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Fwd: [senit] New amazing Open Source technology

2009-11-20T05:54:25Z

Thanks David , and right at the end Pranav says he is open open
sourcing the code, hardware is cheap.

Steve

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Subject: [senit] New amazing Open Source technology
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Sorry for any cross-posting but I thought this is mind blowing!

http://www.ted.com/talks/pranav_mistry_the_thrilling_potential_of_sixthsense_technology.html

David

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OSS Watch Engaged Community building Workshop

2009-11-20T04:23:18Z

Those of you working in FE or HE and working on open source projects
may be interested in the OSS Watch workshops on 7 Dec

http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/events/2009-12-07_community/programme.xml

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Re: SAPI on Windows 7

2009-11-12T02:21:45Z

Hi Steve, that is what they say, but after the Vista fiasco they want people to buy new software, which the software and hardware companies also benefit from, they are trying to sell new computers now with Windows 7 on, when an existing Vista computer could be upgraded quite easily...

By porting Sapi5 I mean the OpenSapi project which Tom Lloyd is working on. He is using Wine and speech-dispatcher to allow people to use the Sapi5 voices people have bought on their Linux machines - It is still in development, but apparently it is as responsive as Gnome speech, and provides better quality voices especially at high speed. Obviously he is not allowed to provide or distribute the voices or the sapi5 runtime, but users are allowed to download these themselves. I am hoping that when it is ready he will let us intergrate it into the Vinux project as an option for users with their own sapi5 voices.

drbongo

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Sent: 12 November 2009 10:09
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Subject: Re: [oats-sig] SAPI on Windows 7

2009/11/12 Anthony Sales <tony.sales@...>:
> >From what I have heard, the old voices are not compatible, Tom Lloyd who is working on porting sapi5 to Linux had to make adjustments to get the new voices to work, so I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft want everyone to buy new voices etc.

But MS 'never' break backward compatibility. At least that used to be
the corporate line.

What do you mean 'porting SAPI 5' ?

Steve

Re: SAPI on Windows 7

2009-11-12T02:09:09Z

2009/11/12 Anthony Sales <tony.sales@...>:
> >From what I have heard, the old voices are not compatible, Tom Lloyd who is working on porting sapi5 to Linux had to make adjustments to get the new voices to work, so I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft want everyone to buy new voices etc.

But MS 'never' break backward compatibility. At least that used to be
the corporate line.

What do you mean 'porting SAPI 5' ?

Steve

Re: SAPI on Windows 7

2009-11-12T02:01:22Z

>From what I have heard, the old voices are not compatible, Tom Lloyd who is working on porting sapi5 to Linux had to make adjustments to get the new voices to work, so I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft want everyone to buy new voices etc.

drbongo

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Subject: [oats-sig] SAPI on Windows 7

Who knows the score of SAPI on Windows 7?

I've had PowerTalk question about installing male voices to complement
the default female voice but the user is having no luck.

The caller tried to install the old Mike and Mary SAPI 5 voice
installer that I provide and the access centre only lets you see the
female voice, not make any selections. He found some other SAPI files
on his system but can do nothing with them. Also the PowerTalk
shortcut to speech.cpl is broken so I guess things have moved around.

Does anyone know:

a) are old SAPI 5 voices compatible with 7
b) are their any other free voices that can be installed on 7
c) how user select different voices

Steve

SAPI on Windows 7

2009-11-12T01:58:35Z

Who knows the score of SAPI on Windows 7?

I've had PowerTalk question about installing male voices to complement
the default female voice but the user is having no luck.

The caller tried to install the old Mike and Mary SAPI 5 voice
installer that I provide and the access centre only lets you see the
female voice, not make any selections. He found some other SAPI files
on his system but can do nothing with them. Also the PowerTalk
shortcut to speech.cpl is broken so I guess things have moved around.

Does anyone know:

a) are old SAPI 5 voices compatible with 7
b) are their any other free voices that can be installed on 7
c) how user select different voices

Steve

Re: EyeWriter

2009-11-12T01:51:34Z

2009/11/12 Judge Simon (Barnsley Hospital NHS Foundation Trust)
<simon.judge@...>:
> It is awesome isn't it... I think (guess), having just skimmed this before, that the actual grafiti was done through the tobii and that the headmounted device shown is based on opengazer... (still want to try this, waiting for my IR camera, must chase it!!!)

A dev tweeted back and seemed to say they wrote all the software - but
who knows without looking at the code.

How to make the EyeWriter goggles - http://bit.ly/1ZZk18

Steve

Re: The $12 computer

2009-11-12T00:39:42Z

Nice, get Maavis to run on that?!!

S

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Good for AT?
Playpower.org and the $12 computer - good summary presentation
http://bit.ly/3T6gc1

Steve

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Re: EyeWriter

2009-11-12T00:19:22Z

It is awesome isn't it... I think (guess), having just skimmed this before, that the actual grafiti was done through the tobii and that the headmounted device shown is based on opengazer... (still want to try this, waiting for my IR camera, must chase it!!!)

S

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Subject: [oats-sig] EyeWriter

EyeWriter is great use of open eye tracking. Seem to be using on a MyTobii, wonder if is opengazer?

http://www.eyewriter.org/ (

via @humphd)

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Re: Simplified Linux desktop for elderly

2009-11-12T00:16:11Z

Great idea!

One of the advantages of MAAVIS over other equivalent systems such as this is that, since it is browser based, it can be installed on any platform/hardware (e.g. a netbook tablet), or pre-installed on a bit of hardware in the same way as say a home-access computer would be...

Simon

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Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Simplified Linux desktop for elderly

It's a start but we need for the 10,000,000 "hard to reach elderly" the equivalent of the Home Access Project (http://www.becta.org.uk/homeaccess)%20being rolled out through Becta this year and through to 2011. This will benefit a number of learners who lack access to a computer and the internet at home for financial reasons. As you can see it will provide a computer, software, free broadband, and accessibility devices (by the way ACE and others will, we hope, be involved in the April 2010 roll out).

While it is very good to see Linux and opensource underpinning Simplicity, it won't, I fear, make much of a dent into the 10 million "hard to reach elderly" until and unless the cost of the hardware and Internet access are also subsidised.

Still, it's a good start.

Andrew.

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From: Steve Lee
Sent: Wed 11/11/2009 08:56
To: maavis@...; OATs Project Special Interest Group
Subject: [oats-sig] Simplified Linux desktop for elderly

Thanks to @opensourcerer who tweeted about the SiimplicITy [1] desktop that was on R4 and also a video. It's a commercial venture [2] based on the Eldy [3] desktop and runs on Mint Linux (Ubuntu based, somewhat simplified). As a "front end" to Linux it allows transition to full apps and desktop.

Some interesting overlap with Maavis [4], but also some differences (e.g Maavis has easy facilitator set up). I spotted in the video that web pages are not simplified as we would like to achieve.

1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8352606.stm,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8353468.stm (video)
2: http://www.discount-age.co.uk/simplicity_computers/
3: http://computerforelderly.wordpress.com/
4: http://is.gd/4SmpU
5: https://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/maavis

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EyeWriter

2009-11-11T05:42:17Z

EyeWriter is great use of open eye tracking. Seem to be using on a
MyTobii, wonder if is opengazer?

http://www.eyewriter.org/ (

via @humphd)

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Re: oats-sig Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4 - 1. Simplified Linux for the elderly

2009-11-11T05:33:34Z

Hi Peeps,

I always liked Linpus Lite used on Acer Laptops (I spent a whole day
downloading it from Taiwan - their server was either over loaded or
restrictive - 10 Mb/s!) I liked its tabbed desktop neatly split into
Internet/Work/Play/Learn/Settings(System). I went to look for an update
yesterday but there are now some tenuous links to something called
Moblin and wondered if it has been acquired by Intel as I keep coming
across Moblin and Intel when browsing the Internet - oh dear oh dear!

Best regards,
John.

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Thanks to @opensourcerer who tweeted about the SiimplicITy [1] desktop
that was on R4 and also a video. It's a commercial venture [2] based on
the Eldy [3] desktop and runs on Mint Linux (Ubuntu based, somewhat
simplified). As a "front end" to Linux it allows transition to full apps
and desktop.

Some interesting overlap with Maavis [4], but also some differences (e.g
Maavis has easy facilitator set up). I spotted in the video that web
pages are not simplified as we would like to achieve.

1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8352606.stm,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8353468.stm (video)
2: http://www.discount-age.co.uk/simplicity_computers/
3: http://computerforelderly.wordpress.com/
4: http://is.gd/4SmpU
5: https://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/maavis

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:39:01 +0000
From: Andrew Lysley <lysley@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Simplified Linux desktop for elderly
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
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It's a start but we need for the 10,000,000 "hard to reach elderly" the
equivalent of the Home Access Project
(http://www.becta.org.uk/homeaccess)%20being rolled out through Becta
this year and through to 2011. This will benefit a number of learners
who lack access to a computer and the internet at home for financial
reasons. As you can see it will provide a computer, software, free
broadband, and accessibility devices (by the way ACE and others will, we
hope, be involved in the April 2010 roll out).

While it is very good to see Linux and opensource underpinning
Simplicity, it won't, I fear, make much of a dent into the 10 million
"hard to reach elderly" until and unless the cost of the hardware and
Internet access are also subsidised.

Still, it's a good start.

Andrew.

Andrew Lysley
Deputy Director/Head of Service Delivery
The ACE Centre Advisory Trust

Direct Office Tel: 01865 759802
Main Office Tel: 01865 759800
Main Office Fax: 01865 759810

Work E-mail: lysley@...
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From: Steve Lee
Sent: Wed 11/11/2009 08:56
To: maavis@...; OATs Project Special Interest Group
Subject: [oats-sig] Simplified Linux desktop for elderly

Thanks to @opensourcerer who tweeted about the SiimplicITy [1] desktop
that was on R4 and also a video. It's a commercial venture [2] based
on the Eldy [3] desktop and runs on Mint Linux (Ubuntu based, somewhat
simplified). As a "front end" to Linux it allows transition to full
apps and desktop.

Some interesting overlap with Maavis [4], but also some differences
(e.g Maavis has easy facilitator set up). I spotted in the video that
web pages are not simplified as we would like to achieve.

1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8352606.stm,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8353468.stm (video)
2: http://www.discount-age.co.uk/simplicity_computers/
3: http://computerforelderly.wordpress.com/
4: http://is.gd/4SmpU
5: https://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/maavis

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Re: Simplified Linux desktop for elderly

2009-11-11T01:39:01Z

It's a start but we need for the 10,000,000 "hard to reach elderly" the equivalent of the Home Access Project (http://www.becta.org.uk/homeaccess)%20being rolled out through Becta this year and through to 2011. This will benefit a number of learners who lack access to a computer and the internet at home for financial reasons. As you can see it will provide a computer, software, free broadband, and accessibility devices (by the way ACE and others will, we hope, be involved in the April 2010 roll out).

While it is very good to see Linux and opensource underpinning Simplicity, it won't, I fear, make much of a dent into the 10 million "hard to reach elderly" until and unless the cost of the hardware and Internet access are also subsidised.

Still, it's a good start.

Andrew.

Andrew Lysley

Deputy Director/Head of Service Delivery

The ACE Centre Advisory Trust

Direct Office Tel:    01865 759802
Main Office Tel:     01865 759800
Main Office Fax:    01865 759810

Work E-mail:

lysley@...
ACE website:

www.ace-centre.org.uk

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From: Steve Lee
Sent: Wed 11/11/2009 08:56
To: maavis@...; OATs Project Special Interest Group
Subject: [oats-sig] Simplified Linux desktop for elderly

Thanks to @opensourcerer who tweeted about the SiimplicITy [1] desktop
that was on R4 and also a video. It's a commercial venture [2] based
on the Eldy [3] desktop and runs on Mint Linux (Ubuntu based, somewhat
simplified). As a "front end" to Linux it allows transition to full
apps and desktop.

Some interesting overlap with Maavis [4], but also some differences
(e.g Maavis has easy facilitator set up).  I spotted in the video that
web pages are not simplified as we would like to achieve.

1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8352606.stm,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8353468.stm (video)
2: http://www.discount-age.co.uk/simplicity_computers/
3: http://computerforelderly.wordpress.com/
4: http://is.gd/4SmpU
5: https://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/maavis

-- 
Steve Lee

Simplified Linux desktop for elderly

2009-11-11T00:56:54Z

Thanks to @opensourcerer who tweeted about the SiimplicITy [1] desktop
that was on R4 and also a video. It's a commercial venture [2] based
on the Eldy [3] desktop and runs on Mint Linux (Ubuntu based, somewhat
simplified). As a "front end" to Linux it allows transition to full
apps and desktop.

Some interesting overlap with Maavis [4], but also some differences
(e.g Maavis has easy facilitator set up). I spotted in the video that
web pages are not simplified as we would like to achieve.

1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8352606.stm,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8353468.stm (video)
2: http://www.discount-age.co.uk/simplicity_computers/
3: http://computerforelderly.wordpress.com/
4: http://is.gd/4SmpU
5: https://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/maavis

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Steve Lee

Re: oats-sig Digest, Vol 58, Issue 2

2009-11-06T04:20:37Z

Gave it my "Love it!" vote!

John

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Subject: [oats-sig] The $12 computer
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Good for AT?
Playpower.org and the $12 computer - good summary presentation
http://bit.ly/3T6gc1

Steve

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The $12 computer

2009-11-05T06:03:28Z

Good for AT?
Playpower.org and the $12 computer - good summary presentation
http://bit.ly/3T6gc1

Steve

BBC i-player

2009-11-02T03:51:51Z

Dear colleagues,

Surprise surprise, I have just learnt from a colleague on the vi-forum that the BBC is scrapping its audio streaming of programmes more-or-less imminently for home listeners but not overseas due to the i-player now being able to have flash content courtesy of Adobe! (There goes security on the Wii for a start!). If any of you are aware of an open source utility that will stream audio content from the i-Player, please let me know so I can forward the information on - Perhaps a new project in the making?

Best regards,

John.

Fwd: [Accessibility-atspi] Releasing Anumaan...

2009-11-01T08:09:24Z

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Naveen Kumar <nav007@...>
Date: 2009/10/30
Subject: [Accessibility-atspi] Releasing Anumaan...
To: accessibility-atspi@...

Hi,
We are announcing the release of alpha-0.1 version of Anumaan, a
perspective based, on-screen predictive text entry system for GNOME
desktop.Anumaan is an extension of an Input Method (IM) mechanism (on
GNOME desktop) in the sense that it extends its (IM) notion by
including the power of text prediction. It has support for UTF-8
unicode encoding. Anumaan is ported to Gtk+ text widget using AT-SPI
library.

Please do refer to my blog post for more details at
http://moebiuscurve.livejournal.com/26656.html.

Anumaan URLs:

Anumaan Main Page on CDAC Mumbai Website:
http://www.cdacmumbai.in/index.php/cdacmumbai/research_and_publications/research_groups/open_source_soft_division/projects/anumaan

AnumaanLinux source download:
http://www.cdacmumbai.in/projects/anumaan/downloads/AnumaanLinux-alpha-0.1.tar.gz
(released under GNU/GPL 3.0 License)

AnumaanLinux Documentation can be accessed at:
http://www.cdacmumbai.in/projects/anumaan/docs/AnumaanLinuxUserManual/index.html

Anumaan-standalone download:
http://www.cdacmumbai.in/projects/anumaan/downloads/Anumaan-standalone-alpha-0.1.tar.gz

Anumaan-standalone Documentation can be accessed at:
http://www.cdacmumbai.in/projects/anumaan/docs/AnumaanStandaloneUserManual/index.html

Anumaan Default Language Model download:
http://www.cdacmumbai.in/projects/anumaan/downloads/AnumaanDefaultLM.tar.gz

Anumaan demo Videos:

A session of AnumaanLinux: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSzLt9ZVnOY

A session of Anumaan-standalone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah9w37JY7ec

NB: The Application is still evolving, hence please do give us your
feedbacks, bug reports or feature enhancement requests.

Please mail us at mailto:predictanumaan@...

Thanks & regards
Naveen Kumar
Assistant Software Engineer
Open Source Software Division( http://ossrc.org.in/ )
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Fwd: [dasher-text-entry] Digest Number 318

2009-11-01T07:59:43Z

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Topics in this digest:

1. New Gaze Tracker by ITU
From: drjuliusdeutsch

Message
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1. New Gaze Tracker by ITU
Posted by: "drjuliusdeutsch" j.deutsch@... drjuliusdeutsch
Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:57 pm ((PDT))

Hi, I just want to let you know that a new open source gaze tracker is
available. It can be downloaded at http://www.gazegroup.org/. As far
as I know is this the only eye-tracking system for Windows that is
currently available.
Julius

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Re: Fwd: [TOS] Help turn the open Web into a rich learning environment: the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge

2009-10-27T13:05:07Z

Interesting - might be good to post on SENIT Steve?

Cheers.

Simon

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Subject: [oats-sig] Fwd: [TOS] Help turn the open Web into a rich learning environment: the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge

Here's an interesting announcement from Mozilla. Jetpack provides a simpler way to create Firefox Add ons

Steve Lee

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Frank Hecker <hecker@...>
Date: 2009/10/26
Subject: [TOS] Help turn the open Web into a rich learning
environment: the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge
To: tos <tos@...>

I thought you all might be interested in the following announcement about a new Mozilla Education initiative we launched today, the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge. Please feel free to forward this to anyone you think might be interested, be they educators, students, or anyone else.

Frank

=============

We invite you to help turn the open Web into a rich learning environment and explore new possibilities for using Firefox add-ons to support learning online, by participating in the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge sponsored by the Mozilla Foundation with support from the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation as part of its digital media and learning initiative.

We are looking for designers, educators and software developers who want to turn their innovative ideas about learning online into working prototypes in the form of Firefox add-ons. We'll help you refine your designs and teach you how to create Firefox add-ons using Jetpack and other Mozilla technologies. Participants creating the best prototpes will be invited to the Jetpack for Learning Design Camp and the SXSW Interactive conference in March 2010.

How does it work?

Come up with an innovative idea for a Firefox add-on that brings personal learning features to the open Web. Create a mock-up and submit it on the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge web-site before midnight (US Pacific Time) on 27 November 2009. Based on the quality of submissions, up to 60 participants will be invited into a 6-week online course that covers design/UX and technical aspects of add-on development and will help you turn your mock-up into a working prototype. We'll select the most promising prototypes and invite up to ten of their creators to further refine their add-ons at a face-to-face Jetpack for Learning Design Camp in March 2010 and to attend SXSW Interactive immediately following the Design Camp.

What kind of ideas are we looking for?

We are looking for your ideas on how Firefox add-ons, preferably add-ons created with Mozilla's Jetpack technology, can turn the web browser into a platform for rich personal learning on the open web.
You are not restricted to work on any particular type of application.
Here are a few examples to get you started ...

* Turn social bookmarking and page annotation into effective learning tools (for example by including peer-assessment features)

* Allow users to easily compile personal e-portfolios (for example, by combining their own works - photos, comments, articles-with testimonials others have written about them)

* Let the browser suggest relevant materials for learning (for example, by automatically identifying additional articles based on what sites a person visits or which topics they search for)

* Support social learning communities (for example, by making it easy to find and connect with others who share similar learning interests)

Who should apply?

Participation is open to individuals and teams, but we especially encourage submissions from inter-disciplinary groups (designers, educators, and software developers). You don't need to be a computer geek, but participants are expected to implement their ideas as Firefox add-ons, which will require writing some software code.

You must be at least 18 years old in order to participate in the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge. You must also make your submission and your add-ons available for public use under open licenses. See the Jetpack for Learning web site for complete rules.

Contact

You can find more information about the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge, including how to apply, on our web site:

http://design-challenge.mozilla.org/jetpack-for-learning

Mozilla Foundation

The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit organization that sponsors the Mozilla project and devotes its resources to promoting openness, innovation and opportunity on the Internet. We do this by supporting the community of Mozilla contributors and by assisting others who are building technologies that benefit users around the world.

Through the Mozilla Education initiative we work with computer science, design and business schools around the world to create learning opportunities for a new generation of Mozilla community members and help to drive a new wave of participatory, student-led learning. By doing this we hope to move closer to Mozilla's broader goal of making openness, participation and distributed decision-making more common experiences in Internet life. More information is available at education.mozilla.org.

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The MacArthur Foundation supports creative people and effective institutions committed to building a more just, verdant, and peaceful world. In addition to selecting the MacArthur Fellows, the Foundation works to defend human rights, advance global conservation and security, make cities better places, and understand how technology is affecting children and society.

In 2006 MacArthur launched its digital media and learning initiative to explore how young people are changing as a result of digital media use and what the implications are for libraries, museums and schools.
More information is available at www.macfound.org/education.

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Fwd: [TOS] Help turn the open Web into a rich learning environment: the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge

2009-10-27T03:21:33Z

Here's an interesting announcement from Mozilla. Jetpack provides a
simpler way to create Firefox Add ons

Steve Lee

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Frank Hecker <hecker@...>
Date: 2009/10/26
Subject: [TOS] Help turn the open Web into a rich learning
environment: the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge
To: tos <tos@...>

I thought you all might be interested in the following announcement
about a new Mozilla Education initiative we launched today, the
Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge. Please feel free to forward
this to anyone you think might be interested, be they educators,
students, or anyone else.

Frank

=============

We invite you to help turn the open Web into a rich learning
environment and explore new possibilities for using Firefox add-ons to
support learning online, by participating in the Jetpack for Learning
Design Challenge sponsored by the Mozilla Foundation with support from
the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation as part of its
digital media and learning initiative.

We are looking for designers, educators and software developers who
want to turn their innovative ideas about learning online into working
prototypes in the form of Firefox add-ons. We'll help you refine your
designs and teach you how to create Firefox add-ons using Jetpack and
other Mozilla technologies. Participants creating the best prototpes
will be invited to the Jetpack for Learning Design Camp and the SXSW
Interactive conference in March 2010.

How does it work?

Come up with an innovative idea for a Firefox add-on that brings
personal learning features to the open Web. Create a mock-up and
submit it on the Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge web-site before
midnight (US Pacific Time) on 27 November 2009. Based on the quality
of submissions, up to 60 participants will be invited into a 6-week
online course that covers design/UX and technical aspects of add-on
development and will help you turn your mock-up into a working
prototype. We'll select the most promising prototypes and invite up to
ten of their creators to further refine their add-ons at a
face-to-face Jetpack for Learning Design Camp in March 2010 and to
attend SXSW Interactive immediately following the Design Camp.

What kind of ideas are we looking for?

We are looking for your ideas on how Firefox add-ons, preferably
add-ons created with Mozilla's Jetpack technology, can turn the web
browser into a platform for rich personal learning on the open web.
You are not restricted to work on any particular type of application.
Here are a few examples to get you started ...

* Turn social bookmarking and page annotation into effective learning
tools (for example by including peer-assessment features)

* Allow users to easily compile personal e-portfolios (for example, by
combining their own works — photos, comments, articles—with
testimonials others have written about them)

* Let the browser suggest relevant materials for learning (for
example, by automatically identifying additional articles based on
what sites a person visits or which topics they search for)

* Support social learning communities (for example, by making it easy
to find and connect with others who share similar learning interests)

Who should apply?

Participation is open to individuals and teams, but we especially
encourage submissions from inter-disciplinary groups (designers,
educators, and software developers). You don't need to be a computer
geek, but participants are expected to implement their ideas as
Firefox add-ons, which will require writing some software code.

You must be at least 18 years old in order to participate in the
Jetpack for Learning Design Challenge. You must also make your
submission and your add-ons available for public use under open
licenses. See the Jetpack for Learning web site for complete rules.

Contact

You can find more information about the Jetpack for Learning Design
Challenge, including how to apply, on our web site:

http://design-challenge.mozilla.org/jetpack-for-learning

Mozilla Foundation

The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit organization that sponsors the
Mozilla project and devotes its resources to promoting openness,
innovation and opportunity on the Internet. We do this by supporting
the community of Mozilla contributors and by assisting others who are
building technologies that benefit users around the world.

Through the Mozilla Education initiative we work with computer
science, design and business schools around the world to create
learning opportunities for a new generation of Mozilla community
members and help to drive a new wave of participatory, student-led
learning. By doing this we hope to move closer to Mozilla's broader
goal of making openness, participation and distributed decision-making
more common experiences in Internet life. More information is
available at education.mozilla.org.

John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation

The MacArthur Foundation supports creative people and effective
institutions committed to building a more just, verdant, and peaceful
world. In addition to selecting the MacArthur Fellows, the Foundation
works to defend human rights, advance global conservation and
security, make cities better places, and understand how technology is
affecting children and society.

In 2006 MacArthur launched its digital media and learning initiative
to explore how young people are changing as a result of digital media
use and what the implications are for libraries, museums and schools.
More information is available at www.macfound.org/education.

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Fwd: CSUN Hackfest and Exhibition: Call for Participation

2009-10-15T01:47:35Z

Great News

---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Date: 2009/10/14
Subject: CSUN Hackfest and Exhibition: Call for Participation
To: GNOME A11y <gnome-accessibility-list@...>
Cc: Stormy Peters <stormy@...>

Hello fellow GNOME a11y folks.

On March 22-27 2010, GNOME will have a booth presence at the CSUN
conference in San Diego. CSUN is one of the largest and most important
gatherings on the topic of technology and persons with disabilities.
This is going to be a great opportunity to bring the gospel of Free
Software to a space and industry that is largely proprietary, and to a
user base with special needs that sometimes could only be addressed
with Open Source software. This is going to be über exciting!

Along with the booth and a presentation or two, we will also be
hosting a GNOME assistive technology hackfest. The reasoning for this
being the fact that this is an assistive technologies conference, so
there really isn't a better place to draw inspiration, both by seeing
the "state of the art" proprietary products first hand, and by talking
with users who have needs that we could answer.

Are you a maintainer of one of GNOME's assistive technology modules?
Are you developing an on screen keyboard? An alternative means for
text input? A magnifier? Some trippy head-tracking app? Voice control?
Switch access? Something new and exciting for cognitive disabilities?
Are you hacking on new features for Orca? Are you working to provide
users with disabilities unfettered access to GNOME?

If the answer to any of the above is 'yes', we hope you will consider
joining fellow GNOME a11y folks at CSUN this year to help promote
GNOME and to hack with fellow AT developers.

We hope to have funding for this hackfest, but we don't yet really
know what that means. We know that we will have to be creative about
it to pull it off, so hopefully once you made up your mind to attend,
you could help figure out how to afford it, if your employer could
pay, if you have student discounts, etc. We will do our best to make
it affordable to people who should be there, but no promises. Hope to
have specifics about that in the future.

Please reply to this mail, or contact me if you have interest in
attending, or any other questions, suggestions or concerns.

Cheers,
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Re: Ang: Re: Using SVG images

2009-10-12T23:24:26Z

Steve,

many thanks for that...

numerous assertions regarding the lacunae.

~:"

On 12 Oct 2009, at 20:55, Steve Lee wrote:

> This interesting paper compares SVG and canvas support in web
> browsers, and one of the conclusion is SVG support is somewhat
> 'stalled' and though there are puglins available native IE support
> seems very unlikely.
>
> http://is.gd/4fPwE
>
> Steve Lee
>
> 2009/10/12 Steve Lee <steve@...>:
>> 2009/10/12 Mats Lundälv <mats.lundalv@...>:
>>> I will propel back up your challenge as best I can within the
>>> AEGIS, RtF and
>>> elsewhere.
>
>
>

Re: Ang: Re: Using SVG images

2009-10-12T12:55:14Z

This interesting paper compares SVG and canvas support in web
browsers, and one of the conclusion is SVG support is somewhat
'stalled' and though there are puglins available native IE support
seems very unlikely.

http://is.gd/4fPwE

Steve Lee

2009/10/12 Steve Lee <steve@...>:
> 2009/10/12 Mats Lundälv <mats.lundalv@...>:
>> I will propel back up your challenge as best I can within the AEGIS, RtF and
>> elsewhere.

Re: Last response: oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 4

2009-10-12T00:56:50Z

I am not saying that the Mac is better than OpenSource I was saying (if
you had read into my cryptic clue in the posting) that of the two closed
sources (Windows and Mac) Mac was better as it has been looking at it
seriously since 2005 - Windows 7 (4 years on) is playing catch up! Orca
is THE best!

Best regards,
John.

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Hi Peeps,
Would just like to say that of the two platforms (and I don't personally
own one) the Mac has to be better because it has been doing AT for
longer but I speak only in a 'closed-source' framework; somewhat ironic
that VoiceOver on the Mac works with OpenOffice.org 3.0 flawlessly - you
(the department) spent a large wad on Office for Mac and it is not
compatible with voice over! 'Buyer beware'... Of course Open Source is
best when one considers Orca and the best distribution that it works on
for my money is the specially crafted version of Ubuntu called 'Ultimate
Edition' now at 2.3. (No prizes for why the title is called 'Ultimate
Edition'!) It is crafted by one man (whose NIC is "Thee Mahn" - it is
the first Open Source distro that I have come across that worked well in
terms of the live F5 key (or is it F6) for Accessibility. In terms of
the best voice in Open Source that has to go to Fedora 11.0 but to my
cost when I was trying to install DVD video codecs it broke (repository
was trying to install bits from Fedora 12.0! Oh to be a hacker!) We have
to remember that Orca is written by people with disabilities who rely on
the technology day in, day out - now that's outstanding!

Best regards,
John Blake.
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:15:05 +0100
From: Will Wade <Wade@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
OSK
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Bit slow on reading my newslists..
That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't already
aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long time
(well since 2005 as far as my memory can remember)..

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 21 September 2009 15:23
> To: OATs Project Special Interest Group
> Subject: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK
>
> This video shows how much the mag and OSK solutions bundled with the
> OS have improved (who at the back there said said "about time too"?).
>
> http://is.gd/3wIiE
>
> (via AbilityNet newsletter)
>
> Steve Lee
>
>

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:51:58 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
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Can we please develop better support for SVG please?

http://eduspaces.net/stevelee/weblog/756782.html

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:38:48 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
OSK
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So you were trying to make us think you are not a 'Mac fanataic'? :-0

Though Apple are closed and the engineers won't with people like Mozilla
for Firefox accessibility they are doing good things. And it seems to be
getting better looking at the iphone/ipod voice over work.

Steve

2009/10/8 Will Wade <Wade@...>:
> Bit slow on reading my newslists..
> That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
> fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't
already
> aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long
time

> (well since 2005 ?as far as my memory can remember)..
>
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>> Subject: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK
>>
>> This video shows how much the mag and OSK solutions bundled with the
>> OS have improved (who at the back there said said "about time too"?).
>>
>> http://is.gd/3wIiE
>>
>> (via AbilityNet newsletter)
>>
>> Steve Lee
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:20:03 +0100
From: "~:'' ???????????" <j.chetwynd@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
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Steve,

I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.

best

~:"

Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a
soon to be published book, on a very closely related topic.
Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,

its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
rather that the specification was created by browser developers not by
and for
naive end-users,
authors including non-technically literate teachers,
authoring tool developers.
any of the above who may require alternative affordances.

testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....

in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
requirement for a W3C games working group also WHATWG etc...

Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the browser.
How did this get missed in the rush?

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:43:17 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
<b30ac56c0910081143i4953219em956915905bb86596@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP"

Thanks, I guessed you would have been active on this issue :-) We can
hope.....

Steve

2009/10/8 "~:'' ???????????" <j.chetwynd@...>:

soon to
> be published book, on a very closely related topic.
> Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,
>
> its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
> rather that the specification was created by browser developers not by

> and for
> naive end-users,
> authors including non-technically literate teachers,
> authoring tool developers.
> any of the above who may require alternative affordances.
>
> testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
> so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....
>
> in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
> requirement for a W3C games working group also WHATWG etc...
>
> Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the

browser.
> How did this get missed in the rush?
>
>

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:01:20 +0100
From: John Blake <jblake@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Contents Item 4, oats-sig Digest, Vol 57,
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Hi Peeps,

Has anyone looked at work undertaken by Zaineb Ben Fredj? I attended a
seminar at Tactile Graphics 2008 and it was very interesting - her work
is being undertaken at Oxford Brookes University and sponsored by i-log
a multinational graphics company who are keen to see a solution to
'meaningful' graphics to people with a visual/other disability (for a
copy of the notes I took plus bits copied from website links to the
above lady as the slides weren't up long enough to take a picture of
with my mobile are there - might be useful might be not - I am not
technical but it is a very interesting project. The notes can be found
here (in *.pdf format created via OpenOffice.org 2.4 on Sabayon 3.5.1!):

http://collaboration.becta.org.uk/docs/DOC-1520

Best regards,
John Blake.

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OSK
To: "OATs Project Special Interest Group"
<oats-sig@...>
Message-ID: <EBAB1F9BAA611B4C93524E76F7BA28CB34FC8F@aceserver2>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Bit slow on reading my newslists..
That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't already
aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long time
(well since 2005 as far as my memory can remember)..

browser.
> How did this get missed in the rush?
>
>

End of oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 3
***************************************

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:36:34 +0100
From: "~:'' ???????????" <j.chetwynd@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Items 1 and 3 of oats-sig Digest, Vol 57,
Issue 3
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID: <5F2A2BBF-44CE-4E86-8D8B-1B2020AD3A8E@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes

John,

on what basis do you make the assertion 'the Mac has to be better
because it has been doing AT for longer' ?

regards

~:"

End of oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 4
***************************************

Re: Ang: Re: Using SVG images

2009-10-12T00:25:10Z

2009/10/12 Mats Lundälv <mats.lundalv@...>:
> I will propel back up your challenge as best I can within the AEGIS, RtF and
> elsewhere.

Excellent.

Steve

Ang: Re: Items 1 and 3 of oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 3

2009-10-11T17:29:17Z

VoiceOver on the Mac, fine!
But the OSK, has it ever been anything to be too excited about?
I don't think so.

Mats

-----<oats-sig-bounces@...> skrev: -----

Hi Peeps,
Would just like to say that of the two platforms (and I don't personally
own one) the Mac has to be better because it has been doing AT for
longer but I speak only in a 'closed-source' framework; somewhat ironic
that VoiceOver on the Mac works with OpenOffice.org 3.0 flawlessly - you
(the department) spent a large wad on Office for Mac and it is not
compatible with voice over! 'Buyer beware'... Of course Open Source is
best when one considers Orca and the best distribution that it works on
for my money is the specially crafted version of Ubuntu called 'Ultimate
Edition' now at 2.3. (No prizes for why the title is called 'Ultimate
Edition'!) It is crafted by one man (whose NIC is "Thee Mahn" - it is
the first Open Source distro that I have come across that worked well in
terms of the live F5 key (or is it F6) for Accessibility. In terms of
the best voice in Open Source that has to go to Fedora 11.0 but to my
cost when I was trying to install DVD video codecs it broke (repository
was trying to install bits from Fedora 12.0! Oh to be a hacker!) We have
to remember that Orca is written by people with disabilities who rely on
the technology day in, day out - now that's outstanding!

Best regards,
John Blake.
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   2. Using SVG images (Steve Lee)
   3. Re: Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK (Steve Lee)
   4. Re: Using SVG images (~:'' ???????????)
   5. Re: Using SVG images (Steve Lee)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:15:05 +0100
From: Will Wade <Wade@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
     OSK
To: "OATs Project Special Interest Group"
     <oats-sig@...>
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Bit slow on reading my newslists..
That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't already
aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long time
(well since 2005 as far as my memory can remember)..

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oats-sig-bounces@... [...
> bounces@...] On Behalf Of Steve Lee
> Sent: 21 September 2009 15:23
> To: OATs Project Special Interest Group
> Subject: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK
>
> This video shows how much the mag and OSK solutions bundled with the
> OS have improved (who at the back there said said "about time too"?).
>
> http://is.gd/3wIiE
>
> (via AbilityNet newsletter)
>
> Steve Lee
>
>

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:51:58 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
     <b30ac56c0910080751s4a46eb8eq83e8ec2041d1b0e0@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Can we please develop better support for SVG please?

http://eduspaces.net/stevelee/weblog/756782.html

--
Steve Lee

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:38:48 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
     OSK
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
     <b30ac56c0910080838s4dde15b6g82036c112e812d17@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

So you were trying to make us think you are not a 'Mac fanataic'? :-0

Though Apple are closed and the engineers won't with people like
Mozilla for Firefox accessibility they are doing good things. And it
seems to be getting better looking at the iphone/ipod voice over work.

Steve

2009/10/8 Will Wade <Wade@...>:
> Bit slow on reading my newslists..
> That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
> fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't
already
> aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long
time

> (well since 2005 ?as far as my memory can remember)..
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oats-sig-bounces@... [...
>> bounces@...] On Behalf Of Steve Lee
>> Sent: 21 September 2009 15:23
>> To: OATs Project Special Interest Group
>> Subject: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK
>>
>> This video shows how much the mag and OSK solutions bundled with the
>> OS have improved (who at the back there said said "about time too"?).
>>
>> http://is.gd/3wIiE
>>
>> (via AbilityNet newsletter)
>>
>> Steve Lee
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:20:03 +0100
From: "~:'' ???????????" <j.chetwynd@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID: <B02136DC-101F-4024-A3E2-52710FA37685@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Steve,

I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.

best

~:"

Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a
soon to be published book, on a very closely related topic.
Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,

its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
rather that the specification was created by browser developers
not by and for
     naive end-users,
     authors including non-technically literate teachers,
     authoring tool developers.
     any of the above who may require alternative affordances.

testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....

in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
requirement for a W3C games working group
also WHATWG etc...

Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the browser.
How did this get missed in the rush?

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:43:17 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
     <b30ac56c0910081143i4953219em956915905bb86596@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP"

Thanks, I guessed you would have been active on this issue :-)
We can hope.....

Steve

2009/10/8 "~:'' ???????????" <j.chetwynd@...>:

> Steve,
>
> I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
> The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.
>
> best
>
> ~:"
>
>
> Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a
soon to

> be published book, on a very closely related topic.
> Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,
>
> its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
> rather that the specification was created by browser developers
> not by and for
> naive end-users,
> authors including non-technically literate teachers,
> authoring tool developers.
> any of the above who may require alternative affordances.
>
> testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
> so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....
>
> in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
> requirement for a W3C games working group
> also WHATWG etc...
>
> Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the
browser.
> How did this get missed in the rush?
>
>

End of oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 3
***************************************

Ang: Re: Using SVG images

2009-10-11T17:18:39Z

Regardless of any complications, you make a very good point Steeve, and I couldn't agree more!

I will propel back up your challenge as best I can within the AEGIS, RtF and elsewhere.

Cheers,

Mats

-----<oats-sig-bounces@...> skrev: -----

Till: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Från: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Sänt av: <oats-sig-bounces@...>
Datum: 2009-10-08 20:43
Ärende: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images

Thanks, I guessed you would have been active on this issue :-)
We can hope.....

Steve

2009/10/8 "~:'' ありがとうございました" <j.chetwynd@...>:

> Steve,
>
> I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
> The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.
>
> best
>
> ~:"
>
>
> Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a soon to
> be published book, on a very closely related topic.
> Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,
>
> its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
> rather that the specification was created by browser developers
> not by and for
> naive end-users,
> authors including non-technically literate teachers,
> authoring tool developers.
> any of the above who may require alternative affordances.
>
> testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
> so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....
>
> in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
> requirement for a W3C games working group
> also WHATWG etc...
>
> Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the browser.
> How did this get missed in the rush?
>
>

Re: Items 1 and 3 of oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 3

2009-10-09T08:36:34Z

John,

on what basis do you make the assertion 'the Mac has to be better
because it has been doing AT for
longer' ?

regards

~:"

Re: Contents Item 4, oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 3

2009-10-09T05:01:20Z

Hi Peeps,

Has anyone looked at work undertaken by Zaineb Ben Fredj? I attended a
seminar at Tactile Graphics 2008 and it was very interesting - her work
is being undertaken at Oxford Brookes University and sponsored by i-log
a multinational graphics company who are keen to see a solution to
'meaningful' graphics to people with a visual/other disability (for a
copy of the notes I took plus bits copied from website links to the
above lady as the slides weren't up long enough to take a picture of
with my mobile are there - might be useful might be not - I am not
technical but it is a very interesting project. The notes can be found
here (in *.pdf format created via OpenOffice.org 2.4 on Sabayon 3.5.1!):

http://collaboration.becta.org.uk/docs/DOC-1520

Best regards,
John Blake.

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3. Re: Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK (Steve Lee)
4. Re: Using SVG images (~:'' ???????????)
5. Re: Using SVG images (Steve Lee)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:15:05 +0100
From: Will Wade <Wade@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
OSK
To: "OATs Project Special Interest Group"
<oats-sig@...>
Message-ID: <EBAB1F9BAA611B4C93524E76F7BA28CB34FC8F@aceserver2>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Bit slow on reading my newslists..
That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't already
aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long time
(well since 2005 as far as my memory can remember)..

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:51:58 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
<b30ac56c0910080751s4a46eb8eq83e8ec2041d1b0e0@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Can we please develop better support for SVG please?

http://eduspaces.net/stevelee/weblog/756782.html

--
Steve Lee

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:38:48 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
OSK
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
<b30ac56c0910080838s4dde15b6g82036c112e812d17@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

So you were trying to make us think you are not a 'Mac fanataic'? :-0

Though Apple are closed and the engineers won't with people like
Mozilla for Firefox accessibility they are doing good things. And it
seems to be getting better looking at the iphone/ipod voice over work.

Steve

2009/10/8 Will Wade <Wade@...>:
> Bit slow on reading my newslists..
> That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
> fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't
already
> aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long
time

------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:20:03 +0100
From: "~:'' ???????????" <j.chetwynd@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID: <B02136DC-101F-4024-A3E2-52710FA37685@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Steve,

I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.

best

~:"

Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a
soon to be published book, on a very closely related topic.
Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,

its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
rather that the specification was created by browser developers
not by and for
naive end-users,
authors including non-technically literate teachers,
authoring tool developers.
any of the above who may require alternative affordances.

testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....

in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
requirement for a W3C games working group
also WHATWG etc...

Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the browser.
How did this get missed in the rush?

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:43:17 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
<b30ac56c0910081143i4953219em956915905bb86596@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP"

Thanks, I guessed you would have been active on this issue :-)
We can hope.....

Steve

2009/10/8 "~:'' ???????????" <j.chetwynd@...>:

soon to

> be published book, on a very closely related topic.
> Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,
>
> its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
> rather that the specification was created by browser developers
> not by and for
> naive end-users,
> authors including non-technically literate teachers,
> authoring tool developers.
> any of the above who may require alternative affordances.
>
> testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
> so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....
>
> in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
> requirement for a W3C games working group
> also WHATWG etc...
>
> Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the

browser.
> How did this get missed in the rush?
>
>

End of oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 3
***************************************

Re: Items 1 and 3 of oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 3

2009-10-09T04:37:17Z

Hi Peeps,
Would just like to say that of the two platforms (and I don't personally
own one) the Mac has to be better because it has been doing AT for
longer but I speak only in a 'closed-source' framework; somewhat ironic
that VoiceOver on the Mac works with OpenOffice.org 3.0 flawlessly - you
(the department) spent a large wad on Office for Mac and it is not
compatible with voice over! 'Buyer beware'... Of course Open Source is
best when one considers Orca and the best distribution that it works on
for my money is the specially crafted version of Ubuntu called 'Ultimate
Edition' now at 2.3. (No prizes for why the title is called 'Ultimate
Edition'!) It is crafted by one man (whose NIC is "Thee Mahn" - it is
the first Open Source distro that I have come across that worked well in
terms of the live F5 key (or is it F6) for Accessibility. In terms of
the best voice in Open Source that has to go to Fedora 11.0 but to my
cost when I was trying to install DVD video codecs it broke (repository
was trying to install bits from Fedora 12.0! Oh to be a hacker!) We have
to remember that Orca is written by people with disabilities who rely on
the technology day in, day out - now that's outstanding!

Best regards,
John Blake.
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3. Re: Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK (Steve Lee)
4. Re: Using SVG images (~:'' ???????????)
5. Re: Using SVG images (Steve Lee)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:15:05 +0100
From: Will Wade <Wade@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
OSK
To: "OATs Project Special Interest Group"
<oats-sig@...>
Message-ID: <EBAB1F9BAA611B4C93524E76F7BA28CB34FC8F@aceserver2>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Bit slow on reading my newslists..
That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't already
aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long time
(well since 2005 as far as my memory can remember)..

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:51:58 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
<b30ac56c0910080751s4a46eb8eq83e8ec2041d1b0e0@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Can we please develop better support for SVG please?

http://eduspaces.net/stevelee/weblog/756782.html

--
Steve Lee

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:38:48 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
OSK
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
<b30ac56c0910080838s4dde15b6g82036c112e812d17@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

So you were trying to make us think you are not a 'Mac fanataic'? :-0

Though Apple are closed and the engineers won't with people like
Mozilla for Firefox accessibility they are doing good things. And it
seems to be getting better looking at the iphone/ipod voice over work.

Steve

2009/10/8 Will Wade <Wade@...>:
> Bit slow on reading my newslists..
> That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
> fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't
already
> aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long
time

------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:20:03 +0100
From: "~:'' ???????????" <j.chetwynd@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID: <B02136DC-101F-4024-A3E2-52710FA37685@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Steve,

I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.

best

~:"

Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a
soon to be published book, on a very closely related topic.
Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,

its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
rather that the specification was created by browser developers
not by and for
naive end-users,
authors including non-technically literate teachers,
authoring tool developers.
any of the above who may require alternative affordances.

testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....

in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
requirement for a W3C games working group
also WHATWG etc...

Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the browser.
How did this get missed in the rush?

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:43:17 +0100
From: Steve Lee <steve@...>
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <oats-sig@...>
Message-ID:
<b30ac56c0910081143i4953219em956915905bb86596@...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP"

Thanks, I guessed you would have been active on this issue :-)
We can hope.....

Steve

2009/10/8 "~:'' ???????????" <j.chetwynd@...>:

soon to

browser.
> How did this get missed in the rush?
>
>

End of oats-sig Digest, Vol 57, Issue 3
***************************************

Re: Using SVG images

2009-10-08T11:43:17Z

Thanks, I guessed you would have been active on this issue :-)
We can hope.....

Steve

2009/10/8 "~:'' ありがとうございました" <j.chetwynd@...>:

> Steve,
>
> I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
> The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.
>
> best
>
> ~:"
>
>
> Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a soon to
> be published book, on a very closely related topic.
> Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,
>
> its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
> rather that the specification was created by browser developers
> not by and for
> naive end-users,
> authors including non-technically literate teachers,
> authoring tool developers.
> any of the above who may require alternative affordances.
>
> testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
> so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....
>
> in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
> requirement for a W3C games working group
> also WHATWG etc...
>
> Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the browser.
> How did this get missed in the rush?
>
>

Re: Using SVG images

2009-10-08T11:20:03Z

Steve,

I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.

best

~:"

Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a
soon to be published book, on a very closely related topic.
Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,

its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
rather that the specification was created by browser developers
not by and for
naive end-users,
authors including non-technically literate teachers,
authoring tool developers.
any of the above who may require alternative affordances.

testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....

in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
requirement for a W3C games working group
also WHATWG etc...

Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the browser.
How did this get missed in the rush?

Re: Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK

2009-10-08T08:38:48Z

So you were trying to make us think you are not a 'Mac fanataic'? :-0

Though Apple are closed and the engineers won't with people like
Mozilla for Firefox accessibility they are doing good things. And it
seems to be getting better looking at the iphone/ipod voice over work.

Steve

2009/10/8 Will Wade <Wade@...>:

> Bit slow on reading my newslists..
> That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
> fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't already
> aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long time
> (well since 2005 as far as my memory can remember)..
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oats-sig-bounces@... [mailto:oats-sig-
>> bounces@...] On Behalf Of Steve Lee
>> Sent: 21 September 2009 15:23
>> To: OATs Project Special Interest Group
>> Subject: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK
>>
>> This video shows how much the mag and OSK solutions bundled with the
>> OS have improved (who at the back there said said "about time too"?).
>>
>> http://is.gd/3wIiE
>>
>> (via AbilityNet newsletter)
>>
>> Steve Lee
>>
>>
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Using SVG images

2009-10-08T07:51:58Z

Can we please develop better support for SVG please?

http://eduspaces.net/stevelee/weblog/756782.html

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Steve Lee