No good CD-Rom copy software

[Karl F. Larsen]

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        Ubuntu is short on software to copy a CD if you have just one CD
reader/write devise. The Gnome CD/DVD Creator is a method on Hardy that
works. It writes a filename.iso file that you then put in the file
browser and copy to a blank CD. This is not available on Jaunty it appears.

        I have Brasero loaded and it is broken. The problem is that
Brasero writes an odd two files to somewhere, that are brasero and
brasero.toc and the main data is in brasero and a small setup is in
brasero.toc. When Brasero wants to read the files you say yes and it
errors out reading the files.

        Then in a bad mood I tried dd to make a filename.iso and even
that didn't't work. I found the CD-Rom data at /media/cdrom0/ so I wrote
a dd and it failed. I tried $ dd if=/media/cdrom0
of=/home/karl/cd-file.iso and this does not work. Tried a lot of small
variations but no joy.

        I reported my problem and a great guy suggested I use it this way:

karl@karl-hardy:~$ dd if=/dev/scd0 of=/home/karl/Desktop/xp.iso bs=2048
conv=notrunc

It appears that dd wants a /dev/xyz to get data from a CD-Rom.

        The dd workes fine and reminded me of the "Bad old days". In the
beginning a German guy wrote an application known as cdrecord. I looked
and it is still being used today by Brasero and the Gnome CD Creator.
There is no longer a man cdrecord.

        What I wanted to do was copy a Windows-XP CD. It is not a full
CD so there was no space problem on the new blank CD. After making
xp.iso with dd I clicked on xp.iso and a panel comes up asking you for a
blank CD in your computer. Then it writes the .iso file to the blank
CD-Rom. The panel I discover is from the Gnome CD Creator. I assume it
wrote the iso file properly because you could not see a difference
between the 2 CD's.

        But when I tried to install Windows-XP on this computer from the
copied CD it failed. I tried the original CD and it worked fine. There
has to be a small but fatal error in the copy.

        So this is where we are today. No way to copy a CD on Ubuntu
Jaunty or Hardy. We need man cdrecord again.


73 Karl

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[Michael M. Moore]

On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 06:29 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:

>         So this is where we are today. No way to copy a CD on Ubuntu
> Jaunty or Hardy. We need man cdrecord again.

man wodim

        DESCRIPTION
               wodim is used to record data or audio Compact Discs on an
        Orange Book CD-Recorder or to write DVD media  on  a
        DVD-Recorder.

wodim is the replacement for cdrecord.  Usually, /usr/bin/cdrecord is
symlinked to /usr/bin/wodim so that older programs that look for
'cdrecord' will use wodim instead.  You might want to check whether that
symlink exists, if you need it.

I used to use cdw on Debian.  Never failed, though I remember once I had
to re-create the above-mentioned symlink because it disappeared somehow.
cdw is just one alternative if you don't want to use wodim from the
command line.  I'm sure there are others.  But you may find it simpler
to use wodim directly.

$ aptitude show cdw
Package: cdw
State: not installed
Version: 0.3.3-2
Priority: optional
Section: universe/otherosfs
Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@...>
Uncompressed Size: 209k
Depends: genisoimage, libc6 (>= 2.4), libcdio7, libncursesw5 (>= 5.6
[phone]), wodim
Conflicts: cdw-common, gcdw
Replaces: cdw-common, gcdw
Description: Tool for burning CD's - console version
 Ncurses-based frontend for wodim and genisoimage. It can handle audio
and data CD burning, through a CD image or directly from
 the files.
Homepage: http://cdw.sourceforge.net/

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[Frans Ketelaars]

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:29:12 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:


>         So this is where we are today. No way to copy a CD on Ubuntu
> Jaunty or Hardy. We need man cdrecord again.

Some additional information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrecord

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[Fred Roller]

On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 06:29 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:

>         What I wanted to do was copy a Windows-XP CD. It is not a full
> CD so there was no space problem on the new blank CD. After making
> xp.iso with dd I clicked on xp.iso and a panel comes up asking you for
> a
> blank CD in your computer. Then it writes the .iso file to the blank
> CD-Rom. The panel I discover is from the Gnome CD Creator. I assume it
> wrote the iso file properly because you could not see a difference
> between the 2 CD's.
>
>         But when I tried to install Windows-XP on this computer from
> the
> copied CD it failed. I tried the original CD and it worked fine. There
> has to be a small but fatal error in the copy.
>
>         So this is where we are today. No way to copy a CD on Ubuntu
> Jaunty or Hardy. We need man cdrecord again.

I copy iso images all the time as a way of backing up client software.
Normally, k3b is my burner of choice.  I haven't worked with Brasero,
but have noticed an increase in failed burns since Jaunty's release.
Just haven't pursued the subject.  What I have been doing is to dd to
usb thumbdrive:

dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/sdx

where x is the letter assigned to your thumbdrive.  As usual, insure the
thumbdrive is umounted.  Don't know if xp will boot but this is the
underlying process of the "USB start up disk creator".  It has worked
with other application iso.

google "dd the complete command".

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[Tony Baldwin]

> On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 06:29 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
>
>>         So this is where we are today. No way to copy a CD on Ubuntu
>> Jaunty or Hardy. We need man cdrecord again.
>

What are you talking about, Karl?
You have plenty of options
k3b
brasero
gnomebaker
wodim
etc., etc.


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[David E. Fox]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Karl Larsen<klarsen1@...> wrote:
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>        Ubuntu is short on software to copy a CD if you have just one CD
> reader/write devise. The Gnome CD/DVD Creator is a method on Hardy that
> works. It writes a filename.iso file that you then put in the file
> browser and copy to a blank CD. This is not available on Jaunty it appears.

All you need is 'dd'. And I copy CDs from time to time using k3b. You
probably didn't install that, since you have an aversion to KDE.





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[Karl F. Larsen]

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Michael M. Moore wrote:

> On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 06:29 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
>
>>         So this is where we are today. No way to copy a CD on Ubuntu
>> Jaunty or Hardy. We need man cdrecord again.
>
> man wodim
>
>         DESCRIPTION
>                wodim is used to record data or audio Compact Discs on an
>         Orange Book CD-Recorder or to write DVD media  on  a
>         DVD-Recorder.
>
> wodim is the replacement for cdrecord.  Usually, /usr/bin/cdrecord is
> symlinked to /usr/bin/wodim so that older programs that look for
> 'cdrecord' will use wodim instead.  You might want to check whether that
> symlink exists, if you need it.
>
> I used to use cdw on Debian.  Never failed, though I remember once I had
> to re-create the above-mentioned symlink because it disappeared somehow.
> cdw is just one alternative if you don't want to use wodim from the
> command line.  I'm sure there are others.  But you may find it simpler
> to use wodim directly.
>
> $ aptitude show cdw
> Package: cdw
> State: not installed
> Version: 0.3.3-2
> Priority: optional
> Section: universe/otherosfs
> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@...>
> Uncompressed Size: 209k
> Depends: genisoimage, libc6 (>= 2.4), libcdio7, libncursesw5 (>= 5.6
> [phone]), wodim
> Conflicts: cdw-common, gcdw
> Replaces: cdw-common, gcdw
> Description: Tool for burning CD's - console version
>  Ncurses-based frontend for wodim and genisoimage. It can handle audio
> and data CD burning, through a CD image or directly from
>  the files.
> Homepage: http://cdw.sourceforge.net/
>

        Yes things have changed. Here is how it is on Hardy:

karl@karl-hardy:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/wodim
- -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 359116 2008-02-29 23:22 /usr/bin/wodim
karl@karl-hardy:~$ locate cdrecord
/usr/bin/cdrecord
/usr/lib/brasero/plugins/libbrasero-cdrecord.la
/usr/lib/brasero/plugins/libbrasero-cdrecord.so
karl@karl-hardy:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/cdrecord
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2008-06-14 11:17 /usr/bin/cdrecord -> wodim
karl@karl-hardy:~$

        It is clear that cdrecord calls wodim. Now wodim is newer than cdrecord
but I think it works not as good!


73 Karl


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[Karl F. Larsen]

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Tony Baldwin wrote:

>> On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 06:29 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
>>
>>>         So this is where we are today. No way to copy a CD on Ubuntu
>>> Jaunty or Hardy. We need man cdrecord again.
>
> What are you talking about, Karl?
> You have plenty of options
> k3b
> brasero
> gnomebaker
> wodim
> etc., etc.
>
>
> /tony

        So far brasero does NOT work. It appears gnomebaker does not work well.
Please tell me what etc.,etc. is. I will try k3b on Jaunty and see if it
works.

73 Karl


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[Michael M. Moore]

On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 09:16 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> Yes things have changed. Here is how it is on Hardy:
>
> karl@karl-hardy:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/wodim
> - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 359116 2008-02-29 23:22 /usr/bin/wodim
> karl@karl-hardy:~$ locate cdrecord
> /usr/bin/cdrecord
> /usr/lib/brasero/plugins/libbrasero-cdrecord.la
> /usr/lib/brasero/plugins/libbrasero-cdrecord.so
> karl@karl-hardy:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/cdrecord
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2008-06-14 11:17 /usr/bin/cdrecord -> wodim
> karl@karl-hardy:~$
>
> It is clear that cdrecord calls wodim. Now wodim is newer than cdrecord
> but I think it works not as good!

It doesn't?  I never had any problem with it, but I didn't use Hardy.
wodim has been in Debian for a long time (since before Etch, I think)
and it always just worked.

You tried burning from the command line with wodim, and got a bad disc?
Or the software you used (Brasero or whatever) that called wodim didn't
work right?

I would think, if say, Brasero, wasn't working with wodim properly, that
it isn't necessarily a problem with wodim, but could be a problem with
Brasero.  The way to find out would be to use wodim by itself, on the
command-line, and see if you still have problems.

There is a pretty tortured and unpleasant history behind why cdrecord
was replaced by wodim.  Developer wars.  I'm not taking sides, only
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[Karl F. Larsen]

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Michael M. Moore wrote:

> On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 09:16 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
>> Yes things have changed. Here is how it is on Hardy:
>>
>> karl@karl-hardy:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/wodim
>> - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 359116 2008-02-29 23:22 /usr/bin/wodim
>> karl@karl-hardy:~$ locate cdrecord
>> /usr/bin/cdrecord
>> /usr/lib/brasero/plugins/libbrasero-cdrecord.la
>> /usr/lib/brasero/plugins/libbrasero-cdrecord.so
>> karl@karl-hardy:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/cdrecord
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2008-06-14 11:17 /usr/bin/cdrecord -> wodim
>> karl@karl-hardy:~$
>>
>> It is clear that cdrecord calls wodim. Now wodim is newer than cdrecord
>> but I think it works not as good!
>
> It doesn't?  I never had any problem with it, but I didn't use Hardy.
> wodim has been in Debian for a long time (since before Etch, I think)
> and it always just worked.
>
> You tried burning from the command line with wodim, and got a bad disc?
> Or the software you used (Brasero or whatever) that called wodim didn't
> work right?
>
> I would think, if say, Brasero, wasn't working with wodim properly, that
> it isn't necessarily a problem with wodim, but could be a problem with
> Brasero.  The way to find out would be to use wodim by itself, on the
> command-line, and see if you still have problems.
>
> There is a pretty tortured and unpleasant history behind why cdrecord
> was replaced by wodim.  Developer wars.  I'm not taking sides, only
> noting the issue.
>

        Hi Mike, well I just made a perfect WindowsXP Professional copy using
dd to make a xp.iso file. I tried to write that to a CD with part of the
Gnome CD maker. The copy looked perfect but it would not install the
windows.

        Just now I used k3b also under Sound and Video for some reason, but
using this software was a pleasure. It tells you what it is doing. It
does use wodim and it does fill up the CD fast but this CD does work!

        As I recall the guy who wrote cdrecord was an old German. His own
instructions for using cdrecord were written in German. It was an
amazing thing and I had a bash file for copy a cd, load a terminal with
files and record on a cd ect.

        But now I can say if you use dd to copy a cd to your hard drive, and
copy that to the blank cd with k3b, it will be a bit-by-bit perfect copy.


73 Karl


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[David E. Fox]

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Karl F. Larsen<klarsen1@...> wrote:

>        So far brasero does NOT work. It appears gnomebaker does not work well.
> Please tell me what etc.,etc. is. I will try k3b on Jaunty and see if it
> works.

I've found that brasero has difficulties too. For my experience, I
standardized on k3b for CD copying and burning, and growisofs for DVD
burning a long time ago. For me, I've had the most success with those
programs.

I'm sure the "etc" means there are other burning software out there
that are just an apt-get away. Some may work, some may not, or not
work as well as others.


>
> 73 Karl



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[Res-2]

or the better way is to rm the symlink and install cdrtools source into
prefix /usr

a basic cdrecord -v filename   blows away the console with wodim
I'd rather use the age old and currently very actively supported cdrecord
then the debian fork, which is horrid when trying to build on non debian
systems, sadly apt-get remove wodim wants to take out half of my systems
installed packaged, rather pathetic really, i guess RPM  has its
advantages after all :)

(I say this not having spent much time with apt/synaptic looking for
--nodeps command :) being an old RPM and tarball guy, old
habits/favourites die hard.


On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, Michael M. Moore wrote:

> On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 06:29 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
>
>>         So this is where we are today. No way to copy a CD on Ubuntu
>> Jaunty or Hardy. We need man cdrecord again.
>
> man wodim
>
>        DESCRIPTION
>               wodim is used to record data or audio Compact Discs on an
>        Orange Book CD-Recorder or to write DVD media  on  a
>        DVD-Recorder.
>
> wodim is the replacement for cdrecord.  Usually, /usr/bin/cdrecord is
> symlinked to /usr/bin/wodim so that older programs that look for
> 'cdrecord' will use wodim instead.  You might want to check whether that
> symlink exists, if you need it.
>
> I used to use cdw on Debian.  Never failed, though I remember once I had
> to re-create the above-mentioned symlink because it disappeared somehow.
> cdw is just one alternative if you don't want to use wodim from the
> command line.  I'm sure there are others.  But you may find it simpler
> to use wodim directly.
>
> $ aptitude show cdw
> Package: cdw
> State: not installed
> Version: 0.3.3-2
> Priority: optional
> Section: universe/otherosfs
> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@...>
> Uncompressed Size: 209k
> Depends: genisoimage, libc6 (>= 2.4), libcdio7, libncursesw5 (>= 5.6
> [phone]), wodim
> Conflicts: cdw-common, gcdw
> Replaces: cdw-common, gcdw
> Description: Tool for burning CD's - console version
> Ncurses-based frontend for wodim and genisoimage. It can handle audio
> and data CD burning, through a CD image or directly from
> the files.
> Homepage: http://cdw.sourceforge.net/
>
>

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[Rashkae-2]

Michael M. Moore wrote:

> On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 09:16 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
>> Yes things have changed. Here is how it is on Hardy:
>>
>> karl@karl-hardy:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/wodim
>> - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 359116 2008-02-29 23:22 /usr/bin/wodim
>> karl@karl-hardy:~$ locate cdrecord
>> /usr/bin/cdrecord
>> /usr/lib/brasero/plugins/libbrasero-cdrecord.la
>> /usr/lib/brasero/plugins/libbrasero-cdrecord.so
>> karl@karl-hardy:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/cdrecord
>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2008-06-14 11:17 /usr/bin/cdrecord -> wodim
>> karl@karl-hardy:~$
>>
>> It is clear that cdrecord calls wodim. Now wodim is newer than cdrecord
>> but I think it works not as good!
>
> It doesn't?  I never had any problem with it, but I didn't use Hardy.
> wodim has been in Debian for a long time (since before Etch, I think)
> and it always just worked.
>

There have been reports of late of wodim misbehaving very badly on some
systems since Jaunty, and some people have had to switch back to
cdrecord to get reliable cd burning.  I suspect some kind of
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[Joerg Schilling-3]

Hi,

wodim is a dead fork from a 5 year old version of cdrtools.
It contains many bugs that never have been in the original software.
Wodim is a result from a non-cooperative downstream package maintainer.

If you like to use recent working software, I recommend you to use the official
original software from:

ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/

The other programs that have been mentioned in the thread are just GUI
frontends for cdrtools and of course suffer from not using the original
software.

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[Paul Johnson-11]

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Joerg
Schilling<Joerg.Schilling@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> wodim is a dead fork from a 5 year old version of cdrtools.
> It contains many bugs that never have been in the original software.
> Wodim is a result from a non-cooperative downstream package maintainer.
>
> If you like to use recent working software, I recommend you to use the official
> original software from:
>
> ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/
>
> The other programs that have been mentioned in the thread are just GUI
> frontends for cdrtools and of course suffer from not using the original
> software.
>
> Jörg
>

Wow. time flies, I remember when this split happened, but did not
expect it would go on so long.  Is there a statement from the
distribution managers on this question?

What would it take to get the "actual" cdrtools back into
Ubuntu/Debian?  Isn't there a voting process to make decisions on
things like this?

pj

ps: k3b works great to copy disks for me using the 'stock' CD tools in
Ubuntu.  however, I do seem to make a lot of coasters in writing new
disks (file backups) in Ubuntu with k3b.


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[Florian Diesch]

Paul Johnson <pauljohn32@...> wrote:

> What would it take to get the "actual" cdrtools back into
> Ubuntu/Debian?  

From
<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2009-February/000413.html>:

 | == cdrtools ==
 |
 | Mark gave an update on the cdrtools inclusion situation. Joerg Schilling
 | has declined to grant a specific permission on his CDDL code, and in the
 | absence of that (or in the absence of a broader discussion between CDDL
 | and GPL stakeholders to resolve the licence incompatibility), Eben
 | Moglen of SFLC informs us that we cannot ship cdrtools. For the time
 | being, the matter is closed.



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[Karl F. Larsen]

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Florian Diesch wrote:

> Paul Johnson <pauljohn32@...> wrote:
>
>> What would it take to get the "actual" cdrtools back into
>> Ubuntu/Debian?  
>
> From
> <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2009-February/000413.html>:
>
>  | == cdrtools ==
>  |
>  | Mark gave an update on the cdrtools inclusion situation. Joerg Schilling
>  | has declined to grant a specific permission on his CDDL code, and in the
>  | absence of that (or in the absence of a broader discussion between CDDL
>  | and GPL stakeholders to resolve the licence incompatibility), Eben
>  | Moglen of SFLC informs us that we cannot ship cdrtools. For the time
>  | being, the matter is closed.
>
>
>
>    Florian

        It makes me wonder why Joerg Schilling tried to get all of us to d/l
the cdrtools package. Since cdrtools is free for the d/l I wonder why
there is still a license problem.

        It sounds like people on one or both sides are being unreasonable.


73 Karl


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[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
On Mo, 2009-07-06 at 05:06 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
> It makes me wonder why Joerg Schilling tried to get all of us to d/l
> the cdrtools package. Since cdrtools is free for the d/l I wonder why
> there is still a license problem.
>
> It sounds like people on one or both sides are being unreasonable.
>
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrecord#Licensing_change

ciao
        oli



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[Res-2]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> It makes me wonder why Joerg Schilling tried to get all of us to d/l
> the cdrtools package. Since cdrtools is free for the d/l I wonder why
> there is still a license problem.
>
> It sounds like people on one or both sides are being unreasonable.
>

We know which side that is too, in case your still unsure, it is not in
Jorgs best interest to impede a distro distributing his software, and
since he's been here telling you all, why you should use it, it points to
the debian maintainers beong the stuborn ones, (oh my, what a surprise
there ........ not LOL)


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[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
On Mo, 2009-07-06 at 21:54 +1000, Res wrote:
> ... it points to
> the debian maintainers beong the stuborn ones, (oh my, what a surprise
> there ........ not LOL)
well, i doubt either Eben Moglen as an independent licensing expert, nor
the license lawyers employed by the FSF are actual debian
developers ...
but both declare distribution of the software not legal ... doesnt that
tell you someting ?

ciao
        oli


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