NetBSD 3.1 sysinst ifconfig error on SE/30

[Nuno Teixeira]

Hello to all,

I have used NetBSD 1.6 and 2.0 series with success on my 2 SE/30's  
using traditional method installation. Sysinst is broke because it  
doesn't mounts partitions correctly.

For what I've read at NetBSD site, 3.1 and 3.0.2: "sysinst now  
newfs'es and mounts the target filesystem(s)." and I think it does  
correctly. But I have a biger problem in sysinst method on both 3.1  
and 3.0.2 because ifconfig gives the error: "SIOCSIFMEDIA: Invalid  
argument" on command: "/sbin/ifconfig ae0 media autoselect"

I will install 1.6.2 again because it is very stable on my SE/30's.

Thanks,


Nuno Teixeira

[Kazuyuki Inanaga]

On 2006/11/13, at 1:32, Nuno Teixeira wrote:

> Hello to all,
>
> I have used NetBSD 1.6 and 2.0 series with success on my 2 SE/30's  
> using traditional method installation. Sysinst is broke because it  
> doesn't mounts partitions correctly.
>
> For what I've read at NetBSD site, 3.1 and 3.0.2: "sysinst now  
> newfs'es and mounts the target filesystem(s)." and I think it does  
> correctly. But I have a biger problem in sysinst method on both 3.1  
> and 3.0.2 because ifconfig gives the error: "SIOCSIFMEDIA: Invalid  
> argument" on command: "/sbin/ifconfig ae0 media autoselect"
>
> I will install 1.6.2 again because it is very stable on my SE/30's.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Nuno Teixeira
>
>
>
>

Hi,

input "manual" insted of autoselect

 > Network media type [autoselect]: manual

3.1 is also stable. :)

Thanks,
Kazu Inanaga

[Nuno Teixeira]

Hello,

Ok, your help solve network card configuration but panics with ftp  
install when trying to get distribution.

I think I've read something  about ftp installation isn't working  
properly. Do you know anything about it?

Thanks,

        Nuno


On Nov 12, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:

>
> On 2006/11/13, at 1:32, Nuno Teixeira wrote:
>
>
>> Hello to all,
>>
>> I have used NetBSD 1.6 and 2.0 series with success on my 2 SE/30's  
>> using traditional method installation. Sysinst is broke because it  
>> doesn't mounts partitions correctly.
>>
>> For what I've read at NetBSD site, 3.1 and 3.0.2: "sysinst now  
>> newfs'es and mounts the target filesystem(s)." and I think it does  
>> correctly. But I have a biger problem in sysinst method on both  
>> 3.1 and 3.0.2 because ifconfig gives the error: "SIOCSIFMEDIA:  
>> Invalid argument" on command: "/sbin/ifconfig ae0 media autoselect"
>>
>> I will install 1.6.2 again because it is very stable on my SE/30's.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Nuno Teixeira
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> input "manual" insted of autoselect
>
> > Network media type [autoselect]: manual
>
> 3.1 is also stable. :)
>
> Thanks,
> Kazu Inanaga
>
>

Nuno Teixeira

[Kazuyuki Inanaga]

On 2006/11/13, at 7:01, Nuno Teixeira wrote:
> Ok, your help solve network card configuration

Good :)


> but panics with ftp install when trying to get distribution.
> I think I've read something  about ftp installation isn't working  
> properly. Do you know anything about it?

.... It seems that you are using inst kernel before 3.1.
As you know, Hauke Fath has fixed that problem. (Many thanks to Hauke.)
Inst kernel before Oct 23 2006 causes that panic.

Make sure you are using 'netbsd-INSTALL.gz' in 3.1 distribution.


I have two SE/30. One has 040 accelerator. 3.1 runs on them.

On 2006/11/12, at 9:52, Hauke Fath wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, my two SE/30 Macs have both gone simasi... I've got new
> capacitors here, but haven't found the time yet to change them.
>

Good info for SE/30 users about "simasi... SE/30":
http://www.momo-chan.com/

I've changed C6(1uF 50v) and C7(47uF 16v) capacitors on three SE/30  
mobos.
It makes great.:)

Thanks,
Kazu Inanaga

[Hauke Fath]

At 3:40 Uhr +0100 13.11.2006, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:
>> but panics with ftp install when trying to get distribution.
>> I think I've read something  about ftp installation isn't working
>> properly. Do you know anything about it?
>
>.... It seems that you are using inst kernel before 3.1.
>As you know, Hauke Fath has fixed that problem. (Many thanks to Hauke.)

I did? I fixed the sysinst Installer, but until Nuno's mail I didn't even
know there was an issue with installing over ftp. Which still surprises me
a bit, since I did install over NFS when I tested the installer.

>Inst kernel before Oct 23 2006 causes that panic.

Is there a PR, or a stack trace online?

        hauke

--
"It's never straight up and down"     (DEVO)

[Hauke Fath]

At 3:40 Uhr +0100 13.11.2006, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:
>> Unfortunately, my two SE/30 Macs have both gone simasi... I've got new
>> capacitors here, but haven't found the time yet to change them.
>>
>
>Good info for SE/30 users about "simasi... SE/30":
>http://www.momo-chan.com/
>
>I've changed C6(1uF 50v) and C7(47uF 16v) capacitors on three SE/30
>mobos.

I sat down yesterday afternoon, and exchanged all the electrolyte
capacitors on the motherboards. I see two Happy Macs now.  :)

        hauke

--
"It's never straight up and down"     (DEVO)

[Nuno Teixeira]

Hello,

I will try to configure my mac mini (osx) as a nfs server to try an  
nfs install.

( http://rootprompt.org/article.php3?article=9286 )

I have no BSD OS right know installed in my machines right now.

Can anyone test an ftp installation to see the problem?

Thanks Hauke and all who are helping me,

        Nuno


On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:

>
> On 2006/11/13, at 7:01, Nuno Teixeira wrote:
>> Ok, your help solve network card configuration
>
> Good :)
>
>
>> but panics with ftp install when trying to get distribution.
>> I think I've read something  about ftp installation isn't working  
>> properly. Do you know anything about it?
>
> .... It seems that you are using inst kernel before 3.1.
> As you know, Hauke Fath has fixed that problem. (Many thanks to  
> Hauke.)
> Inst kernel before Oct 23 2006 causes that panic.
>
> Make sure you are using 'netbsd-INSTALL.gz' in 3.1 distribution.
>
>
> I have two SE/30. One has 040 accelerator. 3.1 runs on them.
>
> On 2006/11/12, at 9:52, Hauke Fath wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, my two SE/30 Macs have both gone simasi... I've got  
>> new
>> capacitors here, but haven't found the time yet to change them.
>>
>
> Good info for SE/30 users about "simasi... SE/30":
> http://www.momo-chan.com/
>
> I've changed C6(1uF 50v) and C7(47uF 16v) capacitors on three SE/30  
> mobos.
> It makes great.:)
>
> Thanks,
> Kazu Inanaga
>

Nuno Teixeira

[Kazuyuki Inanaga]

On 2006/11/14, at 3:43, Hauke Fath wrote:

> At 3:40 Uhr +0100 13.11.2006, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:
>>> but panics with ftp install when trying to get distribution.
>>> I think I've read something  about ftp installation isn't working
>>> properly. Do you know anything about it?
>>
>> .... It seems that you are using inst kernel before 3.1.
>> As you know, Hauke Fath has fixed that problem. (Many thanks to  
>> Hauke.)
>
> I did? I fixed the sysinst Installer, but until Nuno's mail I  
> didn't even
> know there was an issue with installing over ftp. Which still  
> surprises me
> a bit, since I did install over NFS when I tested the installer.

Hi,

I'm surprised and embarassed in reading this.
(... or, maybe I should say "Sorry" at first for my poor English
and 'swallowing'.) Now I see some more than before, thanks.


Nuno:
>>> but panics with ftp install when trying to get distribution.

kazu:
>> Inst kernel before Oct 23 2006 causes that panic.

like this;

NetBSD 3.0.1 (INSTALL) #0: Fri Jul 14 00:35:04 UTC 2006
         builds@...:/home/builds/ab/netbsd-3-0-1-RELEASE/
mac68k/200607131826Z-ob
j/home/builds/ab/netbsd-3-0-1-RELEASE/src/sys/arch/mac68k/compile/
INSTALL
Apple Macintosh SE/30  (68030)
cpu: delay factor 166
total memory = 32768 KB
avail memory = 26856 KB

(snip)

      Status: Running
     Command: /usr/bin/ftp -a ftp://ftp.iij.ad.jp/pub/.d4/NetBSD/
NetBSD-3.1/mac68
k/binary/sets/kern-GENERIC.tgz

Trying 2001:240:bb8f::f:1...
Trying 2001:240:bb8f::f:0...
Trying 202.232.140.136...
Connected to ftp.iij.ad.jp.
220 (vsFTPd 2.0.1)
331 Please specify the password.
230 Login successful.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
panic: kernel diagnostic assertion "umap->refcount != 0" failed: file  
"/home/builds/ab/ne
tbsd-3-0-1-RELEASE/src/sys/uvm/uvm_bio.c", line 240
Stopped in pid 29.1 (ftp) at    netbsd:cpu_Debugger+0x6:        
unlk    a6
db>

I saw also "No space left on device" error during to get
distribution on the several kind of Macs, but I'm not surely
remember if it was on SE/30 or others.

Needless to say,
NetBSD 3.1 (INSTALL) #0: Tue Oct 31 04:44:26 UTC 2006
does not make such panic on SE/30.

Now I think Nuno is using 3.1 Sysinst, I wonder why it does't
work ...  Nuno, could you tell more details to us ?


On 2006/11/14, at 3:45, Hauke Fath wrote:
>
> I sat down yesterday afternoon, and exchanged all the electrolyte
> capacitors on the motherboards. I see two Happy Macs now.  :)

Congratulations ! :)

Please check and correct what I say with your happy SE/30.

Thanks,
Kazu Inanaga

[Hauke Fath]

At 8:35 Uhr +0100 14.11.2006, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:
>Nuno:
>>>> but panics with ftp install when trying to get distribution.
>
>kazu:
>>> Inst kernel before Oct 23 2006 causes that panic.
>
>like this;
>
>NetBSD 3.0.1 (INSTALL) #0: Fri Jul 14 00:35:04 UTC 2006

There you are... 3.0.1 is 3 plus fixes for security issues and fatal bugs.
For "practical purposes 3.0.1 is as old as 3, and a long way back from 3.1,
which has seen a lot of bug fixes in the recent months.

>I saw also "No space left on device" error during to get
>distribution on the several kind of Macs, but I'm not surely
>remember if it was on SE/30 or others.

That's most likely from sysint trying to dump core to the install kernel
ramdisk.
>
>Needless to say,
>NetBSD 3.1 (INSTALL) #0: Tue Oct 31 04:44:26 UTC 2006
>does not make such panic on SE/30.

It makes another: I see both the INSTALLSBC kernel and the installed
GENERICSBC kernel panic at shutdown.

>On 2006/11/14, at 3:45, Hauke Fath wrote:
>>
>> I sat down yesterday afternoon, and exchanged all the electrolyte
>> capacitors on the motherboards. I see two Happy Macs now.  :)
>
>Congratulations ! :)
>
>Please check and correct what I say with your happy SE/30.

I tried an install over ftp yesterday, which went with surprising speed
(450 KByte/sec, it said, but discount the slow clock of mac68k), and
successful apart from the mentioned panic.

        hauke


--
"It's never straight up and down"     (DEVO)

[Nuno Teixeira]

Hello to all,

Good news!

I tried kernel INSTALL instead INSTALLSBC and I can get distribution  
via ftp ok.

With SBC I get a panic like yours with 3.0.1. I get panic with reboot  
with both install kernels.

I will install a full distribution today and then I will let you know  
my results.

Yuppiiiie!!!!

brb

Thanks!

Nuno



On Nov 14, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:

>
> On 2006/11/14, at 3:43, Hauke Fath wrote:
>
>> At 3:40 Uhr +0100 13.11.2006, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:
>>>> but panics with ftp install when trying to get distribution.
>>>> I think I've read something  about ftp installation isn't working
>>>> properly. Do you know anything about it?
>>>
>>> .... It seems that you are using inst kernel before 3.1.
>>> As you know, Hauke Fath has fixed that problem. (Many thanks to  
>>> Hauke.)
>>
>> I did? I fixed the sysinst Installer, but until Nuno's mail I  
>> didn't even
>> know there was an issue with installing over ftp. Which still  
>> surprises me
>> a bit, since I did install over NFS when I tested the installer.
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm surprised and embarassed in reading this.
> (... or, maybe I should say "Sorry" at first for my poor English
> and 'swallowing'.) Now I see some more than before, thanks.
>
>
> Nuno:
>>>> but panics with ftp install when trying to get distribution.
>
> kazu:
>>> Inst kernel before Oct 23 2006 causes that panic.
>
> like this;
>
> NetBSD 3.0.1 (INSTALL) #0: Fri Jul 14 00:35:04 UTC 2006
>         builds@...:/home/builds/ab/netbsd-3-0-1-RELEASE/
> mac68k/200607131826Z-ob
> j/home/builds/ab/netbsd-3-0-1-RELEASE/src/sys/arch/mac68k/compile/
> INSTALL
> Apple Macintosh SE/30  (68030)
> cpu: delay factor 166
> total memory = 32768 KB
> avail memory = 26856 KB
>
> (snip)
>
>      Status: Running
>     Command: /usr/bin/ftp -a ftp://ftp.iij.ad.jp/pub/.d4/NetBSD/
> NetBSD-3.1/mac68
> k/binary/sets/kern-GENERIC.tgz
>
> Trying 2001:240:bb8f::f:1...
> Trying 2001:240:bb8f::f:0...
> Trying 202.232.140.136...
> Connected to ftp.iij.ad.jp.
> 220 (vsFTPd 2.0.1)
> 331 Please specify the password.
> 230 Login successful.
> Remote system type is UNIX.
> Using binary mode to transfer files.
> panic: kernel diagnostic assertion "umap->refcount != 0" failed:  
> file "/home/builds/ab/ne
> tbsd-3-0-1-RELEASE/src/sys/uvm/uvm_bio.c", line 240
> Stopped in pid 29.1 (ftp) at    netbsd:cpu_Debugger+0x6:        
> unlk    a6
> db>
>
> I saw also "No space left on device" error during to get
> distribution on the several kind of Macs, but I'm not surely
> remember if it was on SE/30 or others.
>
> Needless to say,
> NetBSD 3.1 (INSTALL) #0: Tue Oct 31 04:44:26 UTC 2006
> does not make such panic on SE/30.
>
> Now I think Nuno is using 3.1 Sysinst, I wonder why it does't
> work ...  Nuno, could you tell more details to us ?
>
>
> On 2006/11/14, at 3:45, Hauke Fath wrote:
>>
>> I sat down yesterday afternoon, and exchanged all the electrolyte
>> capacitors on the motherboards. I see two Happy Macs now.  :)
>
> Congratulations ! :)
>
> Please check and correct what I say with your happy SE/30.
>
> Thanks,
> Kazu Inanaga
>

Nuno Teixeira

[Kazuyuki Inanaga]

On 2006/11/15, at 6:07, Nuno Teixeira wrote:

> Good news!
>
> I tried kernel INSTALL instead INSTALLSBC and I can get  
> distribution via ftp ok.

> Yuppiiiie!!!!

Congratulations !        I'm glad, too. :)

  ... I don't surely remember, in 1.6x, SBC kernel runs on SE/30,
not GENERIC. ( ? )  In 3x, GENERIC kernel runs properly on it,
but not GENERICSBC (INSTALLSBC).
I was confused at the first intallation of NetBD-3 on SE/30,
I tried it with INSTALLSBC, same as Nuno. ;)


Kernel panic at reboot on 030s

Nuno wrote:
>  I get panic with reboot with both install kernels.

Hauke wrote:
>
> It makes another: I see both the INSTALLSBC kernel and the installed
> GENERICSBC kernel panic at shutdown.
>

NetBSD-3x is installed on my several kinds of Macs.

1) GENERIC (INSTALL) kernel does't run properly on 030s except
    SE/30. Only SE/30 likes GENERIC, other 030s prefer GENERICSBC.

    Hauke, please make me sure, have you installed GENERICSBC_3.1
    on your SE/30 with INSTALLSBC ?

2) All my 030s get panic at reboot, includeing SE/30, and also
    SE/40 (SE/30 + 040 accelerator / GENERIC).
    ...'panic at reboot' appeared sometimes in 1.6z(?) on 030s,

3) No 'panic at reboot' on my 040s. (All my 040s have GENERIC.)

So, I'm guessing that panic is caused by something heavily related
030 hardware, not kernel itself. ??  Does anyone know the reason ?


Thanks,
Kazu Inanaga

[Kazuyuki Inanaga]

On 2006/11/15, at 16:32, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:

>
> 3) No 'panic at reboot' on my 040s. (All my 040s have GENERIC.)
>
> So, I'm guessing that panic is caused by something heavily related
> 030 hardware, not kernel itself. ??  Does anyone know the reason ?
>

My PowerBook550c + GENERIC kernel freezes at just after
 > scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
in boot process.

GENERICSBC is OK, but it gets panic at reboot.

I found it tonight, sorry.

Thanks,
Kazu Inanaga

[ober-4]

I get panic on reboot on a Macintosh IIsi 030 20mhz.
GENERIC, and custom kernel.


-Jaime Fournier


On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:

> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:03:34 +0900
> From: Kazuyuki Inanaga <happyday@...>
> To: port-mac68k@...
> Subject: Re: Kernel panic at reboot on 030s
>
>
> On 2006/11/15, at 16:32, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:
>
>>
>> 3) No 'panic at reboot' on my 040s. (All my 040s have GENERIC.)
>>
>> So, I'm guessing that panic is caused by something heavily related
>> 030 hardware, not kernel itself. ??  Does anyone know the reason ?
>>
>
> My PowerBook550c + GENERIC kernel freezes at just after
>> scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
> in boot process.
>
> GENERICSBC is OK, but it gets panic at reboot.
>
> I found it tonight, sorry.
>
> Thanks,
> Kazu Inanaga
>

[Bjarne Bäckström]

15 nov 2006 kl. 17.03 skrev Kazuyuki Inanaga:

[...]
>
> My PowerBook550c + GENERIC kernel freezes at just after
> > scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
> in boot process.
>
> GENERICSBC is OK, but it gets panic at reboot.

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 I wrote:

[...]
    "reboot" makes the computer crash and break into the debugger  
with an "MMU fault" message. "shutdown" works okay, though.
[...]

    This was with 3.0 GENERICSBC on a IIsi. Other than that, most  
things worked OK, IIRC. I had to boot with extensions off, though.
--
Regards,
/Bjarne.

[Kazuyuki Inanaga]

On 2006/11/15, at 3:51, Hauke Fath wrote:
>
> I tried an install over ftp yesterday, which went with surprising  
> speed
> (450 KByte/sec, it said, but discount the slow clock of mac68k), and
> successful apart from the mentioned panic.
>

Hauke's SE/30 is working now ! Good news for us. :)

 >(450 KByte/sec, it said, but discount the slow clock of mac68k),

Yes.
I have some data with true time by SEIKO sports timer when
ftp get NetBSD-3.1 base.tgz (21842.9KB) from ftp.iij.ad.jp.

machine    kernel/ver  ftp daemon said      SEIKO
----------------------------------------------------
040
Quadra800  GEN 4.99.3  00:37 (566.34KB/S)   00:38.57
Quadra650  GEN 3.1     00:39 (541.36KB/s)   00:40.40
Quadra700  GEN 3.1     00:47 (445.16KB/s)   00:49.16
LC475      GEN 1.6.2   00:50 (419.24KB/s)   00:51.92
LC475      GEN 3.1     00:40 (524.56KB/s)   00:41.51

PB550c     SBC 3.1     00:34 (626.59KB/s)   01:03.43

030
LC III+    GEN 3.1     00:36 (585.42KB/s)   01:00.09
LC III+    SBC 3.1     00:35 (593.62KB/s)   01:07.25
LC III+    SBC 1.6.1   00:58 (367.42KB/s)   01:17.35
SE/30      GEN 3.1     00:52 (405.09KB/s)   01:56.35

PB165      GEN 1.6G    02:47 (127.30KB/s)   05:51.32
LC II      SBC 4.0_B   02:04 (171.07KB/s)   08:44.21
ClassicII  SBC 4.0_B   02:15 (157.19KB/s)   13:27.36


1) 040 Mac has a good clock except PowerBook550c.
2) 030 Mac has a slow clock. (why?)
3) It seems that slower 030 has much slower clock.
4) Not only in 3.1 but also in 1.6, maybe since more before ?

NOTE:
LC475 has MC68040, LC III+ has MC68882.
PB165(No FPU) has 1.6G kernel for DaynaPORT SCSI/Link-T.
Classic II, LC II has MC68882 and Cabletron EA412.

Cabletron EA412 got crazily slow time in this test,
because the kernel is not good for it. EA412 is almost
same as DaynaPORT SCSI/Link-T with suitable setting.

Thanks,
Kazu Inanaga

[Hauke Fath]

At 8:32 Uhr +0100 15.11.2006, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:

>> It makes another: I see both the INSTALLSBC kernel and the installed
>> GENERICSBC kernel panic at shutdown.
>
>NetBSD-3x is installed on my several kinds of Macs.
>
>1) GENERIC (INSTALL) kernel does't run properly on 030s except
>    SE/30. Only SE/30 likes GENERIC, other 030s prefer GENERICSBC.
>
>    Hauke, please make me sure, have you installed GENERICSBC_3.1
>    on your SE/30 with INSTALLSBC ?

[hauke@quiche] ~ > uname -a
NetBSD quiche 3.1_RC4 NetBSD 3.1_RC4 (GENERICSBC) #0: Thu Oct 19 19:34:55
CEST 2006
hf@Hochstuhl:/var/obj/netbsd-builds/3/mac68k/sys/arch/mac68k/compile/GENERICSBC
mac68k

-- the INSTALLSBC kernel was from the same build. I find that hardly any
disk works with the ncrscsi driver for me.

>2) All my 030s get panic at reboot, includeing SE/30, and also
>    SE/40 (SE/30 + 040 accelerator / GENERIC).
>    ...'panic at reboot' appeared sometimes in 1.6z(?) on 030s,

Not really. I've got a Mac IIsi here that neither panicked with NetBSD
2.1_STABLE, nor with a 4.99.3 kernel.

It's interesting, though, that when you bring down the machine with
'shutdown -h now', the panic occurs after you hit the "any" key to reboot.

        hauke

--
"It's never straight up and down"     (DEVO)

[Hauke Fath]

At 18:55 Uhr +0100 15.11.2006, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:
>1) 040 Mac has a good clock except PowerBook550c.
>2) 030 Mac has a slow clock. (why?)

The '030 Macs have an interrupt hierarchy where the timer interrupts have a
low priority, which means that ticks get lost as soon as there is any
significant I/O load. The Quadra 700 and later '040 Macs can be switched to
a different hierarchy which gives the timer interrupts higher priority.
Apple apparently learned from its A/UX experiences.

Powerbooks are probably closer to the '030 architecture - are there any
Powerbooks with a 53c94 SCSI controller? I don't think so.

        hauke

--
"It's never straight up and down"     (DEVO)

[Nuno Teixeira]

Hello,

I always used kernel SBC with 1.6* and 2* with success because they were
the ones who realy work ok rebooting and shutdown without panic. There's
  the reason y I allways choose SBC.

Now something change...

I'm working on my SE/30 right now...

brb

On Nov 15, 2006, at 7:32 AM, Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:

>
> On 2006/11/15, at 6:07, Nuno Teixeira wrote:
>
>> Good news!
>>
>> I tried kernel INSTALL instead INSTALLSBC and I can get  
>> distribution via ftp ok.
>
>> Yuppiiiie!!!!
>
> Congratulations !        I'm glad, too. :)
>
>  ... I don't surely remember, in 1.6x, SBC kernel runs on SE/30,
> not GENERIC. ( ? )  In 3x, GENERIC kernel runs properly on it,
> but not GENERICSBC (INSTALLSBC).
> I was confused at the first intallation of NetBD-3 on SE/30,
> I tried it with INSTALLSBC, same as Nuno. ;)
>
>
> Kernel panic at reboot on 030s
>
> Nuno wrote:
>>  I get panic with reboot with both install kernels.
>
> Hauke wrote:
>>
>> It makes another: I see both the INSTALLSBC kernel and the installed
>> GENERICSBC kernel panic at shutdown.
>>
>
> NetBSD-3x is installed on my several kinds of Macs.
>
> 1) GENERIC (INSTALL) kernel does't run properly on 030s except
>    SE/30. Only SE/30 likes GENERIC, other 030s prefer GENERICSBC.
>
>    Hauke, please make me sure, have you installed GENERICSBC_3.1
>    on your SE/30 with INSTALLSBC ?
>
> 2) All my 030s get panic at reboot, includeing SE/30, and also
>    SE/40 (SE/30 + 040 accelerator / GENERIC).
>    ...'panic at reboot' appeared sometimes in 1.6z(?) on 030s,
>
> 3) No 'panic at reboot' on my 040s. (All my 040s have GENERIC.)
>
> So, I'm guessing that panic is caused by something heavily related
> 030 hardware, not kernel itself. ??  Does anyone know the reason ?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Kazu Inanaga

Nuno Teixeira

[thelarsons3]

Kazuyuki Inanaga wrote:
>  ... I don't surely remember, in 1.6x, SBC kernel runs on SE/30,
> not GENERIC. ( ? )  In 3x, GENERIC kernel runs properly on it,
> but not GENERICSBC (INSTALLSBC).
> I was confused at the first intallation of NetBD-3 on SE/30,
> I tried it with INSTALLSBC, same as Nuno. ;)

I did a minimal (kernel and base only) upgrade (2.1 -> 3.1) on my Mystic
CC today, with no problems.  GENERIC kernel.

Tim
--
Tim & Alethea
christtrek.org

[Kazuyuki Inanaga]

Hi All,

So, can I say "Our all '030s get panic at reboot in NetBSD-3.1,

    How about IIci ?
    Does anyone know "my '030 can reboot without panic" ?

and, it's only in '030s, all '040 works fine at reboot." ?


I dislike to see that panicked (MMU fault) screen. It makes me
panic, too.

On 2006/11/16, at 1:59, Bjarne Bäckström wrote:

>
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 I wrote:
>
> [...]
>    "reboot" makes the computer crash and break into the debugger
>    with an "MMU fault" message. "shutdown" works okay, though.
> [...]
>

On 2006/11/16, at 3:34, Hauke Fath wrote:
    (kazu:)

>> 2) All my 030s get panic at reboot, includeing SE/30, and also
>>    SE/40 (SE/30 + 040 accelerator / GENERIC).
>>    ...'panic at reboot' appeared sometimes in 1.6z(?) on 030s,
>>
>
> Not really. I've got a Mac IIsi here that neither panicked with NetBSD
> 2.1_STABLE, nor with a 4.99.3 kernel.
>
> It's interesting, though, that when you bring down the machine with
> 'shutdown -h now', the panic occurs after you hit the "any" key to  
> reboot.
>

Yes, thanks to Bjarne and Hauke.
To avoid that, I do 'shutdown -h now' then push Reset or Power-off,
but ... it's not 'graceful'. ;)

On 2006/11/16, at 1:59, Bjarne Bäckström wrote:

>
>  I had to boot with extensions off, though.
> --
>

Yes, that's a good idea, too.

NetBSD reads PRAM. When PRAM has correct setting, we don't need
INIT nor CDEV in MacOS, right?

How about 32-bit dirty machines ? IIx, IIcx or SE/30 for example,
we need MODE32 and Memory Control Panel in MacOS.

IIsi is 32-bit clean, a beautifu and interesting machine, I like  
IIsi, too.

(again)
On 2006/11/16, at 3:34, Hauke Fath wrote:

>             I've got a Mac IIsi here that neither panicked with NetBSD
> 2.1_STABLE, nor with a 4.99.3 kernel.
>

Very interesting. I'm expecting the next of NetBSD/mac68k.

Regards,
Kazu Inanaga