New task for the Art Project? Create high quality clipart galleries!

[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi all,

the website project discusses a way to present OpenOffice.org extensions
more prominently on the website.

One of the four main topics among these extensions are cliparts that can
be integrated in the program's gallery that is quite poor in comparison
to the cliparts in MS Office.

What do you think about creating new clipart galleries?

They can presented for download on the wiki, and if we consider them to
be good enough to become official, they should be moved to an official
artwork gallery and might be integrated in the core program in a second
step.

IMHO this might be an excellent opportunity for us to take a quite
important task for the program as well as to improve the Art Project's
position in the OOo community.

Do you think we could manage such a task?

It would consist of several steps:

- creation of the artwork
- integrating it in a new clipart gallery in OOo
- creating an extension for easy integration by the user

Clipart under Public Domain is available at the OpenClipart.org project
at http://www.openclipart.org.
Step two is a bit tricky as OOo doesn't import all complex vector files
without any problem, but I managed it for quite a number of files from
the clipart contest in 2006, so I'm confident that I remember how it worked.
For step three I'm going to provide a short how-to in the wiki.

There are a few extensions available already at the extension website
and at the PrOOo-Box the de-project provides:

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/GalleryDangerSigns
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/freie-schaltzeichen
http://live.prooo-box.org/de/html/gallery.html (sorry, German text)

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/oxygenoffice-gallery 
(non-free)

Does anybody know about other clipart extensions?

What are your thoughts in general?

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

I wrote:

>
> There are a few extensions available already at the extension website
> and at the PrOOo-Box the de-project provides:
>
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/GalleryDangerSigns
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/freie-schaltzeichen
> http://live.prooo-box.org/de/html/gallery.html (sorry, German text)
>
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/oxygenoffice-gallery
> (non-free)
>
> Does anybody know about other clipart extensions?

Not extensions, but all the entries of the clipart contest in 2006:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/Samples_Templates/User/gallery/index.html

Best regards
Bernhard

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[JZA]

We really need some better way to present this, even with the
http://www.opentemplate.org/ site we can get a more friendlier layout.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Bernhard Dippold <
bernhard@...> wrote:

>
> I wrote:
>
>>
>> There are a few extensions available already at the extension website
>> and at the PrOOo-Box the de-project provides:
>>
>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/GalleryDangerSigns
>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/freie-schaltzeichen
>> http://live.prooo-box.org/de/html/gallery.html (sorry, German text)
>>
>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/oxygenoffice-gallery
>> (non-free)
>>
>> Does anybody know about other clipart extensions?
>>
>
> Not extensions, but all the entries of the clipart contest in 2006:
>
> http://documentation.openoffice.org/Samples_Templates/User/gallery/index.html
>
> Best regards
> Bernhard
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[Nikash V. SINGH]

All quite on the Art front, =)

 
Hi Bernhard, all,

Bernhard Dippold <bernhard@...> wrote;
> What do you think about creating new clipart galleries?

I think this is a great idea and I do believe it will have all the positive results you mention below.
While I'm slightly busy these days (like everyone else) I'd love to chip in artwork to go towards OOo clipart.
I think this gives us the opportunity to make our clipart a little more consistent than Microsoft Office's too.
I'm on board.

Do you think there will be a list of "common" clipart desirables, like "person using computer", "computer connected to globe", "person making presentation"?

A list like this would be handy so Art members can pick what they can do. Also, since quite a few works will have people in them, maybe we could come up with a standard look and feel for these people?


Best regards. Nik. 260709.




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Subject: [art] New task for the Art Project? Create high quality clipart galleries!

Hi all,

the website project discusses a way to present OpenOffice.org extensions more prominently on the website.

One of the four main topics among these extensions are cliparts that can be integrated in the program's gallery that is quite poor in comparison to the cliparts in MS Office..

What do you think about creating new clipart galleries?

They can presented for download on the wiki, and if we consider them to be good enough to become official, they should be moved to an official artwork gallery and might be integrated in the core program in a second step.

IMHO this might be an excellent opportunity for us to take a quite important task for the program as well as to improve the Art Project's position in the OOo community.

Do you think we could manage such a task?

It would consist of several steps:

- creation of the artwork
- integrating it in a new clipart gallery in OOo
- creating an extension for easy integration by the user

Clipart under Public Domain is available at the OpenClipart.org project at http://www.openclipart.org.
Step two is a bit tricky as OOo doesn't import all complex vector files without any problem, but I managed it for quite a number of files from the clipart contest in 2006, so I'm confident that I remember how it worked.
For step three I'm going to provide a short how-to in the wiki.

There are a few extensions available already at the extension website and at the PrOOo-Box the de-project provides:

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/GalleryDangerSigns
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/freie-schaltzeichen
http://live.prooo-box.org/de/html/gallery.html (sorry, German text)

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/oxygenoffice-gallery (non-free)

Does anybody know about other clipart extensions?

What are your thoughts in general?

Best regards

Bernhard

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I'd be glad to help as much as I possibly can with my limited time.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Bernhard Dippold <
bernhard@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the website project discusses a way to present OpenOffice.org extensions
> more prominently on the website.
>
> One of the four main topics among these extensions are cliparts that can be
> integrated in the program's gallery that is quite poor in comparison to the
> cliparts in MS Office.
>
> What do you think about creating new clipart galleries?
>
> They can presented for download on the wiki, and if we consider them to be
> good enough to become official, they should be moved to an official artwork
> gallery and might be integrated in the core program in a second step.
>
> IMHO this might be an excellent opportunity for us to take a quite
> important task for the program as well as to improve the Art Project's
> position in the OOo community.
>
> Do you think we could manage such a task?
>
> It would consist of several steps:
>
> - creation of the artwork
> - integrating it in a new clipart gallery in OOo
> - creating an extension for easy integration by the user
>
> Clipart under Public Domain is available at the OpenClipart.org project at
> http://www.openclipart.org.
> Step two is a bit tricky as OOo doesn't import all complex vector files
> without any problem, but I managed it for quite a number of files from the
> clipart contest in 2006, so I'm confident that I remember how it worked.
> For step three I'm going to provide a short how-to in the wiki.
>
> There are a few extensions available already at the extension website and
> at the PrOOo-Box the de-project provides:
>
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/GalleryDangerSigns
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/freie-schaltzeichen
> http://live.prooo-box.org/de/html/gallery.html (sorry, German text)
>
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/oxygenoffice-gallery(non-free)
>
> Does anybody know about other clipart extensions?
>
> What are your thoughts in general?
>

[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi Nik, Martin, all,

Nikash V. SINGH schrieb:
> All quite on the Art front, =)

quite or quiet ? ;-)

>
>
> Hi Bernhard, all,
>
> Bernhard Dippold<bernhard@...>  wrote;
>> What do you think about creating new clipart galleries?
>
> I think this is a great idea and I do believe it will have all the
> positive results you mention below. While I'm slightly busy these
> days (like everyone else) I'd love to chip in artwork to go towards
> OOo clipart. I think this gives us the opportunity to make our
> clipart a little more consistent than Microsoft Office's too. I'm on
> board.
>

Thank you (both of you) for your joining this task - even if it will
take some time, it is worthwhile the time and effort.

> Do you think there will be a list of "common" clipart desirables,
> like "person using computer", "computer connected to globe", "person
> making presentation"?

I don't think that such a list does already exist, but it should really
be written down.

Should we ask the ux/renaissance team for support about that list?
>
> A list like this would be handy so Art members can pick what they can
> do. Also, since quite a few works will have people in them, maybe we
> could come up with a standard look and feel for these people?

A standard/official look and feel will be important for the  clipart
that will be integrated in the program itself.

But why not provide alternative themes the user can download from our
website/wiki?

This would allow every artist to add his/her clipart to the repository
as unofficial artwork. After a selection by the Art Project new clipart
galleries will be presented in the official galleries and at a second
step they might be integrated in the main program.

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Ivan M]

Hi Bernhard, all,

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Bernhard
Dippold<bernhard@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> the website project discusses a way to present OpenOffice.org extensions
> more prominently on the website.

Just for reference, the main messages relating to this discussion can
be found at
http://website.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=10849
and http://website.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=10856

> One of the four main topics among these extensions are cliparts that can be
> integrated in the program's gallery that is quite poor in comparison to the
> cliparts in MS Office.
>
> What do you think about creating new clipart galleries?
>
> They can presented for download on the wiki, and if we consider them to be
> good enough to become official, they should be moved to an official artwork
> gallery and might be integrated in the core program in a second step.
>
> IMHO this might be an excellent opportunity for us to take a quite important
> task for the program as well as to improve the Art Project's position in the
> OOo community.

A big +1, and I'd like to offer help as well.

The Gallery (click the picture frame icon in the standard toolbar) has
some very outdated artwork, especially in bullets and homepage -
dithered GIFs that would have blown people away last century but now
they're quite outdated. We might even propose getting rid of some
existing galleries (like the Homepage gallery - I don't envision many
people using these graphics... or maybe that's just wishful thinking
on my part :P). You can find the graphics files for existing galleries
in the basis/share/gallery folder.

With regards to clipart, I'm wondering about how this could be
implemented - would we just add a new gallery called 'Clipart'? If so,
then does anyone know if it's possible to have sub-galleries?
Otherwise browsing the clipart gallery could get difficult as the
collection grows - I know MS office has a search functionality and
keywords assigned to each image so that it can be categorized, but it
doesn't look like OOo has this functionality.

An alternative might be to have a gallery for each category of clipart
(though then we have the problem that if a clipart image can be
classified as more than one category, things get tricky - we'd have to
duplicate the images if there is no categorization and that would mean
redundancy).... just thinking out loud :)

> Do you think we could manage such a task?
>
> It would consist of several steps:
>
> - creation of the artwork
> - integrating it in a new clipart gallery in OOo
> - creating an extension for easy integration by the user

Do you envision creating the gallery as an extension first and then
integrating it into the main OOo, or creating some default artwork and
then creating additional extensions?

That's all I can add at this stage, but in the meantime I'll try to
get a better idea of how OOo's gallery works and what its limitations
are.

Regards,
Ivan.

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi Ivan, *

Ivan M schrieb:

> Hi Bernhard, all,
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Bernhard
> Dippold<bernhard@...>  wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> What do you think about creating new clipart galleries?
>>
>> They can presented for download on the wiki, and if we consider them to be
>> good enough to become official, they should be moved to an official artwork
>> gallery and might be integrated in the core program in a second step.
>>
>> IMHO this might be an excellent opportunity for us to take a quite important
>> task for the program as well as to improve the Art Project's position in the
>> OOo community.
>
> A big +1, and I'd like to offer help as well.
>
> [...]
>
> With regards to clipart, I'm wondering about how this could be
> implemented - would we just add a new gallery called 'Clipart'? If so,
> then does anyone know if it's possible to have sub-galleries?

I don't know about a possibility of sub-galleries, but this doesn't mean
that there is no chance to get it implemented.

> Otherwise browsing the clipart gallery could get difficult as the
> collection grows - I know MS office has a search functionality and
> keywords assigned to each image so that it can be categorized, but it
> doesn't look like OOo has this functionality.

No - not at the moment.
>
> An alternative might be to have a gallery for each category of clipart
> (though then we have the problem that if a clipart image can be
> classified as more than one category, things get tricky - we'd have to
> duplicate the images if there is no categorization and that would mean
> redundancy).... just thinking out loud :)

I'd propose different categorized clipart galleries - Redundancy might
not be a problem: If I remember correctly, the galleries consist only of
references, so a single image can be linked from different categories.
>
> Do you envision creating the gallery as an extension first and then
> integrating it into the main OOo, or creating some default artwork and
> then creating additional extensions?

I think we should start with creating the artwork,
then building extensions.
The Art project will have to decide on the style that should become
official - I'd like to present these galleries in the official artwork
galleries.
The final step would be to integrate the official clipart galleries in
the main program.

This would keep the chance to update the integrated clipart from time to
time.
>
> That's all I can add at this stage, but in the meantime I'll try to
> get a better idea of how OOo's gallery works and what its limitations
> are.

Thanks for joining this task!

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi Ivan, *,

Ivan M schrieb:
> Hi Bernhard, all,
>
> [...]
>
> The Gallery (click the picture frame icon in the standard toolbar) has
> some very outdated artwork, especially in bullets and homepage -
> dithered GIFs that would have blown people away last century but now
> they're quite outdated.

The bullets could be replaced quite easily - the second prize of the
template and clipart contest by the documentation project in 2006 has
been won by Andrew Dent for his bullet collection with alpha
transparency. Please have a look at
http://documentation.openoffice.org/contests/template_clipart_2006/winners.html

Best regards

Bernhard

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[Bernhard Dippold-2]

Hi Nik, all,

Nikash V. SINGH schrieb:
> [...]
>
> Do you think there will be a list of "common" clipart desirables,
> like "person using computer", "computer connected to globe", "person
> making presentation"?
>
> A list like this would be handy so Art members can pick what they can
> do.

I asked at the Users Experience Project (ux.openoffice.org), but at this
point nobody could give us more information.

The discussion raised some other topics I'm going to tell you about
during the next days.

If you are interested in this discussion, just have a look at the archives:
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=discuss&by=thread&from=2260128

With regard to the list, it seems that we'll probably have to define it
on our own.

If someone wants to start up with a draft at the wiki, I'd be glad to
join, otherwise it would stay on my to-do-list for the next days.

> Also, since quite a few works will have people in them, maybe we
> could come up with a standard look and feel for these people?
>
I think not only people (even at them it is quite obvious), but the
entire style of the "official" clipart should be consistent. That's what
we should discuss in my last mail.

Best regards

Bernhard

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