDE 4.3),
the line editing window for lines that have Tidy errors and warnings
is so tiny vertically that nothing can be read.  For me, that's a
show-stopper for KDE 4 (unfortunately not the only one).

Best regards,

Paul

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[Billie Erin Walsh]

John wrote:

> On Sunday 01 November 2009 01:16:00 Paul Lemmons wrote:
>  
>> "In Nature anything that stand still gets eaten"
>>
>> I am afraid that if Quanta does not start at least walking it will get
>> eaten by Kdevelop+Perl -Plug-in, Eclipse+PDT or some other more active
>> and livelier projects and lose what user base it has left. I love Quanta
>> but I am not willing to "stand still" in KDE3 for it. Today, with
>> sadness I installed Eclipse.  I don't like it as well but it does work
>> and it is moving forward.
>>
>> I really appreciate all that Eric , Andras and other have done. I
>> recognize their personal sacrifice of money, time, effort and energy. I
>> have used Quanta for many years and have financially supported the
>> development. It now appears to have but a single developer (Eric) and
>> his attention is elsewhere(kommander)...
>>
>> ... I can hear the brush rustling... it sounds hungry... now would be a
>> good time to take some action...
>>    
>
>
>
> Been using using Quanta on Kubuntu with KDE4 for over a month now, no problems
> yet. In fact to date it seems to have been more stable than before and I will
> definitely be sticking with it.
>
> KDE4 was a bit of a shock, but have got use to it now and am probably finding
> myself more productive. It does need a system with a bit more grunt.
>
> Long live Quanta!
>
> John

Kubuntu 9.10/KDE 4.3.2/Quanta 3.5.

Since 4.x Quanta doesn't use the KDE4.x plugins very well. Cervisia
stopped working pretty much right off the bat. Now it says Kimagemap
won't work. [ haven't tried it to be sure ] Last night spell check
wouldn't work. And something else I'm to lazy to look up. Other than
those things it works great. If you don't need any of those things you
have no problems.

It seems that the newer versions of those apps/plugins won't work with
the older version of Quanta. I'm not sure if it's a matter of can't find
them [ not in the place they were put in 3.x ], or just an
incompatibility issue. It seems that a while back on some list someone
said to install the 3.x versions of the missing plugins and all would
work well. Don't know, never tried it. Someone recently suggested
symlinks. Even after reading the article on symlinks I have no clue and
"man" pages are generally a joke for a non-geek like me. I need detailed
instructions in simple, preferably single syllable, words.*<]:oD

I've been writing my personal web pages since DOS 4 days. In those days
we didn't have such fancy editors. When I make a page in Quanta I still
use the text screen [ I just like the convenience of all those nice
shiny buttons ]. I can't figure out how to make one in graphical modes.
Of all the methods I've used over the years Quanta is probably the best
one I've ever found [ I haven't ever spent the huge sums necessary to
buy some of the higher end editors ]. Bottom line, I love Quanta and
_REALLY_ look forward to it getting "fixed".

Having said that, here's my wish/bitch list:

Maybe not so helpful. When I start typing a tag it pops open a box of
options. I usually have in my head what I want. Could do without that.
Haven't found where to turn that off. I like the right-click option to
edit current tag. Thats real handy.

I love the tag autocompletion. Just sometimes it's a pain. If I have
some text I want the tag to enclose for instance. And on that subject,
highlighting the text and clicking on a tag doesn't enclose the
highlighted text. KompoZer and most other do it, but not Quanta.

Headers. When I took over that genealogical web site none of the pages
had doctype and a few other things. KompoZer and most other editors will
automatically add whatever you select as the default. Quanta will
_once_in_ a _while_ but not very often. It would be nice if Quanta also
put that type information in on new pages also.

Custom tags. If you have a lot of "special" tags/scripts that you use
all the time a better system for making buttons for those would be good.
My custom tool bar won't stick and the buttons won't work 99.9% percent
of the time. I gave up trying to fix it. More trouble than typing them in.

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Treat all stressful situations like a dog does.
If you can't eat it or play with it,
just pee on it and walk away

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[Billie Erin Walsh]

Niko Sams wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 02:16, Paul Lemmons <paul@...> wrote:
>  
>> "In Nature anything that stand still gets eaten"
>>
>> I am afraid that if Quanta does not start at least walking it will get eaten
>> by Kdevelop+Perl -Plug-in, Eclipse+PDT or some other more active and
>> livelier projects and lose what user base it has left. I love Quanta but I
>> am not willing to "stand still" in KDE3 for it. Today, with sadness I
>> installed Eclipse.  I don't like it as well but it does work and it is
>> moving forward.
>>
>> I really appreciate all that Eric , Andras and other have done. I recognize
>> their personal sacrifice of money, time, effort and energy. I have used
>> Quanta for many years and have financially supported the development. It now
>> appears to have but a single developer (Eric) and his attention is
>> elsewhere(kommander)...
>>
>> ... I can hear the brush rustling... it sounds hungry... now would be a good
>> time to take some action...
>>    
>
> Yes - Quanta3 is dead and will never stand up again.
> But - long live Quanta4 - a rewrite based on kdevplatform.
> Currently it's better to use kdevelop + php-plugin (a beta release
> will follow the next days) as Quanta4 is not ready.
> Support for other web languages is not there - we need help for that...
>
> Niko

I looked at that Kdevelope a while back. _WAY_ over complicated to do
web pages. From what I could see, _IF_ your an application
developer/programmer it might be great. But for web pages such as I
build it's like using a howitzer to go rabbit hunting.

<example>
http://www.billie0w.us
http://www.okgenweb.org/~oklogan/index.html
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~billie0w/cslsa/index.html
</example>

If your building commercial sites for a living it might be ok.

--
Treat all stressful situations like a dog does.
If you can't eat it or play with it,
just pee on it and walk away

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[John-674]

On Sunday 01 November 2009 13:50:22 marbux wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:02 AM, John <john@...> wrote:
> > Been using using Quanta on Kubuntu with KDE4 for
> > over a month now, no problems
>
> Do you use the HTML Tidy editing Window? It's mission-critical for my
> software documentation work but when I tested Kubuntu 9.04 (KDE 4.3),
> the line editing window for lines that have Tidy errors and warnings
> is so tiny vertically that nothing can be read.  For me, that's a
> show-stopper for KDE 4 (unfortunately not the only one).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul

Hi Paul,

HTML Tidy works fine as far as I can see. I'm using the IDEALI mode. Here the
Tidy errors and warnings are shown in the message window area below the code
window. Clicking on the error in the message window area puts the cursor on
the correct line in the code window. Is this what you mean?

Regards

John
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[Marbux]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:32 PM, John <john@...> wrote:

> HTML Tidy works fine as far as I can see. I'm using the IDEALI mode. Here the
> Tidy errors and warnings are shown in the message window area below the code
> window. Clicking on the error in the message window area puts the cursor on
> the correct line in the code window. Is this what you mean?

Not sure but I don't think so. My barrier to understanding is lack of
confidence in your meanings for IDEALI mode and the code window. (I'm
new to this list, the Help file is a bit thin, and I've mostly figured
out how to use Quanta without consulting others.)

The only conceivably relevant settings I (knowingly) change from a
default install, IIRC, are: [i] line numbering activated; [ii] HTML
4.01 Strict DTD, and [iii] creation of an HTML Tidy config file with
some switches for variable output I can comment out until needed.

What I think of as the "Tidy editing pane" appears after running Tidy
between the file tabs and the tabbed toolbar for wrapping HTML tags
around text selections. For me on Kubuntu Hardy with KDE 3.5, that
editing pane is just tall enough to view a single line (and scroll it
horizontally if need be).

Clicking on a line in the Tidy report brings up that the corresponding
marked up line in the Tidy editing pane. From there I can check it and
edit the line if needed in the Tidy editing pane. Then, click on the
next line in the report and loop.

However on Kubuntu 9.04 i386 (KDE 4.3), the Tidy editing pane is so
short that not even portions of characters can be seen. Tampering with
screen resolutions didn't seem to help, although I was running on
Virtual Box so don't know what the result of the tampering would be if
I were running Kubuntu on bare metal.

From your description, I get the suspicion that where you are working
is near the bottom of the screen rather than toward the top.

Is this enough for you to distinguish what we might be doing differently?

I wouldn't recommend putting too much time into figuring this out.
I've already trashed the Kubuntu 9.04 VM and would rather not create a
new one. But I could be persuaded if it might aid in spotting a bug.
(Have to wait 48 hours or so though; I'm getting close to a release
deadline.)

Best regards,

Paul


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