New wiki start page

[Adrian Buehlmann]

Since people seem to be pleased about the content at
http://mercurial.selenic.com/, I have restructured the start page
of the wiki accordingly.

Have a look at: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Mercurial

The previous navigation links can now be found at:
http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
(linked from the new start page).


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[Paul Moore-2]

2009/11/2 Adrian Buehlmann <adrian@...>:
> Since people seem to be pleased about the content at
> http://mercurial.selenic.com/, I have restructured the start page
> of the wiki accordingly.
>
> Have a look at: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Mercurial
>
> The previous navigation links can now be found at:
> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
> (linked from the new start page).

Yuk. Can I have the old page back, please? I'd revert myself, but I
don't want to start a fight over it.

Unless the wiki becomes the front page again, I don't want the wiki
link to take me to a page which has identical content to the front
page.

Paul.

PS And FWIW, I don't mind the look of the new page - having to click
on "Wiki" to get to the original wiki is fine by me. The restructured
wiki front page, on the other hand, needs a LOT of presentation
changes before I'd be happy seeing it as the front page.
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[Adrian Buehlmann]

On 02.11.2009 15:23, Paul Moore wrote:

> 2009/11/2 Adrian Buehlmann <adrian@...>:
>> Since people seem to be pleased about the content at
>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/, I have restructured the start page
>> of the wiki accordingly.
>>
>> Have a look at: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Mercurial
>>
>> The previous navigation links can now be found at:
>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
>> (linked from the new start page).
>
> Yuk. Can I have the old page back, please? I'd revert myself, but I
> don't want to start a fight over it.

The old content is at http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
Why is that bad?

If you revert I certainly re-revert. Quite disappointing, that you start
using the word "fight". Is that really needed?

Would it at least be possible to lave the new page for 24 hours
and then revert? So that others can see it as well?

> Unless the wiki becomes the front page again, I don't want the wiki
> link to take me to a page which has identical content to the front
> page.

My point is that the content at http://mercurial.selenic.com/
should be at http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Mercurial
so it is part of the wiki.

> Paul.
>
> PS And FWIW, I don't mind the look of the new page - having to click
> on "Wiki" to get to the original wiki is fine by me. The restructured
> wiki front page, on the other hand, needs a LOT of presentation
> changes before I'd be happy seeing it as the front page.
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[Adrian Buehlmann]

On 02.11.2009 15:37, Adrian Buehlmann wrote:

> On 02.11.2009 15:23, Paul Moore wrote:
>> 2009/11/2 Adrian Buehlmann <adrian@...>:
>>> Since people seem to be pleased about the content at
>>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/, I have restructured the start page
>>> of the wiki accordingly.
>>>
>>> Have a look at: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Mercurial
>>>
>>> The previous navigation links can now be found at:
>>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
>>> (linked from the new start page).
>> Yuk. Can I have the old page back, please? I'd revert myself, but I
>> don't want to start a fight over it.
>
> The old content is at http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
> Why is that bad?
>
> If you revert I certainly re-revert. Quite disappointing, that you start

                           ^ insert "won't" here (sorry, my bad)
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[Brodie Rao-2]

On Nov 2, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Adrian Buehlmann wrote:

> On 02.11.2009 15:23, Paul Moore wrote:
>> 2009/11/2 Adrian Buehlmann <adrian@...>:
>>> Since people seem to be pleased about the content at
>>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/, I have restructured the start page
>>> of the wiki accordingly.
>>>
>>> Have a look at: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Mercurial
>>>
>>> The previous navigation links can now be found at:
>>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
>>> (linked from the new start page).
>>
>> Yuk. Can I have the old page back, please? I'd revert myself, but I
>> don't want to start a fight over it.
>
> The old content is at http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
> Why is that bad?

I agree with Paul. Why do you need to duplicate content? Why would you  
want to read the same content you just read on a different page? I  
imagine most people visit the wiki in order to find further  
information that isn't on the homepage, i.e. the content you've moved  
to /Navigation. Making that even harder to find will only annoy people.
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[Adrian Buehlmann]

On 02.11.2009 15:23, Paul Moore wrote:

> 2009/11/2 Adrian Buehlmann <adrian@...>:
>> Since people seem to be pleased about the content at
>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/, I have restructured the start page
>> of the wiki accordingly.
>>
>> Have a look at: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Mercurial
>>
>> The previous navigation links can now be found at:
>> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
>> (linked from the new start page).
>
> Yuk. Can I have the old page back, please?

Done.
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[Paul Moore-2]

2009/11/2 Adrian Buehlmann <adrian@...>:
> The old content is at http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Navigation
> Why is that bad?

Because it takes 2 clicks from the current start page to get to
"Navigation". I understand that you're proposing that the wiki be put
back as the front page, so it goes back to being only one click. In
that case, I don't mind so much - but that's not what's happening at
the moment.

> If you revert I certainly re-revert. Quite disappointing, that you start
> using the word "fight". Is that really needed?

What I was getting at is that this *isn't* something that should turn
into a fight, but rather should be discussed. I'd rather the
discussion had happened before the change was made, but I'm not
looking to revert now, rather I'd like to open discussion.

Sorry if my wording was confusing.

> Would it at least be possible to lave the new page for 24 hours
> and then revert? So that others can see it as well?

No problem. But can we at least agree that if no other comments are
made, it gets reverted and if you still want to go ahead with the
change, you actively ask for views, and you get comments from the
people who developed the new front page, on whether they would be
willing to drop it in favour of your updated Wiki front page (I
suspect they wouldn't be...)

Ah, I see that you've actually already reverted. Thanks. Let's see
what people's views are.

My view: The wiki is fine, but I appreciate it's not ideal as a start
page for beginners. I generally like the look of the new page, and I'm
happy for the wiki to live behind that page, under the "Wiki" link. I
don't see any benefit to modifying the front page of the wiki to match
the content of the new static front page - that just makes things
harder to access. I have some concerns that editing the new front page
is harder, and so it's more effort to keep up to date. But I'm willing
to see how the maintainers cope with that before complaining.

I'd like to see the "Wiki" and "News" links separate. The "News" link
could point to the wiki Mercurial/NewsItems page. There's a test for
the website maintainers - how easy is it to do this?

Paul.
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