No more userdir on merkel (Was: UDD upload-history update-command broken)

[Sandro Tosi-4]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 16:10, Raphael Geissert <geissert@...> wrote:
> merkel has been moved to apache2 and php5 recently, and userdirs are
> disabled per DSA policy.

Am I the only one quite unhappy with this change? If I'm alone, no
problem, I'll find something else, but if we are a bit more, what do
you think about contacting DSA and ask to rethink about this change?

Having userdir helps a lot testing some new QA experiments & so (for
example I'm playing with that since a couple of weeks), also I didn't
see any recent heads up on this list about that change coming.

Let me know your feedbacks,
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[Bart Martens-3]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:16:33PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 16:10, Raphael Geissert <geissert@...> wrote:
> > merkel has been moved to apache2 and php5 recently, and userdirs are
> > disabled per DSA policy.

Userdirs still work on merkel.  See:
http://merkel.debian.org/~morph/

>
> Am I the only one quite unhappy with this change? If I'm alone, no
> problem, I'll find something else, but if we are a bit more, what do
> you think about contacting DSA and ask to rethink about this change?
>
> Having userdir helps a lot testing some new QA experiments & so (for
> example I'm playing with that since a couple of weeks), also I didn't
> see any recent heads up on this list about that change coming.
>
> Let me know your feedbacks,
> --
> Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu)
> My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/
> Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi
>
>
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[Sandro Tosi-4]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 16:49, Bart Martens <bartm@...> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:16:33PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 16:10, Raphael Geissert <geissert@...> wrote:
>> > merkel has been moved to apache2 and php5 recently, and userdirs are
>> > disabled per DSA policy.
>
> Userdirs still work on merkel.  See:
> http://merkel.debian.org/~morph/

Oh didn't check that; so it's disabled just on qa.d.o virtualhost.

Regards,
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[Raphael Geissert-4]

Bart Martens wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:16:33PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 16:10, Raphael Geissert <geissert@...>
>> wrote:
>> > merkel has been moved to apache2 and php5 recently, and userdirs are
>> > disabled per DSA policy.
>
> Userdirs still work on merkel.  See:
> http://merkel.debian.org/~morph/
>

Yeah, but that's because it still uses apache, but DSA plans to switch
everything to apache2 sts.

>>
>> Am I the only one quite unhappy with this change? If I'm alone, no
>> problem, I'll find something else, but if we are a bit more, what do
>> you think about contacting DSA and ask to rethink about this change?
>>

I've asked them to re-enable it and it was denied, at least for the qa.d.o
case. One of the reasons was so that stuff that matters isn't restricted to
a person, so that in the event the person doesn't have time or whatever,
anyone else can take over.

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[Paul Wise-3]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Raphael Geissert <geissert@...> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:16:33PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>>> Am I the only one quite unhappy with this change? If I'm alone, no
>>> problem, I'll find something else, but if we are a bit more, what do
>>> you think about contacting DSA and ask to rethink about this change?
>
> I've asked them to re-enable it and it was denied, at least for the qa.d.o
> case. One of the reasons was so that stuff that matters isn't restricted to
> a person, so that in the event the person doesn't have time or whatever,
> anyone else can take over.

I can only applaud this reasoning for such a policy change.

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[Lucas Nussbaum]

On 13/10/09 at 23:38 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Raphael Geissert <geissert@...> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:16:33PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> >>> Am I the only one quite unhappy with this change? If I'm alone, no
> >>> problem, I'll find something else, but if we are a bit more, what do
> >>> you think about contacting DSA and ask to rethink about this change?
> >
> > I've asked them to re-enable it and it was denied, at least for the qa.d.o
> > case. One of the reasons was so that stuff that matters isn't restricted to
> > a person, so that in the event the person doesn't have time or whatever,
> > anyone else can take over.
>
> I can only applaud this reasoning for such a policy change.

I agree with the reasoning, but I don't think that this decision should
have been made without consulting the team first, and giving us enough
time to move all the pages in userdirs to qa.debian.org. Also, for
development or testing purposes, it is much more easier to develop in
one's homedir.

DSA, please re-enable userdirs on qa.debian.org. (RT ticket filed)
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[Lucas Nussbaum]

On 14/10/09 at 07:48 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:

> On 13/10/09 at 23:38 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Raphael Geissert <geissert@...> wrote:
> > >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:16:33PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> > >>> Am I the only one quite unhappy with this change? If I'm alone, no
> > >>> problem, I'll find something else, but if we are a bit more, what do
> > >>> you think about contacting DSA and ask to rethink about this change?
> > >
> > > I've asked them to re-enable it and it was denied, at least for the qa.d.o
> > > case. One of the reasons was so that stuff that matters isn't restricted to
> > > a person, so that in the event the person doesn't have time or whatever,
> > > anyone else can take over.
> >
> > I can only applaud this reasoning for such a policy change.
>
> I agree with the reasoning, but I don't think that this decision should
> have been made without consulting the team first, and giving us enough
> time to move all the pages in userdirs to qa.debian.org. Also, for
> development or testing purposes, it is much more easier to develop in
> one's homedir.
>
> DSA, please re-enable userdirs on qa.debian.org. (RT ticket filed)

So, after discussion on RT, it is clear that DSA doesn't want to
re-enable userdirs.

Does someone have time to investigate all the current ressources hosted
in userdirs (looking at apache2 logs, for example)? If not, we should
probably just announce that the data exported by qa.debian.org might be
inaccurate until someone finds all the places that need to be fixed.

- Lucas, very pissed off by the way DSA acted on this issue.


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[Raphael Hertzog-3]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Does someone have time to investigate all the current ressources hosted
> in userdirs (looking at apache2 logs, for example)? If not, we should
> probably just announce that the data exported by qa.debian.org might be
> inaccurate until someone finds all the places that need to be fixed.
>
> - Lucas, very pissed off by the way DSA acted on this issue.

I don't understand why you take it so badly. I don't see any major
problem due do this and the few problematic cases have been fixed already.

You can add a news to developer news requesting that people report
problems related to this change but I don't expect much feedback if any.

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