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New user with questions about recording sources
by Ken Walker-2
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I have just got started with genealogy and Gramps by taking over the
data my late father collected in a book 20 years ago. I was quite surprised that by the time I had entered the data he collected, there were over 700 people in it. So far all of the data I have is based on the work he did. From here I intend to add data collected from other sources. Mindful of the importance of being able, later, to identify the source of each piece of data, I am not quite sure how to proceed from here. Does it make sense at this point to try to add a source reference referring to my fathers book so that later, after data is entered from other sources, the source of each bit of data can be identified? Is there a way to add the same source note to every event/person in the database at this point without having to do it one at a time? Is that a good idea? Or would it make sense to keep this as a separate family file and create a separate file for information for other sources. That seems to me to be cumbersome or maybe even not workable since it would deal with mostly the same people. I have tried to get a sense of how to deal with this from the documents. Maybe when I get to know my way around I will see that I could have found these answers, so I hope I am not asking a question that is already answered. -- Ken Walker Qualicum Beach, BC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Benny Malengier
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2009/10/27 Ken Walker <kgw@...>:
> I have just got started with genealogy and Gramps by taking over the > data my late father collected in a book 20 years ago. I was quite > surprised that by the time I had entered the data he collected, there > were over 700 people in it. So far all of the data I have is based on > the work he did. From here I intend to add data collected from other > sources. Mindful of the importance of being able, later, to identify > the source of each piece of data, I am not quite sure how to proceed > from here. > > Does it make sense at this point to try to add a source reference > referring to my fathers book so that later, after data is entered from > other sources, the source of each bit of data can be identified? Is Yes, this makes a lot of sense. Of course, you could add for every new item a source, and then per definition everything that has no source is the data from your father. > there a way to add the same source note to every event/person in the > database at this point without having to do it one at a time? Is that a > good idea? It is a good idea, but I don't think there is a way to do it at the moment. There is the feature to add a source to imported data, but I think it is not working for our own .gramps data. If all your data can be stored in the GEDCOM format, you can create a new empty family tree, check in the preferences 'add default source on import', then import your data from a gedcom file you exported the other family with. We should enable this possibility also for our own data format.... > Or would it make sense to keep this as a separate family file and create > a separate file for information for other sources. That seems to me to > be cumbersome or maybe even not workable since it would deal with mostly > the same people. No, GRAMPS does not support merging at the moment. Some people are working on that to allow collaboration, but for now, you should keep only one instance of your data. > I have tried to get a sense of how to deal with this from the > documents. Maybe when I get to know my way around I will see that I > could have found these answers, so I hope I am not asking a question > that is already answered. Adding sources is very important. To simplify it for you, use the clipboard. Open it, and drag the source you want to share with other objects there, or the source reference you want to copy (source references are unique, they cannot be shared). When you need the source or sourcereference, just drag it to the object you need. Eg, for a birth certificate, you add a source, and for the first item you enter, eg new person, you add a reference to the source with in this reference the log date of the certificate in the source (birth registry parish St John eg) and eg in the notes a transcript of the certificate (don't forget to share this note also in the source itself). Then drag this source reference to the clipboard, and reuse it on the birth event of the person, creation of the witness persons, .... Benny > -- > Ken Walker > Qualicum Beach, BC > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gramps-users@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Doug_B
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Ken Walker wrote:
> I have just got started with genealogy and Gramps by taking over the > data my late father collected in a book 20 years ago. I was quite > surprised that by the time I had entered the data he collected, there > were over 700 people in it. So far all of the data I have is based on > the work he did. From here I intend to add data collected from other > sources. Mindful of the importance of being able, later, to identify > the source of each piece of data, I am not quite sure how to proceed > from here. > > Does it make sense at this point to try to add a source reference > referring to my fathers book so that later, after data is entered from > other sources, the source of each bit of data can be identified? Is > there a way to add the same source note to every event/person in the > database at this point without having to do it one at a time? Is that a > good idea? > > Or would it make sense to keep this as a separate family file and create > a separate file for information for other sources. That seems to me to > be cumbersome or maybe even not workable since it would deal with mostly > the same people. > > I have tried to get a sense of how to deal with this from the > documents. Maybe when I get to know my way around I will see that I > could have found these answers, so I hope I am not asking a question > that is already answered. > can record where the physical object is kept, etc. The book will also be a source, or perhaps several sources, eg. 'father's book text','family documents' inserted in the book, 'family photos' included in the book, etc. All these sources will have the same 'father's book' repository. The various bits of data will have one or more of these sources. I don't think there's any way to add a source to a whole batch of data at once; however once you've defined a source you can copy it to the clipboard. Then adding it to a lot of data, one at a time is much less tedious. Doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Gerald Britton-2
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> I'd be inclined to treat your father's book as a repository; then you
> can record where the physical object is kept, etc. NO NO NO! A book is a source; a repository is the place one should go to see that source, in this case, Ken's home. -- Gerald Britton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Duncan Lithgow-5
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Would anyone be willing to write a quick XML parsing script to fix
this guys problem? It's just a matter of looking for <event>,<place> etc where there is no <source> tag and putting one in with an reference to the source... It's regex beyond me, but could be done. Duncan -- Linux user #372812 | http://lithgow-schmidt.dk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Doug Blank-2
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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Duncan Lithgow
<duncan.lithgow@...> wrote: > Would anyone be willing to write a quick XML parsing script to fix > this guys problem? It's just a matter of looking for <event>,<place> > etc where there is no <source> tag and putting one in with an > reference to the source... It's regex beyond me, but could be done. How about if I write a gramps tool that allows one to add a (possibly shared) source to all of the objects? That would be easier (for me) and useful for the longer term... -Doug > Duncan > -- > Linux user #372812 | http://lithgow-schmidt.dk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gramps-users@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Benny Malengier
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2009/10/27 Doug Blank <doug.blank@...>:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Duncan Lithgow > <duncan.lithgow@...> wrote: >> Would anyone be willing to write a quick XML parsing script to fix >> this guys problem? It's just a matter of looking for <event>,<place> >> etc where there is no <source> tag and putting one in with an >> reference to the source... It's regex beyond me, but could be done. > > How about if I write a gramps tool that allows one to add a (possibly > shared) source to all of the objects? That would be easier (for me) > and useful for the longer term... I think these things a user does once are better done as a tool. For this one, a nice thing would be to use the timestamp, and have eg a way to say: add source S0005 to all records changed the last week. Then as with batch tools is normal, an overview of all objects that will have the source added, with the ability to remove some, and then Continue that does the batch operation. There are some tools to use as a base for that. Benny > > -Doug > >> Duncan >> -- >> Linux user #372812 | http://lithgow-schmidt.dk >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA >> is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your >> developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay >> ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference >> _______________________________________________ >> Gramps-users mailing list >> Gramps-users@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gramps-users@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Dave Marshall-2
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I would appreciate having
such a script. I have a similar problem. I am using a file that was
started 12-13 years ago when I was totally clueless about citing
sources. All of the old data came from family members memories. Now I
am trying to get the database in good shape to post online. I have a
little over 300 people to enter that same source.
Duncan Lithgow wrote: Would anyone be willing to write a quick XML parsing script to fix this guys problem? It's just a matter of looking for <event>,<place> etc where there is no <source> tag and putting one in with an reference to the source... It's regex beyond me, but could be done. Duncan -- Dave Marshall N8OAY n8oay@... N8OAY's Railfan Help Desk http://www.railfanswelcome.com All Ohio Scanner Club http://www.aosc.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Doug Blank-2
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Ok, for you users that have many good backup copies of your data, and
you want to try an experimental "Attach Source Tool", read on. Currently this only works for people objects, but in gramps3.2 we'll see if we can get this to work for all of the major objects. 1) Make sure you have backups of your data in gramps format (either package or xml). 2) Start a practice database, and import your gramps data into it. 3) Take the attached AttachSourceTool.py and place it in your user directory, in the .gramps/plugins/ folder. For more details, see: http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GRAMPS_User_Directory 4) Restart gramps, making sure to open the practice database 5) Select the tool from the Tool -> Database Processing -> Attach Source... >From the Options tab, select to whom you would like to attach a source, and whether you want to make it a new source, or an existing source. If you want to make it a new source, enter the source text that you would like to put in the title of the new source. If you would like to use an existing source, you need to know the ID of the source (such as "S00019") and enter that in the source ID location. When you are ready, press "Apply" a single source will be shared with all of these people. A results tab will appear. You can double-click a name link to bring up the person. You can go back to the Options tab and attach more sources, or close the window when done. If you want to delete the source, just go to the Source View, right click on the source, and select "Remove". To select a different set of people, you may need to create a new filter. You can create a new filter in the People View, from the menu Edit -> person Filter Editor. In the future, we should be able to add other objects, and their filters. Please let us know if that works for you, or if you have any problems. You might want to run Tools -> Database Repair -> Check and Repair database... afterwards to make sure everything looks ok. -Doug PS - for those really crazy users that are testing trunk, I've also attached a new .gpr.py plugin file. Put both of the files in your user plugins folder, and test it there. [AttachSourceTool.py] # # Gramps - a GTK+/GNOME based genealogy program # # Copyright (C) 2007 Donald N. Allingham # Copyright (C) 2008 Brian Matherly # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify # it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or # (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA # # $Id: $ "Attach Source Tool" #------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # python modules # #------------------------------------------------------------------------ from gettext import gettext as _ import time #------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # GRAMPS modules # #------------------------------------------------------------------------ from PluginUtils import Tool, PluginWindows, MenuToolOptions from gen.plug.menu import StringOption, FilterOption, PersonOption, \ EnumeratedListOption import gen.lib from BasicUtils import name_displayer import Errors from ReportBase import ReportUtils #------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Tool Classes # #------------------------------------------------------------------------ class AttachSourceOptions(MenuToolOptions): """ Attach Source options """ def __init__(self, name, person_id=None, dbstate=None): self.__db = dbstate.get_database() MenuToolOptions.__init__(self, name, person_id, dbstate) def add_menu_options(self, menu): """ Add the options """ category_name = _("Options") self.__filter = FilterOption(_("Person Filter"), 0) self.__filter.set_help(_("Select filter to restrict people")) menu.add_option(category_name, "filter", self.__filter) self.__filter.connect('value-changed', self.__filter_changed) self.__pid = PersonOption(_("Filter Person")) self.__pid.set_help(_("The center person for the filter")) menu.add_option(category_name, "pid", self.__pid) self.__pid.connect('value-changed', self.__update_filters) self.__update_filters() source_type = EnumeratedListOption(_("Source type"), 0) source_type.add_item(0, _("New source")) source_type.add_item(1, _("Existing source")) source_type.set_help(_("Select the type of source to attach")) menu.add_option(category_name, "source_type", source_type) source_type.connect('value-changed', self.__update_source_type) self.__source_type = source_type source_text = StringOption(_("New Source Title"), "") source_text.set_help(_("Text of source to attach")) menu.add_option(category_name, "source_text", source_text) self.__source_text = source_text source_id = StringOption(_("Existing Source ID"), "") source_id.set_help(_("ID of source to attach")) menu.add_option(category_name, "source_id", source_id) self.__source_id = source_id self.__update_source_type() def __update_source_type(self): """ Update the options based on the selected source type """ sid = self.__source_type.get_value() if sid == 0: self.__source_text.set_available(True) self.__source_id.set_available(False) else: self.__source_text.set_available(False) self.__source_id.set_available(True) def __update_filters(self): """ Update the filter list based on the selected person """ gid = self.__pid.get_value() person = self.__db.get_person_from_gramps_id(gid) filter_list = ReportUtils.get_person_filters(person, False) self.__filter.set_filters(filter_list) def __filter_changed(self): """ Handle filter change. If the filter is not specific to a person, disable the person option """ filter_value = self.__filter.get_value() if filter_value in [1, 2, 3, 4]: # Filters 0, 2, 3, 4 and 5 rely on the center person self.__pid.set_available(True) else: # The rest don't self.__pid.set_available(False) class AttachSourceWindow(PluginWindows.ToolManagedWindowBatch): def get_title(self): return _("Attach Source") def initial_frame(self): return _("Options") def run(self): source_type = self.options.handler.options_dict['source_type'] # 0 - new, 1 - lookup if source_type == 0: source_text = self.options.handler.options_dict['source_text'] self.trans = self.db.transaction_begin("",batch=True) source = self.create_source(source_text) else: source_id = self.options.handler.options_dict['source_id'] source = self.db.get_source_from_gramps_id(source_id) if source is None: # FIXME: show an error message return self.trans = self.db.transaction_begin("",batch=True) self.add_results_frame(_("Results")) self.results_write(_("Processing...\n")) self.db.disable_signals() self.filter_option = self.options.menu.get_option_by_name('filter') self.filter = self.filter_option.get_filter() # the actual filter # FIXME: use old style for gramps31 compatible # people = self.filter.apply(self.db, # self.db.iter_person_handles()) people = self.filter.apply(self.db, self.db.get_person_handles(sort_handles=False)) # FIXME: use old style for gramps31 compatible # num_people = self.db.get_number_of_people() num_people = len(people) self.results_write(_("Attaching sources...\n")) self.progress.set_pass(_('Attaching sources...'), num_people) count = 1 for person_handle in people: self.progress.step() person = self.db.get_person_from_handle(person_handle) sref = gen.lib.SourceRef() sref.set_reference_handle(source.get_handle()) person.add_source_reference(sref) self.db.commit_person(person, self.trans) self.results_write(" %d) " % count) self.results_write_link(name_displayer.display(person), person, person_handle) self.results_write("\n") count += 1 self.db.commit_source(source, self.trans) self.db.transaction_commit(self.trans, _("Attach Source")) self.db.enable_signals() self.db.request_rebuild() self.results_write(_("Done!\n")) def create_source(self, source_text): source = gen.lib.Source() source.set_title(source_text) self.db.add_source(source, self.trans) return source self.db.add_event(event, self.trans) return event try: from gen.plug import PluginManager pmgr = PluginManager.get_instance() pmgr.register_tool( name = 'Attach Source', category = Tool.TOOL_DBPROC, tool_class = AttachSourceWindow, options_class = AttachSourceOptions, modes = PluginManager.TOOL_MODE_GUI, translated_name = _("Attach Source"), status = _("Beta"), author_name = "Douglas S. Blank", author_email = "doug.blank@...", description= _("Attaches a shared source to multiple objects."), ) except: pass [AttachSourceTool.gpr.py] # # Gramps - a GTK+/GNOME based genealogy program # # Copyright (C) 2009 Douglas S. Blank <doug.blank@...> # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify # it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or # (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Doug_B
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Gerald Britton wrote:
>> I'd be inclined to treat your father's book as a repository; then you >> can record where the physical object is kept, etc. > > NO NO NO! A book is a source; a repository is the place one should > go to see that source, in this case, Ken's home. > Yes and No. I'd argue that a repository is an object that holds sources; it isn't a simple address. For example "Genes Reunited" would be a repository for me, not "http://www.genesreunited.co.uk". If the URL changed, that wouldn't make it a new repository, it would still be "Genes Reunited".Likewise a box file at my home containing old documents, etc.would be a repository, whose address will undoubtedly change when I pass it on to one of my descendants. Doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Benny Malengier
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2009/10/28 Nick from Chester <mrbumble28@...>:
>> Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] New user with questions about recording >> sources >> To: Duncan Lithgow <duncan.lithgow@...> >> Cc: gramps-users@... >> Message-ID: >> <cdaa4eb40910271400y1432fd54xfe063670bf14a228@...> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Duncan Lithgow >> <duncan.lithgow@...> wrote: >> > Would anyone be willing to write a quick XML parsing script to fix >> > this guys problem? It's just a matter of looking for <event>,<place> >> > etc where there is no <source> tag and putting one in with an >> > reference to the source... It's regex beyond me, but could be done. >> >> How about if I write a gramps tool that allows one to add a (possibly >> shared) source to all of the objects? That would be easier (for me) >> and useful for the longer term... >> >> -Doug > > Hi Doug, it would be nice tobe able to have a sources column in the > events table. Would that be possible? Nick An event can link to 4 or more sources, so what would you put in such a column? Also, when data from other objects is shown, this will affect performance, as the data must first be retrieved before it can be shown. Apart from the above, adding a column is technically very easy, it would not be much lines of code, but as said, the problem is more one of UI design and database performance. Benny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Richard Esplin-4
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I am new to the community, and it is impressive how active this group is. Thank you for producing GRAMPS and sharing it with others.
Is the classic "Cite your sources" the Lackey book? This is the one I found which appears to match your description: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0878052860 Is that the one you recommend using? Thank you, Richard Esplin On Wed 28 October 2009 12:48:05 Gerald Britton <gerald.britton@...> wrote: <snip> > More generally, I find it helpful to try to follow the classic "Cite > your sources" for these things. Even though it was written before the > Internet age, the principles it lays out are adaptable and have been > followed by genealogists -- both professional and amateur -- for > decades. <snip> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Gerald Britton-2
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On 10/28/09, Richard Esplin <richard-lists@...> wrote: > I am new to the community, and it is impressive how active this group is. > Thank you for producing GRAMPS and sharing it with others. > > Is the classic "Cite your sources" the Lackey book? This is the one I found > which appears to match your description: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0878052860 > > Is that the one you recommend using? > > Thank you, > > Richard Esplin > > On Wed 28 October 2009 12:48:05 Gerald Britton <gerald.britton@...> > wrote: > <snip> >> More generally, I find it helpful to try to follow the classic "Cite >> your sources" for these things. Even though it was written before the >> Internet age, the principles it lays out are adaptable and have been >> followed by genealogists -- both professional and amateur -- for >> decades. > <snip> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gramps-users@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > -- Sent from my mobile device Gerald Britton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Benny Malengier
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2009/10/28 Gerald Britton <gerald.britton@...>:
> I see where you're going though I still would argue that an object > (like a bible or a box or a file drawer) is not a repository; those > are things _in_ some repository. If you have a family bible that is > passed around (not sure that is such a good idea if it contains > valuable information, but that's just my opinion) then record the > repository as its customary or most frequent storage location. Of > course, even government archives and city libraries move or move some > of their contents from time to time. The best we can do is record the > repository for the source on the day we saw it. That gives the next > person a place to start to find the source. > > I don't think make a lot of sense to add an address field to a source. > It wouldn't be exportable, for one thing. More importantly, objects > (other than buildings) don't have addresses; they are _at_ addresses. > e.g. your car doesn't have an address; it has a permanent home (your > driveway at your house), making your property the "repository" for > your car, if you will. In your case, your family bible doesn't have > an address; it is normally _at_ some address, which is its repository. > In gramps you would record the address where it is usually found as > the repository. So the bookbinder wouldn't be included! > > More generally, I find it helpful to try to follow the classic "Cite > your sources" for these things. Even though it was written before the > Internet age, the principles it lays out are adaptable and have been > followed by genealogists -- both professional and amateur -- for > decades. > > I'm curious to know the advantage you gain in your own research from > making "Family Bible" a repository in gramps instead of a source? I > have a similar (falling apart) family bible, which is my gramps source > "Britton Family Bible." The repository is my house, where it > currently is. Even if I gave it to my brother or future > grandchildren, the reader of my family history would know where to > start to find it later, which is the point, I think. Just to come clear, I don't mind if a user wants to organize this workflow like that. The disadvantage is that the GRAMPS developers will not add support for such a workflow, but here that is probably no problem. I also like to split up my sources in some cases, to make them easier to handle. So I would then have a Source, 'Family Bible', and a Source 'Family Bible - section 1' My hope then is that in the future some support for source parts can be created inside of GRAMPS, so that large sources are easier to handle. Benny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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Re: New user with questions about recording sources
by Gerald Britton-2
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I'm still curious to know what you would do if you had several books
in your possession. Would you class each as a repository? But then that would mean changing all their addresses the next time you move (sounds tedious to me!) OTOH if your home was the repository, you'd only have one address to change. So, to fit your requirements (happily!) into the standard model, you'd have something like: Source: Family Bible, (Pub and Sons, NY, 1811), p. 12345, Doug's Home (2009) Source: Father's album, (no publisher), p. 456, Doug's Home (2009) Repository: Doug's Home, 1 Main St., Toadsuck, Texas, USA Does that make any sense? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:11 AM, doug <dougrb@...> wrote: > Gerald, > Sorry, I've just noticed our postings haven't been going to the list - my > fault. > > I think the discussion has reached a point where our differences are > becoming more metaphysical than substantial. > > I do agree the standard model is the one to encourage. > Only for uncommon occasions where the particular situation fits unhappily in > the standard model, do other Gramps options offer a more satisfactory way of > dealing with it. > > Doug > > > > > > Gerald Britton wrote: >> >> Well I would argue that your home, at your address, is the repository >> where you father's book can be found. I do think that that would be >> the standard model which we should encourage. Of course you are free >> to arrange your data as you feel is most convenient for your famy >> history. >> >> >> >> On 11/1/09, doug <dougrb@...> wrote: >>> >>> You describe the common situation. >>> However Gramps offers one the options of at least three types of >>> standard repository which are *not* places but 'receptacles' of records >>> (that will be found at some place). >>> >>> In my original response to the gramps-user who started this thread, I >>> suggested his father's book might perhaps contain a collection of >>> material besides just text. I had in mind something like a loose-leaf >>> book, which could equally well be described as an album. >>> >>> 'My Father's Book', of Type 'Album' and with my address, would then be >>> a perfectly regular Gramps Repository >>> >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> Gerald Britton wrote: >>>> >>>> A repository is more than "just an address." It is some establishment >>>> (e.g library, archive, your home, Google books) that _may_ have an >>>> address (and/or a web site), but is at least identifiable as a place >>>> to go to find the source. That's why my "Family Bible" is at the >>>> repository "Home of Gerald Britton." Whether I move or not, the >>>> repository stays the same, though its address may change. >>>> >>>> I thought it might be helpful to paraphrase a family bible entry from >>>> "Cite Your Sources," which is a standard we would do well to follow: >>>> >>>> "Family bible record of James Spears of Kentwood, LA, USA. The Holy >>>> Bible (New York, Zondervan, 1994), p. ii, owner (2009) Britney >>>> Spears, 1 Rodeo Drive, Los Angeles CA. >>>> >>>> The first part, up to "owner" is the source record. The second part >>>> describes the repository, which is where the bible was when we >>>> examined it. Britney may move (probably will!) but we know where the >>>> bible was in 2009 and know where to begin (call her up!) if we want to >>>> examine the source in person (good luck with that in Britney's case!) >>>> >>>> I think that it's important that we champion standard approaches to >>>> our records while remaining flexible. Otherwise, future generations >>>> (or even our immediate families) will be confused, not to mention >>>> professional genealogists. >>>> >>>> tain >> > > -- Gerald Britton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ Gramps-users mailing list Gramps-users@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
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