Not proposing Emerillon as a Gnome module?

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Not proposing Emerillon as a Gnome module?

by Pierre-Luc Beaudoin-4 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,

Emerillon is a map viewer. Aiming at simple user interface, Emerillon is
a powerful, extensible application. It features OpenStreetMap based
maps.  Use it to browse maps, search the map for places, placemark
places for later quick access and more!

Web Site: http://www.novopia.com/emerillon/

Over the past weeks, people have asked me over and over to propose
Emerillon to be included in Gnome 2.30.  While I do want to see it
widely distributed and recognized, it is my understanding that in the
future (based on GCDS presentations), Gnome would not accept general
applications as modules.

Emerillon uses Gnome technologies.  Emerillon follows Gnome HIG and UI
concepts.  It would be a perfect fit.  But is that why we should include
it in Gnome? The same reasoning could apply to some of the latest
additions in Gnome: should we include it in Gnome simply because it is
good?

AFAIR, the new www.gnome.org will make place for applications to be
promoted.  Such visibility could replace inclusion.  A sort of "blessed"
application set. That would be fine for Emerillon I think.

On the technical side of proposing Emerillon in Gnome:
      * The following dependencies are not blessed Gnome dependencies:
              * Ethos http://git.dronelabs.com/ethos/
              * librest http://moblin.org/projects/librest
              * Geoclue
                http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue 
      * It is already using Gnome resources (git, ftp, bugzilla, l10n)
      * Packages are already available for Debian, Ubuntu Karmic, Fedora
        Rawhide, Gentoo overlay, OpenSuse
      * It is 3.0 ready (Goal wise)
      * It is GPL 2+ with some files LGPL in case they'd be worthy of
        making part of a future lib.
      * Emerillon is quite young yet.  It doesn't even have a release
        schedule or a stable release, but it can be made to follow
        Gnome's.
      * On the A11y side, it lags just like libchamplain does. Users
        will still be able to see the data in sidebars, but the map
        itself is "opaque".
      * On the l10n side, thanks to the very efficient Gnome l10n teams,
        Emerillon is already available in 7 languages!

So what does the community think?

Pierre-Luc Beaudoin


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Re: Not proposing Emerillon as a Gnome module?

by Andre Klapper :: Rate this Message:

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Am Montag, den 19.10.2009, 12:40 -0400 schrieb Pierre-Luc Beaudoin:
> Emerillon is a map viewer.
>
> So what does the community think?

The GNOME release-team will soon decide about module inclusions for
GNOME 2.30.

To the GNOME developers:
If you have not commented yet, if there is anything to add, if you have
questions to the maintainer: Please comment now.

To the maintainers who have proposed a module or a new dependency:
If there have been changes/improvements/fixes compared to when this
module was proposed: Mention them.
Also see http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleProposing again.

andre
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Re: Not proposing Emerillon as a Gnome module?

by Pierre-Luc Beaudoin-4 :: Rate this Message:

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On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 00:08 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> To the GNOME developers:
> If you have not commented yet, if there is anything to add, if you
> have questions to the maintainer: Please comment now.

After discussing the question on IRC, the following facts have been
highlighted:
      * It would be way too early to include Emerillon in Gnome.  I
        entirely agree with that, I almost didn't send the previous
        email, but after all, how can you be too soon to not propose
        something? :)  The idea was to start the discussion on whether
        we should include or not every software just because people
        demand it.
      * Applications should grow and have a little life out of Gnome
        before inclusion.
      * Adding every applications has the effect of limiting
        competition.  I can point an exception but still their efforts
        seems "useless" because "we already have such an application".
        Therefore, adding Emerillon would keep other people from
        possibly proposing better solutions.  And we are not even
        approaching the itchy problem of removing apps.

So I think the release team shouldn't even consider this email as a
proposal.

Thanks :)

Pierre-Luc


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