New Internationalized domain names are coming

[Bill Horne-11]

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) has
announced more progress toward the issuance of Internationalized
country-code Top Level Domain names (IDN ccTLDs).

The new internationalized domain names will allow domain names to be
written and displayed with something _other_ than the Latin alphabet
that has been required up until now. In other words, Russians will get
domain names written with Cyrillic characters, Saudis with Arabic, etc.

Details are at
http://www.icann.com/en/announcements/announcement-04oct09-en.htm .

My questions:

1. Has this change been implemented so that it doesn't break what's out
   there now?
   
2. What software will I have to change, if any?

Sorry to be Chicken Little, but not having the Latin alphabet in
domain names is like doing away with at-signs in email addresses. I
know it's possible, but it's a tektonic shift in the electronic
firmament, and I'm feeling dizzy all of a sudden.

Bill

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[Stephen Adler]

May I suggest taking the blue pill?...

;)

Bill Horne wrote:

> The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) has
> announced more progress toward the issuance of Internationalized
> country-code Top Level Domain names (IDN ccTLDs).
>
> The new internationalized domain names will allow domain names to be
> written and displayed with something _other_ than the Latin alphabet
> that has been required up until now. In other words, Russians will get
> domain names written with Cyrillic characters, Saudis with Arabic, etc.
>
> Details are at
> http://www.icann.com/en/announcements/announcement-04oct09-en.htm .
>
> My questions:
>
> 1. Has this change been implemented so that it doesn't break what's out
>    there now?
>    
> 2. What software will I have to change, if any?
>
> Sorry to be Chicken Little, but not having the Latin alphabet in
> domain names is like doing away with at-signs in email addresses. I
> know it's possible, but it's a tektonic shift in the electronic
> firmament, and I'm feeling dizzy all of a sudden.
>
> Bill
>
>  

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[Bill Horne-9]

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> May I suggest taking the blue pill?...

If I do, will Kansas go bye-bye?


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[Dan Ritter-2]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Bill Horne wrote:
> 1. Has this change been implemented so that it doesn't break what's out
>    there now?

Mostly.

> 2. What software will I have to change, if any?
>
> Sorry to be Chicken Little, but not having the Latin alphabet in
> domain names is like doing away with at-signs in email addresses. I
> know it's possible, but it's a tektonic shift in the electronic
> firmament, and I'm feeling dizzy all of a sudden.

The worst problems are going to be variants of this:

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/unicode_url_hac_1.html

-dsr-


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[Richard Pieri]

On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Bill Horne wrote:
> Sorry to be Chicken Little, but not having the Latin alphabet in
> domain names is like doing away with at-signs in email addresses. I
> know it's possible, but it's a tektonic shift in the electronic
> firmament, and I'm feeling dizzy all of a sudden.

Someone doesn't remember bang path addressing :).

--Rich P.

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[Gregory Boyce-3]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Richard Pieri wrote:

> On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Bill Horne wrote:
>> Sorry to be Chicken Little, but not having the Latin alphabet in
>> domain names is like doing away with at-signs in email addresses. I
>> know it's possible, but it's a tektonic shift in the electronic
>> firmament, and I'm feeling dizzy all of a sudden.
>
> Someone doesn't remember bang path addressing :).

That's how cavemen sent e-mail, right?
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> May I suggest taking the blue pill?...

If I do, will Kansas go bye-bye?


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[Bill Horne-14]

Richard Pieri wrote:

> On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Bill Horne wrote:
>  
>> Sorry to be Chicken Little, but not having the Latin alphabet in
>> domain names is like doing away with at-signs in email addresses. I
>> know it's possible, but it's a tektonic shift in the electronic
>> firmament, and I'm feeling dizzy all of a sudden.
>>    
>
> Someone doesn't remember bang path addressing :).
>  

I _said_ "I know it's possible"!

OK, let's say it's like having Ethernet wired with the blue pair, or
wintel boxes that never overheat: pick your metaphor.

bill
org!homelinux!billhorne!bill.

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[Jerry Feldman-2]

On 10/15/2009 09:17 AM, Bill Horne wrote:
> If I do, will Kansas go bye-bye?
>
>  
That would be a good thing.

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[Seth Gordon]

Bill Horne wrote:
> 1. Has this change been implemented so that it doesn't break what's out
>    there now?
>    
> 2. What software will I have to change, if any?
>
> Sorry to be Chicken Little, but not having the Latin alphabet in
> domain names is like doing away with at-signs in email addresses. I
> know it's possible, but it's a tektonic shift in the electronic
> firmament, and I'm feeling dizzy all of a sudden.

There's already a system for encoding arbitrary Unicode characters into
domain names; e.g., if I type "http://Правда.ru/" into my browser, it
gets translated to "http://xn--80aafi6cg.ru/".  All browsers are capable
of supporting this already, but they take various precautions to deal
with the security holes introduced by the issue.  See the Wikipedia
"Internationalized domain name" article for some details.

Anyway, it seems that the really new thing here is that ICANN will allow
for the creation of country-code top level domains (ccTLDs) that use
non-ASCII characters encoded by this system, alongside the existing
two-character ccTLDs.  So, for example, the Israel Internet Assocation,
which currently manages the ".il" TLD, could also apply for ".ישראל".


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[Dan Ritter-2]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:16:28AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Bill Horne wrote:
> > 1. Has this change been implemented so that it doesn't break what's out
> >    there now?
>
> Mostly.
>
> > 2. What software will I have to change, if any?
> >
> > Sorry to be Chicken Little, but not having the Latin alphabet in
> > domain names is like doing away with at-signs in email addresses. I
> > know it's possible, but it's a tektonic shift in the electronic
> > firmament, and I'm feeling dizzy all of a sudden.
>
> The worst problems are going to be variants of this:
>
> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/unicode_url_hac_1.html

And this is a good slideshow (PDF, 118 slides)

http://www.casabasecurity.com/files/Chris_Weber_Character%20Transformations%20v1.7_IUC33.pdf


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