New developer Nigel Vickers

[ralfbecker]

I think most of you already know Nigel (one of the managers from
Stylite) from the developer meeting, he organized last year.

He's quite active in debugging and fixing problem in SyncML and FMail.
So far I always reviewed and commited his patches.

I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor.
I will add him at the end of this week, if noone objects.

Ralf
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[Lars Kneschke-2]

"Ralf Becker" <RalfBecker@...> schrieb:
> I think most of you already know Nigel (one of the managers from
> Stylite) from the developer meeting, he organized last year.
>
> He's quite active in debugging and fixing problem in SyncML and FMail.
> So far I always reviewed and commited his patches.
>
> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor.
> I will add him at the end of this week, if noone objects.

Hello Ralf!

I'm strongly against adding Nigel, i suppose you know why.

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[ralfbecker]

Hi Lars,

if you seriously want to object, I need to give some reasons
understandable to the other project members.

Ralf

Lars Kneschke schrieb:

> "Ralf Becker" <RalfBecker@...> schrieb:
>> I think most of you already know Nigel (one of the managers from
>> Stylite) from the developer meeting, he organized last year.
>>
>> He's quite active in debugging and fixing problem in SyncML and FMail.
>> So far I always reviewed and commited his patches.
>>
>> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor.
>> I will add him at the end of this week, if noone objects.
>
> Hello Ralf!
>
> I'm strongly against adding Nigel, i suppose you know why.
>
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[Lars Kneschke-2]

"Ralf Becker" <RalfBecker@...> schrieb:
> Hi Lars,
>
> if you seriously want to object, I need to give some reasons
> understandable to the other project members.

Hello Ralf!

I hoped, that you would not ask this question, as i'm pretty sure that you
know why I don't like to work together with Nigel any more. I don't think
that the other people on this list will benefit from a discussion about
things they can not validate.

In the last summer we(Cornelius, Nigel, you and me) had a meeting at
Stylite. It was my real intention to find a way, how we can extend eTemplate
to work with a JavaScript frontend and how we can improve the eGroupWare
core to work better with JavaScript/AJAX frameworks.

The meeting was scheduled for 2 days. After 1,5 days I did left the meeting
very angry, because Nigel did not stop bashing at me. 1,5 days Nigel told me
that I'm a very bad boy and that every idea I have to improve eGroupWare is
totally wrong and can not be implemented.

I'm very surprised that you don't remember this meeting any more.

I don't see any way, how I can work together with Nigel.

eGroupWare is a team and Nigel is not a team player. He is not able to
accept, that other people might have a different opinion.

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[ralfbecker]

Hi Lars,

Lars Kneschke schrieb:

> "Ralf Becker" <RalfBecker@...> schrieb:
>> Hi Lars,
>>
>> if you seriously want to object, you need to give some reasons
>> understandable to the other project members.
>
> Hello Ralf!
>
> I hoped, that you would not ask this question, as i'm pretty sure that you
> know why I don't like to work together with Nigel any more. I don't think
> that the other people on this list will benefit from a discussion about
> things they can not validate.

I know you dislike Nigel, but that was not my question: neither the
first one about making him a project member, nor the second one when I
asked you to state reasons to not make him a project member.

> In the last summer we(Cornelius, Nigel, you and me) had a meeting at
> Stylite. It was my real intention to find a way, how we can extend eTemplate
> to work with a JavaScript frontend and how we can improve the eGroupWare
> core to work better with JavaScript/AJAX frameworks.
>
> The meeting was scheduled for 2 days. After 1,5 days I did left the meeting
> very angry, because Nigel did not stop bashing at me. 1,5 days Nigel told me
> that I'm a very bad boy and that every idea I have to improve eGroupWare is
> totally wrong and can not be implemented.

Describing is as constant bashing at you is - in my opinion - not
correct: as it implies intention to hurt you. Which I'm absolutely sure
Nigel never had.

It's correct that he, as well as you, insisted strongly on his point of
view, and we did not come to a compromise. That's sad, but blaming it
only on one side, is not correct either and tells more about you then
the situation itself.

> I'm very surprised that you don't remember this meeting any more.

Of cause I remember ...

> I don't see any way, how I can work together with Nigel.

To put that straight, you left the current eGroupWare code base and now
want to object against people trying to help maintaining and improving it?

At least for me, that's not acceptable.

> eGroupWare is a team and Nigel is not a team player. He is not able to
> accept, that other people might have a different opinion.

As I said before, it was not only Nigel insisting on his point of view.

Anyway for the record, I noticed your opinion. That alone is no reason,
not to include Nigel into the project.

Ralf
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[Lars Kneschke-2]

"Ralf Becker" <RalfBecker@...> schrieb:
> It's correct that he, as well as you, insisted strongly on his point of
> view, and we did not come to a compromise. That's sad, but blaming it
> only on one side, is not correct either and tells more about you then
> the situation itself.
Like I said before. It makes no sense to discuss this here.

> To put that straight, you left the current eGroupWare code base and now
> want to object against people trying to help maintaining and improving it?
I have nothing against people helping maintaining eGroupWare. But I have a
problem with Nigel, as he does not fit into our team. He is no teamplayer.

> Anyway for the record, I noticed your opinion. That alone is no reason,
> not to include Nigel into the project.
I would never try to bring someone into the project you would be
uncomfortable with. But of course I can not not expect the same from you.

I wish you much luck with your decision.

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[ralfbecker]

As there have been no further objections, I added Nigel to the list of
project members and assigned him commit rights for our svn repository.

Hi Nigel,

welcome on board the eGroupWare project :-)

Please create a developer checkout (see
www.egroupware.org/wiki/subversion) and negotiate all your commits 'til
you become a full senior developer with Me or Klaus.

I'm looking forward to more FMail and SyncML fixes or improvements.

Ralf

Ralf Becker schrieb:

> I think most of you already know Nigel (one of the managers from
> Stylite) from the developer meeting, he organized last year.
>
> He's quite active in debugging and fixing problem in SyncML and FMail.
> So far I always reviewed and commited his patches.
>
> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor.
> I will add him at the end of this week, if noone objects.
>
> Ralf

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[Cornelius Weiss-4]

Hi Ralf,

it's a shame that you sell your friends and companions for the bucks
stylite pays you! You force us to talk about dirty detailes on public
lists. The looser is the project itslef, and that hurts me as i
personally spend 100dreds of my spare hours to help the community grow.

Please realise that we have roules in our project anybody (this implies
you) has to stick to!
http://www.egroupware.org/index.php?page_name=wiki&wikipage=NewMembers

I request you to deprive Nigel commit rights to our SVN if you have a
small rest of social braveness.

cu
(a humanely disappointed) Conny

Ralf Becker schrieb:

> As there have been no further objections, I added Nigel to the list of
> project members and assigned him commit rights for our svn repository.
>
> Hi Nigel,
>
> welcome on board the eGroupWare project :-)
>
> Please create a developer checkout (see
> www.egroupware.org/wiki/subversion) and negotiate all your commits 'til
> you become a full senior developer with Me or Klaus.
>
> I'm looking forward to more FMail and SyncML fixes or improvements.
>
> Ralf
>
> Ralf Becker schrieb:
>  
>> I think most of you already know Nigel (one of the managers from
>> Stylite) from the developer meeting, he organized last year.
>>
>> He's quite active in debugging and fixing problem in SyncML and FMail.
>> So far I always reviewed and commited his patches.
>>
>> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor.
>> I will add him at the end of this week, if noone objects.
>>
>> Ralf
>>    
>
>  

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[ralfbecker]

Hi Conny,

sorry, miss your point (beside the accusations with the bucks ...)

Nigel has send about a dozen patches in the area of FMail, egw-pear and
SyncML. These patches have been reviewed and commited by Klaus or me,
that is the first stage in our NewMembers document you linked.

Now Klaus and I think he's ready to get commit rights (next stage in the
official process) and to be added as project member.

That the procedure I followed since that rules have been drafted. Review
this list and the commit logs, and you will see the announcement on the
core list always happens at that stage and the new devels got commit
rights with the condition to negotiate all commit with their mentors
beforehand.

And before the next accusation comes: making a Nigel a developer is a
reaction on your announcements, please look at the dates (it's well
before you/metaways send the announcement).

And for the record, I received no money from anyone before asking on
this list to make him a developer. What I received from Nigel was a
bunch of patched, who helped the community alot to cope with the
problems of the dropped support for FMail and SyncML by it's developer.

Ralf

Cornelius Weiss schrieb:

> Hi Ralf,
>
> it's a shame that you sell your friends and companions for the bucks
> stylite pays you! You force us to talk about dirty detailes on public
> lists. The looser is the project itslef, and that hurts me as i
> personally spend 100dreds of my spare hours to help the community grow.
>
> Please realise that we have roules in our project anybody (this implies
> you) has to stick to!
> http://www.egroupware.org/index.php?page_name=wiki&wikipage=NewMembers
>
> I request you to deprive Nigel commit rights to our SVN if you have a
> small rest of social braveness.
>
> cu
> (a humanely disappointed) Conny
>
> Ralf Becker schrieb:
>> As there have been no further objections, I added Nigel to the list of
>> project members and assigned him commit rights for our svn repository.
>>
>> Hi Nigel,
>>
>> welcome on board the eGroupWare project :-)
>>
>> Please create a developer checkout (see
>> www.egroupware.org/wiki/subversion) and negotiate all your commits 'til
>> you become a full senior developer with Me or Klaus.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to more FMail and SyncML fixes or improvements.
>>
>> Ralf
>>
>> Ralf Becker schrieb:
>>  
>>> I think most of you already know Nigel (one of the managers from
>>> Stylite) from the developer meeting, he organized last year.
>>>
>>> He's quite active in debugging and fixing problem in SyncML and FMail.
>>> So far I always reviewed and commited his patches.
>>>
>>> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor.
>>> I will add him at the end of this week, if noone objects.
>>>
>>> Ralf
>>>    
>>  
>
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[Cornelius Weiss-4]

Hi Ralf,

you requested to add Nigel as junior member. According to our rules,
junior members have no access to svn. If you had requested to add nigel
as medior member, i would have objected also.

My intend is not to flame on the lists. This was the reason i keeped
quied an thought: well, with him as junior member i have no problem, we
can defer the discusson of adding him as medior or full member, as air
in this project is hot enough atm.

I'm realy disappointed, that you make missleading and wrong accusations
about me on the list! I have not left the project! I'm active part of
it! I spend so much hours in coding, the new website, the wiki, the
fourms the list-bridges and so on. Also in the relativly short time i'm
activly contributing code, i allready hold 5% of the codebase. And right
now i want to help in makeing eGroupWare more usable und more stable.
And again, it cost me very much. I do a lot of coding for egw in my
spare time!

After all we reached togehter in the project, i'm extreamly
disappointed, that you treat me now as an outsider and that you don't
care about my opinion on Nigel. You know exactly that i'm waiting for an
apology from him and that i made this to an precondition for working
with him again.

If you remeber the thing we had in the beginning of this year. Please
check the archives and see that i allways defended you and our your
position even thogh i was not of your opinion and internally i sometimes
thought that the accuations you got where right. But I understand it as
a part of being community that we stand together even if we are not of
the same opinion.

I hope that you get my point now and can uderstand why am such gutted.

cu
conny


Ralf Becker schrieb:

> Hi Conny,
>
> sorry, miss your point (beside the accusations with the bucks ...)
>
> Nigel has send about a dozen patches in the area of FMail, egw-pear and
> SyncML. These patches have been reviewed and commited by Klaus or me,
> that is the first stage in our NewMembers document you linked.
>
> Now Klaus and I think he's ready to get commit rights (next stage in the
> official process) and to be added as project member.
>
> That the procedure I followed since that rules have been drafted. Review
> this list and the commit logs, and you will see the announcement on the
> core list always happens at that stage and the new devels got commit
> rights with the condition to negotiate all commit with their mentors
> beforehand.
>
> And before the next accusation comes: making a Nigel a developer is a
> reaction on your announcements, please look at the dates (it's well
> before you/metaways send the announcement).
>
> And for the record, I received no money from anyone before asking on
> this list to make him a developer. What I received from Nigel was a
> bunch of patched, who helped the community alot to cope with the
> problems of the dropped support for FMail and SyncML by it's developer.
>
> Ralf
>
> Cornelius Weiss schrieb:
>  
>> Hi Ralf,
>>
>> it's a shame that you sell your friends and companions for the bucks
>> stylite pays you! You force us to talk about dirty detailes on public
>> lists. The looser is the project itslef, and that hurts me as i
>> personally spend 100dreds of my spare hours to help the community grow.
>>
>> Please realise that we have roules in our project anybody (this implies
>> you) has to stick to!
>> http://www.egroupware.org/index.php?page_name=wiki&wikipage=NewMembers
>>
>> I request you to deprive Nigel commit rights to our SVN if you have a
>> small rest of social braveness.
>>
>> cu
>> (a humanely disappointed) Conny
>>
>> Ralf Becker schrieb:
>>    
>>> As there have been no further objections, I added Nigel to the list of
>>> project members and assigned him commit rights for our svn repository.
>>>
>>> Hi Nigel,
>>>
>>> welcome on board the eGroupWare project :-)
>>>
>>> Please create a developer checkout (see
>>> www.egroupware.org/wiki/subversion) and negotiate all your commits 'til
>>> you become a full senior developer with Me or Klaus.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to more FMail and SyncML fixes or improvements.
>>>
>>> Ralf
>>>
>>> Ralf Becker schrieb:
>>>  
>>>      
>>>> I think most of you already know Nigel (one of the managers from
>>>> Stylite) from the developer meeting, he organized last year.
>>>>
>>>> He's quite active in debugging and fixing problem in SyncML and FMail.
>>>> So far I always reviewed and commited his patches.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor.
>>>> I will add him at the end of this week, if noone objects.
>>>>
>>>> Ralf
>>>>    
>>>>        
>>>  
>>>      
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[ralfbecker]

Hi Conny,

I wrote:

> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor.

Calling Nigel a "junior developer" was a joke on his age, and not a try
to actively misleading you. It is the common practice, that the
announcement / question on the core lists happens, when developers
become a "Medior member" and get commit rights.

And also for the record, I do not share the opinion eg. Lutz gave on the
lists, that Lars and you are no active members of the project anymore,
and therefore should have no votes.

What I wrote was an answer to Lars:
> To put that straight, you left the current eGroupWare code base and
> now want to object against people trying to help maintaining and
> improving it?

I still value your and Lars contribution to the eGroupWare codebase and
specially your non-code contributions as website, wiki and forum.

I have a problem with the dogmatic approach of eGroupware20, as it calls
the whole project to a waiting stage, 'til it's ready for a vote.

But all this is beside the point of this thread, which is about making
Nigel a "Medior member" of the eGroupWare project. I can not see he's
dealt with any different from all other developers I added to the
project before, beside of cause of Lars objection.

If you want to call for a vote about the decision to make Nigel a Medior
member, I will second you (so you dont need to get the required 20% of
the members to second your request to vote), as I'm sure I dealed with
this case the same way I did as with all similar requests in the last
years.

Ralf

Cornelius Weiss schrieb:

> Hi Ralf,
>
> you requested to add Nigel as junior member. According to our rules,
> junior members have no access to svn. If you had requested to add nigel
> as medior member, i would have objected also.
>
> My intend is not to flame on the lists. This was the reason i keeped
> quied an thought: well, with him as junior member i have no problem, we
> can defer the discusson of adding him as medior or full member, as air
> in this project is hot enough atm.
>
> I'm realy disappointed, that you make missleading and wrong accusations
> about me on the list! I have not left the project! I'm active part of
> it! I spend so much hours in coding, the new website, the wiki, the
> fourms the list-bridges and so on. Also in the relativly short time i'm
> activly contributing code, i allready hold 5% of the codebase. And right
> now i want to help in makeing eGroupWare more usable und more stable.
> And again, it cost me very much. I do a lot of coding for egw in my
> spare time!
>
> After all we reached togehter in the project, i'm extreamly
> disappointed, that you treat me now as an outsider and that you don't
> care about my opinion on Nigel. You know exactly that i'm waiting for an
> apology from him and that i made this to an precondition for working
> with him again.
>
> If you remeber the thing we had in the beginning of this year. Please
> check the archives and see that i allways defended you and our your
> position even thogh i was not of your opinion and internally i sometimes
> thought that the accuations you got where right. But I understand it as
> a part of being community that we stand together even if we are not of
> the same opinion.
>
> I hope that you get my point now and can uderstand why am such gutted.
>
> cu
> conny
>
>
> Ralf Becker schrieb:
>> Hi Conny,
>>
>> sorry, miss your point (beside the accusations with the bucks ...)
>>
>> Nigel has send about a dozen patches in the area of FMail, egw-pear and
>> SyncML. These patches have been reviewed and commited by Klaus or me,
>> that is the first stage in our NewMembers document you linked.
>>
>> Now Klaus and I think he's ready to get commit rights (next stage in the
>> official process) and to be added as project member.
>>
>> That the procedure I followed since that rules have been drafted. Review
>> this list and the commit logs, and you will see the announcement on the
>> core list always happens at that stage and the new devels got commit
>> rights with the condition to negotiate all commit with their mentors
>> beforehand.
>>
>> And before the next accusation comes: making a Nigel a developer is a
>> reaction on your announcements, please look at the dates (it's well
>> before you/metaways send the announcement).
>>
>> And for the record, I received no money from anyone before asking on
>> this list to make him a developer. What I received from Nigel was a
>> bunch of patched, who helped the community alot to cope with the
>> problems of the dropped support for FMail and SyncML by it's developer.
>>
>> Ralf
>>
>> Cornelius Weiss schrieb:
>>  
>>> Hi Ralf,
>>>
>>> it's a shame that you sell your friends and companions for the bucks
>>> stylite pays you! You force us to talk about dirty detailes on public
>>> lists. The looser is the project itslef, and that hurts me as i
>>> personally spend 100dreds of my spare hours to help the community grow.
>>>
>>> Please realise that we have roules in our project anybody (this implies
>>> you) has to stick to!
>>> http://www.egroupware.org/index.php?page_name=wiki&wikipage=NewMembers
>>>
>>> I request you to deprive Nigel commit rights to our SVN if you have a
>>> small rest of social braveness.
>>>
>>> cu
>>> (a humanely disappointed) Conny
>>>
>>> Ralf Becker schrieb:
>>>    
>>>> As there have been no further objections, I added Nigel to the list of
>>>> project members and assigned him commit rights for our svn repository.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nigel,
>>>>
>>>> welcome on board the eGroupWare project :-)
>>>>
>>>> Please create a developer checkout (see
>>>> www.egroupware.org/wiki/subversion) and negotiate all your commits 'til
>>>> you become a full senior developer with Me or Klaus.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to more FMail and SyncML fixes or improvements.
>>>>
>>>> Ralf
>>>>
>>>> Ralf Becker schrieb:
>>>>  
>>>>      
>>>>> I think most of you already know Nigel (one of the managers from
>>>>> Stylite) from the developer meeting, he organized last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's quite active in debugging and fixing problem in SyncML and FMail.
>>>>> So far I always reviewed and commited his patches.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's time he becomes a "junior" ;-) developer with me as mentor.
>>>>> I will add him at the end of this week, if noone objects.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralf
>>>>>    
>>>>>        
>>>>  
>>>>      
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