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No 64 bit CF8 standard?!
by Jeff Schoby
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Anyone have any friends in Adobe on the CF dev team that might be able to shed some light on WHY they chose not to offer CF8.0.1 in 64 bit for standard edition linux users? We're in the process of upgrading our webservers and it sure would have been nice to run -everything- 64 bit.
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Re: No 64 bit CF8 standard?!
by Wil Genovese
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I can ask about that this week at CF.Objective().
I think you can even contact Jason Delmore (Product Manager for Coldfusion at Adobe) on his blog. http://www.cfinsider.com/ He addresses this subject in this posting. http://www.cfinsider.com/index.cfm/2008/4/7/What-does-ColdFusion-64bit-mean-to-you#comments Wil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/message.cfm/messageid:4401 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.14 |
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Re: No 64 bit CF8 standard?!
by Cameron Childress
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I don't work for Adobe or speak for them, but I have two theories.
1) Product differentiation - holding back a few key enterprise level features has always been the differentiation between Std and Ent. Holding some features back for Ent may actually make the Std cheaper for the rest of us. 2) Cost - if there was a higher cost associated with adapting the 32 bit version to run on 64 bit they may want to pass along some of that cost to the people most likely to be demanding it the most/loudest, high end customers. Cost could be time or it could be a cost associated with any bundled 3rd party components within CF that had to be relicensed for 64 versions. I would guess that as 64 bit slowly takes over that all versions of CF would eventually be available as 64 bit. There are other Ent features that have trickled down into Std and I would think 64 bit would be similar. -Cameron On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Jeff Schoby <JAS@...> wrote: > Anyone have any friends in Adobe on the CF dev team that might be able to > shed some light on WHY they chose not to offer CF8.0.1 in 64 bit for > standard edition linux users? We're in the process of upgrading our > webservers and it sure would have been nice to run -everything- 64 bit. > > > > -- > Jeff Schoby > Unix/Network Admin > City of Columbia, Missouri > 573.874.6320 > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/message.cfm/messageid:4402 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.14 |
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Re: No 64 bit CF8 standard?!
by Jeff Schoby
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>1) Product differentiation - holding back a few key enterprise level
>features has always been the differentiation between Std and Ent. Holding >some features back for Ent may actually make the Std cheaper for the rest of >us. I would be fine with that if there were another 'step' or two between the pricing of Standard and Enterprise. That's quite a leap in pricing. >2) Cost - if there was a higher cost associated with adapting the 32 bit >version to run on 64 bit they may want to pass along some of that cost to >the people most likely to be demanding it the most/loudest, high end >customers. Cost could be time or it could be a cost associated with any >bundled 3rd party components within CF that had to be relicensed for 64 >versions. I just find it hard to believe that 32bit -> 64bit was a significant development cost compared to the rest of the 'enterprise' features that you get for the $7k for enterprise license. >I would guess that as 64 bit slowly takes over that all versions of CF would >eventually be available as 64 bit. There are other Ent features that have >trickled down into Std and I would think 64 bit would be similar. I guess my point is that I'd be awfully grumpy if 6 months down the road (or a few weeks down the road for that matter) they decide... oh well.. here.. here's a standard edition 64bit build. Right after I got all my servers done. That'd BITE... especially since we bought 8.x specifically so we would could run 64bit. Oh well. Live and learn, I suppose. Just damned annoying... it's not like it would cost them much in development to just have it out there. -- Jeff Schoby Unix/Network Admin City of Columbia, Missouri 573.874.6320 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/message.cfm/messageid:4403 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.14 |
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Re: No 64 bit CF8 standard?!
by Wil Genovese
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In less I'm totally wrong - there is only one code base or set of binaries
that you install and only the registration number determines if your in standard or enterprise mode. Did that change for the 8.0.1 update? Wil On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Dave Watts <dwatts@...> wrote: > > it's not like it would cost them much in development to just > > have it out there. > > You could say that about any single feature in CF Enterprise other than > the > Oracle driver. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! > http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/message.cfm/messageid:4405 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.14 |
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RE: No 64 bit CF8 standard?!
by Jeff Schoby
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Supposedly the 64bit installer won't take the std edition serial number...
then again...neither does the 32bit trial download either at the moment... *srednop* >>> Dave Watts <dwatts@...> 4/29/2008 2:38 PM >>> > In less I'm totally wrong - there is only one code base or > set of binaries that you install and only the registration > number determines if your in standard or enterprise mode. > Did that change for the 8.0.1 update? No, I don't think that changed. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/message.cfm/messageid:4407 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Linux/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=17837.14401.14 |
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