No EOL control in NB 6.1?

[swing_developer]

As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough  to elicit scepticism from some on the NB  team . 

By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now.

For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left.

Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized for not filing to the proper sub-component since I can't  find it on the screen anymore...

[Johnny Kewl]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Olsen" <kolsen@...>
To: <nbusers@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nbusers] An explanation (excuse?)

> Aloha all,
>
> I know what you mean Geertjan.....how do I describe this...
> Reading the entire text of software_visualization's message,  the part
> that  is most important  (I think) is: "Just today's bounty of bugs"
> That is the 'forest' not 'trees' view of netbeans.
> The individual bug reports are the trees, but the forest is infected with
> a fungus-among-us in the sheer quantity, and type of things that don't
> work.
> Among which are absolutely essential operations - repeat - absolutely
> essential operations, refactoring, code-completion, gui component
> renaming...criticals...
> Somebody with the power to do something to the code base en-masse needs to
> fly out here to honolulu hawaii and spend a couple of days working with
> me. If somebody wants to do that, I'll spiffy up my apt. in downtown
> waikiki, you can stay there, I'll find another place to be, I'll try to
> use netbeans to write my code, you record the problems encountered, and
> after work you can go find some fun-n-sun. A working vacation.  I'll make
> it happen if the netbeans core team wants to send a representative out
> here. It'll save you the hotel price, and I guarantee you'll end up
> agreeing with me that something really has to be done. The weather's great
> right now :)

So much moaning in paradise ;)
You in the place where I want them to bury me ;)
A one way ticket will do ;)
That volcano is putting on a show as well, I'd give up sex to see that, mind
you I'd change my mind if that sky news reporter (Sarah-Jane Mee) came to
the island, what a cutie....

I still think, that whats getting you down is the nature of open source, and
half your pain is in that area...

With open source you have to be extremely careful when selecting a tool...
For example in the area you're at, we decided that binding as a concept is
pretty cool, but we dont like the way its being used with dB's, and we dont
like the architecture generated for JTable/dB... its new, it will get
better, but we felt that after that initial generation, the nature of swing,
now very hidden... will take weeks to figure out... we felt that we'll end
up redoing the entire infratructure... it sounds like thats where you're at.

... we looked at JTables and JDBC tools built around the JTable model... and
one evening later, the dB's are done ;)
You got choices ;) and you 'have' to make those decisions... in the same way
its struts or vwp, not both, unless you suicidal ;)

The Java competition out there does cause a rift, an sucidal abyss for the
unintitiated, and again the nature of open source is deciding exactly how
you going to use one tool and not another, or both and how to apply them to
your project...

One things for sure... if a newbie dives into open source, grabs at all the
tools... they as good as dead, I wouldnt want to be the customer at the end
of that project.
NB is a good thing... its trying to consolidate and put together a single
solution platform.... but its a massive job and its not perfect yet.
I think the fragmentation of open source technologies is reflecting in
misdirected frustration with NB... and I think thats wrong, thats the
problem the NB guys are trying to solve...

... open source is cool, but so many approaches and tools is also hell...
hurry up NB and get it all consolidated, and btw, the way you binding dB
tools doesnt float my boat... is where you at... but stabbing the life saver
is not the answer.

Its easy to lock into tools that turn out not to be what you needed...
especially in the open source world... there I empathise, after that its the
nature of open source thats sinking your boat... I think ;)

The dB wizards, I'd agree, the framework is not there yet... but NB is the
best thing that has ever happened to Java ;)

 I think google for the JTable Model and Jdbc... and you may find some
happiness in paradise.
Otherwise, a one way ticket with Sarah-Jane Mee and an apartment that
overlooks the volcano... I'll do it all for you ;)

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[Don Millhofer]

If you say so. We can't move the code between versions of the NetBeans IDE without all sorts of headaches.  Incompetent I guess.

Don

At 06:18 PM 7/16/2008, you wrote:

It's an IDE.  How are you locked in?  The code can be moved to
Eclipse, IntelliJ or Emacs in a short period of time.

-Mike
http://thespanishsite.com



On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Don Millhofer <dmillhofer@...> wrote:
> A friend, another small development shop, told me not to bet the business on
> NetBeans.  At the time I was using NetBeans to develop desktop apps with
> success.  But now trying to roll out web solutions in a timely manner I
> understand all to well what he meant.  We can work around issues in Java,
> there are a lot of different approaches but when the IDE in misbehaving it
> can drive the whole team nuts and time lines fall a part.  Its too late for
> us we are committed to NetBeans.
>
> Don
>

[Kurt Olsen-3]

Thanks Tim, I installed the two things mercurial needed but didn't check
see if it's working yet.
I'm in the final stages of finishing my app (beta) and haven't had time
to try again.

I put some screenshots of my nemesis online at:

http://kurt6string.homeip.net/images

Take Care,
Kurt


Tim Boudreau wrote:

> Kurt Olsen-3 wrote:
>  
>> I've been so irritated at the gui designer in 6.1/6.5m1 that I decided
>> to download all the sources and try building this beast.
>> So, I find that its in a mercurial repository. Fine, I remember reading
>> that netbeans came with mercurial support, which I've never used before.
>> I go to the versioning menu and lo-and-behold there it is......but it
>> doesn't work at all...
>>
>>    
>
> Others have done an admirable job replying to this thread, so I'll keep this
> short.
>
> I would love to see Jython reach the point where it could run Mercurial
> inside the Java process - that's probably the right way to do that sort of
> integration.  Then python runtimes, etc. could be dispensed with.  Last I
> heard, Jython isn't at a point where it's safe to do that - but I'd love to
> hear otherwise.  It's particularly important that version control systems
> work *perfectly* or they can turn a users files into hamburger.  More than
> any other kind of external tool, it's a place where being very very
> conservative seems to me to be a healthy attitude.
>
> The alternative is rewriting Mercurial in Java, which is a permanent game of
> catch-up to stay current with it - and then you still have to somehow handle
> Mercurial plug-ins (implement them in Java too?  Whose favorite would get
> left out?).
>
> The last alternative, and what you appear to be suggesting, is to bundle
> Mercurial + Python with NetBeans, for all platforms.  There are a number of
> serious problems with this.  Not the least of which is simply the
> person-hours to do it, much less test that the installation works on all
> flavors of Windows, Mac OS, Linux and Solaris when, if it doesn't, the
> person testing it doesn't actually have the ability to fix the bug because
> they didn't write the installer for python or mercurial.  Throw on top of
> that the fact that Linux and Solaris both have their own packaging systems
> (in the case of Linux, many, many packaging systems) that want you to
> install software *their* way, and doing otherwise bollixes things up.
>
> I haven't tried setting up/running Hg on Windows;  I believe it could be
> more difficult than on other OS's (I just built it from source on my mac) as
> it's pretty Unixy.  At any rate, I'm sorry you're having difficulties, and
> hope that this explains some of why things are as they are.
>
> -Tim
>  

[Kurt Olsen-3]

The bummer for me is I've been working on this app so hard I've not gone
to the beach all summer....
Maybe that's my problem....I should just go get an attitude adjustment
in the surf...........
Kurt

[Melongo Annabel]

Some parts of this message have been removed. Learn more about Nabble's security policy.

Johnny,

That's really good. I like your prose and the way you've so intuitively mixed it with the subject.

 

And now to all, please give Kurt a break. We have all been a little over board in our emotions but I don't see a reason for a crucifix.....

----- Original Message ----
From: Johnny Kewl <john@...>
To: nbusers@...
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:46:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nbusers] An explanation (excuse?)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Olsen" <kolsen@...>
To: <nbusers@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nbusers] An explanation (excuse?)

> Aloha all,
>
> I know what you mean Geertjan.....how do I describe this...
> Reading the entire text of software_visualization's message,  the part
> that  is most important  (I think) is: "Just today's bounty of bugs"
> That is the 'forest' not 'trees' view of netbeans.
> The individual bug reports are the trees, but the forest is infected with
> a fungus-among-us in the sheer quantity, and type of things that don't
> work.
> Among which are absolutely essential operations - repeat - absolutely
> essential operations, refactoring, code-completion, gui component
> renaming...criticals...
> Somebody with the power to do something to the code base en-masse needs to
> fly out here to honolulu hawaii and spend a couple of days working with
> me. If somebody wants to do that, I'll spiffy up my apt. in downtown
> waikiki, you can stay there, I'll find another place to be, I'll try to
> use netbeans to write my code, you record the problems encountered, and
> after work you can go find some fun-n-sun. A working vacation.  I'll make
> it happen if the netbeans core team wants to send a representative out
> here. It'll save you the hotel price, and I guarantee you'll end up
> agreeing with me that something really has to be done. The weather's great
> right now :)

So much moaning in paradise ;)
You in the place where I want them to bury me ;)
A one way ticket will do ;)
That volcano is putting on a show as well, I'd give up sex to see that, mind
you I'd change my mind if that sky news reporter (Sarah-Jane Mee) came to
the island, what a cutie....

I still think, that whats getting you down is the nature of open source, and
half your pain is in that area...

With open source you have to be extremely careful when selecting a tool...
For example in the area you're at, we decided that binding as a concept is
pretty cool, but we dont like the way its being used with dB's, and we dont
like the architecture generated for JTable/dB... its new, it will get
better, but we felt that after that initial generation, the nature of swing,
now very hidden... will take weeks to figure out... we felt that we'll end
up redoing the entire infratructure... it sounds like thats where you're at.

... we looked at JTables and JDBC tools built around the JTable model... and
one evening later, the dB's are done ;)
You got choices ;) and you 'have' to make those decisions... in the same way
its struts or vwp, not both, unless you suicidal ;)

The Java competition out there does cause a rift, an sucidal abyss for the
unintitiated, and again the nature of open source is deciding exactly how
you going to use one tool and not another, or both and how to apply them to
your project...

One things for sure... if a newbie dives into open source, grabs at all the
tools... they as good as dead, I wouldnt want to be the customer at the end
of that project.
NB is a good thing... its trying to consolidate and put together a single
solution platform.... but its a massive job and its not perfect yet.
I think the fragmentation of open source technologies is reflecting in
misdirected frustration with NB... and I think thats wrong, thats the
problem the NB guys are trying to solve...

... open source is cool, but so many approaches and tools is also hell...
hurry up NB and get it all consolidated, and btw, the way you binding dB
tools doesnt float my boat... is where you at... but stabbing the life saver
is not the answer.

Its easy to lock into tools that turn out not to be what you needed...
especially in the open source world... there I empathise, after that its the
nature of open source thats sinking your boat... I think ;)

The dB wizards, I'd agree, the framework is not there yet... but NB is the
best thing that has ever happened to Java ;)

I think google for the JTable Model and Jdbc... and you may find some
happiness in paradise.
Otherwise, a one way ticket with Sarah-Jane Mee and an apartment that
overlooks the volcano... I'll do it all for you ;)

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[Kurt Olsen-3]

Thanks Melongo, I'm turning down my rhetoric too, I've appreciate all
the feedback, and everyone's opinions.

Melongo Annabel wrote:

> Johnny,
> That's really good. I like your prose and the way you've so
> intuitively mixed it with the subject.
>  
> And now to all, please give Kurt a break. We have all been a little
> over board in our emotions but I don't see a reason for a crucifix.....
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Johnny Kewl <john@...>
> To: nbusers@...
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:46:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nbusers] An explanation (excuse?)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kurt Olsen" <kolsen@...
> <mailto:kolsen@...>>
> To: <nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...>>
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [nbusers] An explanation (excuse?)
>
>
> > Aloha all,
> >
> > I know what you mean Geertjan.....how do I describe this...
> > Reading the entire text of software_visualization's message,  the part
> > that  is most important  (I think) is: "Just today's bounty of bugs"
> > That is the 'forest' not 'trees' view of netbeans.
> > The individual bug reports are the trees, but the forest is infected
> with
> > a fungus-among-us in the sheer quantity, and type of things that don't
> > work.
> > Among which are absolutely essential operations - repeat - absolutely
> > essential operations, refactoring, code-completion, gui component
> > renaming...criticals...
> > Somebody with the power to do something to the code base en-masse
> needs to
> > fly out here to honolulu hawaii and spend a couple of days working with
> > me. If somebody wants to do that, I'll spiffy up my apt. in downtown
> > waikiki, you can stay there, I'll find another place to be, I'll try to
> > use netbeans to write my code, you record the problems encountered, and
> > after work you can go find some fun-n-sun. A working vacation.  I'll
> make
> > it happen if the netbeans core team wants to send a representative out
> > here. It'll save you the hotel price, and I guarantee you'll end up
> > agreeing with me that something really has to be done. The weather's
> great
> > right now :)
>
> So much moaning in paradise ;)
> You in the place where I want them to bury me ;)
> A one way ticket will do ;)
> That volcano is putting on a show as well, I'd give up sex to see
> that, mind
> you I'd change my mind if that sky news reporter (Sarah-Jane Mee) came to
> the island, what a cutie....
>
> I still think, that whats getting you down is the nature of open
> source, and
> half your pain is in that area...
>
> With open source you have to be extremely careful when selecting a tool...
> For example in the area you're at, we decided that binding as a
> concept is
> pretty cool, but we dont like the way its being used with dB's, and we
> dont
> like the architecture generated for JTable/dB... its new, it will get
> better, but we felt that after that initial generation, the nature of
> swing,
> now very hidden... will take weeks to figure out... we felt that we'll
> end
> up redoing the entire infratructure... it sounds like thats where
> you're at.
>
> ... we looked at JTables and JDBC tools built around the JTable
> model... and
> one evening later, the dB's are done ;)
> You got choices ;) and you 'have' to make those decisions... in the
> same way
> its struts or vwp, not both, unless you suicidal ;)
>
> The Java competition out there does cause a rift, an sucidal abyss for
> the
> unintitiated, and again the nature of open source is deciding exactly how
> you going to use one tool and not another, or both and how to apply
> them to
> your project...
>
> One things for sure... if a newbie dives into open source, grabs at
> all the
> tools... they as good as dead, I wouldnt want to be the customer at
> the end
> of that project.
> NB is a good thing... its trying to consolidate and put together a single
> solution platform.... but its a massive job and its not perfect yet.
> I think the fragmentation of open source technologies is reflecting in
> misdirected frustration with NB... and I think thats wrong, thats the
> problem the NB guys are trying to solve...
>
> ... open source is cool, but so many approaches and tools is also hell...
> hurry up NB and get it all consolidated, and btw, the way you binding dB
> tools doesnt float my boat... is where you at... but stabbing the life
> saver
> is not the answer.
>
> Its easy to lock into tools that turn out not to be what you needed...
> especially in the open source world... there I empathise, after that
> its the
> nature of open source thats sinking your boat... I think ;)
>
> The dB wizards, I'd agree, the framework is not there yet... but NB is
> the
> best thing that has ever happened to Java ;)
>
> I think google for the JTable Model and Jdbc... and you may find some
> happiness in paradise.
> Otherwise, a one way ticket with Sarah-Jane Mee and an apartment that
> overlooks the volcano... I'll do it all for you ;)
>
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>
>

[Bayless Kirtley]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Johnny Kewl" <john@...>
To: <nbusers@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nbusers] An explanation (excuse?)

extra stuff omitted...

>
> >
> I think google for the JTable Model and Jdbc... and you may find some
> happiness in paradise.
> Otherwise, a one way ticket with Sarah-Jane Mee and an apartment that
> overlooks the volcano... I'll do it all for you ;)
>
>

Unfortunately Johnny, you can't see the volcano from Waikiki :-(

Bayless

[Bayless Kirtley]

Man that would work for me Kurt. I was there last November, probably just
down the street from you, and I'm ready to go back.

Bayless

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Olsen" <kolsen@...>
To: <nbusers@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:03 PM
Subject: [nbusers] Programming in Paradise

> The bummer for me is I've been working on this app so hard I've not gone
> to the beach all summer....
> Maybe that's my problem....I should just go get an attitude adjustment in
> the surf...........
> Kurt
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database:
> 270.5.0/1558 - Release Date: 7/17/2008 9:56 AM
>
>
>

[Kurt Olsen-3]

Well when you get back here, look me up and we'll do that beer-by-the-beach!
Lord knows I could use it!

Bayless Kirtley wrote:

> Man that would work for me Kurt. I was there last November, probably
> just down the street from you, and I'm ready to go back.
>
> Bayless
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Olsen"
> <kolsen@...>
> To: <nbusers@...>
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:03 PM
> Subject: [nbusers] Programming in Paradise
>
>
>> The bummer for me is I've been working on this app so hard I've not
>> gone to the beach all summer....
>> Maybe that's my problem....I should just go get an attitude
>> adjustment in the surf...........
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus
>> Database: 270.5.0/1558 - Release Date: 7/17/2008 9:56 AM
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Johnny Kewl]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Olsen" <kolsen@...>
To: <nbusers@...>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:03 AM
Subject: [nbusers] Programming in Paradise


> The bummer for me is I've been working on this app so hard I've not gone
> to the beach all summer....
> Maybe that's my problem....I should just go get an attitude adjustment in
> the surf...........
> Kurt

It sounds like you working too hard... know the feeling ;)
Watch sky news... Sarah-Jane Mee makes the world a better place... even when
she's talking about the fuel price, inflation, and general world chaos... ha
ha.
It could be worse... you could live next door to a dictator killing all his
people, and have to run a generator just to see Netbeans, and the client
wants dotNet... ha ha.

[Kurt Olsen-3]

Thanks Johnny, I appreciate that, and you're right about it could be worse!

>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Olsen"
> <kolsen@...>
> To: <nbusers@...>
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:03 AM
> Subject: [nbusers] Programming in Paradise
>
>
>> The bummer for me is I've been working on this app so hard I've not
>> gone to the beach all summer....
>> Maybe that's my problem....I should just go get an attitude
>> adjustment in the surf...........
>> Kurt
>
> It sounds like you working too hard... know the feeling ;)
> Watch sky news... Sarah-Jane Mee makes the world a better place...
> even when she's talking about the fuel price, inflation, and general
> world chaos... ha ha.
> It could be worse... you could live next door to a dictator killing
> all his people, and have to run a generator just to see Netbeans, and
> the client wants dotNet... ha ha.
>

[Petr.Cyhelsky]

Hi,
Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one
and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example
http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124.
Petr Cyhelsky


On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization
<softwarevisualization@...> wrote:
As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead
on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough  to
elicit scepticism
<http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>from
some on the NB  team .

By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I
delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely
blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now.

For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like......
totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java
coffee logo on the upper left.

Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll
be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for
not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't  find it on the
screen anymore/...


_

[swing_developer]

No I'm not using it.... drat!

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@...> wrote:

Hi,
Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124.
Petr Cyhelsky


On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote:
As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough  to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>from some on the NB  team .

By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now.

For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left.

Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't  find it on the screen anymore/...


_

[Nan Null]

Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump?  Then post that as an attachment to the bug report?

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote:

No I'm not using it.... drat!

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@...> wrote:

Hi,
Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124.
Petr Cyhelsky


On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote:
As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough  to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>from some on the NB  team .

By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now.

For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left.

Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't  find it on the screen anymore/...


_

[swing_developer]

There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch:

 MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans

nets you the blank screen with no output .

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@...> wrote:

Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump?  Then post that as an attachment to the bug report?

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote:

No I'm not using it.... drat!

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@...> wrote:

Hi,
Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124.
Petr Cyhelsky


On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote:
As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough  to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>from some on the NB  team .

By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now.

For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left.

Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't  find it on the screen anymore/...


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[philvh]

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You must intentionally generate the thread dump.  Here's how to do it:

http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump

----- Original Message ----
From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@...>
To: nbusers@...
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated

There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch:

 MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans

nets you the blank screen with no output .

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@...> wrote:

Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump?  Then post that as an attachment to the bug report?

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote:

No I'm not using it.... drat!

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@...> wrote:

Hi,
Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124.
Petr Cyhelsky


On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote:
As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough  to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>from some on the NB  team .

By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now.

For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left.

Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't  find it on the screen anymore/...


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[Tim Boudreau]

Kurt Olsen-3 wrote:

Thanks Tim, I installed the two things mercurial needed but didn't check
see if it's working yet.
I'm in the final stages of finishing my app (beta) and haven't had time
to try again.

I put some screenshots of my nemesis online at:

http://kurt6string.homeip.net/images

Take Care,
Kurt

That's a sweet looking app!  I'd love to have a map view of the hops when doing a traceroute (if that's what it really does - I'm assuming that from the screen shot)!  Are you using native code to get the info about the network adapters, or parsing output from ifconfig and traceroute or similar?

It also looks like something that would be a great candidate for building on the NetBeans Platform ( http://platform.netbeans.org/ ) - you'd probably be able to delete a bunch of plumbing (windowing, actions) code - but it might take a bit of work to get exactly that same look, so I can't say if it's a perfect fit.

-Tim

[Mithun Gonsalvez]

That App Looks Great :-)

- Mithun

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Tim Boudreau <tboudreau@...> wrote:

Kurt Olsen-3 wrote:
>
> Thanks Tim, I installed the two things mercurial needed but didn't check
> see if it's working yet.
> I'm in the final stages of finishing my app (beta) and haven't had time
> to try again.
>
> I put some screenshots of my nemesis online at:
>
> http://kurt6string.homeip.net/images
>
> Take Care,
> Kurt
>

That's a sweet looking app!  I'd love to have a map view of the hops when
doing a traceroute (if that's what it really does - I'm assuming that from
the screen shot)!  Are you using native code to get the info about the
network adapters, or parsing output from ifconfig and traceroute or similar?

It also looks like something that would be a great candidate for building on
the NetBeans Platform ( http://platform.netbeans.org/ ) - you'd probably be
able to delete a bunch of plumbing (windowing, actions) code - but it might
take a bit of work to get exactly that same look, so I can't say if it's a
perfect fit.

-Tim


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[Thufir]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:02:55 -0700, Wade Chandler wrote:

> I for one like not having
> everything installed by the IDE. If I am not going to use Mercurial,
> then I don't want it.



Ditto.  Keep the IDE minimal, this is what plugins are *for*.



-Thufir