No news = bad news ?

[autozoom]

Hello, I think everyone is still waiting for news about project Woodstock future.
There have been no news or posts for the last weeks...does this mean this project is dead?

We NEED and DESERVE an answer as soon as possible, because of the faith we put into this innovative (that's what I thought) project.

Please.

Mauro

[Vijaya Bhaskar Tsaliki]

I am really worrying about the same... We just started developing lots
of applications using Woodstock, relying on Sun and Netbeans6.

It would be great if anyone can clarify the future of the Woodstock.

Vijay


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Subject: No news = bad news ?


Hello, I think everyone is still waiting for news about project
Woodstock
future.
There have been no news or posts for the last weeks...does this mean
this
project is dead?

We NEED and DESERVE an answer as soon as possible, because of the faith
we
put into this innovative (that's what I thought) project.

Please.

Mauro
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[Paolo Proni]

I agree with Mauro.
I developed something with Woodstock and I am switching to ICEFaces, because I
don't trust Woodstock future.

Please Sun, say something. If you have few available developers now for
woodstock, we can accept some months of delay in order to have a new version
in let's say 2 or 3 months. But like this... common... we don't know if the
project will survive!

Paolo

Il Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:49:46 autozoom ha scritto:

> Hello, I think everyone is still waiting for news about project Woodstock
> future.
> There have been no news or posts for the last weeks...does this mean this
> project is dead?
>
> We NEED and DESERVE an answer as soon as possible, because of the faith we
> put into this innovative (that's what I thought) project.
>
> Please.
>
> Mauro

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[FkJ]

NetBeans VWP and Woodstock are great projects, but there are some things that bother me (I'm using NB 6.1, NB 6.5 beta is crashing):

- VWP:

• Performance (seems to be improved in NB 6.5)
  
• Navigator almost never works (seems to be fixed in NB 6.5)
• No visual support for Facelets (don't know about NB 6.5)
• Components like Masthead and ContentPageTitle are still not in the Palette
  
• Dynamic fetch of binding attributes, so when the binding attribute is dynamically created I can't visually edit my page. Instead of that dumb abc on the component, it should only show what is inside the text attribute, like #{something}. I think it would even make VWP faster. (seems to be fixed in NB 6.5)

- Woodstock:

• Lack of AJAX. Dynamic Faces just doesn't works with it.
• Some components could be easier to use, for example its complicated to get Table's selected rows and to use a determinate progress bar.
• I know this seems to be related to dojo, but what about Firefox 3 support?
• Some bugs take a long time to be fixed
• It could have more components, such as drag and drop, effects, modal panel and others
  

I think AJAX issues will solved with JSF 2.0, but until there...

About other issues, since there no news, I'm worried as well.

I'm seriously considerating switching to RichFaces. I'll wait JSF 2.0 to decide.

2008/10/1 Paolo Proni <pproni@...>

I agree with Mauro.
I developed something with Woodstock and I am switching to ICEFaces, because I
don't trust Woodstock future.

Please Sun, say something. If you have few available developers now for
woodstock, we can accept some months of delay in order to have a new version
in let's say 2 or 3 months. But like this... common... we don't know if the
project will survive!

Paolo

Il Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:49:46 autozoom ha scritto:

> Hello, I think everyone is still waiting for news about project Woodstock
> future.
> There have been no news or posts for the last weeks...does this mean this
> project is dead?
>
> We NEED and DESERVE an answer as soon as possible, because of the faith we
> put into this innovative (that's what I thought) project.
>
> Please.
>
> Mauro

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[jsr]

I’m using the Woodstock team’s silence as an excuse to finally get rid of both them and VWP.

It has become painfully obvious that Project Woodstock, just like VWP, was designed as a proof of concept and not for use with production applications. This started becoming more evident when they decided to switch everything to use client side rendering even though performance was hideous. This approach works fine if you are just doing a small page with a couple of text fields, but a large production application is a different story. Their lack of communication about the status of the project is just the latest sign that they don’t intend on their components being seriously used in a production environment.

If I were you guys, I would be running away from Woodstock as fast as I could. Even if the project miraculously comes back to life, they’ve already shown that at any moment it could die again leaving everyone stuck using an unsupported set of components.

[FkJ]

I don't think NetBeans would let having a visual solution for JSF. Many people use NetBeans because of it and it seems to have a lot of bug fixes at NetBeans 6.5. I guess the big mystery is about Woodstock.

I have always preferred Sun's standards and implementations. Hope they don't screw up.

Meanwhile I'm "dating" Eclipse's WTP + RichFaces.

2008/10/1 jsr <j-nabble@...>

I'm using the Woodstock team's silence as an excuse to finally get rid of
both them and VWP.

It has become painfully obvious that Project Woodstock, just like VWP, was
designed as a proof of concept and not for use with production applications.
This started becoming more evident when they decided to switch everything to
use client side rendering even though performance was hideous. This approach
works fine if you are just doing a small page with a couple of text fields,
but a large production application is a different story. Their lack of
communication about the status of the project is just the latest sign that
they don't intend on their components being seriously used in a production
environment.

If I were you guys, I would be running away from Woodstock as fast as I
could. Even if the project miraculously comes back to life, they've already
shown that at any moment it could die again leaving everyone stuck using an
unsupported set of components.

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[fedevela]

I stayed with version 4.1, and although it is missing some bells and
whistles, so far so good as far as stability and compatibility.

At least I'll be able to check out that version and keep it for my own
purposes.

Nevertheless the lack of a straight answer is extremely worrying.

However I don't think it likely that Woodstock will be abandoned, since
it is at the core of the netbeans web platform.

You never know, I guess.

Federico Vela


Felipe Jaekel wrote:

> I don't think NetBeans would let having a visual solution for JSF. Many
> people use NetBeans because of it and it seems to have a lot of bug
> fixes at NetBeans 6.5. I guess the big mystery is about Woodstock.
>
> I have always preferred Sun's standards and implementations. Hope they
> don't screw up.
>
> Meanwhile I'm "dating" Eclipse's WTP + RichFaces.
>
> 2008/10/1 jsr <j-nabble@... <mailto:j-nabble@...>>
>
>
>     I'm using the Woodstock team's silence as an excuse to finally get
>     rid of
>     both them and VWP.
>
>     It has become painfully obvious that Project Woodstock, just like
>     VWP, was
>     designed as a proof of concept and not for use with production
>     applications.
>     This started becoming more evident when they decided to switch
>     everything to
>     use client side rendering even though performance was hideous. This
>     approach
>     works fine if you are just doing a small page with a couple of text
>     fields,
>     but a large production application is a different story. Their lack of
>     communication about the status of the project is just the latest
>     sign that
>     they don't intend on their components being seriously used in a
>     production
>     environment.
>
>     If I were you guys, I would be running away from Woodstock as fast as I
>     could. Even if the project miraculously comes back to life, they've
>     already
>     shown that at any moment it could die again leaving everyone stuck
>     using an
>     unsupported set of components.
>
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[jsr]

fedevela wrote:

However I don't think it likely that Woodstock will be abandoned, since
it is at the core of the netbeans web platform.

Officially, Woodstock seems to be a part of Glassfish though, not NetBeans. That means from a corporate politics standpoint, the Glassfish team was probably paying for developers to work on a project that was mainly being used by the NetBeans team. With Woodstock not officially being owned by NetBeans, they may not have much control over it.

My random guess is there is no announcement on Woodstock's future because the NetBeans team is trying to figure out how they can take over support of it. Or maybe Sun just gets enjoyment out of torturing their users...?

[SuperiorCourtMan]

I have used VWP 6.1 extensively and it is the best JSF GUI development you can find. The table binding wizard is awsome. I can layout all my components with ease. If they can make all their components ajax enabled by default, the VWP would blow all competitors away. Conversely, the 1.7.2 icefaces Plug-in is a piece of crap. There are so many problems with the icefaces layout editor. The most recent problem I encountered was when I bind a list to the icefaces table, the paginator and my column psuedo data on the editor disappear. This screws up my entire layout.

That said, they need to decide if they are going to continue to support the VWP pack soon or or will problably go with Icefaces non-visual approach. At least the icefaces is fully ajax capable.

autozoom wrote:

Hello, I think everyone is still waiting for news about project Woodstock future.
There have been no news or posts for the last weeks...does this mean this project is dead?

We NEED and DESERVE an answer as soon as possible, because of the faith we put into this innovative (that's what I thought) project.

Please.

Mauro