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New list bounces postings, cannot post

by Thomas Gramstad :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,

A new list in my Mailman installation refuses to let postings
from a subscriber and list administrator through (not sure if
this applies to all posters -- the list is new), and bounces
the postings instead. Below is the error message --
unfortunately in Norwegian -- maybe someone recognizes the
structure of the problem or has any suggestions or tips?

(The other, old lists at the server work just fine.)

Thomas Gramstad


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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:30:35 +0100                                      
From: mailman-bounces@...                        
To: stoppdld-owner@...                          
Subject: Returmelding som ikke ble fanget opp                              
Parts/Attachments:                                                          
   1   Shown     ~9 lines  Text                                            
   2   Shown    1.9 KB     Message, "Velkommen!"                            
   2.1 Shown     43 lines  Text                                            
----------------------------------------                                    

Den vedlagte meldingen ble mottatt som en returmelding, men enten er
formatet ukjent, eller så kunne ingen medlemsadresse plukkes ut av
meldingen. Denne epostlisten er konfigurert slik at alle ukjente
returmeldinger sendes til listeadministratoren(e).

For mer informasjon, se:
http://mailman.kunnskapsallmenning.no/mailman/admin/stoppdld/bounce




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Re: New list bounces postings, cannot post

by Mark Sapiro-3 :: Rate this Message:

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Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>
>A new list in my Mailman installation refuses to let postings
>from a subscriber and list administrator through (not sure if
>this applies to all posters -- the list is new), and bounces
>the postings instead. Below is the error message --
>unfortunately in Norwegian -- maybe someone recognizes the
>structure of the problem or has any suggestions or tips?
[...]
>From: mailman-bounces@...
>To: stoppdld-owner@...
>Subject: Returmelding som ikke ble fanget opp                              


The message is an uncaught bounce notification. This says either the
list posts are being sent to
stoppdld-bounces@... (or possibly
stoppdld-admin@...) instead of to
stoppdld@... or something is wrong with the
aliases or other MTA configuration so that mail to
stoppdld@... is being piped to the wrapper
with arguments "bounces stoppdld" instead of "post stoppdld".

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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: New list bounces postings, cannot post

by Thomas Gramstad :: Rate this Message:

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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> >
> >A new list in my Mailman installation refuses to let postings
> >from a subscriber and list administrator through (not sure if
> >this applies to all posters -- the list is new), and bounces
> >the postings instead. Below is the error message --
> >unfortunately in Norwegian -- maybe someone recognizes the
> >structure of the problem or has any suggestions or tips?
> [...]
> >From: mailman-bounces@...
> >To: stoppdld-owner@...
> >Subject: Returmelding som ikke ble fanget opp                              
>
>
> The message is an uncaught bounce notification. This says either the
> list posts are being sent to
> stoppdld-bounces@... (or possibly
> stoppdld-admin@...) instead of to
> stoppdld@... or something is wrong with the
> aliases or other MTA configuration so that mail to
> stoppdld@... is being piped to the wrapper
> with arguments "bounces stoppdld" instead of "post stoppdld".

The name of this list is
stoppdld-admin@..., in other words, "admin"
is a part of the list name. Is that a problem? Is "-admin" a reserved
suffix?

(Also, there is another separate list named
stoppdld@... )

Thomas Gramstad
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Re: New list bounces postings, cannot post

by Stephen J. Turnbull :: Rate this Message:

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Thomas Gramstad writes:

 > > The message is an uncaught bounce notification. This says either the
 > > list posts are being sent to
 > > stoppdld-bounces@... (or possibly
 > > stoppdld-admin@...) instead of to

 > The name of this list is
 > stoppdld-admin@..., in other words,
 > "admin" is a part of the list name. Is that a problem? Is "-admin"
 > a reserved suffix?

Yes.  It's a backward-compatibility alias for -bounces IIRC.

I think all you need to do is find the alias that was created for the
stoppdld list, remove it, and rebuild your aliases.

I'm on a list which like yours want both LIST and LIST-admin lists,
and has had that configuration without trouble for some years.  If you
can't resolve the problem I can ask the admins how they have managed
this.

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Re: New list bounces postings, cannot post

by Mark Sapiro-3 :: Rate this Message:

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Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>Thomas Gramstad writes:
>
> > > The message is an uncaught bounce notification. This says either the
> > > list posts are being sent to
> > > stoppdld-bounces@... (or possibly
> > > stoppdld-admin@...) instead of to
>
> > The name of this list is
> > stoppdld-admin@..., in other words,
> > "admin" is a part of the list name. Is that a problem? Is "-admin"
> > a reserved suffix?
>
>Yes.  It's a backward-compatibility alias for -bounces IIRC.
>
>I think all you need to do is find the alias that was created for the
>stoppdld list, remove it, and rebuild your aliases.


Yes. As Stephen says, assuming your MTA uses aliases, if you just
remove the one unnecessary stoppdld-admin alias from the stoppdld list
aliases, you should be fine.

Alternatively, depending on the MTA, just reordering the aliases may
help. I.e. move whichever list's aliases now come first to a point in
the file after the others.

If you use an MTA like Exim or other process that delivers mail
programatically without aliases, just remove the -admin suffix from
its list. It's only for backwards compatibility with 2.0 for bounce
processing and isn't needed.

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San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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