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Non-functional Tremolos
by CarlDu
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Non-functional Tremolos
All three Tremolos are non-functional in my implementation of jOrgan. My computer is an Intel Celeron CPU 2.40GHz with 1GB of RAM, running Windows XP Pro (32 bit). A single Creative SoundBlaster Audigy card is in PCI slot 1 with driver version 5.12.1.512 dated 7/8/2005. Creative SoundFont Bank Manager ver.3.21.00 tells me that eorg105tremtest.sf2 is loaded in Banks 000, 020, and 021. I recently moved from jOrgan 3.7 to 3.8-beta2. I'm playing the English Organ eorg_e104_v3.4SB.disposition as customized for my DIY-midified 2MP Allen TC-4 organ using MIDI hardware from Roman Sowa (Poland). All three Tremolos (Solo, Swell, Choir) are set Locking - True, with the following typical messages: Activate Equal 193 Equal 124 Equal 0 Deactivate Equal 193 Equal 124 Equal 0 [Note: Equal 193 or 194 or 195, as the case may be] Engaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. Engaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 20 Trem amplitude depth. Engaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 12 Set trem amplitude depth. Engaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. Engaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 17 LFO (trem) frequency. Engaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 2 Set trem pitch depth. Engaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. Engaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 1 Trem pitch depth controller. Engaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 50 Set trem frequency. Disengaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. Disengaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 20 Trem amplitude depth. Disengaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 0 Reset trem amplitude depth off. Disengaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. Disengaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 17 LFO (trem) frequency. Disengaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 0 Reset trem pitch depth off. Disengaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. Disengaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 1 Trem pitch depth controller. Disengaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 0 Reset trem frequency off. [Note: The amplitude depth, pitch depth, and frequency settings vary slightly among the three Tremolos, but are mostly disposition defaults.] jOrgan flags no Problems, and all the speaking stops, couplers and combination pistons function, but none of the three Tremolos is functional. Does anyone know how to help me get them working? CDDu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by lwalls
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Carl,
The NRPN values that you are setting in your "Enagaged" messages, and resetting in your "Disengaged" message are only tailoring the LFO parameters. They are not really turning LFO modulation on and off. LFO Modulation is actually turned on (127) and off (0) with Continuous Controller 1. However, once LFO Modulation HAS been turned on, the resetting of the NRPN parameters in your "Disengaged" set will effectively set the LFO amplitude to 0 -- which for all intents will make the LFO Modulation "appear" to be OFF. What you need to do is add an "Engaged" message to turn ON LFO Modulation: Engaged Set 176 Set 1 Set 127 Turn on LFO Modulation and then you should turn it off with a "Disengaged" message: Disengaged Set 176 Set 1 Set 0 Trun off LFO Modulation CLW -------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl and Lauretta DuBois wrote: > Non-functional Tremolos > > All three Tremolos are non-functional in my implementation of jOrgan. > > My computer is an Intel Celeron CPU 2.40GHz with 1GB of RAM, running > Windows XP Pro (32 bit). A single Creative SoundBlaster Audigy card is > in PCI slot 1 with driver version 5.12.1.512 dated 7/8/2005. Creative > SoundFont Bank Manager ver.3.21.00 tells me that eorg105tremtest.sf2 is > loaded in Banks 000, 020, and 021. I recently moved from jOrgan 3.7 to > 3.8-beta2. I'm playing the English Organ eorg_e104_v3.4SB.disposition > as customized for my DIY-midified 2MP Allen TC-4 organ using MIDI > hardware from Roman Sowa (Poland). All three Tremolos (Solo, Swell, > Choir) are set Locking - True, with the following typical messages: > > Activate Equal 193 Equal 124 Equal 0 > Deactivate Equal 193 Equal 124 Equal 0 > [Note: Equal 193 or 194 or 195, as the case may be] > > Engaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. > Engaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 20 Trem amplitude depth. > Engaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 12 Set trem amplitude depth. > Engaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. > Engaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 17 LFO (trem) frequency. > Engaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 2 Set trem pitch depth. > Engaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. > Engaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 1 Trem pitch depth controller. > Engaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 50 Set trem frequency. > > Disengaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. > Disengaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 20 Trem amplitude depth. > Disengaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 0 Reset trem amplitude depth off. > Disengaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. > Disengaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 17 LFO (trem) frequency. > Disengaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 0 Reset trem pitch depth off. > Disengaged Set 176 Set 99 Set 127 Soundfont NPRN identifier. > Disengaged Set 176 Set 98 Set 1 Trem pitch depth controller. > Disengaged Set 176 Set 38 Set 0 Reset trem frequency off. > > [Note: The amplitude depth, pitch depth, and frequency settings vary > slightly among the three Tremolos, but are mostly disposition defaults.] > > jOrgan flags no Problems, and all the speaking stops, couplers and > combination pistons function, but none of the three Tremolos is > functional. Does anyone know how to help me get them working? > > CDDu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by CarlDu
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CLWells,
Ok, I incorporated the suggested two lines in each of the three Tremolos (Swell, Choir, Solo), but the only stop that now produces a Tremolo is the Stopped Flute 8 on the Swell. No other stops are affected, so something additional must be wrong. Since my organ has only two manuals, I access the Choir and Solo manuals through Choir-Swell and Solo-Swell couplers, but I don't think that should prevent the Choir and Solo Tremolos from affecting their respective ranks. Any more suggestions? Carl
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by John Beach
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Carl, while in Construct Mode, Click on each division's tremolo and under
References make sure that all the Ranks in that division that you want to be affected by the tremolo are listed. That is probably what the reason is that you are only hearing the Stopped Flute 8. You are right that the tremolo only affects those stops of the division which are referenced to it in that division. Also make sure that everything references the Console Name. Any of these items that are missing will cause the tremolo to not function. John Beach ----- Original Message ----- From: "CarlDu" <carl-lauretta_dubois@...> To: <jorgan-user@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] Non-functional Tremolos > > CLWells, > > Ok, I incorporated the suggested two lines in each of the three Tremolos > (Swell, Choir, Solo), but the only stop that now produces a Tremolo is the > Stopped Flute 8 on the Swell. No other stops are affected, so something > additional must be wrong. Since my organ has only two manuals, I access > the > Choir and Solo manuals through Choir-Swell and Solo-Swell couplers, but I > don't think that should prevent the Choir and Solo Tremolos from affecting > their respective ranks. Any more suggestions? > > Carl > > > What you need to do is add an "Engaged" message to turn ON LFO Modulation: > Engaged Set 176 Set 1 Set 127 Turn on LFO Modulation > and then you should turn it off with a "Disengaged" message: > Disengaged Set 176 Set 1 Set 0 Turn off LFO Modulation > > CLW > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Non-functional-Tremolos-tp25761042p25763207.html > Sent from the jOrgan - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register > now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by CarlDu
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Success!
With the help of John Beach, I finally have the Tremolos functioning in Bruce Miles' English Organ. Earlier today I read in Bill Skees' "A Beginners Guide to jOrgan" volume 1, that "Your sound cards must not only be Creative Labs Sound Blaster or Sound Blaster Audigy sound cards, but...they can only be certain models. The official jOrgan website lists the cards at http://jorgan.sourceforge.net/sound:hardware:creative ...." Because my Creative SoundBlaster Audigy SE-VARPak model SB0570 was not in Bill's list, I began to doubt whether the English Organ tremolos would ever work. But after reading John's latest message (below), I was emboldened to delete the 18 default lines of Engaged and Disengaged messages from each of the three Tremolos, replacing them with the two lines he suggested. So there are now only four message lines for each Tremolo. After saving the changed eorg_e104_v3.4SB.disposition file and reloading it, I was delighted to find the Tremolos are now working. The only exceptions that I know of are the Fanfare Trumpet 8, the Tuba 8, and the Cornet V, all reed ranks on the Solo manual. My conclusion is that these three ranks do not have tremmed samples in the eorg105tremtest.sf2 file loaded into my SoundBlaster sound card. Nothing succeeds like success! ================ latest personal message received =============== John Beach wrote: The English Organ soundfont has the presets set to frequency 5.001 for Tremolo and they just need to have the modulation message. In jOrgan, Engaged Set 176 Set 1 Set 38 (from about 38 to 50 is good for that frequency, I set mine to 43) and Disengaged Set 176 Set 1 Set 0 Zero turns it completely off. If you have it set to 127 it will produce a Tremulant but it magnifies the effect disproportionately. I hope this is helpful. ================ previous personal message received =============== John Beach wrote: If you are using Bruce Miles' English Organ, the soundfont uses Program Changes that have Tremulant settings within the soundfont presets. Instead of your having to send a MIDI message, use Set 176 Set 1 Set 50 (or whatever rate you like). The English Organ disposition uses Program Change messages to activate the Rank with the Tremmed Samples. |
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Re: Comptible SoundBlasters
by P K
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Comptible SoundBlasters
by John Beach
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Yes, but one could still use Fluidsynth with them
and the sound quality and polyphony from Fluidsynth, according to
some, is superior to the Creative Sound. Finding the ideal settings in
Fluidsynth requires some trial and error but it does work well. And, yes,
you can't argue with Success.
John Beach
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Re: Comptible SoundBlasters
by Pete Theisen
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Paul Kealy wrote:
> When I purchased four matching cards, they shook hands well. > This is explained in a link on my website. Hi Paul, The "4" one goes to an error message. "Not Found The requested URL /16 Outputs_SoundBlaster Meets kX.pdf was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.stentorvox.com Port 80" Maybe you've moved it? -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by greenfox Rick
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A further question about Trems
In the Christie disposition I am using a Soundfont file in Fluidsynth. I am using the "sub 50" function to control the Trems. I have noticed that the Trem change only takes effect when you either change note or release and replay the current note. Is this the only way this can function? How can I configure the Trem function to change the current playing note? Thank you Regards Rick CarlDu wrote: > Success! > With the help of John Beach, I finally have the Tremolos functioning in > Bruce Miles' English Organ. > > Earlier today I read in Bill Skees' "A Beginners Guide to jOrgan" volume 1, > that "Your sound cards must not only be Creative Labs Sound Blaster or Sound > Blaster Audigy sound cards, but...they can only be certain models. The > official jOrgan website lists the cards at > > http://jorgan.sourceforge.net/sound:hardware:creative ...." > > Because my Creative SoundBlaster Audigy SE-VARPak model SB0570 was not in > Bill's list, I began to doubt whether the English Organ tremolos would ever > work. > > But after reading John's latest message (below), I was emboldened to delete > the 18 default lines of Engaged and Disengaged messages from each of the > three Tremolos, replacing them with the two lines he suggested. So there are > now only four message lines for each Tremolo. After saving the changed > eorg_e104_v3.4SB.disposition file and reloading it, I was delighted to find > the Tremolos are now working. The only exceptions that I know of are the > Fanfare Trumpet 8, the Tuba 8, and the Cornet V, all reed ranks on the Solo > manual. My conclusion is that these three ranks do not have tremmed samples > in the eorg105tremtest.sf2 file loaded into my SoundBlaster sound card. > > Nothing succeeds like success! > > > ================ latest personal message received =============== > John Beach wrote: > > The English Organ soundfont has the presets set to frequency 5.001 for > Tremolo and they just need to have the modulation message. In jOrgan, > Engaged Set 176 Set 1 Set 38 > (from about 38 to 50 is good for that frequency, I set mine to 43) and > Disengaged Set 176 Set 1 Set 0 > Zero turns it completely off. If you have it set to 127 it will produce a > Tremulant but it magnifies the effect disproportionately. I hope this is > helpful. > > ================ previous personal message received =============== > John Beach wrote: > > If you are using Bruce Miles' English Organ, the soundfont uses Program > Changes that have Tremulant settings within the soundfont presets. Instead > of your having to send a MIDI message, use Set 176 Set 1 Set 50 (or whatever > rate you like). The English Organ disposition uses Program Change messages > to activate the Rank with the Tremmed Samples. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by John Beach
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1."I have noticed that the Trem change only takes effect when you either
change note or release and replay the current note. 2. Is this the only way this can function? 3. How can I configure the Trem function to change the current playing note?" I infer that you are talking about the fact that, if while holding a key/chord you turn on the tremulant, it does not start....Sven will have to confirm this, but I think this involves the idea of a time-relative switch message interrupting a frequency/volume state and the keys, being switches in the MIDI protocol, require a "re-switching" in order for the change to take place. If/since that is the case, that is the only way that can take place, unless with the program change (i.e., Stopped Flute 8 NT, no trem to Stopped Flute 8 Trem) message involving tremmed samples or the tremmed state of the preset in the soundfont, it is not the same as the switch concept as explained above. Concerning 3 above, if by "to change the current playing note" you mean alter it by frequency or volume, in the soundfont that is done in the modulation envelope section of Vienna Soundfont Studio. The frequency is set and then the pitch or volume (Tremolo or Vibrato difference). Otherwise, the trem function is effectuated in the two manners described, either by the Trem switch Engaged/Disengaged or by the Program Change message to change Preset from untremmed preset to tremmed preset. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by lwalls
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See responses below...
Rick (greenfox) wrote: > In the Christie disposition I am using a Soundfont file in Fluidsynth. > I am using the "sub 50" function to control the Trems. This is one of the ways that SAMPLED trems are handled. When you turn the Trem on, the sample is switched in the MIDI channel using the MIDI ProgChg command to a patch number which is 50 less than the patch number of the un-tremmed sample. > I have noticed that the Trem change only takes effect when you either > change note or release and replay the current note. Yes. When the MIDI ProgChg command is used to change the sample in the MIDI channel, you will not hear the effect of this voice change until the NEXT newly played note. Any notes being held (playing) at the time that the trem is turned on and off will NOT change to the new voice while still being held/playing. > > Is this the only way this can function? Yes. > > How can I configure the Trem function to change the current playing note? You would have to change the trem feature from using SAMPLED trems to the Low Frequency Oscillator (LFO) "artificial" trem method. The LFO trem may be switched on and off with the MIDI CC 1 command. This method of engaging and disengaging the LFO trem will indeed affect currently playing notes like you want -- but in order to use this method, you will have to give up the sampled trems. CLW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by greenfox Rick
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Hi Lynn
Thank you for the clear answers and description of options. I will do some experimenting. What is your preference on handling Trem? Regards Rick Lynn Walls wrote: > See responses below... > > Rick (greenfox) wrote: > > In the Christie disposition I am using a Soundfont file in Fluidsynth. > >> I am using the "sub 50" function to control the Trems. >> > > This is one of the ways that SAMPLED trems are handled. When you turn > the Trem on, the sample is switched in the MIDI channel using the MIDI > ProgChg command to a patch number which is 50 less than the patch number > of the un-tremmed sample. > > >> I have noticed that the Trem change only takes effect when you either >> change note or release and replay the current note. >> > > Yes. When the MIDI ProgChg command is used to change the sample in the > MIDI channel, you will not hear the effect of this voice change until > the NEXT newly played note. Any notes being held (playing) at the time > that the trem is turned on and off will NOT change to the new voice > while still being held/playing. > > >> Is this the only way this can function? >> > > Yes. > > >> How can I configure the Trem function to change the current playing note? >> > > You would have to change the trem feature from using SAMPLED trems to > the Low Frequency Oscillator (LFO) "artificial" trem method. The LFO > trem may be switched on and off with the MIDI CC 1 command. This method > of engaging and disengaging the LFO trem will indeed affect currently > playing notes like you want -- but in order to use this method, you will > have to give up the sampled trems. > > CLW > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by lwalls
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Given the trade-off between sampled trems and no-immediate-effect for
held notes, versus LFO trems and immediate-effect for held notes, my preference is for sampled trems. If you are using GSO3 as your sound rendering engine (instead of Creative sound cards or Fluidsynth) you can configure GSO3 to trigger the trem samples with the CC 1 command rather than having to use the ProgChg command. However, I'm not sure this fixes the "no-immediate-effect for held notes" problem. Try this latter question on Joe Hardy (VTPO forum). If anyone can answer this definitively, he can. CLW ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick (greenfox) wrote: > What is your preference on handling Trem? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by greenfox Rick
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Just out of interest, I notice that Miditzer seems to
deal with this. It is using Patch Change control with Tremmed and
Un-tremmed samples through Fluidsynth. The Trem change takes effect at
the time of switching. It does actually sound like it re-triggers the
note its self (almost unnoticed) for the change to take effect. This
re-triggering of the note seems to be done in a clever way that does
not re-trigger a percussive voice if it is registered on at the same
time.
Regards Rick Lynn Walls wrote: Given the trade-off between sampled trems and no-immediate-effect for held notes, versus LFO trems and immediate-effect for held notes, my preference is for sampled trems. If you are using GSO3 as your sound rendering engine (instead of Creative sound cards or Fluidsynth) you can configure GSO3 to trigger the trem samples with the CC 1 command rather than having to use the ProgChg command. However, I'm not sure this fixes the "no-immediate-effect for held notes" problem. Try this latter question on Joe Hardy (VTPO forum). If anyone can answer this definitively, he can. CLW ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick (greenfox) wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by Bruce Miles-2
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Rick et al,
The NRPN method of of configuring trems does allow 'while notes are held'switching It has been around for some years, is well documented in the jOrgan Notes (para 31ii ) and is used in both the English and Village organs on my website. But the problems are it will only work in Creative sound cards and not all of them. And accurate setting is not very easy. For these reasons the 'patch change' method is preferred for theatre organ , but this suffers from the 'can't switch while notes are held, problem which is of some importance for theatre organ. There is another method which can be configured in jOrgan, allows 'notes-on' switching and works in Fluidsynth which I have working. When I have a complete functional disposition I will let you know . So - - - watch this space. Cheers Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick (greenfox)" <greenfox4075@...> To: <jorgan-user@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] Non-functional Tremolos > Just out of interest, I notice that Miditzer seems to deal with this. It > is using Patch Change control with Tremmed and Un-tremmed samples through > Fluidsynth. The Trem change takes effect at the time of switching. It > does actually sound like it re-triggers the note its self (almost > unnoticed) for the change to take effect. This re-triggering of the note > seems to be done in a clever way that does not re-trigger a percussive > voice if it is registered on at the same time. > > Regards > Rick > > Lynn Walls wrote: > Given the trade-off between sampled trems and no-immediate-effect for > held notes, versus LFO trems and immediate-effect for held notes, my > preference is for sampled trems. > > If you are using GSO3 as your sound rendering engine (instead of > Creative sound cards or Fluidsynth) you can configure GSO3 to trigger > the trem samples with the CC 1 command rather than having to use the > ProgChg command. However, I'm not sure this fixes the > "no-immediate-effect for held notes" problem. > > Try this latter question on Joe Hardy (VTPO forum). If anyone can > answer this definitively, he can. > > CLW > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Rick (greenfox) wrote: > What is your preference on handling Trem? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > jOrgan-user mailing list > jOrgan-user@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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Re: Non-functional Tremolos
by greenfox Rick
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Thanks Bruce
I look forward to your new findings when they are ready. Regards Rick Bruce Miles wrote: Rick et al, The NRPN method of of configuring trems does allow 'while notes are held'switching It has been around for some years, is well documented in the jOrgan Notes (para 31ii ) and is used in both the English and Village organs on my website. But the problems are it will only work in Creative sound cards and not all of them. And accurate setting is not very easy. For these reasons the 'patch change' method is preferred for theatre organ , but this suffers from the 'can't switch while notes are held, problem which is of some importance for theatre organ. There is another method which can be configured in jOrgan, allows 'notes-on' switching and works in Fluidsynth which I have working. When I have a complete functional disposition I will let you know . So - - - watch this space. Cheers Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick (greenfox)" greenfox4075@... To: jorgan-user@... Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] Non-functional TremolosJust out of interest, I notice that Miditzer seems to deal with this. It is using Patch Change control with Tremmed and Un-tremmed samples through Fluidsynth. The Trem change takes effect at the time of switching. It does actually sound like it re-triggers the note its self (almost unnoticed) for the change to take effect. This re-triggering of the note seems to be done in a clever way that does not re-trigger a percussive voice if it is registered on at the same time. Regards Rick Lynn Walls wrote: Given the trade-off between sampled trems and no-immediate-effect for held notes, versus LFO trems and immediate-effect for held notes, my preference is for sampled trems. If you are using GSO3 as your sound rendering engine (instead of Creative sound cards or Fluidsynth) you can configure GSO3 to trigger the trem samples with the CC 1 command rather than having to use the ProgChg command. However, I'm not sure this fixes the "no-immediate-effect for held notes" problem. Try this latter question on Joe Hardy (VTPO forum). If anyone can answer this definitively, he can. CLW ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick (greenfox) wrote: What is your preference on handling Trem? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference--------------------------------------------------------------------------------_______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference _______________________________________________ jOrgan-user mailing list jOrgan-user@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jorgan-user |
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