OT - "Not enough storage space" for hdr

[John Fowler]

    I'm trying to learn HDR via bridge with CS4, raw images from a
Nikon D700..  Whatever I do I get the message:

"Not enough storage space is available to complete the operation"
whether I start the HDR merge from either hard disk.

    I'm using a PC - 1.8 GH with 3.25 G ram., an Intel 2 CPU with XP
Pro Vers 2002, Svc Pack 3.
    Two HD - one of 40gb that's empty and dedicated to Photoshop
scratch disk,  the other 250gb with about 100gb empty.

    Can anyone help me solve this problem?  Should I remove data from
the large drive?



John T. Fowler,
Photography For Education
http://www.johnfowler.ca
613-256-4056
2549 Old Perth Road
Almonte  ON  K0A 1A0   Canada
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[dawn-2]

How many images are you attempting to combine?  Generally, you don't see
much advantage to any more than 3.

First off, Photoshop is not the best way to do HDR--it just isn't as good a
tool as something like Photomatix. So you might want to download the 30 day
trial and work with that instead. This fellow has become quite well known in
the HDR field and there is a tute as well as a coupon for 15% (no, I have no
connection!)

http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-software/

Secondly, if you haven't already you should set the 3GB switch in Windows so
Photoshop has access to more memory

<http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx>

that may make the difference for you. It solved my issues when I first tried
HDR.

hth
dawn


2009/10/10 John Fowler <john@...>

>    I'm trying to learn HDR via bridge with CS4, raw images from a
> Nikon D700..  Whatever I do I get the message:
>
> "Not enough storage space is available to complete the operation"
> whether I start the HDR merge from either hard disk.
>
>    I'm using a PC - 1.8 GH with 3.25 G ram., an Intel 2 CPU with XP
> Pro Vers 2002, Svc Pack 3.
>    Two HD - one of 40gb that's empty and dedicated to Photoshop
> scratch disk,  the other 250gb with about 100gb empty.
>
>    Can anyone help me solve this problem?  Should I remove data from
> the large drive?
>

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[David Zanzinger]

Hi John,

I do a lot of HDR and remember that dialog...trying to think of what I did (it's the age thing) ...a photoshop problem.

Go with what Dawn mentioned..the free trial from Photomatix gives you more control...I have some samples here if you have time: http://d-zanzinger.blogspot.com/ (scroll down to HDR-High defination)

Best,

David






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From: John Fowler <john@...>
To: STOCKPHOTO@...
Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 12:10:56 PM
Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] OT - "Not enough storage space" for hdr

   
I'm trying to learn HDR via bridge with CS4, raw images from a
Nikon D700..  Whatever I do I get the message:

"Not enough storage space is available to complete the operation"
whether I start the HDR merge from either hard disk.

I'm using a PC - 1.8 GH with 3.25 G ram., an Intel 2 CPU with XP
Pro Vers 2002, Svc Pack 3.
Two HD - one of 40gb that's empty and dedicated to Photoshop
scratch disk,  the other 250gb with about 100gb empty.

Can anyone help me solve this problem?  Should I remove data from
the large drive?

John T. Fowler,
Photography For Education
http://www.johnfowler.ca
613-256-4056
2549 Old Perth Road
Almonte  ON  K0A 1A0   Canada
NOTE: You may need to add   john(at)johnfowler( dot)ca
to your address book to ensure that you receive emails in your inbox.


   


     

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[Ryan McGinnis-2]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:20 AM, dawn <dawn.campbell@...> wrote:
> How many images are you attempting to combine?  Generally, you don't see
> much advantage to any more than 3.

This is sometimes true, but depends a lot on the dynamic range of the
photo, doesn't it?  If a scene has greater than 9 stops of dynamic
range, then more than 3 images to create the HDR will probably be
ideal.  I know for a lot of the scenes that I shoot, more than 3 shots
is required.

> First off, Photoshop is not the best way to do HDR--it just isn't as good a
> tool as something like Photomatix. So you might want to download the 30 day
> trial and work with that instead. This fellow has become quite well known in
> the HDR field and there is a tute as well as a coupon for 15% (no, I have no
> connection!)

Depends on your application and what look you want to achieve.  For
some photos, I prefer Photomatix, for others, I prefer Photoshop.
They both have very different outputs.  The Photoshop algorithm could
definitely use updating, though.

> http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-software/

This, to me, is a great example of how NOT to do HDR, though we all
have our own taste.  :)  Unfortunately, it is thanks to Photomatix
that this style of photography is what most people associate HDR with
in their mind.

--
-Ryan McGinnis
The BIG Storm Picture -- http://bigstormpicture.com
Vortex-2 image licensing at http://vortex-2.com
Getty: http://www.gettyimages.com/search/search.aspx?artist=Ryan+McGinnis

[John Fowler]

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Ryan McGinnis <digicana@...> wrote:
> Depends on your application and what look you want to achieve.  For
> some photos, I prefer Photomatix, for others, I prefer Photoshop.
> They both have very different outputs.  The Photoshop algorithm could
> definitely use updating, though.
>
> > http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-software/

Thanks Ryan, Dawn et al:
   I much appreciate the help and agree that stuckincustoms should heve stayed there :-)
   I'm not looking to overdo things - just to make the  most appealing, while realistic, images I can.  I've been using the alternate Photoshop approach (the panorama thingy?) with some success - -  still haven't figured out the "not enough storage space" thing.
   I'm pretty certain I'm going with Photomatix.  Just don't want to do it yet, until I accumulate a library  of shoots to learn with on the 30-day thing.
   At this point I have two or three - got a bit of a break yesterday with some sun and got a couple of shoots.  Up early tommorow to visit the opthamologist and may be able to accumulate some more - weather forecast looks goods for a couple of days.  Spectacular clouds and fast moving squalls here now - may try again today.

[dawn-2]

I have to agree that I'm sick to death of that overdone HDR "look" that has
been so faddish this past year. Whilst I have seen a few images that really
rocked with that look, they are few and far between and the look has become
trite and overdone.  Nonetheless, HDR offers up alot of possibilities if
used for what it was originally intended.

Good luck John.  Maybe get yourself another GB of RAM and then create that
3GB switch in your boot.ini and then you'll be ready to roll. You may want
to play with some of the other software packages out there for HDR besides
Photomatix--could keep you going a few months with "free" trial software.

dawn

2009/10/13 jtf22001 <john@...>

>
>
> --- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Ryan McGinnis <digicana@...> wrote:
> > Depends on your application and what look you want to achieve.  For
> > some photos, I prefer Photomatix, for others, I prefer Photoshop.
> > They both have very different outputs.  The Photoshop algorithm could
> > definitely use updating, though.
> >
> > > http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-software/
>
> Thanks Ryan, Dawn et al:
>   I much appreciate the help and agree that stuckincustoms should heve
> stayed there :-)
>   I'm not looking to overdo things - just to make the  most appealing,
> while realistic, images I can.  I've been using the alternate Photoshop
> approach (the panorama thingy?) with some success - -  still haven't figured
> out the "not enough storage space" thing.
>   I'm pretty certain I'm going with Photomatix.  Just don't want to do it
> yet, until I accumulate a library  of shoots to learn with on the 30-day
> thing.
>   At this point I have two or three - got a bit of a break yesterday with
> some sun and got a couple of shoots.  Up early tommorow to visit the
> opthamologist and may be able to accumulate some more - weather forecast
> looks goods for a couple of days.  Spectacular clouds and fast moving
> squalls here now - may try again today.
>
>

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[David Zanzinger]

John...photomatix also has a less expensive $20.00 photoshop plug in. All you need is "one" 16-bit  image and it does almost the same thing as the pro version. If you want a realistic look try 50 strength 50 saturation and move your light smoothing all the way to the right or second to right button....try not to use the other corrections as photoshop will do better.

David





Thanks Ryan, Dawn et al:
I much appreciate the help and agree that stuckincustoms should heve stayed there :-)
I'm not looking to overdo things - just to make the  most appealing, while realistic, images I can.  I've been using the alternate Photoshop approach (the panorama thingy?) with some success - -  still haven't figured out the "not enough storage space" thing.
I'm pretty certain I'm going with Photomatix.  Just don't want to do it yet, until I accumulate a library  of shoots to learn with on the 30-day thing.
At this point I have two or three - got a bit of a break yesterday with some sun and got a couple of shoots.  Up early tommorow to visit the opthamologist and may be able to accumulate some more - weather forecast looks goods for a couple of days.  Spectacular clouds and fast moving squalls here now - may try again today.


   


     

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[Ryan McGinnis-2]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:13 PM, David Zanzinger <snazier2@...> wrote:
> John...photomatix also has a less expensive $20.00 photoshop plug in. All you need is "one" 16-bit  image and it does almost the same thing as the pro version.

FWIW, if you only use one 16 bit image, you actually aren't at any
point involving HDR.  You're just running a regular photo through a
tone mapper to give it that "Photomatix" look.

--
-Ryan McGinnis
The BIG Storm Picture -- http://bigstormpicture.com
Vortex-2 image licensing at http://vortex-2.com
Getty: http://www.gettyimages.com/search/search.aspx?artist=Ryan+McGinnis

[Barry Mason]

>    I'm pretty certain I'm going with Photomatix.  Just don't want to do it yet, until I accumulate a library  of shoots to learn with on the 30-day thing.

Be aware that you won't be able to use the pics - Photomatix logo is all over them in the trial scheme.

Barry Mason
>

[babel1855]

Interesting this discussion on what is good and not so good HDR images.

A lot of people seem to say that StuckinCustoms' HDR are not, well, very outstanding, except for their garish aspects.

I'd be interested to see some examples of what people think are GOOD HDR photography.

(NB: I'm not criticizing anyone at all. I do very little HDR and am just curious what can be done with it, so I honestly would like to see the examples.)

-Per Karlsson

[John Fowler]

>
> I'd be interested to see some examples of what people think are GOOD HDR photography.
>
> (NB: I'm not criticizing anyone at all. I do very little HDR and am just curious what can be done with it, so I honestly would like to see the examples.)
>
> -Per Karlsson
>
As would I.  I follow Moose Peterson's blog - he uses HDR extensively, and what seems to me effectively, even if the occasional image is somewhat overdone.

I subscribe to the "previsualization" concept - Ansel Adams' images were heavily manipulated with the objective of creating for the viewer the beauty, drama, impact of a scene as Adams experienced it.  This certainly was HDR photography.

While I started this thread as OT/technical, it would seem time to leave that (with thanks once again to all who offered advice) - but it may be that some continuing discussion and examples of how, how much and why is "good" use of the HDR technique may be of value to the group.

I think links are not permitted here?  But there is one example in the prints for sale part of Moose's site of a back-lighted forest landscape that I find exiting indeed.

[Oscar-48]

I like some of the HDR work at this site. The HDR is subtle enough that they look very realistic.

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/cambridge-gallery.htm

[Paul Aparycki]

Hi John;

 

I must concur with Dawn, . . . and with what I am sure will be many others. Get PhotoMatix. Don't bother with the trial version, just go out and buy it. It costs a pittance compared to the other tools you are using (however do a little searching and you will find a discount code for it). You will also have a powerful tone-mapping tool. Much as photoshop likes to think it might be the word of god in image processing, there are some apps that surpass it in certain areas. Photomatix Pro is one.

 

good luck

 

Paul Aparycki
 


To: STOCKPHOTO@...
From: john@...
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:10:56 -0400
Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] OT - "Not enough storage space" for hdr

 



I'm trying to learn HDR via bridge with CS4, raw images from a
Nikon D700.. Whatever I do I get the message:

"Not enough storage space is available to complete the operation"
whether I start the HDR merge from either hard disk.

I'm using a PC - 1.8 GH with 3.25 G ram., an Intel 2 CPU with XP
Pro Vers 2002, Svc Pack 3.
Two HD - one of 40gb that's empty and dedicated to Photoshop
scratch disk, the other 250gb with about 100gb empty.

Can anyone help me solve this problem? Should I remove data from
the large drive?

John T. Fowler,
Photography For Education
http://www.johnfowler.ca
613-256-4056
2549 Old Perth Road
Almonte ON K0A 1A0 Canada
NOTE: You may need to add john(at)johnfowler(dot)ca
to your address book to ensure that you receive emails in your inbox.








     

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