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On Visual Design Challenges, or Can you make it darker than that?Happy Friday everyone. Or Saturday for the folk in Asia.
I just found this, and had to pull out KColorPicker to verify. The experience reminded me of the frustration of dealing with clients who make vague requests for pointless or impossible visual design changes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grey_square_optical_illusion.PNG Square's A and B are the exact same color. Really. That's why I'll stick to writing code, thank you very much. :-) Enjoy! Matt _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: On Visual Design Challenges, or Can you make it darker than that?The squares are the
same color. Both squares are the same color of gray. Test them in a
drawing program. The eye adjusts to the surrounding colors...the
increased shadowing in the surrounding squares and the perceived
contrast cause the optical illusion.
pwriter@... wrote:
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Re: On Visual Design Challenges, or Can you make it darker than that?Some more information on the origins and methods of showing on the
screen they are the same... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same_color_illusion On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:20 AM, pwriter@... wrote: > Hi Matt, > I just could not believe that the squares are the same color. I > also used the eye dropper to compare -- same. Still did not believe > it. Printed out two copies of the pic and cut out the A to place it > over the B -- yep they are the same. Just goes to show you... you > can't trust your own eyes. > Thanks, > Patrick > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [consulting] On Visual Design Challenges, or Can you make it > darker than that? > From: Matt Chapman <Matt@...> > Date: Fri, October 23, 2009 6:28 pm > To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers > <consulting@...> > > Happy Friday everyone. Or Saturday for the folk in Asia. > > I just found this, and had to pull out KColorPicker to verify. The > experience reminded me of the frustration of dealing with clients who > make vague requests for pointless or impossible visual design changes. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grey_square_optical_illusion.PNG > > Square's A and B are the exact same color. Really. > > That's why I'll stick to writing code, thank you very much. :-) > > Enjoy! > > Matt > > > > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting Josh -- Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jbrauer _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: On Visual Design Challenges, or Can you make it darker than that?Our eyes fool us because our brain fills in context, and equates the
"white" squares as being the same, especially in contrast to the "black" squares. It's a great illustration of how we don't see what we see, we see what we interpret. (Art 101 exercise: draw a chair in your room, but draw only what you see, don't draw lines representing the edges -- the lines aren't there. It takes work to see the light instead of the form.) Which informs us on interaction design as well. Identical offerings may in fact be seen differently in different contexts because our brains interpret them differently. (I love this stuff!) Laura On Oct 24, 2009, at Sat 10/24/09 12:12pm, pwriter@... wrote: > NO-Way! Are you telling me the squares are the same color? Oh I > got to check this out. > Thanks, > Patrick > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [consulting] On Visual Design Challenges, or Can you make > it darker than that? > From: Jeff Greenberg <jeff@...> > Date: Sat, October 24, 2009 9:12 am > To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers > <consulting@...> > > The squares are the same color. Both squares are the same color of > gray. Test them in a drawing program. The eye adjusts to the > surrounding colors...the increased shadowing in the surrounding > squares and the perceived contrast cause the optical illusion. > > pwriter@... wrote: >> Thanks Matt. At first I thought they where saying 'squares' where >> the same color (wrong), but the A & B are the same color. There is >> no text explaining the 'thing'. >> Patrick > > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: On Visual Design Challenges, or Can you make it darker than that?On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Matt Chapman <Matt@...> wrote: -- Happy Friday everyone. Or Saturday for the folk in Asia. Oh yeah, but what can you do with code, use a mathematical formulae to choose colours or just type the hex code randomly? My point: doesn't matter what the colors are really (if equal or not). The user experience is far more important. Franz Glauber Vanderlinde Chuva Inc. | Southern Drupal _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: On Visual Design Challenges, or Can you make it darker than that?On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Franz Glauber Vanderlinde <franz@...> wrote:
With that I mean: If they look different, then they are different. -- Franz Glauber Vanderlinde Chuva Inc. | Southern Drupal _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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"Forced" path redirect?Hi,
Need advice from "path" magician :) On the old site had content url path system wich is different from new one. Now found, that there are some valuable backlinks to the old and obsolete urls. Thought this is simple - install Path Redirect module and everything is solved, but: some of those old links have pretty similar structure to currently used views, and produce real (useless) pages when trying to access them. When I try to add path redirect - getting "You cannot create a redirect from a currently valid path." error. Is there a way to do some kind of "forced" redirect? In Drupal 6 way preferably... Thank you. _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?Hi Audrius,
You can add individual aliases — more than one per page, if you'd like — from the path module (admin/build/path). That'll ensure that the old URLs, assuming you still have them on hand, will get users to the new locations. Best, Fureigh --- fureigh.com 347.469.0925 fureigh on twitter and drupal.org On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Audrius Naslenas <audrius.naslenas@...> wrote: Hi, _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?Yes, but then there will be duplicate content. I am still
hoping to fit some kind of 301 redirect
solution. From: consulting-bounces@... [mailto:consulting-bounces@...] On Behalf Of dylan fureigh Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers Subject: Re: [consulting] "Forced" path redirect? You can add individual aliases — more than one per page, if you'd like — from the path module (admin/build/path). That'll ensure that the old URLs, assuming you still have them on hand, will get users to the new locations. Best, Fureigh --- fureigh.com 347.469.0925 fureigh on twitter and drupal.org On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Audrius Naslenas <audrius.naslenas@...>
wrote: Hi, _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?No duplicate content if you also use Global Redirect module.
-Matt Audrius Naslenas wrote: > Yes, but then there will be duplicate content. I am still hoping to > fit some kind of 301 redirect solution. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* consulting-bounces@... > [mailto:consulting-bounces@...] *On Behalf Of *dylan fureigh > *Sent:* Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:17 PM > *To:* A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers > *Subject:* Re: [consulting] "Forced" path redirect? > > Hi Audrius, > > You can add individual aliases — more than one per page, if you'd like > — from the path module (admin/build/path). That'll ensure that the old > URLs, assuming you still have them on hand, will get users to the new > locations. > > Best, > Fureigh > > --- > fureigh.com <http://fureigh.com> > 347.469.0925 > fureigh on twitter and drupal.org <http://drupal.org> > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Audrius Naslenas > <audrius.naslenas@... <mailto:audrius.naslenas@...>> wrote: > > Hi, > > Need advice from "path" magician :) > > On the old site had content url path system wich is different from > new one. > Now found, that there are some valuable backlinks to the old and > obsolete > urls. Thought this is simple - install Path Redirect module and > everything > is solved, but: some of those old links have pretty similar > structure to > currently used views, and produce real (useless) pages when trying > to access > them. When I try to add path redirect - getting "You cannot create a > redirect from a currently valid path." error. > > Is there a way to do some kind of "forced" redirect? In Drupal 6 way > preferably... > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... <mailto:consulting@...> > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?So, if I have node with more than one path alias, how global_redirect will
understand which one is "the best" one? P.s. global_redirect is causing infinite loop on that site - but this is another case. -----Original Message----- From: consulting-bounces@... [mailto:consulting-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Matt Chapman Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:04 PM To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers Subject: Re: [consulting] "Forced" path redirect? No duplicate content if you also use Global Redirect module. -Matt Audrius Naslenas wrote: > Yes, but then there will be duplicate content. I am still hoping to > fit some kind of 301 redirect solution. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* consulting-bounces@... > [mailto:consulting-bounces@...] *On Behalf Of *dylan fureigh > *Sent:* Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:17 PM > *To:* A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting > providers > *Subject:* Re: [consulting] "Forced" path redirect? > > Hi Audrius, > > You can add individual aliases - more than one per page, if you'd like > - from the path module (admin/build/path). That'll ensure that the old > URLs, assuming you still have them on hand, will get users to the new > locations. > > Best, > Fureigh > > --- > fureigh.com <http://fureigh.com> > 347.469.0925 > fureigh on twitter and drupal.org <http://drupal.org> > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Audrius Naslenas > <audrius.naslenas@... <mailto:audrius.naslenas@...>> wrote: > > Hi, > > Need advice from "path" magician :) > > On the old site had content url path system wich is different from > new one. > Now found, that there are some valuable backlinks to the old and > obsolete > urls. Thought this is simple - install Path Redirect module and > everything > is solved, but: some of those old links have pretty similar > structure to > currently used views, and produce real (useless) pages when trying > to access > them. When I try to add path redirect - getting "You cannot create a > redirect from a currently valid path." error. > > Is there a way to do some kind of "forced" redirect? In Drupal 6 way > preferably... > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... <mailto:consulting@...> > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?I don't think the core alias system solves this, whether alone or in
combination with global redirect. I suggest you file an issue with path_redirect to get an option on the administration form that lets you override this restriction. In the short term you can also use Path redirects API or do direct inserts into the database. Regards, Greg On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Audrius Naslenas <audrius.naslenas@...> wrote: > So, if I have node with more than one path alias, how global_redirect will > understand which one is "the best" one? > > P.s. global_redirect is causing infinite loop on that site - but this is > another case. > > -----Original Message----- > From: consulting-bounces@... [mailto:consulting-bounces@...] > On Behalf Of Matt Chapman > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:04 PM > To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers > Subject: Re: [consulting] "Forced" path redirect? > > No duplicate content if you also use Global Redirect module. > > -Matt > > > Audrius Naslenas wrote: >> Yes, but then there will be duplicate content. I am still hoping to >> fit some kind of 301 redirect solution. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> *From:* consulting-bounces@... >> [mailto:consulting-bounces@...] *On Behalf Of *dylan fureigh >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:17 PM >> *To:* A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting >> providers >> *Subject:* Re: [consulting] "Forced" path redirect? >> >> Hi Audrius, >> >> You can add individual aliases - more than one per page, if you'd like >> - from the path module (admin/build/path). That'll ensure that the old >> URLs, assuming you still have them on hand, will get users to the new >> locations. >> >> Best, >> Fureigh >> >> --- >> fureigh.com <http://fureigh.com> >> 347.469.0925 >> fureigh on twitter and drupal.org <http://drupal.org> >> >> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Audrius Naslenas >> <audrius.naslenas@... <mailto:audrius.naslenas@...>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Need advice from "path" magician :) >> >> On the old site had content url path system wich is different from >> new one. >> Now found, that there are some valuable backlinks to the old and >> obsolete >> urls. Thought this is simple - install Path Redirect module and >> everything >> is solved, but: some of those old links have pretty similar >> structure to >> currently used views, and produce real (useless) pages when trying >> to access >> them. When I try to add path redirect - getting "You cannot create a >> redirect from a currently valid path." error. >> >> Is there a way to do some kind of "forced" redirect? In Drupal 6 way >> preferably... >> >> Thank you. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> consulting mailing list >> consulting@... <mailto:consulting@...> >> http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> consulting mailing list >> consulting@... >> http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting >> > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > -- Greg Knaddison | 303-800-5623 | http://growingventuresolutions.com Cracking Drupal - Learn to protect your Drupal site from hackers Now available from Wiley http://crackingdrupal.com _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?Maintainer of path_redirect here,
I agree that allowing people to override the 'existing path or alias' check seems like a useful feature for a few people. Please file an issue. Dave Reid dave@... On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Greg Knaddison <greg.knaddison@...> wrote: I don't think the core alias system solves this, whether alone or in _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?done.
From: consulting-bounces@... [mailto:consulting-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dave Reid Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:07 PM To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers Subject: Re: [consulting] "Forced" path redirect? I agree that allowing people to override the 'existing path or alias' check seems like a useful feature for a few people. Please file an issue. Dave Reid dave@... On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Greg Knaddison <greg.knaddison@...>
wrote: I don't think the core alias system solves this, whether alone or in _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?Hi,
I am not sure if the list will accept attachments, one way to find out. Attached is a module I wrote for drupal 5 to do just this. Create menu items for bookmarks and hyperlinks from other sites, for old site content, to map to new content locations. It does not use aliases it actually creates the new MENU_CALLBACK menu items and redirects to the new content. No hassles with duplicate urls or them being retrieved by search engine bots. If this is something that will be useful to others, let me know and I will create it as a contrib project and port to D6. -- Nick Lombard contact #: +27 82 413 9931 jabber id: nick@... skype id: nickl_ footprint: www.jigsoft.co.za On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Audrius Naslenas <audrius.naslenas@...> wrote: Hi, _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?In Drupal 6 this would have scalability problems due to the way menu
items are stored/retrieved. I think the solution that path_redirect takes is functionally the same and more scalable. Regards, Greg On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Nick Lombard <nick@...> wrote: > Hi, > > I am not sure if the list will accept attachments, one way to find out. > > Attached is a module I wrote for drupal 5 to do just this. Create menu items > for bookmarks and hyperlinks from other sites, for old site content, to map > to new content locations. It does not use aliases it actually creates the > new MENU_CALLBACK menu items and redirects to the new content. No hassles > with duplicate urls or them being retrieved by search engine bots. > > If this is something that will be useful to others, let me know and I will > create it as a contrib project and port to D6. > > -- > Nick Lombard > contact #: +27 82 413 9931 > jabber id: nick@... > skype id: nickl_ > footprint: www.jigsoft.co.za > > > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Audrius Naslenas > <audrius.naslenas@...> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Need advice from "path" magician :) >> >> On the old site had content url path system wich is different from new >> one. >> Now found, that there are some valuable backlinks to the old and obsolete >> urls. Thought this is simple - install Path Redirect module and everything >> is solved, but: some of those old links have pretty similar structure to >> currently used views, and produce real (useless) pages when trying to >> access >> them. When I try to add path redirect - getting "You cannot create a >> redirect from a currently valid path." error. >> >> Is there a way to do some kind of "forced" redirect? In Drupal 6 way >> preferably... >> >> Thank you. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> consulting mailing list >> consulting@... >> http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > consulting mailing list > consulting@... > http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting > > -- Greg Knaddison | 303-800-5623 | http://growingventuresolutions.com Cracking Drupal - Learn to protect your Drupal site from hackers Now available from Wiley http://crackingdrupal.com _______________________________________________ consulting mailing list consulting@... http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting |
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Re: "Forced" path redirect?On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Greg Knaddison <greg.knaddison@...> wrote: In Drupal 6 this would have scalability problems due to the way menu I agree if we take the same approach as with the no-cache drupal 5 version, but for drupal 6 menu system we can still make this solution viable. The bookmarks are configured via a settings form and when saved we can update and refresh the menu cache once only. But ymmv! Nick Lombard contact #: +27 82 413 9931 jabber id: nick@... skype id: nickl_ footprint: www.jigsoft.co.za
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