One ticket per week?

[dotancohen]

I have been following OpenSync development for about two years, hoping
to have sync between my Nokia 6288 and KDE-PIM (specifically,
Kaddressbook and Korganizer, the contacts and calendar components).
However, it seems that the rate of progress stands at about one issue
closed per week (http://www.opensync.org/roadmap?show=all), and at
that rate 0.41 ("Completing this milestone will lift the distribution
packaging ban.") will be ready in around August 2010. So in the most
troll-free and understanding manner, I ask the community what I, as a
user, can do to get my contacts on the phone in a stable, non-hacky
manner. Should I switch to Windows / Outlook / Nokia's sync suite?
Should I donate $20 to the Opensync project? Should I learn to program
and fix it myself?

I appreciate the dev's work and I am _not_ complaining. I am only
asking because I have been waiting for a long time and it does not
look like the wait is going to end anytime soon. There is no need to
be defensive, I understand the dimensions of the problems being solved
by the devs and I am very grateful for their work.

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[Gerd Bavendiek]

Dotan,

I really share your thoughts. Like others I'd pay for a working sync
software after having spent a lot of hours configuring and testing
opensync versions - without success.

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> I have been following OpenSync development for about two years, hoping
> to have sync between my Nokia 6288 and KDE-PIM (specifically,
> Kaddressbook and Korganizer, the contacts and calendar components).
> However, it seems that the rate of progress stands at about one issue
> closed per week (http://www.opensync.org/roadmap?show=all), and at
> that rate 0.41 ("Completing this milestone will lift the distribution
> packaging ban.") will be ready in around August 2010. So in the most
> troll-free and understanding manner, I ask the community what I, as a
> user, can do to get my contacts on the phone in a stable, non-hacky
> manner. Should I switch to Windows / Outlook / Nokia's sync suite?
> Should I donate $20 to the Opensync project? Should I learn to program
> and fix it myself?
>
> I appreciate the dev's work and I am _not_ complaining. I am only
> asking because I have been waiting for a long time and it does not
> look like the wait is going to end anytime soon. There is no need to
> be defensive, I understand the dimensions of the problems being solved
> by the devs and I am very grateful for their work.
>

Kind regards

Gerd

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[Bjšoern Ricks-2]

Hi Dotan,

the biggest problem of opensync is that the project is lacking of
developers. Currently there are only a few guys (summarized maybe 2.5
people) which are working on the core to get a new release and no one of
us has much free time to spend on hacking. I started to work on opensync
more than one year ago and can't say that I understand all parts.
Therefore I am not able to fix all kind of tickets (i.e.
http://www.opensync.org/ticket/1084) and rely on Daniels knowledge.
Daniel is the only one who (nearly) knows the complete code and has an
overview of all problems. But recently he started a new job and I guess
that's the reason (besides the nice weather ;-) ) why the development
stagnates again.

Many many people are asking why opensync isn't ready and it really
s***ks to me too that we don't have a stable version yet. But also
nobody appears who is able to take a look at the code and make some
patches. THAT would be really helpful. I don't think that money is going
to speed up the development (except you are able to pay for a developer
;-) ) I have a job beside opensync and therefore I have to find some
rare time to spend on it. Money wouldn't make a difference to me.

So if you are willing to work on opensync maybe you can try to look at
the code. Start to write some patches for the trivial tickets
https://www.opensync.org/report/13 or write/improve a plugin to
understand the behaviour of opensync. This ticket
https://www.opensync.org/ticket/972 could also be a good starting point.
Feel free to ask on the mailing list if you have additional questions.

Btw. not all tickets need much work. There are a lot of tickets which
are invalid already or can be fixed in some mins. But currently we have
to focus on the blockers for 0.39.

> I have been following OpenSync development for about two years, hoping
> to have sync between my Nokia 6288 and KDE-PIM (specifically,
> Kaddressbook and Korganizer, the contacts and calendar components).
> However, it seems that the rate of progress stands at about one issue
> closed per week (http://www.opensync.org/roadmap?show=all), and at
> that rate 0.41 ("Completing this milestone will lift the distribution
> packaging ban.") will be ready in around August 2010. So in the most
> troll-free and understanding manner, I ask the community what I, as a
> user, can do to get my contacts on the phone in a stable, non-hacky
> manner. Should I switch to Windows / Outlook / Nokia's sync suite?
> Should I donate $20 to the Opensync project? Should I learn to program
> and fix it myself?
>
> I appreciate the dev's work and I am _not_ complaining. I am only
> asking because I have been waiting for a long time and it does not
> look like the wait is going to end anytime soon. There is no need to
> be defensive, I understand the dimensions of the problems being solved
> by the devs and I am very grateful for their work.
>
>  

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[Chris Frey-2]

I'm not a primary developer, just a bugfix committer and the Barry
plugin maintainer, but some thoughts...


On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 06:03:32PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> However, it seems that the rate of progress stands at about one issue
> closed per week (http://www.opensync.org/roadmap?show=all), and at
> that rate 0.41 ("Completing this milestone will lift the distribution
> packaging ban.") will be ready in around August 2010.

Nice analysis :-)

> So in the most
> troll-free and understanding manner, I ask the community what I, as a
> user, can do to get my contacts on the phone in a stable, non-hacky
> manner.

> Should I switch to Windows / Outlook / Nokia's sync suite?

This will likely get the job done the fastest for you.


> Should I donate $20 to the Opensync project?

While any donations are likely welcome (I can't speak on opensync's behalf),
in practical and honest terms, $20 won't go far, and likely won't
bring you the results you desire.


> Should I learn to program and fix it myself?

If opensync is your favourite solution, this _will_ help... but honestly,
if you've never programmed before, that estimated 2010 date of yours
might not move much. :-)

When 0.40 is released, testing will be needed.  I don't know if you've
built 0.3x from sources and tested, but 0.40 will be the prime time to
do so, and you don't have to be a programmer for that.  You just need
to be determined.  Don't wait for binary packages, and plan on hitting
roadblocks that will take persistence to solve, and you'll be ok.

Fortunately, I suspect that you won't have to wait until 2010
for version 0.40.

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[dotancohen]

> the biggest problem of opensync is that the project is lacking of
> developers. Currently there are only a few guys (summarized maybe 2.5
> people) which are working on the core to get a new release and no one of
> us has much free time to spend on hacking. I started to work on opensync
> more than one year ago and can't say that I understand all parts.
> Therefore I am not able to fix all kind of tickets (i.e.
> http://www.opensync.org/ticket/1084) and rely on Daniels knowledge.
> Daniel is the only one who (nearly) knows the complete code and has an
> overview of all problems. But recently he started a new job and I guess
> that's the reason (besides the nice weather ;-) ) why the development
> stagnates again.
>
> Many many people are asking why opensync isn't ready and it really
> s***ks to me too that we don't have a stable version yet. But also
> nobody appears who is able to take a look at the code and make some
> patches. THAT would be really helpful. I don't think that money is going
> to speed up the development (except you are able to pay for a developer
> ;-) ) I have a job beside opensync and therefore I have to find some
> rare time to spend on it. Money wouldn't make a difference to me.
>
> So if you are willing to work on opensync maybe you can try to look at
> the code. Start to write some patches for the trivial tickets
> https://www.opensync.org/report/13 or write/improve a plugin to
> understand the behaviour of opensync. This ticket
> https://www.opensync.org/ticket/972 could also be a good starting point.
> Feel free to ask on the mailing list if you have additional questions.
>
> Btw. not all tickets need much work. There are a lot of tickets which
> are invalid already or can be fixed in some mins. But currently we have
> to focus on the blockers for 0.39.

I see, thanks Bjoern. Other than a single C course, I know nothing of
coding, and it would be far after August 2010 before I finish a CS
degree! Your efforts are appreciated, make no mistake, and I know that
"real life" often gets in the way of the things that we would like to
be doing.

I will quietly go back to the Redmond-based system that I had
previously (abandoned three and a half years ago), as that worked fine
for syncing my contacts and calendar with my phones. KDE-PIM is great,
but it needs to be complete with working syncing first.

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[Philip Trickett (List)]

On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 13:34 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I will quietly go back to the Redmond-based system that I had
> previously (abandoned three and a half years ago), as that worked fine
> for syncing my contacts and calendar with my phones. KDE-PIM is great,
> but it needs to be complete with working syncing first.
>

Well, I use a couple of methods here for syncing my E71 with Evolution
on my desktop:

1. I use egroupware: www.egroupware.org as a syncml server to sync
between my phone and evolution

2. I also use mobical.net which I mainly have as an independent backup
of the phone, and it can also sync text messages as well.

I am just mentioning this as there are alternatives that are not windows
based.

If you use thunderbird and lighning, the sync options with egroupware
are easier, as well as mobical.

I have been keeping an eye on opensync, ever since I used multisync a
few years ago, but it stopped working a while ago, and I just don't have
the time to debug.

It is a great project though, and I think it will develop, and when I
get the time I will be debugging and submitting reports.

HTH,

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[Chris Carr-3]

On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 06:08 -0400, Chris Frey wrote:
> I'm not a primary developer, just a bugfix committer and the Barry
> plugin maintainer, but some thoughts...

I'm not even one of those - just someone who thinks that an extensible,
open source sync suite is one of the most important things currently
missing from the world of free software.

> > Should I switch to Windows / Outlook / Nokia's sync suite?
>
> This will likely get the job done the fastest for you.

But it will not move any of us closer to the above goal. I have used the
Nokia suite for my E90, and it's extremely poor, not to mention hugely
bloated. It's the usual story: it's written to work on one OS and to
sync with one vendor's software, and it doesn't even do that very well.

> > Should I learn to program and fix it myself?
>
> If opensync is your favourite solution, this _will_ help... but honestly,
> if you've never programmed before, that estimated 2010 date of yours
> might not move much. :-)

But every little helps. I am not much of a programmer at all, but I've
recently re-learned a little after a 20-year gap. Everybody recommends
the original book "The C Programming Language" by Kernighan & Ritchie,
but I have to say that I found it too sparse for my learning style. I
bought "The C All-in-one Desk Reference For Dummies", and I've found it
really helpful. (There is plain old "C For Dummies" too, but that
doesn't have as much stuff in it.)

(I've just seen Dotan's latest response about going back to Windows - I
just want to say that you don't have to have a CS degree to be able to
contribute meaningfully to open source projects. I was inspired by
Bjoern's response, and I plan to have a look at some of the trivial
tickets as soon as I can.)

> When 0.40 is released, testing will be needed.  I don't know if you've
> built 0.3x from sources and tested, but 0.40 will be the prime time to
> do so, and you don't have to be a programmer for that.  You just need
> to be determined.  Don't wait for binary packages, and plan on hitting
> roadblocks that will take persistence to solve, and you'll be ok.
>
> Fortunately, I suspect that you won't have to wait until 2010
> for version 0.40.

This is good too. Everyone who cannot contribute patches can and should
contribute test results and bug reports.

Regards,

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[dotancohen]

> Well, I use a couple of methods here for syncing my E71 with Evolution
> on my desktop:
>

Thanks, Phil. I did have an E71 some time ago, but I quickly went back
to the non-Symbian 6288 for performance reasons. As the 6288 is a much
more responsive device and neither would sync with KDEPIM, it was a no
brainer.



> 1. I use egroupware: www.egroupware.org as a syncml server to sync
> between my phone and evolution
>

This looks to be overly complex and expensive. I do not need web
access, and 100 Euro setup fee + 30 Euros per month is steep.



> 2. I also use mobical.net which I mainly have as an independent backup
> of the phone, and it can also sync text messages as well.
>

Can this be used for syncing? The webpage is rather vague on the
subject, though as they claim to support "multiple devices" it
_should_ technically be possible.

> I am just mentioning this as there are alternatives that are not windows
> based.
>

If anyone knows of other alternatives, I am all ears (eyes).



> If you use thunderbird and lighning, the sync options with egroupware
> are easier, as well as mobical.
>

I do not use those products.

> I have been keeping an eye on opensync, ever since I used multisync a
> few years ago, but it stopped working a while ago, and I just don't have
> the time to debug.
>
> It is a great project though, and I think it will develop, and when I
> get the time I will be debugging and submitting reports.
>


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[Philip Trickett (List)]

On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 14:37 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> > Well, I use a couple of methods here for syncing my E71 with Evolution
> > on my desktop:
> >
>
> Thanks, Phil. I did have an E71 some time ago, but I quickly went back
> to the non-Symbian 6288 for performance reasons. As the 6288 is a much
> more responsive device and neither would sync with KDEPIM, it was a no
> brainer.
>
>
>
> > 1. I use egroupware: www.egroupware.org as a syncml server to sync
> > between my phone and evolution
> >
>
> This looks to be overly complex and expensive. I do not need web
> access, and 100 Euro setup fee + 30 Euros per month is steep.
>

Hi Dotan, I neglected to mention you can install it locally, it works
well in my work environment.
>
>
> > 2. I also use mobical.net which I mainly have as an independent backup
> > of the phone, and it can also sync text messages as well.
> >
>
> Can this be used for syncing? The webpage is rather vague on the
> subject, though as they claim to support "multiple devices" it
> _should_ technically be possible.

Yes it can.

They support syncml 1.1 and 1.2, so if you have a client that suports it
they should work fine.

Also:
>From the FAQ:

Can I export my Mobical data?

There is an export button at the top of the contacts and the
appointments view. Mobical exports all contacts in one vCard 2.1
(contacts.vcf) file and all appointments in one vCalendar 1.0
(appointments.vcs) file. You can also acquire your appointments in the
iCalendar 2.0 (ics.ics) format from https://www.mobical.net/mobical/ics
using your Mobical username and password.



>
> > I am just mentioning this as there are alternatives that are not windows
> > based.
> >
>
> If anyone knows of other alternatives, I am all ears (eyes).
>
>
Same here

>
> > If you use thunderbird and lighning, the sync options with egroupware
> > are easier, as well as mobical.
> >
>
> I do not use those products.
>
> > I have been keeping an eye on opensync, ever since I used multisync a
> > few years ago, but it stopped working a while ago, and I just don't have
> > the time to debug.
> >
> > It is a great project though, and I think it will develop, and when I
> > get the time I will be debugging and submitting reports.
> >
>
>

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> (I've just seen Dotan's latest response about going back to Windows - I
> just want to say that you don't have to have a CS degree to be able to
> contribute meaningfully to open source projects. I was inspired by
> Bjoern's response, and I plan to have a look at some of the trivial
> tickets as soon as I can.)
>

I certainly will not go back to Windows for everyday computing, but if
seems that setting up a VMware virtual machine, exporting my KDEPIM
data to Outlook, then from Outlook to the Nokia suite, then from the
Nokia suite to the phone is easier than setting up OpenSync for the
foreseeable future. Again, this is not a stab at the devs, whom I
appreciate very much, but it is the reality of the situation. The only
problem is that my Windows license covers a machine that I no longer
use, and it seems that the license is not transferable. So that means
either forking out $$$ for a Windows license (Can XP be bought any
more?) or using pirated software. Neither option seems appealing to
me.

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> (I've just seen Dotan's latest response about going back to Windows - I
> just want to say that you don't have to have a CS degree to be able to
> contribute meaningfully to open source projects. I was inspired by
> Bjoern's response, and I plan to have a look at some of the trivial
> tickets as soon as I can.)
>

I certainly will not go back to Windows for everyday computing, but if
seems that setting up a VMware virtual machine, exporting my KDEPIM
data to Outlook, then from Outlook to the Nokia suite, then from the
Nokia suite to the phone is easier than setting up OpenSync for the
foreseeable future. Again, this is not a stab at the devs, whom I
appreciate very much, but it is the reality of the situation. The only
problem is that my Windows license covers a machine that I no longer
use, and it seems that the license is not transferable. So that means
either forking out $$$ for a Windows license (Can XP be bought any
more?) or using pirated software. Neither option seems appealing to
me.

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[dotancohen]

>> Can this be used for syncing? The webpage is rather vague on the
>> subject, though as they claim to support "multiple devices" it
>> _should_ technically be possible.
>
> Yes it can.
>
> They support syncml 1.1 and 1.2, so if you have a client that suports it
> they should work fine.
>
> Also:
> >From the FAQ:
>
> Can I export my Mobical data?
>
> There is an export button at the top of the contacts and the
> appointments view. Mobical exports all contacts in one vCard 2.1
> (contacts.vcf) file and all appointments in one vCalendar 1.0
> (appointments.vcs) file. You can also acquire your appointments in the
> iCalendar 2.0 (ics.ics) format from https://www.mobical.net/mobical/ics
> using your Mobical username and password.
>

My issue is just the opposite: I want my data to go one way from
KDEPIM to the phone. It appears that I could import vcard and
vcalendar files that KDEPIM creates, but that means manually updating
the entire contacts / calendar list any time there is a change. That
would be several times per week.

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A Dimecres, 22 d'abril de 2009 20:08:06, Dotan Cohen va escriure:
> >> Can this be used for syncing? The webpage is rather vague on the
> >> subject, though as they claim to support "multiple devices" it
> >> _should_ technically be possible.
> >
> > Yes it can.
> >
> > They support syncml 1.1 and 1.2, so if you have a client that suports it
> > they should work fine.
> >
> > Also:
> > >From the FAQ:
> >
> > Can I export my Mobical data?
> >
> > There is an export button at the top of the contacts and the
> > appointments view. Mobical exports all contacts in one vCard 2.1
> > (contacts.vcf) file and all appointments in one vCalendar 1.0
> > (appointments.vcs) file. You can also acquire your appointments in the
> > iCalendar 2.0 (ics.ics) format from https://www.mobical.net/mobical/ics
> > using your Mobical username and password.
>
> My issue is just the opposite: I want my data to go one way from
> KDEPIM to the phone. It appears that I could import vcard and
> vcalendar files that KDEPIM creates, but that means manually updating
> the entire contacts / calendar list any time there is a change. That
> would be several times per week.

Well, i know another alternative, which i've been using for a while, and it really works very nice even with kdepim.

It's scheduleworld

I don't know egroupware, but it seems a similar solution - and for free.
It's mainly focused to evolution, thunderbird, MS outlook and to syncML clients, but with a careful setup of korganizer, kontact and syncevolution you can get them to work properly. A more detailed explanation on how to achieve it is explained in scheduleworld's wiki, and it has also a veru nice support forum.

It also features a web-based imap client...

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[dotancohen]

> Well, i know another alternative, which i've been using for a while, and it
> really works very nice even with kdepim.
>
> It's scheduleworld
>
> I don't know egroupware, but it seems a similar solution - and for free.
> It's mainly focused to evolution, thunderbird, MS outlook and to syncML
> clients, but with a careful setup of korganizer, kontact and syncevolution
> you can get them to work properly. A more detailed explanation on how to
> achieve it is explained in scheduleworld's wiki, and it has also a veru nice
> support forum.
>
> It also features a web-based imap client...

Thanks. The KDE 4 sync method seems buggy but workable, here is the
page describing it:
http://wiki.scheduleworld.com/wiki/Linux_KDE_4_Configuration

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[Jason Grant-7]

On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 18:03 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I have been following OpenSync development for about two years, hoping
...
> asking because I have been waiting for a long time and it does not
> look like the wait is going to end anytime soon.

Thanks for raising this thread - it echoes my own perception of this
project, and I think it is useful for the developers to get a feel for
the user's experiences and perceptions.

I have spent many hours compiling/configuring/troubleshooting (from a
user's perspective) over the years with a number of mainstream phones,
and have never been able to get reliable sync'ing across contacts, notes
& todos.  I note that Fedora have recently attempted downgrades
including 0.38 and 0.36, and have now reverted to 0.22 with observations
on their devel list that plugins are unusable.

My sense of the project is that howtos, configuration guides, functional
status reports, design documentation, and functional stability have been
of a lower priority than internal re-architectures, changes to build
systems, new configuration formats, etc.  (Apologies if I'm off-target)
My point is that investment in documentation and stability on a reduced
plugin set would IMO pay-off rather quickly because it would reduce the
perceived barrier of entry for use, testing, and development.  Folk like
me would no longer need to reverse-engineer to figure things out, and
you'd attract more people who aren't prepared to reverse-engineer or
await responses on the mailing list.

I'm also tracking the scheduleworld alternative because it permits
sync'ing over bluetooth, and sits on the funambool stack, which seems to
be very mature and reliable.  syncevolution allows me to keep the phone
and evolution in sync.

I have had trouble with the older firefox plugins:

http://www.scheduleworld.com/jforum/posts/list/2200.page

and alas scheduleworld is closed source, so there is no scope to team up
on the code, although Mark is very responsive in his forum.

I note that a new edition of the firefox plugin has been released
recently that may work better, although I have not tried it yet:

http://www.scheduleworld.com/jforum/posts/list/1605.page

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[Bjšoern Ricks-2]

> I have spent many hours compiling/configuring/troubleshooting (from a
> user's perspective) over the years with a number of mainstream phones,
> and have never been able to get reliable sync'ing across contacts, notes
> & todos.  I note that Fedora have recently attempted downgrades
> including 0.38 and 0.36, and have now reverted to 0.22 with observations
> on their devel list that plugins are unusable.
>  
That's another topic which got most developers/members of opensync very
frustrated. All 0.3x versions shouldn't have been incuded in a distro.

> My sense of the project is that howtos, configuration guides, functional
> status reports, design documentation, and functional stability have been
> of a lower priority than internal re-architectures, changes to build
> systems, new configuration formats, etc.  (Apologies if I'm off-target)
> My point is that investment in documentation and stability on a reduced
> plugin set would IMO pay-off rather quickly because it would reduce the
> perceived barrier of entry for use, testing, and development.  Folk like
> me would no longer need to reverse-engineer to figure things out, and
> you'd attract more people who aren't prepared to reverse-engineer or
> await responses on the mailing list.
>

I am not sure if you read my previous mail in this thread therefore I'll
make some comments.

First the architecture of the stable version (0.22) isn't suitable for
all needs therefore a rewrite of the engine was necessary in the past.
That decision was taken before I started to hack on opensync. The
development branch (0.3X) was intended "for developers and testers only
and may not even compile or are likely to contain severe bugs" (quote
from opensync.org). But the dev branch is coming closer to his end. The
next release 0.39 will have a stable api and will be some kind of beta
version.

Second we are aware of these problems and AGAIN we are really lacking of
developers. We know the shortcomings of this (horrible long) development
branch and the always changing api. We know that we have lost a lot of
people on this journey. But we are trying really hard to get all
remaining tickets fixed and release a new stable version. But mind that
I don't have (and I guess also Daniel hasn't) much free time to work on
opensync.

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> First the architecture of the stable version (0.22) isn't suitable for
> all needs therefore a rewrite of the engine was necessary in the past.
> That decision was taken before I started to hack on opensync. The
> development branch (0.3X) was intended "for developers and testers only
> and may not even compile or are likely to contain severe bugs" (quote
> from opensync.org). But the dev branch is coming closer to his end. The
> next release 0.39 will have a stable api and will be some kind of beta
> version.
>

As we have seen with KDE 4.0 and 4.1, distros generally don't care if
the developers say "not for end users", they will push out the latest
unready code regardless.

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[Jelle de Jong]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

> I have been following OpenSync development for about two years, hoping
> to have sync between my Nokia 6288 and KDE-PIM (specifically,
> Kaddressbook and Korganizer, the contacts and calendar components).
> However, it seems that the rate of progress stands at about one issue
> closed per week (http://www.opensync.org/roadmap?show=all), and at
> that rate 0.41 ("Completing this milestone will lift the distribution
> packaging ban.") will be ready in around August 2010. So in the most
> troll-free and understanding manner, I ask the community what I, as a
> user, can do to get my contacts on the phone in a stable, non-hacky
> manner. Should I switch to Windows / Outlook / Nokia's sync suite?
> Should I donate $20 to the Opensync project? Should I learn to program
> and fix it myself?
>
> I appreciate the dev's work and I am _not_ complaining. I am only
> asking because I have been waiting for a long time and it does not
> look like the wait is going to end anytime soon. There is no need to
> be defensive, I understand the dimensions of the problems being solved
> by the devs and I am very grateful for their work.
>

I can stand behind this, i created several bug reports, i want a solution
that my syncml based telephones can sync trough bluetooth with a server
that uses open standards. The desktops has the settings to connect to the
server and the communicate with the telephone.

I am willing to donate money or hire an developer I can probably get a
some other organizations to sponsor too.

Is there any developer or dutch contributer that want to step up?

bug5:
 i would like to set a bounty or hire an developer to fix, improve and
innovate
 http://www.opensync.org/ticket/1073
bug1:
 create a syncml-ldap plugin that can sync contacts with a remote server
 http://www.opensync.org/ticket/1069
bug2:
 create a syncml-caldav plugin that can sync calenders with a remote server
 http://www.opensync.org/ticket/1070
bug3:
 create a syncml-imap plugin that can synchronize emails with a remote server
 http://www.opensync.org/ticket/1071
bug4:
 create a syncml-filters plugin that can synchronize mailfilters with a
server
 http://www.opensync.org/ticket/1072

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[Daniel Gollub-3]

Hi everyone,

On Tuesday 21 April 2009 05:03:32 pm Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I have been following OpenSync development for about two years, hoping
> to have sync between my Nokia 6288 and KDE-PIM (specifically,
> Kaddressbook and Korganizer, the contacts and calendar components).
> However, it seems that the rate of progress stands at about one issue
> closed per week (http://www.opensync.org/roadmap?show=all), and at
> that rate 0.41 ("Completing this milestone will lift the distribution
> packaging ban.") will be ready in around August 2010.

Thanks for the analyse - sounds pretty scary ...

> So in the most
> troll-free and understanding manner, I ask the community what I, as a
> user, can do to get my contacts on the phone in a stable, non-hacky
> manner. Should I switch to Windows / Outlook / Nokia's sync suite?
> Should I donate $20 to the Opensync project? Should I learn to program
> and fix it myself?

Money is always a tricky thing - we definitely should setup a some donate
portal so we can support OpenSync developer to travel to meetings (which help
the development!). But i have some doubt that donation in this amount of money
really help to assign one developer full-time on OpenSync development ...
setting someone up on full-time to do a quick OpenSync sprint would help to
get things quickly done and released.

Anyway, actually i should spend time one fixing outstanding bugs - and
original thought about not starting here a discussion, but:

Any volunteer who could setup such donate portal for the OpenSync project?

Also with regards to other replies:
I completely agree with Björn and Chris - we lack on core developers which fix
outstanding issues which block 0.39 or 0.40 release.

For me things recently changed - last month i started with a new job at B1
Systems. I'm working now from home, not any longer from a office. (Which
requires lots of discipline to get actually things done). Of course i wasted
in the beginning lots of productive time - and didn't managed to contribute to
OpenSync at all in the last month. But i hope to get some things done today.

With regards, to the other replies: like hiring a developer:

If there are some serious request for (sponsored) project work i could try to
assign this to trusted OpenSync core-developers.

As you can see on my signature, I'm still with FOSS development. I'm allowed
to work full-time on OpenSync if I'm not assigned to a different project. The
next week(s) I'm already assigned to a project. Of course you can contact me
privately if you need to get a OpenSync based project done.

Best Regards,
Daniel

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[dotancohen]

>> I have been following OpenSync development for about two years, hoping
>> to have sync between my Nokia 6288 and KDE-PIM (specifically,
>> Kaddressbook and Korganizer, the contacts and calendar components).
>> However, it seems that the rate of progress stands at about one issue
>> closed per week (http://www.opensync.org/roadmap?show=all), and at
>> that rate 0.41 ("Completing this milestone will lift the distribution
>> packaging ban.") will be ready in around August 2010.
>
> Thanks for the analyse - sounds pretty scary ...
>
>> So in the most
>> troll-free and understanding manner, I ask the community what I, as a
>> user, can do to get my contacts on the phone in a stable, non-hacky
>> manner. Should I switch to Windows / Outlook / Nokia's sync suite?
>> Should I donate $20 to the Opensync project? Should I learn to program
>> and fix it myself?
>
> Money is always a tricky thing - we definitely should setup a some donate
> portal so we can support OpenSync developer to travel to meetings (which help
> the development!). But i have some doubt that donation in this amount of money
> really help to assign one developer full-time on OpenSync development ...
> setting someone up on full-time to do a quick OpenSync sprint would help to
> get things quickly done and released.
>
> Anyway, actually i should spend time one fixing outstanding bugs - and
> original thought about not starting here a discussion, but:
>
> Any volunteer who could setup such donate portal for the OpenSync project?
>
> Also with regards to other replies:
> I completely agree with Björn and Chris - we lack on core developers which fix
> outstanding issues which block 0.39 or 0.40 release.
>
> For me things recently changed - last month i started with a new job at B1
> Systems. I'm working now from home, not any longer from a office. (Which
> requires lots of discipline to get actually things done). Of course i wasted
> in the beginning lots of productive time - and didn't managed to contribute to
> OpenSync at all in the last month. But i hope to get some things done today.
>
> With regards, to the other replies: like hiring a developer:
>
> If there are some serious request for (sponsored) project work i could try to
> assign this to trusted OpenSync core-developers.
>
> As you can see on my signature, I'm still with FOSS development. I'm allowed
> to work full-time on OpenSync if I'm not assigned to a different project. The
> next week(s) I'm already assigned to a project. Of course you can contact me
> privately if you need to get a OpenSync based project done.
>
> Best Regards,
> Daniel
>

Thank you for your reply, Daniel. I did not mean to imply that $20
would be as payment for a developer, that would buy about 15 minutes
programming time tops! I would not insult the project nor the devs
like that. My intention was to show support and appreciation. I have
donated this same amount to Wine, individual devs, other random FOSS
projects that I use, and even KDE multiple times. Not as payment, but
as support and appreciation.

My intention is to donate $20 to the OpenSync project as soon as I
start using it. However, if donating now instead of then would help
spur development, then I'd gladly like to help get the ball rolling.

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