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	Re: An explanation (excuse?) by Thufir :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:57:44 -0400, Don Millhofer wrote: > We can work around issues in > Java, there are a lot of different approaches but when the IDE in > misbehaving it can drive the whole team nuts and time lines fall a part. > Its too late for us we are committed to NetBeans. Would you give some specifics? I'm learning Java and greatly prefer NB so would be interested in its weaknesses. -Thufir
	Re: The meaning of Integrated and some RapidView screenshots by Kurt Olsen-3 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Thanks Tim, Our Co. is about to launch a new family of rugged (indestructible instant networking) wireless routers that use the Optimized Link State Routing Protocol to form self-healing mesh networks. The RapidView application (screenshots) is talking to a servlet, running on our hardware (courtesy of osgi) which in turn is obtaining the topology from the routing protocol. The application then graphs the interconnections the mesh nodes have formed (and no, we're not really hopping islands yet). It also performs the admin functions for the nodes, but most work in the future will be in the graphing, and in allowing others to install software on the mesh nodes. Since our hardware are linux boxes running java and osgi we are setting up a system where other developers can develop client/server apps and deploy them in the field, where there is no, or limited access to the internet. I decided not to base the software off of either of the eclipse or netbeans platforms. I spent a month considering it, and trying both of them but the overall learning curve wasn't worth the effort in my case, and very much doubt our customers would appreciate being forced to learn it either. Enter JSR 296 - Now that is an appframework that is just-right...Little bitty thing, provides everything I need in a framework for an app of this size, and when you add derby, hibernate, ejb3 and JSR295 (bean binding) I had everything I needed. It's a winning stack in my opinion. Kurt Tim Boudreau wrote: > Kurt Olsen-3 wrote: > >> Thanks Tim, I installed the two things mercurial needed but didn't check >> see if it's working yet. >> I'm in the final stages of finishing my app (beta) and haven't had time >> to try again. >> >> I put some screenshots of my nemesis online at: >> >> http://kurt6string.homeip.net/images >> >> Take Care, >> Kurt >> >> > > That's a sweet looking app! I'd love to have a map view of the hops when > doing a traceroute (if that's what it really does - I'm assuming that from > the screen shot)! Are you using native code to get the info about the > network adapters, or parsing output from ifconfig and traceroute or similar? > > It also looks like something that would be a great candidate for building on > the NetBeans Platform ( http://platform.netbeans.org/ ) - you'd probably be > able to delete a bunch of plumbing (windowing, actions) code - but it might > take a bit of work to get exactly that same look, so I can't say if it's a > perfect fit. > > -Tim > > >
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@...> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> To: nbusers@... Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@...> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@...> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by joshis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi! Did you try Ctrl+'\'... You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... Petr D. software visualization wrote: > Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. > Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the > console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying > please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe > from the command line. > > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@... > <mailto:hovh03@...>> wrote: > > > You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: > > http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> > To: nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM > Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated > > There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to > launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: > > MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans > > nets you the blank screen with no output . > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@... > <mailto:null.nan@...>> wrote: > > > Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out > the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug > report? > > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: > > No I'm not using it.... drat! > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky > <Petr.Cyhelsky@... <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>> wrote: > > Hi, > Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this > issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but > in compiz/jdk - see for example > http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. > Petr Cyhelsky > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software > visualization <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: > As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has > gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after > displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>from > some on the NB team . > By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) > and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the > attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I > get when I launch NB now. > > For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, > blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X > on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the > upper left. > > Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a > little worried I'll be criticized > <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for > not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't > find it on the screen anymore/... > > > _ > > > > > > My websites: English: http://wiki.netbeans.org/PetrDvorak English: http://blogs.sun.com/joshis Czech: http://joshis.iprofil.cz/
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Nan Null :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message What is your OS? Do you use Windows or Linux? The key combination is not the same for the two platforms. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:42 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@...> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> To: nbusers@... Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@...> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@...> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Not really sure how to use those programs. Tried running nb.exe from within bin/jps but nothing happened. Not familiar with JPS what it requires in terms of arguments .. -help didn't really tell me anything at all. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: Hi! Did you try Ctrl+'\'... You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... Petr D. software visualization wrote: Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...>> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> To: nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@... <mailto:null.nan@...>> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@... <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Website for the tool didn't really clear much up for me. I'm just going to reinstall. Really have to get work done :( On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Not really sure how to use those programs. Tried running nb.exe from within bin/jps but nothing happened. Not familiar with JPS what it requires in terms of arguments .. -help didn't really tell me anything at all. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: Hi! Did you try Ctrl+'\'... You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... Petr D. software visualization wrote: Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...>> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> To: nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@... <mailto:null.nan@...>> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@... <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... I will try to get around to reading the documentation on JPS again. Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... snooping around in the usual areas on Windows, I didn't see any PID for the processes . I am not sure if localhost is the host JPS is looking for as a parameter or what. I'll try to make sense of it tonight. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:04 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Website for the tool didn't really clear much up for me. I'm just going to reinstall. Really have to get work done :( On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Not really sure how to use those programs. Tried running nb.exe from within bin/jps but nothing happened. Not familiar with JPS what it requires in terms of arguments .. -help didn't really tell me anything at all. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: Hi! Did you try Ctrl+'\'... You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... Petr D. software visualization wrote: Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...>> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> To: nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@... <mailto:null.nan@...>> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@... <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Geertjan Wielenga :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message software visualization wrote: > OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... I will > try to get around to reading the documentation on JPS again. Actaully, > I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... snooping > around in the usual areas on Windows, I didn't see any PID for the > processes . I am not sure if localhost is the host JPS is looking for > as a parameter or what. I'll try to make sense of it tonight. Run VisualVM and all the PIDs of running Java processes are shown automatically. Gj > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:04 AM, software visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: > > Website for the tool didn't really clear much up for me. I'm just > going to reinstall. Really have to get work done :( > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM, software visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: > > Not really sure how to use those programs. Tried running > nb.exe from within bin/jps but nothing happened. Not familiar > with JPS what it requires in terms of arguments .. -help > didn't really tell me anything at all. > > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Petr Dvorak > <Petr.Dvorak@... <mailto:Petr.Dvorak@...>> wrote: > > Hi! > > Did you try Ctrl+'\'... > > You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder > - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack > #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located > under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... > > Petr D. > > software visualization wrote: > > Following the instructions on the page you sent me to > does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the > prompt to redraw itself at the console. The > application continues to run. I also get a message > saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the > future when I run nb.exe from the command line. > > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null > <hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...> > <mailto:hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...>>> > wrote: > > > You must intentionally generate the thread dump. > Here's how to do it: > > http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: software visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...> > <mailto:softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>>> > To: nbusers@... > <mailto:nbusers@...> > <mailto:nbusers@... > <mailto:nbusers@...>> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM > Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated > > There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very > happy to > launch. It just is totally blank. So command line > launch: > > MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans > > nets you the blank screen with no output . > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null > <null.nan@... <mailto:null.nan@...> > <mailto:null.nan@... > <mailto:null.nan@...>>> wrote: > > > Would you be able to run from the commandline, > and print out > the thread dump? Then post that as an > attachment to the bug > report? > > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software > visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...> > <mailto:softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>>> wrote: > > No I'm not using it.... drat! > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky > <Petr.Cyhelsky@... > <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...> > <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@... > <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>>> wrote: > > Hi, > Are you using compiz? If that is the > case than this > issue is a known one and the fault is > not in NB, but > in compiz/jdk - see for example > > http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. > Petr Cyhelsky > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software > visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...> > <mailto:softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>>> wrote: > As a final bug I just have to mention, > it seems NB has > gone brain-dead on my machine, > apparently right after > displaying behavior odd enough to > elicit scepticism > > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309> > > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>>from > some on the NB team . > By way of proof (I couldn't possibly > reproduce this) > and just before I delete and reinstall > NB, I offer the > attached file of the absolutely blank > NB main window I > get when I launch NB now. > > For those not inclined to view the > image, it's a big, > blank (like...... totally) window with > only the exit X > on the upper right and the java coffee > logo on the > upper left. > > Like I say, I'd love to file a bug > report but I am a > little worried I'll be criticized > > <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for > not filing to the proper sub-component > _/since I can't > find it on the screen anymore/... > > > _ > > > > > > > > > >
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Jess Holle :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > software visualization wrote: >> OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... I >> will try to get around to reading the documentation on JPS again. >> Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... >> snooping around in the usual areas on Windows, I didn't see any PID >> for the processes . I am not sure if localhost is the host JPS is >> looking for as a parameter or what. I'll try to make sense of it >> tonight. > Run VisualVM and all the PIDs of running Java processes are shown > automatically. In general one can use jps, VisualVM, or Windows Task Manager (by adding the PID / Process Id column -- it just does not show this column by default). There are a lot of ways to skin this cat -- even on Windows. Do note that there are multiple processes associated with NetBeans -- and you probably want the java.exe one for most things. -- Jess Holle
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Jess Holle :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Jess Holle wrote: > Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >> software visualization wrote: >>> OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... I >>> will try to get around to reading the documentation on JPS again. >>> Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it >>> runs... snooping around in the usual areas on Windows, I didn't see >>> any PID for the processes . I am not sure if localhost is the host >>> JPS is looking for as a parameter or what. I'll try to make sense of >>> it tonight. >> Run VisualVM and all the PIDs of running Java processes are shown >> automatically. > In general one can use jps, VisualVM, or Windows Task Manager (by > adding the PID / Process Id column -- it just does not show this > column by default). > > There are a lot of ways to skin this cat -- even on Windows. > > Do note that there are multiple processes associated with NetBeans -- > and you probably want the java.exe one for most things. The nice thing about jps and VisualVM is that it shows you just the Java processes and shows you their main class. -- Jess Holle
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by joshis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message > OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... 0. Start command line (I don't know where it is in Vista, I have only XP/Xubuntu on my laptop) 1. Go to your NetBeans bin folder ("cd C:/Program Files/Netbeans 6.X/bin") 2. Start nb.exe (not netbeans.exe) - IDE starts, process blocks the command line (unlike netbeans.exe) 3. When IDE starts, switch back to the command line (command line is your active window now) 4. Try Ctrl+Break or Ctrl+'\' (I think only the "right" backslash works - my NB keyboard has two keys with '\' and only one seems to work) It really does not work? Then check out VisualVM, as adviced by guru... > Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... Go to command line. If you go to your JDK bin folder (cd C:/Program Files/Java/jdkXXXX/bin), you can call jps (from the command line) and it lists all running javaVM processes. NetBeans are displayed as "Main" process. If you see the Windows task manager, NetBeans are not displayed (they run on Java, so you will see process called "java" in Task Manager)... Petr Dvorak My websites: English: http://wiki.netbeans.org/PetrDvorak English: http://blogs.sun.com/joshis Czech: http://joshis.iprofil.cz/
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... and so starts the discussion of every bug.... Really does not happen.. see attached screenshot... On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: > OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... 0. Start command line (I don't know where it is in Vista, I have only XP/Xubuntu on my laptop) 1. Go to your NetBeans bin folder ("cd C:/Program Files/Netbeans 6.X/bin") 2. Start nb.exe (not netbeans.exe) - IDE starts, process blocks the command line (unlike netbeans.exe) 3. When IDE starts, switch back to the command line (command line is your active window now) 4. Try Ctrl+Break or Ctrl+'\' (I think only the "right" backslash works - my NB keyboard has two keys with '\' and only one seems to work) It really does not work? Then check out VisualVM, as adviced by guru... > Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... Go to command line. If you go to your JDK bin folder (cd C:/Program Files/Java/jdkXXXX/bin), you can call jps (from the command line) and it lists all running javaVM processes. NetBeans are displayed as "Main" process. If you see the Windows task manager, NetBeans are not displayed (they run on Java, so you will see process called "java" in Task Manager)... Petr Dvorak really_does_not_work.png (8K) Download Attachment
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Jess Holle :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Ah... I just recalled something. We have seen very rare cases where jps, jconsole, etc, do not show Java processes on certain Windows machines only. This seems traceable to some undesirable state/permissions/whatever of temp directories, etc, that throws Sun's tooling for a loop. I believe there's a bug open on this, but I know of no workaround/resolution in such cases. I don't know if that's what's preventing profiling for you, but as for the other tooling failing you could be one of the unlucky few. Hopefully Sun figures out how to either (1) make this bulletproof or (2) provide a detailed error message as to what exactly needs to be fixed on the system in question when it goes awry. -- Jess Holle Petr Dvorak wrote: > OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... 0. Start command line (I don't know where it is in Vista, I have only XP/Xubuntu on my laptop) 1. Go to your NetBeans bin folder ("cd C:/Program Files/Netbeans 6.X/bin") 2. Start nb.exe (not netbeans.exe) - IDE starts, process blocks the command line (unlike netbeans.exe) 3. When IDE starts, switch back to the command line (command line is your active window now) 4. Try Ctrl+Break or Ctrl+'\' (I think only the "right" backslash works - my NB keyboard has two keys with '\' and only one seems to work) It really does not work? Then check out VisualVM, as adviced by guru... > Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... Go to command line. If you go to your JDK bin folder (cd C:/Program Files/Java/jdkXXXX/bin), you can call jps (from the command line) and it lists all running javaVM processes. NetBeans are displayed as "Main" process. If you see the Windows task manager, NetBeans are not displayed (they run on Java, so you will see process called "java" in Task Manager)... Petr Dvorak
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Nan Null :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message In Windows, you use Ctrl-Break on the console. You probably uncover a new bug in Netbeans. :-) I just tried in mine and it doesn't work either. hahah. Sorry guys. It used to work before. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... and so starts the discussion of every bug.... Really does not happen.. see attached screenshot...
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message It's cool. My attitude towards all this is- if I can just eventually get a version of NB on my machine that's "good enough" then I can develop my own personal fork and write plugins for it that do what I want and what I know I need. Then my productivity will go skyward and it will have all been worth it. That day's not today; I didn't think it was. The important thing is that that day come eventually. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Nan Null <null.nan@...> wrote: In Windows, you use Ctrl-Break on the console. You probably uncover a new bug in Netbeans. :-) I just tried in mine and it doesn't work either. hahah. Sorry guys. It used to work before. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... and so starts the discussion of every bug.... Really does not happen.. see attached screenshot...
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by joshis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message > Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... > and so starts the discussion of every bug.... You are absolutely right - I could have saved this... I am sorry for that... However - I still don't believe it but I have really done it - I went to my colleague's PC (colleague=Petr Chytil, you might have noticed him;)), I booted to Vista - and... I said WOW! While I was wondering about the beautiful and "never seen before" transparency of window decoration and gazing at the huge and A11Y friendly icons, I somehow managed to run command line (ufff... finally back home). Then I navigated to netbeans bin folder and I run nb.exe file... The correct shortuct for Vista seems to be Ctrl+Pause/Break key... This made a thread dump for me... If it does not work for you, could you please file a new issue for that (check also your keyboard - I had to reconnect a normal Labtec keyboard instead of the sexy Sun keyboard, which is usually so, so comfortable)? http://www.netbeans.org/community/issues.html Petr Dvorak My websites: English: http://wiki.netbeans.org/PetrDvorak English: http://blogs.sun.com/joshis Czech: http://joshis.iprofil.cz/
	Re: Re: An explanation (excuse?) by Dolfuz :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Some windows disapeared with me, i tryed to show it up until I found an option "View=>Tools Bars => Reset ToolBars" Hope this helps On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:55 AM, thufir <hawat.thufir@...> wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:57:44 -0400, Don Millhofer wrote: > We can work around issues in > Java, there are a lot of different approaches but when the IDE in > misbehaving it can drive the whole team nuts and time lines fall a part. > Its too late for us we are committed to NetBeans. Would you give some specifics? I'm learning Java and greatly prefer NB so would be interested in its weaknesses. -Thufir
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Yes it could be my KB since that's another variable. It's a Fellows ergo.. pretty standard.. no user (me) tweaks. I absolutely have done this three times now with the same result. The key on this KB is, as you say, pause/break, so that's probably Windows standard. I'll file an issue, if I know what to tell them. If you tried it on Win XP64 then really, I am hard pressed to tell them exactly how my XP differs from anyone else's. BTW, one thing is, I dont' have Vista I dont' think.. I have WinXP64.... it's a different creature... I think.. nothing on my machine says Vista. It says Windows XP Professional 64 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... > and so starts the discussion of every bug.... You are absolutely right - I could have saved this... I am sorry for that... However - I still don't believe it but I have really done it - I went to my colleague's PC (colleague=Petr Chytil, you might have noticed him;)), I booted to Vista - and... I said WOW! While I was wondering about the beautiful and "never seen before" transparency of window decoration and gazing at the huge and A11Y friendly icons, I somehow managed to run command line (ufff... finally back home). Then I navigated to netbeans bin folder and I run nb.exe file... The correct shortuct for Vista seems to be Ctrl+Pause/Break key... This made a thread dump for me... If it does not work for you, could you please file a new issue for that (check also your keyboard - I had to reconnect a normal Labtec keyboard instead of the sexy Sun keyboard, which is usually so, so comfortable)? http://www.netbeans.org/community/issues.html Petr Dvorak
	RE: The meaning of Integrated by ddevore :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Some parts of this message have been removed. Learn more about Nabble's security policy. This is true but Eclipse is soo much better.. (Sarcasm please don't flame me.) I like NB because I don't have to download everything separately, but it appears that Eclipse users find the fact that you have to spend 2 days building Eclipse a benefit, and don't even get me started with all the different version of the IDE from different companies. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated From: "Bayless Kirtley" <bkirt@...> Date: Mon, July 14, 2008 9:42 pm To: <nbusers@...> And from the stories we here, apparently you have to also download and install a whole load of plugins in order to get Eclipse to do anything useful. ----- Original Message ----- From: willh@... To: nbusers@... Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Kurt Olsen <kolsen@...> wrote: If you can't install the whole--thing-tool-module-whatever-here - YOU ARE NOT INTEGRATED! Funny, all of the IDEs I know require you to install an Operating System and Java before they'll run. All of the IDEs I know of need you to install the appropriate DB drivers if you want to use any of the database functionality. My IDE didn't come with a keyboard or mouse either, yet it seems to require those in order for me to interact with it. Pretty arrogant of it I think. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1551 - Release Date: 7/14/2008 6:49 AM

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	Re: An explanation (excuse?) by Thufir :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:57:44 -0400, Don Millhofer wrote: > We can work around issues in > Java, there are a lot of different approaches but when the IDE in > misbehaving it can drive the whole team nuts and time lines fall a part. > Its too late for us we are committed to NetBeans. Would you give some specifics? I'm learning Java and greatly prefer NB so would be interested in its weaknesses. -Thufir
	Re: The meaning of Integrated and some RapidView screenshots by Kurt Olsen-3 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Thanks Tim, Our Co. is about to launch a new family of rugged (indestructible instant networking) wireless routers that use the Optimized Link State Routing Protocol to form self-healing mesh networks. The RapidView application (screenshots) is talking to a servlet, running on our hardware (courtesy of osgi) which in turn is obtaining the topology from the routing protocol. The application then graphs the interconnections the mesh nodes have formed (and no, we're not really hopping islands yet). It also performs the admin functions for the nodes, but most work in the future will be in the graphing, and in allowing others to install software on the mesh nodes. Since our hardware are linux boxes running java and osgi we are setting up a system where other developers can develop client/server apps and deploy them in the field, where there is no, or limited access to the internet. I decided not to base the software off of either of the eclipse or netbeans platforms. I spent a month considering it, and trying both of them but the overall learning curve wasn't worth the effort in my case, and very much doubt our customers would appreciate being forced to learn it either. Enter JSR 296 - Now that is an appframework that is just-right...Little bitty thing, provides everything I need in a framework for an app of this size, and when you add derby, hibernate, ejb3 and JSR295 (bean binding) I had everything I needed. It's a winning stack in my opinion. Kurt Tim Boudreau wrote: > Kurt Olsen-3 wrote: > >> Thanks Tim, I installed the two things mercurial needed but didn't check >> see if it's working yet. >> I'm in the final stages of finishing my app (beta) and haven't had time >> to try again. >> >> I put some screenshots of my nemesis online at: >> >> http://kurt6string.homeip.net/images >> >> Take Care, >> Kurt >> >> > > That's a sweet looking app! I'd love to have a map view of the hops when > doing a traceroute (if that's what it really does - I'm assuming that from > the screen shot)! Are you using native code to get the info about the > network adapters, or parsing output from ifconfig and traceroute or similar? > > It also looks like something that would be a great candidate for building on > the NetBeans Platform ( http://platform.netbeans.org/ ) - you'd probably be > able to delete a bunch of plumbing (windowing, actions) code - but it might > take a bit of work to get exactly that same look, so I can't say if it's a > perfect fit. > > -Tim > > >
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@...> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> To: nbusers@... Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@...> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@...> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by joshis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi! Did you try Ctrl+'\'... You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... Petr D. software visualization wrote: > Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. > Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the > console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying > please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe > from the command line. > > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@... > <mailto:hovh03@...>> wrote: > > > You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: > > http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> > To: nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM > Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated > > There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to > launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: > > MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans > > nets you the blank screen with no output . > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@... > <mailto:null.nan@...>> wrote: > > > Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out > the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug > report? > > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: > > No I'm not using it.... drat! > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky > <Petr.Cyhelsky@... <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>> wrote: > > Hi, > Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this > issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but > in compiz/jdk - see for example > http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. > Petr Cyhelsky > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software > visualization <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: > As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has > gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after > displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>from > some on the NB team . > By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) > and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the > attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I > get when I launch NB now. > > For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, > blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X > on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the > upper left. > > Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a > little worried I'll be criticized > <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for > not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't > find it on the screen anymore/... > > > _ > > > > > > My websites: English: http://wiki.netbeans.org/PetrDvorak English: http://blogs.sun.com/joshis Czech: http://joshis.iprofil.cz/
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Nan Null :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message What is your OS? Do you use Windows or Linux? The key combination is not the same for the two platforms. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:42 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@...> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> To: nbusers@... Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@...> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@...> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Not really sure how to use those programs. Tried running nb.exe from within bin/jps but nothing happened. Not familiar with JPS what it requires in terms of arguments .. -help didn't really tell me anything at all. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: Hi! Did you try Ctrl+'\'... You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... Petr D. software visualization wrote: Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...>> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> To: nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@... <mailto:null.nan@...>> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@... <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Website for the tool didn't really clear much up for me. I'm just going to reinstall. Really have to get work done :( On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Not really sure how to use those programs. Tried running nb.exe from within bin/jps but nothing happened. Not familiar with JPS what it requires in terms of arguments .. -help didn't really tell me anything at all. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: Hi! Did you try Ctrl+'\'... You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... Petr D. software visualization wrote: Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...>> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> To: nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@... <mailto:null.nan@...>> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@... <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... I will try to get around to reading the documentation on JPS again. Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... snooping around in the usual areas on Windows, I didn't see any PID for the processes . I am not sure if localhost is the host JPS is looking for as a parameter or what. I'll try to make sense of it tonight. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:04 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Website for the tool didn't really clear much up for me. I'm just going to reinstall. Really have to get work done :( On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Not really sure how to use those programs. Tried running nb.exe from within bin/jps but nothing happened. Not familiar with JPS what it requires in terms of arguments .. -help didn't really tell me anything at all. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: Hi! Did you try Ctrl+'\'... You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... Petr D. software visualization wrote: Following the instructions on the page you sent me to does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the prompt to redraw itself at the console. The application continues to run. I also get a message saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the future when I run nb.exe from the command line. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null <hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...>> wrote: You must intentionally generate the thread dump. Here's how to do it: http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump ----- Original Message ---- From: software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> To: nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very happy to launch. It just is totally blank. So command line launch: MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans nets you the blank screen with no output . On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null <null.nan@... <mailto:null.nan@...>> wrote: Would you be able to run from the commandline, and print out the thread dump? Then post that as an attachment to the bug report? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: No I'm not using it.... drat! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky <Petr.Cyhelsky@... <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>> wrote: Hi, Are you using compiz? If that is the case than this issue is a known one and the fault is not in NB, but in compiz/jdk - see for example http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. Petr Cyhelsky On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@... <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: As a final bug I just have to mention, it seems NB has gone brain-dead on my machine, apparently right after displaying behavior odd enough to elicit scepticism <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>from some on the NB team . By way of proof (I couldn't possibly reproduce this) and just before I delete and reinstall NB, I offer the attached file of the absolutely blank NB main window I get when I launch NB now. For those not inclined to view the image, it's a big, blank (like...... totally) window with only the exit X on the upper right and the java coffee logo on the upper left. Like I say, I'd love to file a bug report but I am a little worried I'll be criticized <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for not filing to the proper sub-component _/since I can't find it on the screen anymore/... _
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Geertjan Wielenga :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message software visualization wrote: > OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... I will > try to get around to reading the documentation on JPS again. Actaully, > I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... snooping > around in the usual areas on Windows, I didn't see any PID for the > processes . I am not sure if localhost is the host JPS is looking for > as a parameter or what. I'll try to make sense of it tonight. Run VisualVM and all the PIDs of running Java processes are shown automatically. Gj > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:04 AM, software visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: > > Website for the tool didn't really clear much up for me. I'm just > going to reinstall. Really have to get work done :( > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM, software visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>> wrote: > > Not really sure how to use those programs. Tried running > nb.exe from within bin/jps but nothing happened. Not familiar > with JPS what it requires in terms of arguments .. -help > didn't really tell me anything at all. > > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Petr Dvorak > <Petr.Dvorak@... <mailto:Petr.Dvorak@...>> wrote: > > Hi! > > Did you try Ctrl+'\'... > > You can also use "jps" (should be under bin in JDK folder > - this is equivalent to linux "ps" for java) and "jstack > #pid#" (dump java process no. #pid#, projram also located > under bin in JDK) - output has the same value... > > Petr D. > > software visualization wrote: > > Following the instructions on the page you sent me to > does nothing. Pressing CTRL + BREAK just causes the > prompt to redraw itself at the console. The > application continues to run. I also get a message > saying please use CMSClassUnloadingEnabled in the > future when I run nb.exe from the command line. > > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Nan Null > <hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...> > <mailto:hovh03@... <mailto:hovh03@...>>> > wrote: > > > You must intentionally generate the thread dump. > Here's how to do it: > > http://wiki.netbeans.org/GenerateThreadDump > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: software visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...> > <mailto:softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>>> > To: nbusers@... > <mailto:nbusers@...> > <mailto:nbusers@... > <mailto:nbusers@...>> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:52:20 PM > Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated > > There is no thread dump when I do this. It is very > happy to > launch. It just is totally blank. So command line > launch: > > MyInstallDirectory\NetBeans 6.1\bin netbeans > > nets you the blank screen with no output . > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Nan Null > <null.nan@... <mailto:null.nan@...> > <mailto:null.nan@... > <mailto:null.nan@...>>> wrote: > > > Would you be able to run from the commandline, > and print out > the thread dump? Then post that as an > attachment to the bug > report? > > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 PM, software > visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...> > <mailto:softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>>> wrote: > > No I'm not using it.... drat! > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Petr Cyhelsky > <Petr.Cyhelsky@... > <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...> > <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@... > <mailto:Petr.Cyhelsky@...>>> wrote: > > Hi, > Are you using compiz? If that is the > case than this > issue is a known one and the fault is > not in NB, but > in compiz/jdk - see for example > > http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6632124. > Petr Cyhelsky > > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:42 PM, software > visualization > <softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...> > <mailto:softwarevisualization@... > <mailto:softwarevisualization@...>>> wrote: > As a final bug I just have to mention, > it seems NB has > gone brain-dead on my machine, > apparently right after > displaying behavior odd enough to > elicit scepticism > > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309> > > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309 > <http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=nbusers&msgNo=120309>>>from > some on the NB team . > By way of proof (I couldn't possibly > reproduce this) > and just before I delete and reinstall > NB, I offer the > attached file of the absolutely blank > NB main window I > get when I launch NB now. > > For those not inclined to view the > image, it's a big, > blank (like...... totally) window with > only the exit X > on the upper right and the java coffee > logo on the > upper left. > > Like I say, I'd love to file a bug > report but I am a > little worried I'll be criticized > > <http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=140433>for > not filing to the proper sub-component > _/since I can't > find it on the screen anymore/... > > > _ > > > > > > > > > >
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Jess Holle :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > software visualization wrote: >> OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... I >> will try to get around to reading the documentation on JPS again. >> Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... >> snooping around in the usual areas on Windows, I didn't see any PID >> for the processes . I am not sure if localhost is the host JPS is >> looking for as a parameter or what. I'll try to make sense of it >> tonight. > Run VisualVM and all the PIDs of running Java processes are shown > automatically. In general one can use jps, VisualVM, or Windows Task Manager (by adding the PID / Process Id column -- it just does not show this column by default). There are a lot of ways to skin this cat -- even on Windows. Do note that there are multiple processes associated with NetBeans -- and you probably want the java.exe one for most things. -- Jess Holle
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Jess Holle :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Jess Holle wrote: > Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >> software visualization wrote: >>> OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... I >>> will try to get around to reading the documentation on JPS again. >>> Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it >>> runs... snooping around in the usual areas on Windows, I didn't see >>> any PID for the processes . I am not sure if localhost is the host >>> JPS is looking for as a parameter or what. I'll try to make sense of >>> it tonight. >> Run VisualVM and all the PIDs of running Java processes are shown >> automatically. > In general one can use jps, VisualVM, or Windows Task Manager (by > adding the PID / Process Id column -- it just does not show this > column by default). > > There are a lot of ways to skin this cat -- even on Windows. > > Do note that there are multiple processes associated with NetBeans -- > and you probably want the java.exe one for most things. The nice thing about jps and VisualVM is that it shows you just the Java processes and shows you their main class. -- Jess Holle
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by joshis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message > OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... 0. Start command line (I don't know where it is in Vista, I have only XP/Xubuntu on my laptop) 1. Go to your NetBeans bin folder ("cd C:/Program Files/Netbeans 6.X/bin") 2. Start nb.exe (not netbeans.exe) - IDE starts, process blocks the command line (unlike netbeans.exe) 3. When IDE starts, switch back to the command line (command line is your active window now) 4. Try Ctrl+Break or Ctrl+'\' (I think only the "right" backslash works - my NB keyboard has two keys with '\' and only one seems to work) It really does not work? Then check out VisualVM, as adviced by guru... > Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... Go to command line. If you go to your JDK bin folder (cd C:/Program Files/Java/jdkXXXX/bin), you can call jps (from the command line) and it lists all running javaVM processes. NetBeans are displayed as "Main" process. If you see the Windows task manager, NetBeans are not displayed (they run on Java, so you will see process called "java" in Task Manager)... Petr Dvorak My websites: English: http://wiki.netbeans.org/PetrDvorak English: http://blogs.sun.com/joshis Czech: http://joshis.iprofil.cz/
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... and so starts the discussion of every bug.... Really does not happen.. see attached screenshot... On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: > OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... 0. Start command line (I don't know where it is in Vista, I have only XP/Xubuntu on my laptop) 1. Go to your NetBeans bin folder ("cd C:/Program Files/Netbeans 6.X/bin") 2. Start nb.exe (not netbeans.exe) - IDE starts, process blocks the command line (unlike netbeans.exe) 3. When IDE starts, switch back to the command line (command line is your active window now) 4. Try Ctrl+Break or Ctrl+'\' (I think only the "right" backslash works - my NB keyboard has two keys with '\' and only one seems to work) It really does not work? Then check out VisualVM, as adviced by guru... > Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... Go to command line. If you go to your JDK bin folder (cd C:/Program Files/Java/jdkXXXX/bin), you can call jps (from the command line) and it lists all running javaVM processes. NetBeans are displayed as "Main" process. If you see the Windows task manager, NetBeans are not displayed (they run on Java, so you will see process called "java" in Task Manager)... Petr Dvorak really_does_not_work.png (8K) Download Attachment
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Jess Holle :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Ah... I just recalled something. We have seen very rare cases where jps, jconsole, etc, do not show Java processes on certain Windows machines only. This seems traceable to some undesirable state/permissions/whatever of temp directories, etc, that throws Sun's tooling for a loop. I believe there's a bug open on this, but I know of no workaround/resolution in such cases. I don't know if that's what's preventing profiling for you, but as for the other tooling failing you could be one of the unlucky few. Hopefully Sun figures out how to either (1) make this bulletproof or (2) provide a detailed error message as to what exactly needs to be fixed on the system in question when it goes awry. -- Jess Holle Petr Dvorak wrote: > OK Win64 XP tried CTRL + BREAK and CTRL + \ both did nothing... Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... 0. Start command line (I don't know where it is in Vista, I have only XP/Xubuntu on my laptop) 1. Go to your NetBeans bin folder ("cd C:/Program Files/Netbeans 6.X/bin") 2. Start nb.exe (not netbeans.exe) - IDE starts, process blocks the command line (unlike netbeans.exe) 3. When IDE starts, switch back to the command line (command line is your active window now) 4. Try Ctrl+Break or Ctrl+'\' (I think only the "right" backslash works - my NB keyboard has two keys with '\' and only one seems to work) It really does not work? Then check out VisualVM, as adviced by guru... > Actaully, I have no idea what he PID of the nb.exe is when it runs... Go to command line. If you go to your JDK bin folder (cd C:/Program Files/Java/jdkXXXX/bin), you can call jps (from the command line) and it lists all running javaVM processes. NetBeans are displayed as "Main" process. If you see the Windows task manager, NetBeans are not displayed (they run on Java, so you will see process called "java" in Task Manager)... Petr Dvorak
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by Nan Null :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message In Windows, you use Ctrl-Break on the console. You probably uncover a new bug in Netbeans. :-) I just tried in mine and it doesn't work either. hahah. Sorry guys. It used to work before. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... and so starts the discussion of every bug.... Really does not happen.. see attached screenshot...
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message It's cool. My attitude towards all this is- if I can just eventually get a version of NB on my machine that's "good enough" then I can develop my own personal fork and write plugins for it that do what I want and what I know I need. Then my productivity will go skyward and it will have all been worth it. That day's not today; I didn't think it was. The important thing is that that day come eventually. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Nan Null <null.nan@...> wrote: In Windows, you use Ctrl-Break on the console. You probably uncover a new bug in Netbeans. :-) I just tried in mine and it doesn't work either. hahah. Sorry guys. It used to work before. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM, software visualization <softwarevisualization@...> wrote: Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... and so starts the discussion of every bug.... Really does not happen.. see attached screenshot...
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by joshis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message > Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... > and so starts the discussion of every bug.... You are absolutely right - I could have saved this... I am sorry for that... However - I still don't believe it but I have really done it - I went to my colleague's PC (colleague=Petr Chytil, you might have noticed him;)), I booted to Vista - and... I said WOW! While I was wondering about the beautiful and "never seen before" transparency of window decoration and gazing at the huge and A11Y friendly icons, I somehow managed to run command line (ufff... finally back home). Then I navigated to netbeans bin folder and I run nb.exe file... The correct shortuct for Vista seems to be Ctrl+Pause/Break key... This made a thread dump for me... If it does not work for you, could you please file a new issue for that (check also your keyboard - I had to reconnect a normal Labtec keyboard instead of the sexy Sun keyboard, which is usually so, so comfortable)? http://www.netbeans.org/community/issues.html Petr Dvorak My websites: English: http://wiki.netbeans.org/PetrDvorak English: http://blogs.sun.com/joshis Czech: http://joshis.iprofil.cz/
	Re: Re: An explanation (excuse?) by Dolfuz :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Some windows disapeared with me, i tryed to show it up until I found an option "View=>Tools Bars => Reset ToolBars" Hope this helps On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:55 AM, thufir <hawat.thufir@...> wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:57:44 -0400, Don Millhofer wrote: > We can work around issues in > Java, there are a lot of different approaches but when the IDE in > misbehaving it can drive the whole team nuts and time lines fall a part. > Its too late for us we are committed to NetBeans. Would you give some specifics? I'm learning Java and greatly prefer NB so would be interested in its weaknesses. -Thufir
	Re: The meaning of Integrated by swing_developer :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Yes it could be my KB since that's another variable. It's a Fellows ergo.. pretty standard.. no user (me) tweaks. I absolutely have done this three times now with the same result. The key on this KB is, as you say, pause/break, so that's probably Windows standard. I'll file an issue, if I know what to tell them. If you tried it on Win XP64 then really, I am hard pressed to tell them exactly how my XP differs from anyone else's. BTW, one thing is, I dont' have Vista I dont' think.. I have WinXP64.... it's a different creature... I think.. nothing on my machine says Vista. It says Windows XP Professional 64 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Petr Dvorak <Petr.Dvorak@...> wrote: Petr said: Well, I don't really understand how it can happen... > and so starts the discussion of every bug.... You are absolutely right - I could have saved this... I am sorry for that... However - I still don't believe it but I have really done it - I went to my colleague's PC (colleague=Petr Chytil, you might have noticed him;)), I booted to Vista - and... I said WOW! While I was wondering about the beautiful and "never seen before" transparency of window decoration and gazing at the huge and A11Y friendly icons, I somehow managed to run command line (ufff... finally back home). Then I navigated to netbeans bin folder and I run nb.exe file... The correct shortuct for Vista seems to be Ctrl+Pause/Break key... This made a thread dump for me... If it does not work for you, could you please file a new issue for that (check also your keyboard - I had to reconnect a normal Labtec keyboard instead of the sexy Sun keyboard, which is usually so, so comfortable)? http://www.netbeans.org/community/issues.html Petr Dvorak
	RE: The meaning of Integrated by ddevore :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Some parts of this message have been removed. Learn more about Nabble's security policy. This is true but Eclipse is soo much better.. (Sarcasm please don't flame me.) I like NB because I don't have to download everything separately, but it appears that Eclipse users find the fact that you have to spend 2 days building Eclipse a benefit, and don't even get me started with all the different version of the IDE from different companies. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated From: "Bayless Kirtley" <bkirt@...> Date: Mon, July 14, 2008 9:42 pm To: <nbusers@...> And from the stories we here, apparently you have to also download and install a whole load of plugins in order to get Eclipse to do anything useful. ----- Original Message ----- From: willh@... To: nbusers@... Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Kurt Olsen <kolsen@...> wrote: If you can't install the whole--thing-tool-module-whatever-here - YOU ARE NOT INTEGRATED! Funny, all of the IDEs I know require you to install an Operating System and Java before they'll run. All of the IDEs I know of need you to install the appropriate DB drivers if you want to use any of the database functionality. My IDE didn't come with a keyboard or mouse either, yet it seems to require those in order for me to interact with it. Pretty arrogant of it I think. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1551 - Release Date: 7/14/2008 6:49 AM

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