NetBeans.next -- Call for ideas

[Erno Mononen]

Hi folks,

While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have started
looking at what we should do for the next release (which will likely be
7.0). We got a lot of ideas when we asked for them after 6.1 [1] -- some
of them we got to implement already for 6.5, while for some others there
wasn't enough time (we'll have a look at all these now again). More
details on the http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyNextReleasePlan page.

Now we'd like to ask what you'd like to see in the next release: Any new
ideas since the last round? Something that you really miss and wasn't
implemented for 6.5? Even if the feature that you miss is already listed
on the mentioned wiki page or filed in IZ, emphasizing its importance
here won't hurt. Since there is never enough time and resources to
implement everything, your feedback on what are the things that we
should concentrate on is invaluable to us.

Lastly, I should mention that the main themes for the next release (the
whole IDE) are quality and performance, so you can expect us to put
extra effort into these areas also in the NetBeans Ruby IDE.

Thanks,
Erno

[1]
http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-7.0-feature-plan---Call-For-Ideas-td16107804.html

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[Martin Krauskopf]

Erno Mononen wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have started

Also worth to note that we've started to keep 'Recent Changes' wiki
page[1] up-to-date again. So you might watch the progress of
NetBeans.next there.

        m.

[1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyRecentChanges

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[indiehead]

nice, i'll have a think and post some ideas for the next release.

excellent product by the way, so much better than Eclipse and Aptana; plus way more stable ;-)


John.

2008/10/20 Martin Krauskopf <Martin.Krauskopf@...>

Erno Mononen wrote:

Hi folks,

While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have started

Also worth to note that we've started to keep 'Recent Changes' wiki page[1] up-to-date again. So you might watch the progress of NetBeans.next there.

       m.

[1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyRecentChanges

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nice, i'll have a think and post some ideas for the next release.

excellent product by the way, so much better than Eclipse and Aptana;
plus way more stable ;-)


John.


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        Erno Mononen wrote:
       

                Hi folks,
               
                While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team
have started
               


        Also worth to note that we've started to keep 'Recent Changes'
wiki page[1] up-to-date again. So you might watch the progress of
NetBeans.next there.
       
               m.
       
        [1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyRecentChanges


       
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nice, i'll have a think and post some ideas for the next release.

excellent product by the way, so much better than Eclipse and Aptana;
plus way more stable ;-)


John.


2008/10/20 Martin Krauskopf <Martin.Krauskopf@...>


       Erno Mononen wrote:


               Hi folks,

               While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team
have started



       Also worth to note that we've started to keep 'Recent Changes'
wiki page[1] up-to-date again. So you might watch the progress of
NetBeans.next there.

              m.

       [1] http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyRecentChanges



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[john casu-3]

I'd like a way to be able to write a netbeans plugin entirely in jruby.

Erno Mononen wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have started
> looking at what we should do for the next release (which will likely be
> 7.0). We got a lot of ideas when we asked for them after 6.1 [1] -- some
> of them we got to implement already for 6.5, while for some others there
> wasn't enough time (we'll have a look at all these now again). More
> details on the http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyNextReleasePlan page.
>
> Now we'd like to ask what you'd like to see in the next release: Any new
> ideas since the last round? Something that you really miss and wasn't
> implemented for 6.5? Even if the feature that you miss is already listed
> on the mentioned wiki page or filed in IZ, emphasizing its importance
> here won't hurt. Since there is never enough time and resources to
> implement everything, your feedback on what are the things that we
> should concentrate on is invaluable to us.
>
> Lastly, I should mention that the main themes for the next release (the
> whole IDE) are quality and performance, so you can expect us to put
> extra effort into these areas also in the NetBeans Ruby IDE.
>
> Thanks,
> Erno
>
> [1]
> http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-7.0-feature-plan---Call-For-Ideas-td16107804.html 
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[timuckun]

I would like to be able to align code in columns

for example

t.string "some_column", :null => false
t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false

I want this to align like

t.string      "some_column",                      :null => false
t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false

I believe emacs does this.

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[Martin Krauskopf]

john casu wrote:
> I'd like a way to be able to write a netbeans plugin entirely in jruby.

Hi John,

I'd been playing with this some time ago[1]. But was quite hard to
utilize, rather musing and exploring the topic.
I think that these days with 6.5 and 7.0 it would be easier. So I would
like to give it a second shot.

But I would like to know what would be your use-cases. Ideally
everything written in JRuby, sure :), but we have to start somewhere,
with some easier use-cases. So do you have any concrete ideas?

I think that there will be need for some bridge "Ruby to NetBeans Java
APIs" or might be some kind of DSL for menu, wizard, editor's hints, ...
'registration'....

        m.

[1] http://blogs.sun.com/martink/entry/scripting_netbeans_in_ruby

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[john casu-3]

Martin Krauskopf wrote:

> john casu wrote:
>> I'd like a way to be able to write a netbeans plugin entirely in jruby.
>
> Hi John,
>
> I'd been playing with this some time ago[1]. But was quite hard to
> utilize, rather musing and exploring the topic.
> I think that these days with 6.5 and 7.0 it would be easier. So I would
> like to give it a second shot.
>

when I say written entirely in JRuby, I'm implying the ability to call
Java from JRuby.


> But I would like to know what would be your use-cases. Ideally
> everything written in JRuby, sure :), but we have to start somewhere,
> with some easier use-cases. So do you have any concrete ideas?
>

my use cases are for tools to help augment the capabilities of netbeans
wrt running parallel applications written in C/C++ & Fortran, and
possibly Ruby itself.

I'd like to be able to take files in projects, and either do some text
processing of those files, or annotate those files with external data.

I'd like to add some tools to Netbeans, specifically modify the toolbar
to be able to specify a number of processors on which to run a parallel
job, and maybe integrate into some batch system like SGE.  Also add
Jumpshot from the mpich group.

I'd also like to augment existing tools, like the debugger, but I'm
willing to bite the bullet and do that entirely in Java if I have to.


> I think that there will be need for some bridge "Ruby to NetBeans Java
> APIs" or might be some kind of DSL for menu, wizard, editor's hints, ...
> 'registration'....
>

Sure.



>     m.
>
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[Logan Barnett]

Erno Mononen wrote:

> Hi folks,
> While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have  
> started looking at what we should do for the next release (which  
> will likely be 7.0). We got a lot of ideas when we asked for them  
> after 6.1 [1] -- some of them we got to implement already for 6.5,  
> while for some others there wasn't enough time (we'll have a look at  
> all these now again). More details on the http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyNextReleasePlan 
>  page.
> Now we'd like to ask what you'd like to see in the next release: Any  
> new ideas since the last round? Something that you really miss and  
> wasn't implemented for 6.5? Even if the feature that you miss is  
> already listed on the mentioned wiki page or filed in IZ,  
> emphasizing its importance here won't hurt. Since there is never  
> enough time and resources to implement everything, your feedback on  
> what are the things that we should concentrate on is invaluable to us.
> Lastly, I should mention that the main themes for the next release  
> (the whole IDE) are quality and performance, so you can expect us to  
> put extra effort into these areas also in the NetBeans Ruby IDE.
> Thanks,
> Erno
> [1] http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-7.0-feature-plan---Call-For-Ideas-td16107804.html 
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I found this in the 'Not yet implemented features' section:
Java integration - make it easies to use Java from JRuby (and vice  
versa). Could include things such as bundling the necessary jar files,  
code completion and other editor features.

I'm not sure if this is the same thing, but I'd like to see better  
integration between JRuby and Java projects (maybe this is just a  
JRuby project). I'm doing a lot of GUI development with JRuby right  
now. I use the GUI builder to do the layout and then write JRuby to  
hook into all of that and perform the app logic. I've found that  
working in a Java project is the best idea, since it compiles all of  
those Java forms and tosses them on the classpath. I'm not sure how  
far you guys have gone, since I'm using 6.1 over here.
If you are looking for a JRuby build tool to help you along, Rawr is  
about to hit 1.0, and is worth checking out. On trunk, it's compiling  
Ruby files now and being more intelligent about compilation in general.

You guys are doing an awesome job by the way. At my office, Netbeans  
is the standard IDE for our Ruby development.

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[Martin Krauskopf]

john casu wrote:

> Martin Krauskopf wrote:
>> john casu wrote:
>>> I'd like a way to be able to write a netbeans plugin entirely in jruby.
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I'd been playing with this some time ago[1]. But was quite hard to
>> utilize, rather musing and exploring the topic.
>> I think that these days with 6.5 and 7.0 it would be easier. So I
>> would like to give it a second shot.
>>
>
> when I say written entirely in JRuby, I'm implying the ability to call
> Java from JRuby.
>
>
>> But I would like to know what would be your use-cases. Ideally
>> everything written in JRuby, sure :), but we have to start somewhere,
>> with some easier use-cases. So do you have any concrete ideas?
>>
>
> my use cases are for tools to help augment the capabilities of netbeans
> wrt running parallel applications written in C/C++ & Fortran, and
> possibly Ruby itself.
>
> I'd like to be able to take files in projects, and either do some text
> processing of those files, or annotate those files with external data.
>
> I'd like to add some tools to Netbeans, specifically modify the toolbar
> to be able to specify a number of processors on which to run a parallel
> job, and maybe integrate into some batch system like SGE.  Also add
> Jumpshot from the mpich group.
>
> I'd also like to augment existing tools, like the debugger, but I'm
> willing to bite the bullet and do that entirely in Java if I have to.

I've filed RFE here:

   http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=151085

where you can watch the progress. Everybody capable in both, Ruby and
Java, are welcomed with contributions :)
E.g. developing general purpose Ruby DSL and/or APIs should be quite IDE
independent. I guess we can track ideas on some wiki-page like:

   http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyExetendingNetBeansInRuby
   (does not exist now)

once somebody starts to work on it. I will ping the ML here when I get
to it.

        m.

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[Martin Krauskopf]

Logan Barnett wrote:
[...]

> I found this in the 'Not yet implemented features' section:
> Java integration - make it easies to use Java from JRuby (and vice
> versa). Could include things such as bundling the necessary jar files,
> code completion and other editor features.
>
> I'm not sure if this is the same thing, but I'd like to see better
> integration between JRuby and Java projects (maybe this is just a JRuby
> project). I'm doing a lot of GUI development with JRuby right now. I use
> the GUI builder to do the layout and then write JRuby to hook into all
> of that and perform the app logic. I've found that working in a Java
> project is the best idea, since it compiles all of those Java forms and
> tosses them on the classpath. I'm not sure how far you guys have gone,
> since I'm using 6.1 over here.

There is not such support in 6.5 as well. We are considering better
JRuby integration then we have now. There has to be decisions made,
whether to rather provide better general non-platform dependent features
or whether it is already time when there is enough of such general
features and we might focus more on specific feature like tuned JRuby
support.
But we try to provide at least a piece from every area if possible.

> If you are looking for a JRuby build tool to help you along, Rawr is
> about to hit 1.0, and is worth checking out. On trunk, it's compiling
> Ruby files now and being more intelligent about compilation in general.

Thanks for the tips. I've filed:

http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=151086

and included into the planning page.

        m.

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[bruparel]

For me, the best feature that you can introduce in NetBeans 6.5 is an easy and transparent way of bringing up the Rails console at a break point and do ad-hoc analysis and testing.  Somehow if this can be tied to the development log so that we can see interactive feedback, then Netbeans simply would be unstoppable.
Bharat

[Peter Williams-4]

Comments inline.

bruparel wrote:
> For me, the best feature that you can introduce in NetBeans 6.5 is an easy
> and transparent way of bringing up the Rails console at a break point and do
> ad-hoc analysis and testing.
I don't see any (obvious) reason why this can't be done.  It's (mostly)
a variation on the expression evaluator, which I believe is already
supported for the Ruby Debugger.

File an enhancement request against ruby/debugger please.  Include
details from my question below.

>   Somehow if this can be tied to the development
> log so that we can see interactive feedback,
Do you simply mean the output of the console described above goes to the
log?  Or what exactly?

-Peter
>  then Netbeans simply would be
> unstoppable.
> Bharat
>
>  

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[Martin Krauskopf]

bruparel wrote:
> For me, the best feature that you can introduce in NetBeans 6.5 is an easy
> and transparent way of bringing up the Rails console at a break point and do
> ad-hoc analysis and testing.

Hi, this is already filed here:

http://www.netbeans.org/nonav/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=107761

Might be dependent on Terminal Emulator. I'm still not sure how it will
be implemented. If just simple expression evaluator or if we will
delegate work to the specialized IRB as CLI debugger does.

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[Erno Mononen]

Hi Tim,

Tim Uckun wrote:

> I would like to be able to align code in columns
>
> for example
>
> t.string "some_column", :null => false
> t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false
>
> I want this to align like
>
> t.string      "some_column",                      :null => false
> t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false
>
> I believe emacs does this.
>  

That's an interesting idea, I filed
http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=151456 for this. I'm not
familiar enough with the editing infrastructure to say anything about
whether this can be done for the next release, but in any case, please
add a comment in the issue if you know what exactly is the action in
Emacs that does this (for comparison).

Thanks,
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[Giuseppe Caruso]

I am using NB Mac version.
It would be nice to get into the "Files/Projects" pane pop up window a  
"duplicate" file and a "new" file item.
Not to mention a "show in Finder" one.

Who is responsible of the Mac's user interface? I would love to give  
an help.

Il giorno 20/ott/08, alle ore 13:05, Erno Mononen ha scritto:

> Hi folks,
>
> While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have  
> started looking at what we should do for the next release (which  
> will likely be 7.0). We got a lot of ideas when we asked for them  
> after 6.1 [1] -- some of them we got to implement already for 6.5,  
> while for some others there wasn't enough time (we'll have a look at  
> all these now again). More details on the http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyNextReleasePlan 
>  page.
>
> Now we'd like to ask what you'd like to see in the next release: Any  
> new ideas since the last round? Something that you really miss and  
> wasn't implemented for 6.5? Even if the feature that you miss is  
> already listed on the mentioned wiki page or filed in IZ,  
> emphasizing its importance here won't hurt. Since there is never  
> enough time and resources to implement everything, your feedback on  
> what are the things that we should concentrate on is invaluable to us.
>
> Lastly, I should mention that the main themes for the next release  
> (the whole IDE) are quality and performance, so you can expect us to  
> put extra effort into these areas also in the NetBeans Ruby IDE.
>
> Thanks,
> Erno
>
> [1] http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-7.0-feature-plan---Call-For-Ideas-td16107804.html
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[Giuseppe Caruso]

It could be great if auto completing could also offer partial names.

Il giorno 20/ott/08, alle ore 13:05, Erno Mononen ha scritto:

> Hi folks,
>
> While 6.5 FCS is not out yet, we in the development team have  
> started looking at what we should do for the next release (which  
> will likely be 7.0). We got a lot of ideas when we asked for them  
> after 6.1 [1] -- some of them we got to implement already for 6.5,  
> while for some others there wasn't enough time (we'll have a look at  
> all these now again). More details on the http://wiki.netbeans.org/RubyNextReleasePlan 
>  page.
>
> Now we'd like to ask what you'd like to see in the next release: Any  
> new ideas since the last round? Something that you really miss and  
> wasn't implemented for 6.5? Even if the feature that you miss is  
> already listed on the mentioned wiki page or filed in IZ,  
> emphasizing its importance here won't hurt. Since there is never  
> enough time and resources to implement everything, your feedback on  
> what are the things that we should concentrate on is invaluable to us.
>
> Lastly, I should mention that the main themes for the next release  
> (the whole IDE) are quality and performance, so you can expect us to  
> put extra effort into these areas also in the NetBeans Ruby IDE.
>
> Thanks,
> Erno
>
> [1] http://www.nabble.com/NetBeans-7.0-feature-plan---Call-For-Ideas-td16107804.html
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[Martin Krauskopf]

Erno Mononen wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> Tim Uckun wrote:
>> I would like to be able to align code in columns
>>
>> for example
>>
>> t.string "some_column", :null => false
>> t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false
>>
>> I want this to align like
>>
>> t.string      "some_column",                      :null => false
>> t.datetime "some_other_longer_column", :null => false
>>
>> I believe emacs does this.
>>  
>
> That's an interesting idea, I filed
> http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=151456 for this. I'm not
> familiar enough with the editing infrastructure to say anything about
> whether this can be done for the next release, but in any case, please
> add a comment in the issue if you know what exactly is the action in
> Emacs that does this (for comparison).

I do not know Emacs, but you might try in Vim:

   http://mysite.verizon.net/astronaut/vim/align.html#Examples
   http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=294

This rather general RFE, useful in all languages, or editing in general.
I'll reassign issue to the editor.

        m.

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[Erno Mononen]

Hi Giuseppe,

(((Bonsai Studio))) - Giuseppe wrote:
> I am using NB Mac version.
> It would be nice to get into the "Files/Projects" pane pop up window a
> "duplicate" file and a "new" file item.
> Not to mention a "show in Finder" one.
>
> Who is responsible of the Mac's user interface? I would love to give
> an help.

Thanks for the ideas. These features should be handled in the base IDE
(as they would be useful not only in Ruby development), so can  you file
issues for these against the 'ide' component in our IZ (or let me know
and I can do it for you)? I'm not sure now who would be the best person
to contact on Mac related issues, if you have some specific ideas
probably best to file issues for them. 'Show in Finder' seems like a
good idea to me.

Thanks,
Erno


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