OT: FCKeditor

[rpdwyer]

Thought I would check it out as many lassoers seem to be using it.

I paste in a lasso/html page from TextWrangler and I see my page, can  
edit it, etc.

However, when I look at my source file, I lose all the opening HTML  
stuff (head, title, style tags, etc).  Is this supposed to do this?  
Is FCKeditor strictly for forms or can you do whole html page layouts  
in it?

What is the benefit for someone writing lasso code to use FCKEditor?

Finally, what is the difference between FCK & CK Editor?

Thanks.

  --Rick



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[Kevin Black-2]

I'm using it for a form and it sends full HTML in the field. I had to  
deal with certain issues though, like tick marks and carriage returns,  
so I used FM Pro to strip them out. It's only an issue when I'm  
pulling information from the database into FCKeditor's field for the  
record information, not on the add form.

On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Rick Dwyer wrote:

> Thought I would check it out as many lassoers seem to be using it.
>
> I paste in a lasso/html page from TextWrangler and I see my page,  
> can edit it, etc.
>
> However, when I look at my source file, I lose all the opening HTML  
> stuff (head, title, style tags, etc).  Is this supposed to do this?  
> Is FCKeditor strictly for forms or can you do whole html page  
> layouts in it?
>
> What is the benefit for someone writing lasso code to use FCKEditor?
>
> Finally, what is the difference between FCK & CK Editor?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --Rick
>
>
>
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[Steve Piercy]

It is not a web page editor, but rather it is a text editor to
be used inside web pages.  FCKEditor is basically a GUI tool
with a MS Word-ish interface that allows users to format and
enter content into a content management system.
http://ckeditor.com/what-is-ckeditor

FCK is version ≤2.x.  CK is version ≥3.x.  It is the same
product renamed, for... uh... fcking obvious reasons.  However 3
is a fairly comprehensive rewrite of 2, and there are some
differences between the two, and some functionality is no longer
free.  Details:
http://www.nabble.com/FCK-updated-td25299517.html#a25299620

Setup Instructions for 2.x:
http://www.nabble.com/-FCKeditor--Setup-Instructions-td8874795.html#a8874795

--steve


On 10/19/09 at 8:42 PM, rpdwyer@... (Rick Dwyer) pronounced:

>Thought I would check it out as many lassoers seem to be using it.
>
>I paste in a lasso/html page from TextWrangler and I see my page, can edit it, etc.
>
>However, when I look at my source file, I lose all the opening
>HTML stuff (head, title, style tags, etc).  Is this supposed to
>do this?  Is FCKeditor strictly for forms or can you do whole
>html page layouts in it?
>
>What is the benefit for someone writing lasso code to use FCKEditor?
>
>Finally, what is the difference between FCK & CK Editor?
>
>Thanks.
>
>--Rick
>
>
>
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[rpdwyer]

On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder wrote:

> It is not a web page editor, but rather it is a text editor to be  
> used inside web pages.

But it does allow you to build the HTML components of a web page...  
text boxes, radio buttons, etc., so what is the benefit to the  
developer of using it over something like Dreamweaver or GoLive (which  
I still use) or is it the obvious, that it is free?

I might also be misunderstanding the description, but do developers  
create solutions for end users with the FCKEditor functionality built  
into the solution so the end user has access to the features and  
toolbar?  If so, can someone provide an example of a site that uses it  
in this capacity?

Thank you.

  --Rick



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[Jolle Carlestam-3]

20 okt 2009 kl. 02.42 skrev Rick Dwyer:

> Thought I would check it out as many lassoers seem to be using it.
>
> I paste in a lasso/html page from TextWrangler and I see my page, can
> edit it, etc.
>
> However, when I look at my source file, I lose all the opening HTML
> stuff (head, title, style tags, etc).  Is this supposed to do this?
> Is FCKeditor strictly for forms or can you do whole html page layouts
> in it?
>
> What is the benefit for someone writing lasso code to use FCKEditor?
>
> Finally, what is the difference between FCK & CK Editor?

I use it in my CMS. Fits in very well and since I wouldn't allow users  
to manipulate head data directly I haven't had issues with loosing it.
I've looked at CKEditor but my setup uses a shared toolbar for  
multiple instances of FCKEditor on the same age and that function is  
not yet implemented in CKEditor 3 so I'm waiting for it before I  
contemplate an upgrade.
Jason wrote some very nice code to integrate Lasso with FCKEditor and  
I've written a tag that allows you to use FCKEditor together with  
Lassowiki. Find it on tagswap.net.

HDB
Jolle

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[Steve Piercy]

On 10/19/09 at 10:45 PM, rpdwyer@... (Rick Dwyer) pronounced:

>On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder wrote:
>
>>It is not a web page editor, but rather it is a text editor to
>>be used inside web pages.
>
>But it does allow you to build the HTML components of a web
>page... text boxes, radio buttons, etc., so what is the benefit
>to the developer of using it over something like Dreamweaver or
>GoLive (which I still use) or is it the obvious, that it is free?

FCKEditor by itself does nothing more than provide a front end
for users to write HTML without knowing how to do so.

The area where editing is performed is actually just a textarea
in a form with a lot of javascript providing the UI.  As users
work within the UI, the editor writes the HTML into the textarea.

When the user submits the textarea value, it's just like any
other textarea input.

>I might also be misunderstanding the description, but do
>developers create solutions for end users with the FCKEditor
>functionality built into the solution so the end user has
>access to the features and toolbar?  If so, can someone provide
>an example of a site that uses it in this capacity?

Download and install the demo, per my previous instructions for
version 2.6.x.  You can skip over file upload and management
stuff to get the editor up and running.

http://ckeditor.com/download

The demo on their site does not allow you to submit the data,
which is kinda lame, but I see why they don't do that anymore.

--steve

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[Jolle Carlestam-3]

20 okt 2009 kl. 12.45 skrev Rick Dwyer:

>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder wrote:
>
>> It is not a web page editor, but rather it is a text editor to be
>> used inside web pages.
>
> But it does allow you to build the HTML components of a web page...
> text boxes, radio buttons, etc., so what is the benefit to the
> developer of using it over something like Dreamweaver or GoLive (which
> I still use) or is it the obvious, that it is free?
>
> I might also be misunderstanding the description, but do developers
> create solutions for end users with the FCKEditor functionality built
> into the solution so the end user has access to the features and
> toolbar?  If so, can someone provide an example of a site that uses it
> in this capacity?

The typical use is not as a developer toll. Rather something that's  
part of a CMS. It's users using it not developers.
My CMS uses it and I know that Treefrogs new CMS will use CKEditor.  
I'm sure other CMS providers can tell you the same.

HDb
jolle

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[Eric Landmann]

On 10/21/09 at 12:47 AM, list@... (Jolle Carlestam) wrote:

>20 okt 2009 kl. 12.45 skrev Rick Dwyer:
>
>>
>>On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder wrote:
>>
>>>It is not a web page editor, but rather it is a text editor to be
>>>used inside web pages.
>>
>>But it does allow you to build the HTML components of a web page...
>>text boxes, radio buttons, etc., so what is the benefit to the
>>developer of using it over something like Dreamweaver or GoLive (which
>>I still use) or is it the obvious, that it is free?
>>
>>I might also be misunderstanding the description, but do developers
>>create solutions for end users with the FCKEditor functionality built
>>into the solution so the end user has access to the features and
>>toolbar?  If so, can someone provide an example of a site that uses it
>>in this capacity?
>
>The typical use is not as a developer toll. Rather something
>that's part of a CMS. It's users using it not developers.
>My CMS uses it and I know that Treefrogs new CMS will use
>CKEditor. I'm sure other CMS providers can tell you the same.

itPage also uses FCKEditor.

--Eric


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[Eric Landmann]

FYI, if you want to see how to use ckeditor with Lasso, there
was an update of the itPage codebase today that replaces
FCKEditor with ckeditor. You can access the codebase through
subversion at the itPage Google Code page:

     <http://code.google.com/p/itpage/source/browse/>

--Eric


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